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No need for 4.2

Kind of funny but I've been thinking about this. 4.2 is almost an update designed to make bare bones aosp android better, and does almost nothing for a phone with a manufacturer skin. 4.1 would be great on this phone with project butter, better notifications, and Google now, but here's the rundown on 4.2 features:
Better camera app: sense 3.6 already has a nicer one than aosp. No photosphere but its kinda of a gimmick "look what my phone can do" feature anyway. The stock camera app has always sucked until 4.2 and the update finally brings it up to par with custom ui's, but does nothing for us.
Improved lockscreen with widget support : sense pretty much has the best lockscreen with shortcut support and notification widgets that appear through sense apps. Custom widget support would be nice but aosp still doesn't have shortcut support.
Gesture typing: yep, we got it on the stock "touch input" keyboard. next
Quick settings : yep sense has that too
Tv out support : while we don't have miracast support, about every htc device post evo 4G has either an hdmi port or mhl support. I'm sure the vivid is no different, but correct me if I'm wrong.
Better alarm clock app : the aosp alarm clock app has always been an after thought until 4.2,however ui's like sense and touchwiz have always had really nice alarm clock apps and the 4.2 app really just brings stock aosp up to par with the ui's
User profiles: this feature is tablet only and disabled on the phones so the vivid wouldn't get it anyway.
I think that's about it. So there you have it! I really kind of believe 4.2 is catered to nexus devices, and I honestly could see a lot of manufacturers passing on this as if they do update, then it'll be little more than a version number change. If you're in the market for a non nexus phone and it has 4.1, then your already up to date.
Just something I thought about. Thoughts?
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And before anyone calls me out, I got a nexus 7, so I use 4.2 on a daily basis, so I'm not just posting on stuff I've read lol.
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I have a nexus 7 also and personally I'd like to see 4.2 on the vivid because I HATE sense.... Didn't realize how much I didn't like it until I played with pure android. But I'm guessing that if we can't get CM10 to work on this phone, there'd be no reason to worry about 4.2 or not!
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Yeah I'm not to keen on sense either, thought it was awesome until I got a phone with it and had to use it every day. If by some Longshot we get jellybean, I hope it comes with Sense 4+ and not the underwhelming sense 3.6 that's on this phone now. From what I've seen sense 4 is world's ahead of what we have.
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Once cm10 is completed bring 4.2 will be easy as there isn't much difference between 4.1.2 and 4.3 when it comes to making things work
Anyways I love the 4.2 camera...and I think I read others here on the vivid are able to use it on ICS....
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Well I was nearly speaking from the perspective of stock, of course I'd want it for cm, but cm doesn't quite have 4.2 ready yet anyway. I hope you can pull it off, I might keep this thing if I can actually get away from using sense or "desensitized" roms.
Problem is with the development we've had, nothing really seems done. I'm sure there is some way to crack the ril issues, so kudos for not giving up. I know I've complained alot but really the phone is no different on stock than any other phone, it's just development hasn't been so great as the best developers keep giving up on the phone in favor of a galaxy s3 or something else.
From a stock standpoint this is better than my captivate I had before, but I would of hated the captivate if I had to be at the mercy of at&t and Samsung for updates which is where we're at with this phone currently. So best of luck to ya hope you can finally solve the dreaded ril issue!
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Cor-master said:
Well I was nearly speaking from the perspective of stock, of course I'd want it for cm, but cm doesn't quite have 4.2 ready yet anyway. I hope you can pull it off, I might keep this thing if I can actually get away from using sense or "desensitized" roms.
Problem is with the development we've had, nothing really seems done. I'm sure there is some way to crack the ril issues, so kudos for not giving up. I know I've complained alot but really the phone is no different on stock than any other phone, it's just development hasn't been so great as the best developers keep giving up on the phone in favor of a galaxy s3 or something else.
From a stock standpoint this is better than my captivate I had before, but I would of hated the captivate if I had to be at the mercy of at&t and Samsung for updates which is where we're at with this phone currently. So best of luck to ya hope you can finally solve the dreaded ril issue!
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Lol I feel the same...but since I have the phone and at least somewhat knowledge on this stuff I figured I might as well try my best...that being said I hate HTC and will never get another one...this vivid ruined it for me. Like you say, stock wise this phone is great...but that's it. Once you go into the world of custom ROMs this phone takes a major dive to nowhere :/
And honestly...ialthough I will keep trying I don't think I'll personally ever figure out the ril/mic issue...but since we got h8rift now I think we may stand a fighting chance...he is a real dev, I'm just a contributor...hence our titles
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Yeah they can make some beautiful looking phones with excellent build quality but sense hasn't aged well and every post sensation device has been a lot less developer friendly. I almost think they feel insulted that anyone wouldn't want to use sense and feel like their phones are perfect already.
But the one x, one x+, and DROID DNA are all gorgeous looking. Hell really so is our phone. Make no mistake their phones are awesome its just the software that blows.
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Confused why?

