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Seriously considering canceling my Nexus 4 order now...

A couple weeks ago I hated this phone and couldn't get rid of it fast enough. But then Google fumbled the launch of the nexus 4 and I'm stuck waiting. I contemplated paying full price for a gs3,one x+, or optimus G, but $550 is just too much so I've been forced to try and like this phone, so what happened exactly?
#1. I realized since I got the ics update from day one I've been trying to break sense 3.6 and combine mods with it. Never did I ever really give it a chance so I decided to do just that. My old wcx 9/27 mod build was performing like crap, mainly Google now combined with my alterations so it was time to update, but this time I went for his pure stock build. The result is my phone is performing snappier than my Nexus 7, and I'm starting to like sense 3.6.
2. Can a case make you hate your phone? The answer is yes, yes it can. I shed the old otterbox commutter and I am currently going naked with a cheap tpu case on the way. It's a different phone without it. It's slim, sexy, and the screen is easier to touch on the sides. You couldn't beat the protection but it completely kills the asthetics and usability of the phone. For this reason I'm done with otterbox, sticking with clear tpu cases now, and only for grip reasons, otherwise I'd just go naked.
3. For once their is hope for this phone from a development prospective. CM is almost complete and these guys really have banded together to pull this off and I congratulate all of them. I definitely plan on donating at some point, just hard when my wife doesn't quite get that lol.
And then just other things like I'm certain that build quality of the vivid is better. Also I can live without lte, a removable battery, and sd slot but I'd prefer not too. Overall Google has just given me too much time to think.
I'm still keeping the order in now but my vivid will be kept around regardless. Overall we have a great phone here, just spent too much time trying to make it better instead of enjoying it
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I know exactly what you mean. I used CM as a daily driver a couple months ago, even though my carrier is AT&T and voice calling didn't work at that time.
Now that voice calling works, this phone has at least another year of life (maybe more?) left in it.
Lesson learned, though, I bought the Vivid a week after initial release. Now, I'm only buying phones after CM announces official support.

jh64dsb877r said:
I know exactly what you mean. I used CM as a daily driver a couple months ago, even though my carrier is AT&T and voice calling didn't work at that time.
Now that voice calling works, this phone has at least another year of life (maybe more?) left in it.
Lesson learned, though, I bought the Vivid a week after initial release. Now, I'm only buying phones after CM announces official support.
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It is nicer with official cm support but the devs here have done a great job with cm10 and the other jelly bean roms.

jh64dsb877r said:
I know exactly what you mean. I used CM as a daily driver a couple months ago, even though my carrier is AT&T and voice calling didn't work at that time.
Now that voice calling works, this phone has at least another year of life (maybe more?) left in it.
Lesson learned, though, I bought the Vivid a week after initial release. Now, I'm only buying phones after CM announces official support.
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Another year should be easy, hell I was using a Captivate to start the year with, a phone released in July of 2010.
I'm going to go through with my Nexus order, because I've always wanted one but unlike my Captivate, the vivid will be kept around for backup. Gonna have to find a nice sim adapter though because the nexus 4 uses micro sims
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Cor-master said:
Another year should be easy, hell I was using a Captivate to start the year with, a phone released in July of 2010.
I'm going to go through with my Nexus order, because I've always wanted one but unlike my Captivate, the vivid will be kept around for backup. Gonna have to find a nice sim adapter though because the nexus 4 uses micro sims
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cut your sim. not that hard( be VERY carful around the contacts though; said from expierience lol)

XxSHaDoWxSLaYeRxX said:
cut your sim. not that hard( be VERY carful around the contacts though; said from expierience lol)
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They sell punches cheap (http://www.amazon.com/CUTTER-ADAPTE...095855&sr=8-3&keywords=sim+to+micro+sim+punch)
That one even comes with some adapters

Anyone getting the One

Anyone going to switch from the vivid to the One? idk how i feel about htc after this phone, i mean its a great phone and all but htc bent us over and showed us the 50 states. thank god for the devs. But the phone looks awesome and its sleek as hell too.

