I enrolled in the University of Phoenix, into thier BS Computer Software engineering program. My question, is it worth it? How do employers look at for profit schools like U of P or ITT? Anybody working in the IT field who have recieved a degree at a for profit school? Any hiring managers out there? What is your opinion on schools like this?
Thank you for your time.
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I don't think most places care if it's a for profit school.
Take a look at the 'Career into Android' series on XDA TV. Pretty much, if you know your code, you are good to go. Yes, good universities do make a good impression but that's not the only thing that people look at.
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I don't think most places care if it's a for profit school.
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Take a look at the 'Career into Android' series on XDA TV. Pretty much, if you know your code, you are good to go. Yes, good universities do make a good impression but that's not the only thing that people look at.
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I enrolled in the University of Phoenix, into thier BS Computer Software engineering program. My question, is it worth it? How do employers look at for profit schools like U of P or ITT? Anybody working in the IT field who have recieved a degree at a for profit school? Any hiring managers out there? What is your opinion on schools like this?
Thank you for your time.
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I live here in Phoenix, but I think there are way better schools as long you have enough funds because I’ve seen some schools where its way expensive but offer better opportunities.
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I have harsh words. Go to a real school. Its mainly because of people looking to get a degree quick, that real University loans are so high. An overwhelming majority of college loan debt is from these for profit schools. For profit schools aren't recognized by major corporations, hospitals, etc. Mostly private or local (to the school) businesses that are familiar with the accreditation process of for profit schools will hire those with a degree from a for profit college. Even then with the accelerated degree, one would never make as much money as a person with a degree from a regionally accredited University.
Short story. While I was in school, a friend of mine was bragging about his girlfriend getting her degree in nursing from a for profit college. He kept bragging that she was going to make a lot of money. Then when she applied at the local Mayo Clinic (ranked the top hospital in the world) they denied her outright because they didn't recognize her degree. She then had to go back to working at a nursing home which recognized her degree.
All in all, take the extra time to go to a traditional school. It will pay off much more in the long run and you'll actually gain knowledge and skill and retain it versus some online degree.
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I have harsh words. Go to a real school. Its mainly because of people looking to get a degree quick, that real University loans are so high. An overwhelming majority of college loan debt is from these for profit schools. For profit schools aren't recognized by major corporations, hospitals, etc. Mostly private or local (to the school) businesses that are familiar with the accreditation process of for profit schools will hire those with a degree from a for profit college. Even then with the accelerated degree, one would never make as much money as a person with a degree from a regionally accredited University.
Short story. While I was in school, a friend of mine was bragging about his girlfriend getting her degree in nursing from a for profit college. He kept bragging that she was going to make a lot of money. Then when she applied at the local Mayo Clinic (ranked the top hospital in the world) they denied her outright because they didn't recognize her degree. She then had to go back to working at a nursing home which recognized her degree.
All in all, take the extra time to go to a traditional school. It will pay off much more in the long run and you'll actually gain knowledge and skill and retain it versus some online degree.
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Thanks for the response. I do go to class once a week. It's not accelerated, a 4 year degree, will take 4 years. I created a thread in the university of Phoenix forum. The responses of people's experiences was encouraging. Not all were positive, but there was plenty of examples of those successfully using their degree. I wish I did go to a traditional school when I was young, but I didn't. I have kids and a wife and work full time. A traditional school will just not work for me.
I know of multiple people that rather than pursuing a degree in programming they taught themselves through online resources (articles/tutorials). Granted this path is only suited for a person that is a self starter, but you will probably learn more. With this path you would probably not be able to apply for a job a large company immediately. You would first have build up your experience by doing side projects and working for smaller companies.
The best example I know is a friend of mine that doesn't have a degree, but learned on his own. He started out building a couple blog sites using Wordpress. He then sold his blog site for a couple thousand dollars. From there he got a job with a local website design firm and moved up to their head project manager and partner. He was in talks with buying out one partner, when he got a job with FireEngineRed as there lead mobile app designer.
