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Menu button

Please tell me you can get rid of that ugly black bar menu button in apps. Is there a way to route the menu button to holding down the back button or something? This will decide if I buy the phone or not.

Yes it is possible but at the moment only of you root. The option was available in pre release software so it's always possible HTC will include the option in a future update.
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tdingene said:
Yes it is possible but at the moment only of you root. The option was available in pre release software so it's always possible HTC will include the option in a future update.
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Thanks, guess I won't be purchasing the phone.

brian85 said:
Thanks, guess I won't be purchasing the phone.
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That's awesome. Glad u made such a wise decision.
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Wow, not purchasing the phone due to that? Come on dude, please tell me you are not that anal retentive over something so small.
Then again what is small to me, might be huge to someone else.
Losing out on what looks to be an awesome phone and may even be fixed with a future OTA update..
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How can you not purchase the phone over a silly problem as that?? anyways rooting is an option also wait for htc to update it

It's not a dealbreaker to me but I understand that it can be for someone as it takes away some screen real estate. For the same reason software buttons are a dealbreaker to so many people.

Because its annoying and takes up real estate on a screen that is only 4.7". I'm confident it will be fixed via software update. But if would sure piss me off until then. Assuming this thing ever gets released I the US... I'll still buy
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CreepyDroid said:
It's not a dealbreaker to me but I understand that it can be for someone as it takes away some screen real estate. For the same reason software buttons are a dealbreaker to so many people.
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CraigP17 said:
Because its annoying and takes up real estate on a screen that is only 4.7". I'm confident it will be fixed via software update. But if would sure piss me off until then. Assuming this thing ever gets released I the US... I'll still buy
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Both of these. It's annoying as hell and I don't want to "hack" my phone to get rid of it.
I'll wait and see if the US models have the option to get rid of it at launch. If not, different phone for me (I'm not going to wait for a software update that could "possibly" happen).

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flyaway9000 said:
How can you not purchase the phone over a silly problem as that?? anyways rooting is an option also wait for htc to update it
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Honestly... If this was the only new phone coming to the market this year your argument might make sense. I dunno his opinion but for me. I like having a consistent menu button and not having onscreen buttons... Now when you have this and the galaxy s IV among other phones coming out or currently out... And like some of the stuff with each, and one has something that you know aggravates you, it could be enough to send you to a different phone.
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I am the one who made the mod to remove that menu button on the screen and reverted back the option to map it on the back button. Apparently it's just a bug and they did not remove it. So expect it to be fixed/back on the next standard update when the phone is already released globally.
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Both of these. It's annoying as hell and I don't want to "hack" my phone to get rid of it.
I'll wait and see if the US models have the option to get rid of it at launch. If not, different phone for me (I'm not going to wait for a software update that could "possibly" happen).
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brian85 said:
Thanks, guess I won't be purchasing the phone.
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I thought exactly the same way and even cancelled my pre-order because of that but after playing around with a mates HTC One I was like.... woah this ain't as bad as I thought it would be and ordered one again a couple of days later.
Trust me with the screen as big as it is you end up with the same usable space with the menu bar as the Nexus 4 and I am sure a firmware fix will be coming in the future and/or apps will be updated to match the google guidelines (facebook are you seeing this!!!)
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I am the one who made the mod to remove that menu button on the screen and reverted back the option to map it on the back button. Apparently it's just a bug and they did not remove it. So expect it to be fixed/back on the next standard update when the phone is already released globally.
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Where did you hear it's just a bug and you expect it will be fixed in the next update?

Like I said I was the one who made that mod in the development section. Obviously I already know how it functions/why it's not showing up in the menu/why it's not working in the stock ROM. And the whole code was in there and intact. It was just not updated so it's not showing itself in the menu options.
If I translate the code in english language it goes like this.
Back menu option: Hey are you "HTC One-debug"?
HTC One: No I am "HTC One"
Back menu option: Sorry then you can't use me I'm only available on a device named "HTC One-debug" not "HTC One"
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So what I did was
HTC One: Hi!
Back menu option: Enough talk! Just use me.
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Sounds stupid if you're not a programmer but really! That's whats happening there! lol
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I thought exactly the same way and even cancelled my pre-order because of that but after playing around with a mates HTC One I was like.... woah this ain't as bad as I thought it would be and ordered one again a couple of days later.
Trust me with the screen as big as it is you end up with the same usable space with the menu bar as the Nexus 4 and I am sure a firmware fix will be coming in the future and/or apps will be updated to match the google guidelines (facebook are you seeing this!!!)
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Where did you hear it's just a bug and you expect it will be fixed in the next update?
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Riyal said:
Like I said I was the one who made that mod in the development section. Obviously I already know how it functions/why it's not showing up in the menu/why it's not working in the stock ROM. And the whole code was in there and intact. It was just not updated so it's not showing itself in the menu options.
If I translate the code in english language it goes like this.
So what I did was
Sounds stupid if you're not a programmer but really! That's whats happening there! lol
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I asked about where did you hear the information about the fix in the next update not kiddie speak for explaining how you fixed the issue.