I will be ordering one as soon as its available. 1080p display, 2gb ram, infrared behind the power button (I've missed that sooo much in my smart phones since my Treo).. I'm excited lol
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Wait about 2 months and HTC will probably come out with another revolutionary phone
What happened to the Droid DNA? The DNA has only been out for 3 months and HTC is already forgetting it.

I believe the answer is somewhere in the neighborhood of "When donkeys and pigs gain aerodynamic and sustained aerial motion" or the successful cloning of a flying Pigasus, whichever happens first... I'm tired of the 1 software upgrade and we're through with you mentality, the fact that you had to do a physical hardware short circuit to S-off and the point that the HTC One contains no easily changed battery, no place to put a microSD card...no, no..(clickty clacky keyboard noises) Computer says NO-o-o-o-o!

The DNA was released for Verizon only. All other major us carriers are getting the one, except verizon. HTC has already announced that 'the one' will be the only one series device in 2013. I understand everyone's setbacks. But I'm not passing up on a hardware beauty like this one. Not to mention it looks like every major dev team is planning on getting at least one. Check out the thread in the one general section to see who all is on board. Also everyone's favorite dev will have one too lol @jon
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I agree the specs and looks of the phone makes me drool.they are not releasing the one for Verizon cause of the dna
So I guess they haven't completely forgotten about their customers haha. But I do want the phone real bad. Also I'm curious to see since its the only flag ship they are releasing how often they keep it updated .
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Despite the incredibly large amount of times HTC pisses me off, I still plan on getting the HTC One as soon as I can afford it. I like the Vivid but The One looks like a phone I am actually willing to buy at the non-contract price

homeslice976 said:
I will be ordering one as soon as its available. 1080p display, 2gb ram, infrared behind the power button (I've missed that sooo much in my smart phones since my Treo).. I'm excited lol
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Wait.. this doesn't mean you will stop developing for the vivid, right?

The one actually is appealing though. And HTC is actually doing a good job marketing, unlike the vivid lol
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Nope...I'm going back to Samsung...gonna get me the sgs4 as soon as its released...I mean...its gonna blow everything out of the water and every dev team will have one guaranteed...not to mention how easy it is to root and flash rims on Samsung devices...no locked bootloader to deal with...no s off to deal with
I gave HTC a shot and I'm done with them :/ I hate having to unlock the bootloader...and s off - that's just stupid...they honestly make it so hard to customize your phone...heck it be easier to jailbreak an iPhone than get an HTC phone setup for Rom flashing, then you got the crappy source...and extra security measures...(in-call Mic issues for att users) - who's to say they won't do the same on the one....if the s off process is anything like the vivids...well good luck with that as I'm pretty sure the one doesn't have a removable battery /end rant
I guess you could call me a Samsung fan boy
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I won't pay retail for it but when my upgrade comes I'll get it.

My gf has one, and she loves it. I couldn't get it, though, because it doesn't have SD card expansion. I love my SD card way too much, so I got the Vivid instead. Couldn't be happier.

My one X is s-off a new method recently came out to do it, and it's nothing like the Vivid was cause I owned that to, never bothered to try s-off due to the stupid method.
HTC is doing a stupid move by removing microSD slots from their newer phones. We aren't babies, I'm tired of HTC treating us only a few years older then Apple does their users.
With all that being said, I'm not wasting hundreds and hundreds on a device that can't even include the basics like access to the battery and a MicroSD slot. This is day one **** HTC. I WON'T be getting a one, actually selling my HTC one X right now to switch brands. Sad sad thing.
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And here I am stuck on a contract for another year and 10 months...