I personally wouldn't spend money on a degree from a for profit school, but everyone has a unique situation. Good luck man.
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Hey guys....
This is probably the most personal question I have asked yet on XDA..but I am here for a while and my love for phones, softwares and computers has only grown the years...now can I make this my full time career???
I am currently working as a copywriter in an ad agency...b ut will a career shift help me..also, is the IT sector wroth the jump...I believe at this age, I can make a little more than what I am making...so any help???
Just wanted to know the future of IT? and are companies like Google, Apple and MS open to new talent??
Well, buddy... Not the first time I dispensed career advise, and definitely not the last time.
First of all, before jumping from different sectors to different sectors, ask yourself this question: Do I have enough money to survive?
This is a problem many people face when they change careers. I suggest that you have enough savings for at least 3 months, and best if you have enough for 6.
Next, you are trying to change from a copywriter in an advertising agency to the IT sector.
When changing careers, it is highly recommended to change to one where you have something to bring to the table. You are changing industrial sectors (advertising to IT), and I'm quite sure that there aren't many openings for copywriters in IT. What that means is that you will have no marketable skills in the IT sector (or I would say very little relevance to your prior experience) and you will have to start from the bottom.
There will be a lot of stress, as you see people younger than you are getting ahead of you, and with your passion, you will keep trying to compete with them, thus creating a very negative environment in your life.
I have once been advised by a CEO of a major bank that I shouldn't change my career unless it has either commonality with my job function (accountant) or it is within the same industry (plantations/palm oil). I would advise you to submit to the same wisdom.
A safer progression would then be to try to get a better grasp of the IT sector as an employee, as opposed to as an interest, because a job is different from a hobby.
I hope you get the gist of what I'm saying here, because the rest of your life is dependent on your decision now.
I'll end with a Chinese proverb (transliterated, of course):
Women are afraid of marrying the wrong guy
Men are afraid of entering the wrong job
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Well, buddy... Not the first time I dispensed career advise, and definitely not the last time.
First of all, before jumping from different sectors to different sectors, ask yourself this question: Do I have enough money to survive?
This is a problem many people face when they change careers. I suggest that you have enough savings for at least 3 months, and best if you have enough for 6.
Next, you are trying to change from a copywriter in an advertising agency to the IT sector.
When changing careers, it is highly recommended to change to one where you have something to bring to the table. You are changing industrial sectors (advertising to IT), and I'm quite sure that there aren't many openings for copywriters in IT. What that means is that you will have no marketable skills in the IT sector (or I would say very little relevance to your prior experience) and you will have to start from the bottom.
There will be a lot of stress, as you see people younger than you are getting ahead of you, and with your passion, you will keep trying to compete with them, thus creating a very negative environment in your life.
I have once been advised by a CEO of a major bank that I shouldn't change my career unless it has either commonality with my job function (accountant) or it is within the same industry (plantations/palm oil). I would advise you to submit to the same wisdom.
A safer progression would then be to try to get a better grasp of the IT sector as an employee, as opposed to as an interest, because a job is different from a hobby.
I hope you get the gist of what I'm saying here, because the rest of your life is dependent on your decision now.
I'll end with a Chinese proverb (transliterated, of course):
Women are afraid of marrying the wrong guy
Men are afraid of entering the wrong job
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THanx so so much....I am really taking everything you said into consideration and will give it a very serious thought...Though my love for computers will be alive, I will keep in mind what you said about sustainability and the fact that other, younger people will move ahead of me...
Thanx a megaton!!
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THanx so so much....I am really taking everything you said into consideration and will give it a very serious thought...Though my love for computers will be alive, I will keep in mind what you said about sustainability and the fact that other, younger people will move ahead of me...
Thanx a megaton!!