If the HTC One comes with Sense 5 and runs like a beast why would someone want to use aosp? It seems like you lose a lot of features in the switch. Things are broken as well. I've never come across an aosp Rom that was 100% working on any device I've owned. There always had been troubleshooting I've needed to do, a lot of it. Not trying to upset anyone, just curious about the rationale. I understand getting some features that you can't with Sense but that thought process is vice versa, or can go both ways. Personal preference I guess. Any thoughts, comments? What would I be able to do with aosp that I cannot with Sense? Looking forward to a healthy and productive discussion.
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pmacevad said:
If the HTC One comes with Sense 5 and runs like a beast why would someone want to use aosp? It seems like you lose a lot of features in the switch. Things are broken as well. I've never come across an aosp Rom that was 100% working on any device I've owned. There always had been troubleshooting I've needed to do, a lot of it. Not trying to upset anyone, just curious about the rationale. I understand getting some features that you can't with Sense but that thought process is vice versa, or can go both ways. Personal preference I guess. Any thoughts, comments? What would I be able to do with aosp that I cannot with Sense? Looking forward to a healthy and productive discussion.
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Aosp eventually ran 100% on the Evo 4G and I never looked back.
I always found myself sticking to aosp once 4G was working on the 3D as well and never really missed the 3D feature much. But I see your point. Right now, with how well Sense 5 seems to run and what's currently broke, I can't understand wanting it... Right NOW. But once most things are functioning I can see it getting popular.
I won't though... I dig Zoe. Lol.
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felacio said:
Aosp eventually ran 100% on the Evo 4G and I never looked back.
I always found myself sticking to aosp once 4G was working on the 3D as well and never really missed the 3D feature much. But I see your point. Right now, with how well Sense 5 seems to run and what's currently broke, I can't understand wanting it... Right NOW. But once most things are functioning I can see it getting popular.
I won't though... I dig Zoe. Lol.
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I remember gingerbread running pretty nicely on my OG Evo as well. I do A LOT of different things on my phone (as I'm sure most of us do ), but there would always be something I could find. Guess it's just me being nitpicky lol. Didn't you release a Rom or 2 over there?
I love this newest version of sense, miss some of the old sense widgets though. The zoe feature is top notch, and the camera pics are better then any mobile phone camera I've ever used. And I also have to admit, I'm in love with Blinkfeed. Everything right on the homescreen that I want to read, and some things I didn't, but found out that I did lol. All around I think it's a great os. I'm curious to try out some aosp on the One but I don't know if I'm willing to give up those features. I'm also intimidated about the internal data moving around between aosp and sense, and having to manually move it around. That's why to me right now it's not worth the change. Well have to see what's in store for the future.
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I know on my evo shift aosp ran flawless and fast as all getout.... I suppose the benefits on a device this fast would simply be the fact that its the latest android release 4.2.2 as opposed to whatever android version sense is (currently 4.1.2). Honestly for the enrichment that sense brings I don't see it getting nearly as popular on the one unless klp brings some killer features. Until the next iteration of sense comes out and we get that update....