Wolfhawke said:
I believe the answer is somewhere in the neighborhood of "When donkeys and pigs gain aerodynamic and sustained aerial motion" or the successful cloning of a flying Pigasus, whichever happens first... I'm tired of the 1 software upgrade and we're through with you mentality, the fact that you had to do a physical hardware short circuit to S-off and the point that the HTC One contains no easily changed battery, no place to put a microSD card...no, no..(clickty clacky keyboard noises) Computer says NO-o-o-o-o!
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Is that a Little Britain reference?
And no, I won't be getting the One. Nothing could ever convince me to buy another HTC product. I'll probably end up with a Galaxy S4.
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just saw this:
http://www.appy-geek.com/Web/ArticleMobile.aspx?regionid=3&articleid=7444208
are sim and bootloader unlocked the only differences? still no removable battery or sd :S
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Yea im pretty sure that the only difference, but the only issue i see is the non remove able batter, which for me isnt even an issue, i have insurance on all my phones ( just cause i know something goes wrong and i always get them switched out ..always on my 3rd vivid right now) So if the battery starts ****ing up new phone for me XD yeaaaa hahah

I'll get it the day it comes out:laugh:

90% Yes. Still debating getting the SGS4 or the possible Motorola NXT.

Tapatalk sucks recently...looks like HTC is trying to stop source builds...check out h8s post in the cm10 thread
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does anyone regret getting this phone?

I do a bit, it's not a bad phone. Just not many custom roms. I should of researched it before, but I know now lol. I should of spent the extra 100 and get the one X at the time. I will probably keep the phone and use it for 1 more year as my main phone, what about everyone else?
also thanks to homeslice for sense4 and the all the other devs that have supported this phone.:good:

I regret it a little as well becasue of the low amount of devolpment for the phone but Homeslice's Sense 4.1 rom makes it alright. Hope that there will be a 4.2 rom for it.

Yeah I regret it a little too. I remember standing in the store debating between the vivid or the skyrocket. I kind of wish I got the skyrocket....
But I only have another month and I can get a new phone...what to get???
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lil bit. i also wish i had bought the one x at the time i got mine. but im happy with what we have. even if its not much. big thanks to the devs. :good:

Yep, very much so.
I got it on launch day, but I was deciding between the regular SGS2 and the Raider. Going off of the presence of LTE, a friend's opinion of the DHD, and how solidly built that phone was, I decided to give HTC my business. A huge mistake. The build isn't holding up as well as the DHD's is (I have since bought my friend's DHD, as he upgraded to a SGS3, and use it as my DD), as I have noticeable bronzing of the volume and power buttons, along with the clear coat chipping off the plastic near said buttons. This is only after about 8 months (and no drops) of active DD use, not even the two years (and four drops) that the DHD has endured. Sense 3.x is also nowhere nearly as nice as Sense 2.1. Another huge issue is that the DHD can easily make a full day with moderate to heavy usage; my Raider's battery lasts 8 hours maximum, regardless of usage.

Yes I do. There was a decent development community before the dev wars and then they all went their separate ways leaving the Vivid to die. Some devs have their own sites but the reason I bought this phone was because of the hype behind it. First we had a locked bootloader, then s-off took months to achieve, then dev wars. I'll be MUCH more selective with what phone I will buy from now on as a result. Not buying right away and certainly not buying from ATT will be on my checklist from here on out. Homeslice and WC have done an excellent job keeping this device alive throughout the crisis. I love Sense but cannot justify buying HTC with all of the hoops you have to jump through to use the device the way you want to. Here's to hoping the next phone I buy will be friendlier.
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Got the phone, no I don't regret it mostly because of the LTE capability. At the time I was looking at the Raider, Atrix 2 and the Vivid. All things considered (like HTC/ATT's upgrade software once and forget you policy) I probably should have gone with the Atrix, but I was an HTC lover at the time (having had the original Tilt and Tilt 2).
Next phone however will not be an HTC. I don't like the HTC One XL (no SD storage) and being able to get the ability to flash a custom Rom is increasingly becoming a pain in the ass with HTC. Just my 2 cents.