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No worries mate. IT is also a great passion for me, as well as music, but I've been advised to keep them as hobbies and get a real day job. So far, so good.
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No worries mate. IT is also a great passion for me, as well as music, but I've been advised to keep them as hobbies and get a real day job. So far, so good.
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sakai4eva you're an accountant? I'm planning on taking accounting in college, what mostly do you do when you're an accountant?
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sakai4eva you're an accountant? I'm planning on taking accounting in college, what mostly do you do when you're an accountant?
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Depends on your level and the company's specialization. At my level, it is preparing the management report for my division. At lower levels, you could be dealing with Receivables, Payables and/or General Ledger, as well as other areas. Some of my colleagues will be preparing the consolidated accounts on the other hand.
Mostly you will start as a beancounting monkey, and move up.
It might sound really horrible, but I suggest that you join an accounting firm right after graduation (they are quite exclusive though) because the exposure is incredible. But so is the pressure, stress and workload, hence I have left for about 2 years already.
The job is relatively boring, with you stapling your own fingers being probably the highest adrenaline shot you can get (either that or an over-stressed coworker starts shooting, but anyway...) so you'd probably have to make your own entertainment, if you know what I mean...
Anyway, depending on which country you are in, you might want to get certified as a professional accountant.
yup I'm planning on being a CPA too if I can do it and will be working also in the US. Though I won't be taking my education in the US.
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yup I'm planning on being a CPA too if I can do it and will be working also in the US. Though I won't be taking my education in the US.
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USA.... SABOX will ensure that you'll never run out of work, although it will restrict your career mobility.
Learning accounting from a different country is not beneficial, especially when considering the different approach of the European system, the UK system and the US system. I'd really suggest that you study where you'd wanna end up working.
Then that will a problem because I can't have my education at the US(financial reasons). But I don't really have to think of that right now.
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Yeah... studying in USA sucks. Your student loan costs might bankrupt you.
Results announced. I did very, very poor. Actually the reason for this is, I am not at all interested in studying what I am. I am always like 'Not feeling to'. Currently in Uni, 2nd year. Thinking of dropping out, the same I thought when I was in 1st year but I gave that thought away thinking that its just a new place, I will get suited to it. But now I am fairly sure, that trying to do something which I am not interested in will not land me anywhere good.
Experienced people, please suggest should I drop out? Reason holding me back are, my 2 years will be wasted not to mention the money put in.
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Results announced. I did very, very poor. Actually the reason for this is, I am not at all interested in studying what I am. I am always like 'Not feeling to'. Currently in Uni, 2nd year. Thinking of dropping out, the same I thought when I was in 1st year but I gave that thought away thinking that its just a new place, I will get suited to it. But now I am fairly sure, that trying to do something which I am not interested in will not land me anywhere good.
Experienced people, please suggest should I drop out? Reason holding me back are, my 2 years will be wasted not to mention the money put in.
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I got 3 Choices for ya.
-Finish The School Year
-Switch Majors to something ya like
-Just Stick to it because you have put money in
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I got 3 Choices for ya.
-Finish The School Year
-Switch Majors to something ya like
-Just Stick to it because you have put money in
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Cannot switch majors. Our uni doesn't give any option like that.
I might drag myself to the finish of the course or I might drop out. Lets see. Thanks for your opinion.
Sure thing good luck
That's impossible. School have to allow to let you switch majors, unless you live in commie cuba or something. Go back, take easy classes for now, don't overwhelm yourself. My school kicked me out due to low grades. I'm starting a different school in 2 weeks, and I will have to waste 1.5 hours on the subway one way, but I need to get my GPA up so then I can write an appeals to my old school. So just go back, and take classes that won't be too hard to understand.
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Universities in the UK are run differently to the US.
I was at uni in the mid 90s and after a car accident in my first year, went back to start again.
About this time of year, a housemate came home high on drugs and attacked me, so I decided to leave uni, I wasn't enjoying it and back then with loans of only £1000 it was costing too much to live (not like students now with their generous loans).