I'm with ya OP I just don't understand the reasoning. But some people are just purists I suppose and want stock Android for some reason. I've personally always thought of AOSP was kind of moving and meh.
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I tried CM10.1 for a few days it's night and day more fluid. If it gets fully functional bye bye blink feed.
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I just finished my OG Evo run with Decks Reloaded and everything was great but, it will be awhile b4 I give up this version of Sense. I'm not as jazzed about BF but, I do love the camera and its features and the overall lightness of it these days. I originally learned about rooting due to lack of space on the OG Evo but, those days are long gone!!

gonowhere said:
I just finished my OG Evo run with Decks Reloaded and everything was great but, it will be awhile b4 I give up this version of Sense. I'm not as jazzed about BF but, I do love the camera and its features and the overall lightness of it these days. I originally learned about rooting due to lack of space on the OG Evo but, those days are long gone!!
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Funny, I originally learned of rooting due to wanting free tether on my OG Evo.

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Funny, I originally learned of rooting due to wanting free tether on my OG Evo.
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Right..I was a junkie for all the things you could when I first learned about rooting, I was reading forums ALL the time!!!

Another thing to add is that Sense 5 is much more transparent to Android. You see a lot more of AOSP in the new version of Sense, like the notification menu, some of the text editing, etc. Personally, I like Sense over AOSP because AOSP to me seems just too basic. And this is a good in between to where I've actually been happy with it. Sense 3 and 4 were just way too in your face, but I liked it because it was Sense. I now see it more because I have the One. At this point, if HTC stays with it's values on Sense 5, and continues to innovate, more people will likely stay.

pmacevad said:
If the HTC One comes with Sense 5 and runs like a beast why would someone want to use aosp? It seems like you lose a lot of features in the switch. Things are broken as well. I've never come across an aosp Rom that was 100% working on any device I've owned. There always had been troubleshooting I've needed to do, a lot of it. Not trying to upset anyone, just curious about the rationale. I understand getting some features that you can't with Sense but that thought process is vice versa, or can go both ways. Personal preference I guess. Any thoughts, comments? What would I be able to do with aosp that I cannot with Sense? Looking forward to a healthy and productive discussion.
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That's because all AOSP ROMs are a hack. I'm sure it will be as fully functional and stable as any OEM Sense ROM.
The CM Project has some of it's own code. But they don't have access to firmware and they need to play together. HTC and Carriers have access to everything.
People always think open source means Open everything. It's almost always a Hybrid with some propriety pieces that are not released and the "public" code is always lagging in what's released.
Some things done on AOSP are reverse engineered when they don't have source for something (or the latest source).
I've yet to see a AOSP ROM CM have a FULLY functional GPS. Nor have the ## codes ever worked which I find really useful.
By the time they (Sprint HTC CDMA Android phones) are Officially Supported (if at all) it's over a year and the next generation is released.
Unofficial AOSP (CM) is always behind.