Yeah I regret it even now. I've replaced both me and my wife's vivids with nexus 4s but we're still under contract for the things till next year. I wanted the one x, but got sick of waiting on an announcement for it so I was considering just a regular non lte gs2. A friend of mine said lte was awesome, so I looked at the skyrocket instead and it was $199, the vivid was $99 and had damn near identical specs so I went for it. Loved it initially but after about 2 or 3 months of terrible battery life I decided I was going to buy whatever nexus phone came out Christmas time.
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No I don't regret it.
I came from Garminfone where there's ZERO developer community to the Raider/Vivid. Whatever there is here is more than I had
LTE: I don't have a data plan anymore as of this morning. I did have unlimited LTE with Bell in Canada for 6 months, but did not use it enough to warrant $60/month for the data plan after the free 6th month. WiFi will have to suffice for the 2 years left in my contract.
The phone has been fun to play with, but feature wise, I've grown bored with it.

I don't regret getting this phone at all. There may have been phones at the time that had "better" hardware (the stock rom on the GS2 is super smooth) but the coders who work, or have worked, on the Vivid have done an absolutely amazing job.
Remember back when CM was just a pipe dream? Now it's functional (with a few kinks, but I'm confident the devs can figure that stuff out.)
I haven't tried many roms, but from what I've experienced they beat the stock rom by a nearly infinite amount.
HTC made a great phone with the Vivid. If you don't believe me, stop by xda in a few months and compare the current state of development with what you are witnessing. Eyes wide open, jaw dropped I'd imagine.

Let me share my experience that so far I have got with this phone.
My last phone was the HTCOX, and I believe the camera resolution was way more better than this one.
Unless I'm applying wrong settings, I don't see to get good pix. They are coming too pixelated.
What do you think?
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I don't regret getting the phone, it being my first android phone and all, I've loved using the phone. Sure there's not enough development going on for it but the developers that are actually doing things for this phone are doing great jobs. It is strongly built, the only body flaw is the bronzing of the volume keys and lock button. The hardware is still up to standard. All in all a decent phone
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I am very glad I got this phone. It has been solid, reliable and has done everything I've ever asked it to do. I was fortunate to fall in with WC early on as a vivid beta tester. I am currently running a beta ROM (might not be publicly released) from WC and it is incredible. Fast, stable and outstanding battery life.
I foresee this phone carrying me through for another two years at least.
This fall I will ditch my overpriced AT&T service plan and hook into either the T-Mo $30 plan or the Straight Talk $45 plan. The money I save will go toward a new unlocked phone down the road.

I really don't hate htc anymore. And that's why I regret that phone. Didn't look into the fine details, I seriously believed it to be HTCs flagship device on at&t. Nope, it was the budget friendly lte phone. It didn't make a big splash nor was it intended too, just a phone with a $99 price tag intended to sway holiday shoppers.
For every galaxy s that comes out, Samsung releases 200 crap models, and as for htc? The sensation was the flagship, the vivid was your Samsung Galaxy ace. Nuff said.
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That's exactly what happend to me. Best buy had this for for 0 dollars and on 3 year contract and plus and 100 gift card so I immediately bought it without much thought since it was my first android phone.
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The thing is that this was the flagship phone and was marketed as such. In SF there were billboards everywhere with this phone along with lte branding everywhere. It was being sold for 200 on contract for 3 weeks and because it didn't sell well they dropped the price to move more units. 3 months later the one X dropped and this phone faded into the sunset. I even wrote to HTC wondering why our phone was booted to the legacy section after 3 months and they gave me the runaround. The HTC M4 will likely release in another couple of months. And will be for a larger audience because of its smaller size. HTC never changed. They won't be wasting my time or getting my money any longer.
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I don't think it means much that it was on a billboard, I mean at&t is marketing the hell out of the HTC first right now, I wouldn't consider it a flagship by any means.
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Cor-master said:
I don't think it means much that it was on a billboard, I mean at&t is marketing the hell out of the HTC first right now, I wouldn't consider it a flagship by any means.
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It was all over the city and they had TV commercials all over the bay area for it as well. At the time, Verizon was the only carrier with an active LTE network and ATT needed this flagship phone, the first LTE phone, to get in the consumers hands. They handled the support for this phone poorly plain and simple.
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Yeah but wasn't the skyrocket released along side it? The lg nitro was right around the same time too. The nitro was the same price when I bought it but I wasn't sure I trusted LG. Go figure, now I'm using an LG, and love it.
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Yeah they both came out at about the same time. Looking forward to the next Nexus regardless though. LG has done well with their handsets
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[Q] Honestly, is the Vivid a "good" phone?