1. Properly designed apps that use Google's design framework will have an in-app menu button. So no black menu bar. Vast majority of apps now won't require the black bar.
2. HTC got rid of it on the One X when user feedback said they wanted it gone. I see no reason to assume they won't do it again if enough people say they don't want it.

Like I said it's just a minor bug. HTC just skipped updating this one piece of code for it to work on the production units.
Meh! I give up! lol
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I asked about where did you hear the information about the fix in the next update not kiddie speak for explaining how you fixed the issue.
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daleski75 said:
I asked about where did you hear the information about the fix in the next update not kiddie speak for explaining how you fixed the issue.
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He was merely explaining how the bug worked to point out that mapping Menu to Long-Back option is, actually, meant to still be there. HTC simply forgot to make sure that scripts in all places were talking about the same device.
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I know it's a bug and how he fixed it but let me quote what he said...
Apparently it's just a bug and they did not remove it. So expect it to be fixed/back on the next standard update when the phone is already released globally.
Was this bit just guessing or is it from a well known source??

JesseMT4G said:
Wow, not purchasing the phone due to that? Come on dude, please tell me you are not that anal retentive over something so small.
Then again what is small to me, might be huge to someone else.
Losing out on what looks to be an awesome phone and may even be fixed with a future OTA update..
Sent from a galaxy far away!
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Flaming isnt necessary really
People use their phone differently, its the same reason why theres never a "best rom" or a rom with the "best battery life"
And to the other comments, its likely not to be patched so that they have more reasons to sell a "developer" version

I may have a bad news related on HTC to bring back button remapping options.
Just saw engadget chinese mention in their HTC One review about that Google MIGHT be the force behind that lead to HTC sudden removal the remapping option from HTC One's newer ROM because Google insisting the menu button must somehow be 'observable' on sight.
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[Q] Can I root my Note 3 AT&T?

The model number is N900A. I did get my phone through AT&T. I've heard that there are some serious problems rooting and installed roms etc through AT&T and Verizon. The Note 3 is my first Android device and I would have to say I'm in love with this phone. What I'm not in love with are all these apps and other nonsense running in my background. I hear rooting and installing different roms can solve this. I have used Clean Master from the app store to clear cache and free up RAM, but moments later these same apps open right back up. The Note 3 has 2.4GB of RAM available, correct? I haven't put much on this phone in the way of apps. I did put some music and bought one app to change the icons on my phone. When I check Clean Master, I'm always using between 1.6-1.8GB of RAM. Thinking to myself, "what is the purpose of Clean Master if all of these annoying apps just open themselves back up?"
Other thoughts would be:
How much RAM will I free up by rooting(assuming of course it's possible)and installing a fairly simple ROM to change the overall look and feel? I'm looking for simplicity. Just want something that works, doesn't eat a lot of my RAM, and isn't known for a lot of bugs/issues.
I'm hoping some of this information helps someone help me. I'm currently running 4.3. I've also researched some of the positives and negatives of rooting and installing roms. It seems worth it if I can free up some RAM and get rid of all these apps and such running in the background.

I have a Att&t and I'm rooted.....No problems 4 days or more battery life and love it!
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GalaxyNotesTx said:
I have a Att&t and I'm rooted.....No problems 4 days or more battery life and love it!
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That's great, glad to hear it. Care to point me in the direction of the method you used to do so? Would prefer a simple step by step tutorial/video. Also, are you able to run any roms/mods?