To answer Ops question, some ppl like the pure android experience. AOSP Roms are usually the 1st to be updated to the latest version of android. Also, AOSP Roms take up less memory than Sense roms. There are some features I actually miss from CM/AOSP like widgets in lockscreen, 4.2 quick toggles from notification drawer, quick reply to text from notification drawer, 4.2 photosphere, etc. I used to just run CM on all my devices when available but I'm actually liking Sense 5. For me, I'm happy with it and don't see myself flashing AOSP any time soon
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I think on dated HTC phones aosp was the way to go because sense was over bearing.. aosp came along way as far as functionality and features. Aosp opened development to things like cm, pa, rootbox, akop with things we never have on sense. Now on the other hand sense 5 is the sweet spot and with the camera features how sense is more incorporated into android opposed to how sense just ran on top and took control. Sense 5 is more like Pippen to Jordan rather than Shaq and Koby both wanting the stardom at one point
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Sense is one of the reason I use HTC. I tried a few asop roms on my ol g evo (loved that phone)and never liked them as much.
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Has anyone ported a sense Rom for a device from a different brand
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I am with the op as well. I use HTC devices because of sense. I would just use a nexus if I wanted aosp. Just a matter of personal preference I guess.
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Well right now there isn't much advantage. But when key lime pie lands and then L whatever it becomes a lot more appealing. HTC won't keep this updated for the two years I will own this phone but I will still want to play with next great thing and not be stuck here. Usually bounce between ASOP and the newest sense that gets ported.
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I was a AOSP user for awhile on my cdma htc hero and my lg optimus s (AOSP made them less sluggish). But I always had some sort of bug. When I bought the S3 I was excited because the phone is so popular I figured AOSP would run really well and the bugs would be gone....Needless to say it was always too buggy for me (and if you goto the cyanogenmod thread there is always someone reporting a bug). So I stuck with touchwiz but didnt like the look so I themed it and honestly I was pretty content. A large part of why I like cyanogen is because it looks really nice.
The new sense hit it out of the park IMO and is a great base to tweek up even better than touchwiz. Looks wise its awesome and it has many good features. I am now going to root and install a custom rom based off of stock. Stock tweaked rooms seem to be where its at right now.
Im not going to lie if I could choose plain android vs sense I might choose android but the choice between modded AOSP (buggy) and stock modded is simple.

also it's the battery life of aosp roms, usually cm roms easily doubles battery life for me, on the lte i could easily go 1 day and half on my batt when most on sense couldn't make it thru a day being a heavy user, there are pros and cons to sense and cm

I decided to try vanilla Android and brought a Nexus 4 and guess what? Guess they call it vanilla for a reason. It was absolutely the boringness phone I have ever had. I only lasted 2 weeks with the phone before I gave up on it.
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I'm runnin the latest cm nightly and alls well... Like aosp sometimes... Fun to change it up just because... I can!
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[Q] Broken between the Sense Edition and the Google Edition

So, I had my heart set on the One with Sense since it was announced and heard nothing but good reviews about it, but then the Google Edition was recently announced, it's basically a Super-Nexus. I currently have a Nexus 7 and a Droid X2 running CM10, so I'm familiar with Jellybean and like it very much!
So when I heard about the Nexus edition of the One, I was amazed. But then, I remembered since it's running stock Jellybean, it won't have the HTC only features like Zoe among others.
I'm open to the idea of changing the ROMs to get stock android if I bought the One with Sense on it...wait, is there a ROM that you can install to change to Sense 5 if I bought the Google edition!? That would be perfect if there was because I could try Sense if I wanted, but have Stock as my default and get all of Google's updates immediately!
I basically have to choose between:
HTC's Sense with all the Sense features and change the ROM to get to stock android. Slow to no OTA updates from Google.
Stock android with constant updates from Google as soon as they come out AND the stock experience. (Can still change the ROM)
I known this is a forum for the Sense HTC One, but what do you guys think? If you had this choice what would you do?

I just bought my HTC One a week ago, already having in mind that a Google Edition will be coming out, but as I don't live in the USA and given that it's going to be exclusive for the time being that wasn't such a big deal to me.
But I'm actually quite convinced that you are going to be able to switch from Sense to AOSP and vice versa, because they're the exact same hardware. Remember that tweak for the Optimus G that allowed you to basically turn it into a Nexus 4 from a software stand point? I'm sure there will be something similar to that and even if it's not supported officially, developers are going to find one way or another
I could even imagine something like an RUU to turn a regular One into a Google Edition. Well the 26th isn't that far away now, we'll see...

yes u will be able to switch roms

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yes u will be able to switch roms
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So there is ROM that will allow me to switch to Sense 5 if I buy a Google Edition HTC One?

AChavitez said:
So there is ROM that will allow me to switch to Sense 5 if I buy a Google Edition HTC One?
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There are several stock like roms with sense 5 in the android development section.
Read through and see which one suits you best.