I was unemployed for 2 weeks, had to pay Hampshire county council the small grant I had back.
However, times have changed, there were better employment prospects at the time, how are yours now?
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However, times have changed, there were better employment prospects at the time, how are yours now?
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What he said.
There's nothing worse than making a mistake that you can't take back. Especially one that could change your life forever. I'd stay the course and see if you can't work something out with your tutors to get on top of the situation.
One or two sucky years is better than forty or fifty!
this is a grim topic....
Let's say you already drop out of college, what would you do after that?
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Let's say you already drop out of college, what would you do after that?
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Find a minimum wage job?
Stick it out. There are ways to make it more fun. Lots of people think back to college as a time when things were more fun. Get laid / smoke a joint. Oh, and don't forget about cheating to get good grades. Join a study group or frat (ie something where everybody ia trying for good grades). They might also have some fun activities.
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Let's say you already drop out of college, what would you do after that?
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Well, doing this course was never my interest. After drop out, I'll try to do what I always wanted to or had interest in and of course get some job.
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Stick it out. There are ways to make it more fun. Lots of people think back to college as a time when things were more fun. Get laid / smoke a joint. Oh, and don't forget about cheating to get good grades. Join a study group or frat (ie something where everybody ia trying for good grades). They might also have some fun activities.
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Well yes, a lot of people think like 'College is the best part of life' and all, but honestly, I never felt that way not even close to. Everyday I am like, oh another week, I have to go to college so that I can get minimum attendance required so that they allow to give the exams. I am never excited or looking forward to going to the classes, not even a single class and no wonder this will affect my result which I have just seen.
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after discussion with a few people, I am thinking of continuing this course and get a side course, like correspondence in which you have to study at home and only go to give the exams.
what's your course?
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Turn on, tune in, drop out.
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what's your course?
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applied physics engineering
I was in a similar position several years ago. I've just finished my 2nd year of uni and I've completely lost interest in studying. My poor grades led to me being suspended for a semester.
I seriously considered dropping out to pursue a career in IT via A+ Certification. Anyway, after several long discussions with my family, I decided put my head down and graduate from uni first before making any further career decisions.
It was the best decision I ever made. I became a more mature and disciplined person through the experience. And I'm able to use it my advantage during job interviews. I'm able to say things like:
"I don't give up easily when faced with hardships. I hit a snag in the road during university but I'm able to push through it with my determination. My immaturity early-on cost me dearly in terms of average GPA. But if you just look at my grades over my last several semesters, those high marks represent my growth and my true potential."
If you drop out now, it would be hard to answer the inevitable interview question: "I see here on your CV that you've attended so-and-so university for 2 years. What happened there?"
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I was in a similar position several years ago. I've just finished my 2nd year of uni and I've completely lost interest in studying. My poor grades led to me being suspended for a semester.
I seriously considered dropping out to pursue a career in IT via A+ Certification. Anyway, after several long discussions with my family, I decided put my head down and graduate from uni first before making any further career decisions.
It was the best decision I ever made. I became a more mature and disciplined person through the experience. And I'm able to use it my advantage during job interviews. I'm able to say things like:
"I don't give up easily when faced with hardships. I hit a snag in the road during university but I'm able to push through it with my determination. My immaturity early-on cost me dearly in terms of average GPA. But if you just look at my grades over my last several semesters, those high marks represent my growth and my true potential."
If you drop out now, it would be hard to answer the inevitable interview question: "I see here on your CV that you've attended so-and-so university for 2 years. What happened there?"
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You have a good point there.
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You have a good point there.
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I went to engineering college studied electronics.
Passed a AVR & PIC exam.
Then got bored with my classes and dropped out after 2 years.
I went to look for a job... no luck anywhere.
Then wrote comptia +A exam.
Still no luck.
Passed N+
BAM finally got a position that i could live off of.