IcyRhythms said:
That's great, glad to hear it. Care to point me in the direction of the method you used to do so? Would prefer a simple step by step tutorial/video. Also, are you able to run any roms/mods?
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if you just want to keep apps from loading you can go under setting general application manager and select the app you want click it and pick turn off
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if you still want to root look in the general section on here for kingo to do custom roms go to development section and look for bootstrap make sure you read and know what you are doing before doing it you can mess up your phone

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if you just want to keep apps from loading you can go under setting general application manager and select the app you want click it and pick turn off
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It would be nice to remove them completely. There is so much pre-installed software on this phone that I can't be certain what should or shouldn't be turned off.
Just want the basics. Facebook, text, Gmail, phone calls, and the play store to work and I'm good.

IcyRhythms said:
It would be nice to remove them completely. There is so much pre-installed software on this phone that I can't be certain what should or shouldn't be turned off.
Just want the basics. Facebook, text, Gmail, phone calls, and the play store to work and I'm good.
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turning them off makes the phone think they are removed the good thing about it is it will not allow you to turn off anything critical all the att stuff can be turned off and i edited my post above

jerrycoffman45 said:
turning them off makes the phone think they are removed the good thing about it is it will not allow you to turn off anything critical all the att stuff can be turned off and i edited my post above
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Thanks again
The Kingo Root seems very simple. Think I'll do that and then maybe look into some roms.

jerrycoffman45 said:
if you just want to keep apps from loading you can go under setting general application manager and select the app you want click it and pick turn off
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if you still want to root look in the general section on here for kingo to do custom roms go to development section and look for bootstrap make sure you read and know what you are doing before doing it you can mess up your phone
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You mentioned bootstrap. I don't see bootstrap when doing a search. I only see Safestrap.

Safestrap is the method used to install custom roms...bootstrap was prolly an auto correct typo. Just follow the Safestrap method 100% and you should be good. When you pick a rom make sure you read the 1st post throughly and entirely. ..Most roms come with all the att/samsung bloat ...you will prolly still have to weed through and disable them. Good luck and have fun
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Safestrap is the method used to install custom roms...bootstrap was prolly an auto correct typo. Just follow the Safestrap method 100% and you should be good. When you pick a rom make sure you read the 1st post throughly and entirely. ..Most roms come with all the att/samsung bloat ...you will prolly still have to weed through and disable them. Good luck and have fun
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Thanks for that. Do you know if CynogenMod 11 is supported on the Note 3/AT&T?

IcyRhythms said:
You mentioned bootstrap. I don't see bootstrap when doing a search. I only see Safestrap.
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thats it auto correct got me

IcyRhythms said:
Thanks for that. Do you know if CynogenMod 11 is supported on the Note 3/AT&T?
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You have not read about safestrap yet have you? You can't really flash anything to this phone but safestrap gives you sort of a work around at the cost of internal or external SD card space. As for CM11, that is a big no. Only slightly modified stock like ROMS work right now and as I said they are not truly flashed to the device. Safestrap lets you set your phone up sort of like a dual or multi boot PC. At boot up you pic which of up to four ROMS you want it to use.

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You have not read about safestrap yet have you? You can't really flash anything to this phone but safestrap gives you sort of a work around at the cost of internal or external SD card space. As for CM11, that is a big no. Only slightly modified stock like ROMS work right now and as I said they are not truly flashed to the device. Safestrap lets you set your phone up sort of like a dual or multi boot PC. At boot up you pic which of up to four ROMS you want it to use.
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Any word on if/when that will be a possibility?

Also, meant to ask earlier(it's also a little too late since I've already done it)does using Kingo Root disable Samsung/AT&T updates like KitKat?(still blows me away that KitKat has yet to release for this phone on AT&T)