Get the sense one. We already can change the phones identity so making it a Google edition shouldn't be any different
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The HTC camera is enough of a reason for me not to care about
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Just get either one, it doesn't matter much, to be honest. The Google Edition one has an unlocked bootloader and is probably S-OFF, and you can do both on the Sense edition as well. You can install any ROM you want on either one with no problems, whether sense-based or AOSP.

If u want a super nexus than this isn't the phone for you. Its not a nexus and never will be. I would go with the sense to get the great features. If you want stock it's better to get a nexus. (Just my opinion)
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To flash CM10.1 or remain with Sense 5 ROM

Hi guys.
I've been using sense 5 for a while now on my HTC One.
However I used cm10.1 on my nexus 4 and it was a pleasant experience.
I have no idea if it's worth the switch from stock sense 5 Roms to CyanogenMod Rom on the HTC One.
Did you replace your sense 5 Rom with a CM Rom?
Why did you switch and is it of any great benefit?
Thanks.
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To be frank its personal choice.
but there are few drawbacks of installing cm on this device. u will lose zoe , camera quality is a BIT lower, Bluetooth issues.
and off-course , you will lose awesome blinkfeed
but disregarding all those, its still a good daily driver.
and more-over, sense offers a much more professional and clean ui. you might start to like it soon.

I switched over to the Google Edition for a week and it was good. Buy for some reason, Sense just fits the One so nicely that I felt the phone was incomplete without it. And not just the feel, but Sense ROMs are actually tweaked and optimized towards the hardware, so theres an interrelationship too. I've come to appreciate Sense 5 due to this.
Just my two cents. :]
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Why sense-roms are so popular?

Hey there,
i'm having my HTC for around 2 months now and never hold a senserom more than 15 minutes.
So, no matter on what forum i look, sense roms are much more popular and famous than GPE or even CM roms.
With my older Phones (Galaxy ace, Galaxy S plus, Galaxy S3) CM roms were (or still are) more popular, but on the HTC sense roms are much more popular. Whats the point?
I mean.. ok no doubt, the sense camera is awesome! But blinkfeed? Who needs it? Or at least who is using it?
Other than that.. Beats audio? GPE Rom has it too, just without the icon on the statusbar.
GPE Roms are faster and not full of bloat (IMO!)
So what's the real point behind this?
It's NOT a fighting thread or a thread like "OMG! Sense roms suck QQ mimimi" NO! I just want to know why you guys like sense roms much more? I'm just curious

I prefer the UI, being able to arrange my apps in folders without using the home screen. I actually use BlinkFeed quite a for my technology/science news.
I don't really find any bloat.
Most people buy HTC because of Sense, atleast I do. I prefer HTC's style over any other oem's.
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xxquicksh0txx said:
Most people buy HTC because of Sense, atleast I do. I prefer HTC's style over any other oem's.
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kewkie said:
Hey there,
i'm having my HTC for around 2 months now and never hold a senserom more than 15 minutes.
So, no matter on what forum i look, sense roms are much more popular and famous than GPE or even CM roms.
With my older Phones (Galaxy ace, Galaxy S plus, Galaxy S3) CM roms were (or still are) more popular, but on the HTC sense roms are much more popular. Whats the point?
I mean.. ok no doubt, the sense camera is awesome! But blinkfeed? Who needs it? Or at least who is using it?
Other than that.. Beats audio? GPE Rom has it too, just without the icon on the statusbar.
GPE Roms are faster and not full of bloat (IMO!)
So what's the real point behind this?
It's NOT a fighting thread or a thread like "OMG! Sense roms suck QQ mimimi" NO! I just want to know why you guys like sense roms much more? I'm just curious
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For me I just like it due to the fact its something different. My last 3 devices have had things like CM, SlimBean, etc. which are all more or less stock. I feel sense is minimal enough that its still snappy (not like touchwiz IMO) and I kind of like the sense lock screen on how it displays information. Thats just my opinion at least