So here is the deal... I have been a Verizon customer for years, and I am just sick and tired of them jerking me around and upping their rates, taking away unlimited data, taking away early upgrades, etc. So I am thinking of jumping ship and going to Net10. I have also been a big HTC fan for a long time, currently using the HTC Rezound which seems to be roughly a slightly improved CDMA/LTE version of the Vivid. I can get a new, sealed in the box, unlocked HTC Vivid for about $200 on eBay.
So where I am going with this, knowing HTC has had quality models and, well, lets just say questionable models, how is the Vivid? Is it solid and relatively problem free? easy to unlock, S-OFF, root, ROM, return to stock, etc. Has anyone used this on Net10/StraightTalk?
So basically I am just looking for people's opinion of the phone in general, from a heavy phone users perspective... My other alternative's at this time are the Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket which I can get new for about $210, or just suck it up and grab a Nexus 4 from Google, although the $350+tax and shipping for the 16GB model would hurt, a lot, right now.
Thoughts?

acejavelin said:
So here is the deal... I have been a Verizon customer for years, and I am just sick and tired of them jerking me around and upping their rates, taking away unlimited data, taking away early upgrades, etc. So I am thinking of jumping ship and going to Net10. I have also been a big HTC fan for a long time, currently using the HTC Rezound which seems to be roughly a slightly improved CDMA/LTE version of the Vivid. I can get a new, sealed in the box, unlocked HTC Vivid for about $200 on eBay.
So where I am going with this, knowing HTC has had quality models and, well, lets just say questionable models, how is the Vivid? Is it solid and relatively problem free? easy to unlock, S-OFF, root, ROM, return to stock, etc. Has anyone used this on Net10/StraightTalk?
So basically I am just looking for people's opinion of the phone in general, from a heavy phone users perspective... My other alternative's at this time are the Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket which I can get new for about $210, or just suck it up and grab a Nexus 4 from Google, although the $350+tax and shipping for the 16GB model would hurt, a lot, right now.
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Go with the GS2 SkyRocket

TheROMGuy said:
Go with the GS2 SkyRocket
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Yeah, after a bunch of research and poking around the forums, that's what I did... Should have it by the end of the week.

acejavelin said:
Yeah, after a bunch of research and poking around the forums, that's what I did... Should have it by the end of the week.
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Its not that its a bad phone because its not its actually really good but its just not the easiest to work with.

I would have gone with the nexus 4 as I am sick of htc's BS but to each his own.