It's been a hard climb due to my age.
Time is limited.. go now.
Finish thy classes.
For thou shalt have time to peruse other things without the waste.
What do you feel money is being wasted on? I'll start it off by saying "outer space exploration" is a waste of money. Please spare me the Tang crap. The minute this thread goes sour, I grant the Mods the power to close it.
Pretty much anything having to do with politics. The government would rather let Obama build stuff like basketball courts at the White House rather than supply our military with proper supplies and equipment. And I know this first hand. Former US Army 13 Bravo here. HOOAH!!!
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What do you feel money is being wasted on? I'll start it off by saying "outer space exploration" is a waste of money. Please spare me the Tang crap. The minute this thread goes sour, I grant the Mods the power to close it.
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Can i ask why?
War (Though I don't think this will be stopped because humans have been fighting since our existence)
I think far too much is spent on our military and not enough is directed towards national public school funds
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I think far too much is spent on our military and not enough is directed towards national public school funds
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Not as much is really spent as you think. We spend more money fixing things we destroyed than it cost to destroy it. But I do agree with you, not near enough is spent on education for children. That should be the biggest priority!
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Waste of money??!
well you buy all types of PC's Laptops,notebooks and all!
upgrade it to the highest systems can apps it can be
alienware if all!!
use the most expensive gadgets for its
THEN RIDE A PLANE AND DROP ALL OF IT FROM ABOVE,HAHAH!
http://mat.usc.edu/u-s-education-versus-the-world-infographic/
We already spend an insane amount per pupil and we are cranking out idiots. You want to spend more on education? Get Washington out of the picture. That is the answer.
Big Government spending: advertizing, oversea's donations, security, brainwashing, etc.
And this thread has instantaneously become a political thread, so...
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My question. In the field of computer programming at this stage is it worth the 2 year investment of time and money to get a degree in computer programming? I'm 28 married with 4 kids. Is it a good possible career choice? I know its mostly dependent on whether you care enough to be good at it. Or is it a field that is flooded with new talent making it not so much worth it unless it been your passion since you were in your teens?
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My question. In the field of computer programming at this stage is it worth the 2 year investment of time and money to get a degree in computer programming? I'm 28 married with 4 kids. Is it a good possible career choice? I know its mostly dependent on whether you care enough to be good at it. Or is it a field that is flooded with new talent making it not so much worth it unless it been your passion since you were in your teens?
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No.
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No.
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You don't have to be so short!!
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No.
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Which question were you answering?
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Which question were you answering?
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I think he was answering the short one.
Short answer for a short question. Lol.
But seriously. The job market is saturated with programmers and unless you have some programming experience it will be difficult. Also, if you still want to do it then pick up some text books and read it yourself. I can send you a C++ and a Java book in pdf. The ones I'm using this semester.
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Short answer for a short question. Lol.
But seriously. The job market is saturated with programmers and unless you have some programming experience it will be difficult. Also, if you still want to do it then pick up some text books and read it yourself. I can send you a C++ and a Java book in pdf. The ones I'm using this semester.
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The PDFs would be great. Pm me for email. Though I don't known if a saturated market now with as many people out of work as there are will necessarily be so saturated in 2 year. I personally don't think that the american economy is ready to quit nor is the american spirit of in general. Sorry I know I said short question and turned it into a much longer question. I do enjoy messing around with the smart phones. I'm learning quite a bit. I appreciate the responses. I do think I'm going to go for it in the winter quarter.
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If you're only in it for the money you won't go far. If computers/programming is something you're passionate about there's no limit to what you can do. People who love what they do are always successful compared to people only in it for the money because when they love what they do it becomes apparent in their work.
So would it be a bad idea for me to go into computer science when I go to college in 4 years?
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So would it be a bad idea for me to go into computer science when I go to college in 4 years?
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Like I said, it depends on why you're doing it. If it's for the money your time might be better spent on a different major, but if you genuinely are doing it out of a love for computers you won't regret it.