I prefer aosp roms too. But WiFi calling is a must for me, and no other carrier has better rates.
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This thread is the equivalent of saying "why do people like different stuff than me"

Short answer: aosp got boring.
Long
Had gs2. Cm was the only way to get on point android updates that year.
Sense 5+ has been great and HTC is really on the ball with updates this year.

kewkie said:
Hey there,
i'm having my HTC for around 2 months now and never hold a senserom more than 15 minutes.
So, no matter on what forum i look, sense roms are much more popular and famous than GPE or even CM roms.
With my older Phones (Galaxy ace, Galaxy S plus, Galaxy S3) CM roms were (or still are) more popular, but on the HTC sense roms are much more popular. Whats the point?
I mean.. ok no doubt, the sense camera is awesome! But blinkfeed? Who needs it? Or at least who is using it?
Other than that.. Beats audio? GPE Rom has it too, just without the icon on the statusbar.
GPE Roms are faster and not full of bloat (IMO!)
So what's the real point behind this?
It's NOT a fighting thread or a thread like "OMG! Sense roms suck QQ mimimi" NO! I just want to know why you guys like sense roms much more? I'm just curious
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For starters Beats sounds a lot better on Sense roms to my ears, also stock Sense is pretty fluid if I'm being honest. GPE roms are faster in a sense but the difference is hardly noticeable and in fact I find the stock sense gallery to be a lot smoother than the stock gallery on the GPE roms. I have a lot of photos and whilst there isn't any lag on Sense I find a bit of lag in the stock gallery.
In regards to Samsung phones, CM was popular because people grew sick of how bloated Touchwiz is. Sense is of course larger than any GPE rom but they really nailed it in terms of speed, and its certainly faster than Touchwiz. I also find the battery life on GPE roms to be worse than on Stock sense. I'm currently on Sinless (GPE rom) and it's fast, like all other GPE roms. Still, I miss the Sense gallery, loudspeaker quality, longer battery life and data speed (my data is a bit slower on GPE roms).
I'm in the middle by the way. I switch roms quite often (from Sinless, to Insertcoin to ViperOne) and each version has their own pro's and cons but I certainly don't feel like I really really need to flash a GPE rom or CM unlike when I had my Galaxy S3

Thanks guys
And for the troll.. no its not "why do people like different stuff than me"... read the first post again, ty..
@Galactus Really? well, i never noticed the faster data speed, but what i noticed is that i got a more stable data, on GPE roms i have all 4 full bars.. on sense roms i have like 2-3 bars.. dont know why :/ using latest sense firmware.
Anyways, thanks again

kewkie said:
Thanks guys
And for the troll.. no its not "why do people like different stuff than me"... read the first post again, ty..
@Galactus Really? well, i never noticed the faster data speed, but what i noticed is that i got a more stable data, on GPE roms i have all 4 full bars.. on sense roms i have like 2-3 bars.. dont know why :/ using latest sense firmware.
Anyways, thanks again
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Best way to check is using an app or going into settings, about, status and seeing if your actually getting worse signal or not. My signal is the same on both but data definitely seems a bit faster (with less latency) on Sense roms

I really can't live without the sense camera. I fell in love with GPE, but the camera is a huge part of my smartphone use so had to revert to sense. If someone could port the sense camera again then I would spend all my time on GPE!

I check Blinkfeed like 3 times a day. I thinks it's very good

the reason i wont change is because i love blinkfeed ,it brings some animation to a boring otherwise OS ,i have tried every latest phone available and find the HTC One the best.

westentertainer said:
the reason i wont change is because i love blinkfeed ,it brings some animation to a boring otherwise OS ,i have tried every latest phone available and find the HTC One the best.
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+1 I love HTC's Sense and the One's hardware + build quality. I believe to be a perfect phone!

You will get a thousand different reasons from many people. Sense is more popular then say TouchWiz from samsung due to it being far more fluid. Htc Started on Sense long before android came to light so it is a bit more polished to some. But just like TW it adds features to the device that some people like.
On that note thread closed.