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Its not that its a bad phone because its not its actually really good but its just not the easiest to work with.
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Yeah, I am very familiar with the uniqueness of HTC products... I've owned more than one (Inc2, Aria, Rezound) and once you figure it out they are all really similar. I chose the SGS2 Skyrocket not because the Vivid was bad, but for me the SGS2 was just a better choice this time, same money, slight faster, better battery life, lighter, thinner, and more developer support. I don't think I would have been unhappy with the Vivid, just think I will be happier with the Sammy.
Thanks for responding.
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acejavelin said:
So here is the deal... I have been a Verizon customer for years, and I am just sick and tired of them jerking me around and upping their rates, taking away unlimited data, taking away early upgrades, etc. So I am thinking of jumping ship and going to Net10. I have also been a big HTC fan for a long time, currently using the HTC Rezound which seems to be roughly a slightly improved CDMA/LTE version of the Vivid. I can get a new, sealed in the box, unlocked HTC Vivid for about $200 on eBay.
So where I am going with this, knowing HTC has had quality models and, well, lets just say questionable models, how is the Vivid? Is it solid and relatively problem free? easy to unlock, S-OFF, root, ROM, return to stock, etc. Has anyone used this on Net10/StraightTalk?
So basically I am just looking for people's opinion of the phone in general, from a heavy phone users perspective... My other alternative's at this time are the Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket which I can get new for about $210, or just suck it up and grab a Nexus 4 from Google, although the $350+tax and shipping for the 16GB model would hurt, a lot, right now.
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TBH its a ok phone I like mine but its a pain to work with I just this past week got it able to do a custom rom(im new to flashing). so all in all i would say get something else.

swordmastr54 said:
TBH its a ok phone I like mine but its a pain to work with I just this past week got it able to do a custom rom(im new to flashing). so all in all i would say get something else.
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Little late there yo xP

Trade in M8 for S5

So, I am thinking about going to trade in my M8 for a S5 due to how horrible the radio is compared to my S4 on 3G, 4G and WiFi. I bought it at a Best Buy does anyone know would I have to exchange it there or can I do it at a Sprint store?
Also I am rooted with S-OFF I have a TWRP back up that is completely stock that I can flash. Will flashing that plus the modded hboot be enough for me to trade in without them voiding my warranty and not letting me trade?
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mikeregister said:
So, I am thinking about going to trade in my M8 for a S5 due to how horrible the radio is compared to my S4 on 3G, 4G and WiFi. I bought it at a Best Buy does anyone know would I have to exchange it there or can I do it at a Sprint store?
Also I am rooted with S-OFF I have a TWRP back up that is completely stock that I can flash. Will flashing that plus the modded hboot be enough for me to trade in without them voiding my warranty and not letting me trade?
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You have to go through Best Buy being as it came from them, just as long as you're within 14 days of original purchase. As far as being rooted and everything else, they don't care! I've sold them back a few phones running custom ROMs. Pretty funny, last year I sold them an S3 running dazednconfused (awesome themer by the way) "Wicked Sensations" ROM. It said wicked sensations all over it, even the bootanimation, I figured they would have said something, but no! As long as it powers up they're good with it.Good luck

Have you seen the s5 yet? I'm here getting my m8 exchanged for hopefully one with a better working radio and they have the s5 here. I'm honestly not impressed with it at all. The m8 just feels so much more premium and touchwiz looks damn horrible . But to each his own

I debated trading mine in for the gs5, but I decided that I like the m8 better all around.

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You have to go through Best Buy being as it came from them, just as long as you're within 14 days of original purchase. As far as being rooted and everything else, they don't care! I've sold them back a few phones running custom ROMs. Pretty funny, last year I sold them an S3 running dazednconfused (awesome themer by the way) "Wicked Sensations" ROM. It said wicked sensations all over it, even the bootanimation, I figured they would have said something, but no! As long as it powers up they're good with it.Good luck
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I went to best buy and tried to trade mine in for another M8 and they didn't have any so then I was like screw it I'll try the GS5. They didn't have any of those either and no other stores in my area do either. Right now I am screwed because I have until Friday to exchange or return. I could return and buy a new one when it comes in stock but then I will have to pay CA tax on it which is tax on the full MSRP of $799 I bought the one I got in SC for $216 after tax vs $264 in CA
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mikeregister said:
So, I am thinking about going to trade in my M8 for a S5 due to how horrible the radio is compared to my S4 on 3G, 4G and WiFi. I bought it at a Best Buy does anyone know would I have to exchange it there or can I do it at a Sprint store?
Also I am rooted with S-OFF I have a TWRP back up that is completely stock that I can flash. Will flashing that plus the modded hboot be enough for me to trade in without them voiding my warranty and not letting me trade?
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Have you visited the gs5 forums? Believe me when I say the grass is definitely not greener on that side.