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Like I said, it depends on why you're doing it. If it's for the money your time might be better spent on a different major, but if you genuinely are doing it out of a love for computers you won't regret it.
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I have 4 years to think it through, so...
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I don't know that I can agree with that. While someone who has a true passion for something can be better than someone that doesn't would you really feel comfortable with a complete moron with a passion for cars to do your brakes? Its a simple enough system but should a step be missed the consequences could be deadly. Think about the mechanics from the Jim Carey movie the mask. for anyone to make a career of something over a hobby the major motivator is undoubtedly money. No matter the passion for you'll find very few people who would work on a strangers car for free. Me personally I am very passionate about cars. I enjoy restoring them, modifying them, adding that custom touch to make it stand out. Would i make a career of it? No I found after years in the industry I much prefer it as a hobby. Even though I have made insane money selling cars that I've restored or even my 10 second street legal camaro. I have a closet full of trophies from the 71 super Beatle restoration project I did in high school and spent a year and a half trailering to shows. I've also started at a restaurant as a bus boy and worked to general manager with no passion for the food service industry. Passion does not guarantee success. Unless that passion is placed in making g yourself the best you can possibly be at anything you do.
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I don't know that I can agree with that. While someone who has a true passion for something can be better than someone that doesn't would you really feel comfortable with a complete moron with a passion for cars to do your brakes? Its a simple enough system but should a step be missed the consequences could be deadly. Think about the mechanics from the Jim Carey movie the mask. for anyone to make a career of something over a hobby the major motivator is undoubtedly money. No matter the passion for you'll find very few people who would work on a strangers car for free. Me personally I am very passionate about cars. I enjoy restoring them, modifying them, adding that custom touch to make it stand out. Would i make a career of it? No I found after years in the industry I much prefer it as a hobby. Even though I have made insane money selling cars that I've restored or even my 10 second street legal camaro. I have a closet full of trophies from the 71 super Beatle restoration project I did in high school and spent a year and a half trailering to shows. I've also started at a restaurant as a bus boy and worked to general manager with no passion for the food service industry. Passion does not guarantee success. Unless that passion is placed in making g yourself the best you can possibly be at anything you do.
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Hm.
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This thread is called "short question", not "short answer".
I am 16, in grade 10 and my grades are on a downhill tract. I got As and Bs in 8 and 9 but G10 is extremely hard and pressuring. I study hard every day and do NOT game a lot(Maybe 15 mins a day playing BF3). I know G11 and G12 are going to be much harder, and I will never get to go to University/College.
What could I do? I really feel bad.
If you are taking honor or AP classes drop them and get regular classes. I say its better to get As and Bus in regular than Cs and Ds in honors. You'll get a higher GPA. If your worried about college admission look into joining a sport. You'd be surprised at the people that are in college. Not all are book worms. Community college isn't a bad thing to join either. Talk to your school counselor.
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You don't game enough.
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You don't game enough.
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If you are taking honor or AP classes drop them and get regular classes. I say its better to get As and Bus in regular than Cs and Ds in honors. You'll get a higher GPA. If your worried about college admission look into joining a sport. You'd be surprised at the people that are in college. Not all are book worms. Community college isn't a bad thing to join either. Talk to your school counselor.
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Thanks much, you made me feel better with some info.
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You need to examine where your grades are lacking. Are you completing and turning in all homework? How are your test grades?
Tutoring is a good idea, too. I don't know you, so this one is unlikely, but if you have even minor learning disabilities, there is a LOT that can be done.
All challenges can be overcome if you understand the areas of weakness and devise a plan to overcome them, specifically.
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If you can, a tutor can work wonders. They can be expensive I realize. My son homeschools, and we got him a tutor for algebra. It has really made a difference for him.