IcyRhythms said:
The Note 3 has 2.4GB of RAM available, correct? I haven't put much on this phone in the way of apps.
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Nothing to do with RAM. RAM is where apps run. When you install an app it gets installed to storage (think of storage like the hard drive on a desktop computer).
When I check Clean Master, I'm always using between 1.6-1.8GB of RAM. Thinking to myself, "what is the purpose of Clean Master if all of these annoying apps just open themselves back up?"
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In Windows, the more free RAM you have, the better. In Android, any unused RAM is wasted RAM. As soon as you free up some RAM, Android's memory manager is going to load something in the newly freed space. RAM cleaning programs are a waste of battery, a waste of time (both yours and the computer's) and a waste of storage (the space they're stored in). Android has a great memory manager - let it do its thing.
How much RAM will I free up by rooting
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None. You'll be using storage to store su, busybox and SuperSU. Rooting has nothing to do with RAM.
installing a fairly simple ROM to change the overall look and feel?
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Install Nova Launcher. It's an app, not a ROM, so there's no warranty issue, no bricking issue and it's a welcome change from the monkey-designed TouchWiz. (The old joke that if you sat a million monkeys at a million typewriters for a million years, eventually they'd have written all of Shakespeare's works? They'd also have written TouchWiz.)
Just want something that works, doesn't eat a lot of my RAM
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The amount of RAM an app uses is determined by the app, not by the ROM or the launcher (which is the "look" of the phone when you turn it on).
and isn't known for a lot of bugs/issues.
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The stock ROM works, doesn't use that much storage (I collect apps like junkyard dogs collect fleas, and I have just a hair under 29GB of free internal storage - and a lot of junk apps I have to uninstall, because I just downloaded to help people. And as far as bugs go ... I haven't seen any in general (I had to return 2 Note 3s and one of the ones I have now, which is a refurb, may also have to go back - but that's all hardware issues). If you want looks you change launchers and lock screens. (And there's a lot you can do with the settings to make things look different.)
There's really only one reason to root - because you need (or really want) to run an app that needs root permissions.
There's really only one reason to run a different ROM - because it has features that you want that the stock ROM doesn't.
All the rest is experimentation, fun and watching geniuses (and there are a lot of them on xda) at work. But remember, rooting alone voids the warranty. ROMming not only voids the warranty, it can mess up your phone. Is it $700 worth of fun? That's for you to decide. Rooting (as long as you don't use root status to mess anything up) is safe. ROMming, not so much. Still fixable - in most cases - but the first time you're stuck in a boot loop, you'll panic longer than it takes to reflash the phone.
some of the positives and negatives of rooting and installing roms. It seems worth it if I can free up some RAM
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If you run Kit Kat you'll free up some RAM, but the official update will be out soon anyway
and get rid of all these apps and such running in the background.
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Turn them off.
People are taking molehills and making Olympus Mons out of them. There are so many much simpler solutions to so many of the "problems" people want to "solve" by rooting or changing ROMs.
Oh, I forgot one other very important reason to root, and as a child of the 60s it should have been the first one to occur to me - sticking it to the man.

Thanks for all the help to those that responded. The last reply in particular would have been very helpful had a I not jumped the gun yesterday. I rooted my phone yesterday. DIDN'T try anything else like new themes/roms. Just rooted the phone. After about an hour the phone having issues. Freezing. Apps not opening. Then, I unrooted. Haven't had a freeze since, but the phone is still doing odd things it wasn't doing before. Apps appear to be taking longer open etc...I went to send a text message about an hour ago and when I clicked on the text to begin typing the big envelope icon covered the entire screen looking very pixelated. ugh....

Not enough space??

Anyway to work around this?? So I'm using Google music but it won't let me download it to my phone stating not enough space. I have more than enough but but I guess its reading the system storage which was noted to get messed up.

Either buy an external sd, or flash back to stock, download music and then flash whatever ROM you like.
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mumbo jumbo said:
Anyway to work around this?? So I'm using Google music but it won't let me download it to my phone stating not enough space. I have more than enough but but I guess its reading the system storage which was noted to get messed up.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "which was noted to get messed up".

Agent said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "which was noted to get messed up".
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Under" general " where it talks about....
Issues with safestrap
-Sometimes the storage is messed up and shows that you are using all your memory, when you really are not.If you use a different app to check, then you should see your real memory usage.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "which was noted to get messed up".
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Like the system thinks that storage is full, even when it isn't. I got this issue after I rooted and installed safestrap, but I use an external sd anyways.
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I just ended up downloading the file to dropbox and bringing it in that way.