Yea, I've been there too. Each phone suffers from the same problems. Chalk it up to Sprint not having their network ready for tri-band phones, and Google disabling extsdcard write support.

Samsung has always had better radios than HTC, however my M8 has the best radio thus far over any of my other HTC phones. It still isn't as good as Samsung but it's decent. The only reason I would consider a GS5 would be for the camera. HTC needs to stop with the camera gimmiks and put one good sensor in the camera and be done with it. I think the GS5 is a nice phone, however anytime I have used a galaxy line phone I don't like it at all. It just feels cheap and I hate Touch Wiz. I actually really like HTC Sense. I have been using Sense since the windows mobile days. Samsung phones are by no means perfect, but I do think you will be happier with the radio & camera but that is about it. I don't think it's worth the trade off in my opinion. I have seen plenty of phones with hardware issues both HTC & Samsung are not perfect.

Sim-X said:
Samsung has always had better radios than HTC, however my M8 has the best radio thus far over any of my other HTC phones. It still isn't as good as Samsung but it's decent. The only reason I would consider a GS5 would be for the camera. HTC needs to stop with the camera gimmiks and put one good sensor in the camera and be done with it. I think the GS5 is a nice phone, however anytime I have used a galaxy line phone I don't like it at all. It just feels cheap and I hate Touch Wiz. I actually really like HTC Sense. I have been using Sense since the windows mobile days. Samsung phones are by no means perfect, but I do think you will be happier with the radio & camera but that is about it. I don't think it's worth the trade off in my opinion. I have seen plenty of phones with hardware issues both HTC & Samsung are not perfect.
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For a couple of years now the radios have been identical.. They're both using the built in qualcomm. Ever since the lte phones first started coming out. The exception would have been back when sprints 4g phones were wimax. And at that time, htc's were actually much much better then samsungs. Samsung was known for having bad radios.

Well I was finally able to find a store with an M8 to exchange mine for today (last M8 at a Best Buy within 50 miles). I haven't been able to do too much tests but my WiFi is 100% better so I am happy now. I guess I did have a defective phone.
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regalpimpin said:
For a couple of years now the radios have been identical.. They're both using the built in qualcomm. Ever since the lte phones first started coming out. The exception would have been back when sprints 4g phones were wimax. And at that time, htc's were actually much much better then samsungs. Samsung was known for having bad radios.
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I should say radio performance has always been better on Samsung. My m7 compared to a GS4 or Note 3 the Samsung usually would have a lower dBm where my m7 would cut out the Samsung would hold an LTE signal better. The m8 has been much better than my m7 but I have never preferred radio performance on an HTC device versus a Samsung. Not to say I don't prefer HTC over Samsung. I have never liked the Galaxy phones, not to say they are not a nice phone.

Sim-X said:
I should say radio performance has always been better on Samsung. My m7 compared to a GS4 or Note 3 the Samsung usually would have a lower dBm where my m7 would cut out the Samsung would hold an LTE signal better. The m8 has been much better than my m7 but I have never preferred radio performance on an HTC device versus a Samsung. Not to say I don't prefer HTC over Samsung. I have never liked the Galaxy phones, not to say they are not a nice phone.
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Keep in mind that the S5 has the same TriBand Qualcomm Chip and Radio as the M8 and probably very similar firmware as well.
I suspect a "Working" M8 will run very similar to an S5.
Granted some M8's are not working correctly.
It's also extremely painful to get an M8 swapped out if you are over 14 days.
I had an S5 in my hands and brought home but stupid BestBuy sales clerk sold me a Verizon. In that time span I decided I prefer stay with the Devil I Know and got another M8.
If you are under 14days and you are having Network issues on an M8. SWAP IT OUT IMMEDIATELY.
New M8 is night and day working better. But I am very worried long term how it will hold up.