When I was in school, wow 22 years ago, I got behind and never caught back up. I did get a 3.0 GPA, but only because. I was real good in certain classes, so be wise with you course selections. Pick subjects that you can do well in to go along with the rest.You would probably find your teachers to be very helpful if you asked them for help. They love it when someone wants to learn, and shows initiative.
Also, college is not the only way to make it in life. There are many fields and business opportunities for someone without a college degree. I am not rich, but have zero debt, own my house, cars, toys, etc... I own my own company and never finished college. Just wasn't for me. I know several millionaires who never went to college. They were just smart with their choices!
Don't give up. That never accomplished anything .
Good luck.
Go rob a bank, then get caught and go to jail. You will get free food/clothes/shelter.
My gosh, you people are angels, thanks much for your help and please keep em coming
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StormMcCloud said:
Go rob a bank, then get caught and go to jail. You will get free food/clothes/shelter.
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lol
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chrism.brunner said:
If you can, a tutor can work wonders. They can be expensive I realize. My son homeschools, and we got him a tutor for algebra. It has really made a difference for him.
When I was in school, wow 22 years ago, I got behind and never caught back up. I did get a 3.0 GPA, but only because. I was real good in certain classes, so be wise with you course selections. Pick subjects that you can do well in to go along with the rest.You would probably find your teachers to be very helpful if you asked them for help. They love it when someone wants to learn, and shows initiative.
Also, college is not the only way to make it in life. There are many fields and business opportunities for someone without a college degree. I am not rich, but have zero debt, own my house, cars, toys, etc... I own my own company and never finished college. Just wasn't for me. I know several millionaires who never went to college. They were just smart with their choices!
Don't give up. That never accomplished anything .
Good luck.
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Wow, I admire you. Wish you great luck for your business.
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Hidden Username said:
lol
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If you have a chance to do some internships at museums or a zoo, go for it, I did and had a blast! It adds an element of fun to high school. Also I transferred out of high school to the high school completion program at my community college in Portland, absolutely loved it! Anyway just be smart and enthusiastic about your choices, and try to enjoy a few courses along the way.
Jake
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jaketc said:
If you have a chance to do some internships at museums or a zoo, go for it, I did and had a blast! It adds an element of fun to high school. Also I transferred out of high school to the high school completion program at my community college in Portland, absolutely loved it! Anyway just be smart and enthusiastic about your choices, and try to enjoy a few courses along the way.
Jake
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Exactly, that is my perspective on life too. Do what I love and as long as I get a good enough pay to make my family happy, I am good.
However, in South Asian culture(I live in Saskatchewan Canada) people think that if you don't go to university, you are a failure.
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jaszek said:
You don't game enough.
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Hidden Username said:
Please be serious
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i do remember a post regarding video gamers and higher IQ's
Hidden Username said:
Exactly, that is my perspective on life too. Do what I love and as long as I get a good enough pay to make my family happy, I am good.
However, in South Asian culture(I live in Saskatchewan Canada) people think that if you don't go to university, you are a failure.
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Amen to that, brother.
I'm studying in India and anything less than a post graduate or a professional degree is considered sin.
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DonDizzurp said:
i do remember a post regarding video gamers and higher IQ's
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Gamers tend to be better at making fast, on the spot, intelligent decisions, while non gamers aren't.
jaszek said:
Gamers tend to be better at making fast, on the spot, intelligent decisions, while non gamers aren't.
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Don't discount a lifelong diciplined musician's ability to react the same way, or better.
jaszek said:
You don't game enough.
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Dude, be serious.
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Honestly, and I say this from experience, 10th grade is the hardest. To me after that highschool flew by with ease. I took AP classes until I decided to ditch them my senior year. Not stressing about stuff helps too bro. Best of luck.
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Its not hard. You just need to decided if you want to wake up 6 days a week for a really crappy job pays nothing for the next 40 years or sacrifice a few years now to be doing what you want and having a great stress free life. Its up to you. Pick up the book now!
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