Got it. Now...ROOT

Just as the title implies. So far this seems to be a great phone. Picked up the 128GB White. Pre-ordered. Shipped today, but, without ROOT I'll lose some of my favorite apps, and I'm not sure that I'll be able to transfer everything, like MMS. For some reason Kies doesn't like my phone, or maybe I've hit some soft limit trying to backup 35K SMS/MMS. I have an S4, skipped the S5

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Just as the title implies. So far this seems to be a great phone. Picked up the 128GB White. Pre-ordered. Shipped today, but, without ROOT I'll lose some of my favorite apps, and I'm not sure that I'll be able to transfer everything, like MMS. For some reason Kies doesn't like my phone, or maybe I've hit some soft limit trying to backup 35K SMS/MMS. I have an S4, skipped the S5
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Good luck with root, the note 4 for AT&T hasn't gained root in the 6 months it's been released.
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2swizzle said:
Good luck with root, the note 4 for AT&T hasn't gained root in the 6 months it's been released.
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Yeah, it took a while for the 5 with a bounty. I'm guessing there's a larger community for yr phones

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Yeah, it took a while for the 5 with a bounty. I'm guessing there's a larger community for yr phones
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whats the serial number on the back of the AT&T phones?

dirtyballoonot said:
Just as the title implies. So far this seems to be a great phone. Picked up the 128GB White. Pre-ordered. Shipped today, but, without ROOT I'll lose some of my favorite apps, and I'm not sure that I'll be able to transfer everything, like MMS. For some reason Kies doesn't like my phone, or maybe I've hit some soft limit trying to backup 35K SMS/MMS. I have an S4, skipped the S5
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Yeah, Kies doesn't work with S6 series. Smart Switch was faster, anyway, but I do miss my root...

Morvidus said:
Yeah, Kies doesn't work with S6 series. Smart Switch was faster, anyway, but I do miss my root...
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Smart Switch took me about 6 hours, and didn't restore all of my accounts, non of the call logs, and no app data, but, it did transfer MMS/SMS, so, there's that.

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Smart Switch took me about 6 hours, and didn't restore all of my accounts, non of the call logs, and no app data, but, it did transfer MMS/SMS, so, there's that.
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Kies never worked with app data on my S4, but I used Titanium for apps anyway. With 20GB of music and video on my SD card and around 1200 SMS, it took about an hour and a half. My call logs did transfer, though.

some one should start a thread for a bounty for root. Or find geohot lol. We could use a towel root like root or exploit.

R1CKJ4MES said:
whats the serial number on the back of the AT&T phones?
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SM-G925A

Not aloud to post anything so if you know what I'm thinking please let me know.

R1CKJ4MES said:
Not aloud to post anything so if you know what I'm thinking please let me know.
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Are you saying you have root?
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I just want root to get rid of the all the damn blotware. I disabled most of them but they still take up memory. And there is still about 5 apps the phone wont let me disable.
I also would like to change the screen DPI so that i have 5 apps across in the app drawer

krolla03 said:
I also would like to change the screen DPI so that i have 5 apps across in the app drawer
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you don't have to change the screen DPI to do this. if you mean you want 5 apps across the bottom instead of 4, simply drag a new shortcut into the bar and it will resize itself to hold 5 icons. if you're talking about the grid itself, and changing from 4x4 to 4x5 or 5x5, you can do that by holding your finger on one of the small squares (that tells you which tab you're on). it will bring up a custom menu that allows you to change the screen grid settings.
as for wanting root, i'm looking for a wi-fi tethering option. this was built into the custom ROM i had on my S3, and i'm hoping someone can do the same on the S6!

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you don't have to change the screen DPI to do this. if you mean you want 5 apps across the bottom instead of 4, simply drag a new shortcut into the bar and it will resize itself to hold 5 icons. if you're talking about the grid itself, and changing from 4x4 to 4x5 or 5x5, you can do that by holding your finger on one of the small squares (that tells you which tab you're on). it will bring up a custom menu that allows you to change the screen grid settings.
as for wanting root, i'm looking for a wi-fi tethering option. this was built into the custom ROM i had on my S3, and i'm hoping someone can do the same on the S6!
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I know about the launcher
And i already changed my home screens to 4x5. Im talking about the app drawer. Where you go to see all the rest of your apps.

krolla03 said:
I know about the launcher
And i already changed my home screens to 4x5. Im talking about the app drawer. Where you go to see all the rest of your apps.
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I use Nova Launcher prime and it has all sorts of options like that. But as far as the stock launcher goes I think you may be out of luck
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Pure+ said:
I use Nova Launcher prime and it has all sorts of options like that. But as far as the stock launcher goes I think you may be out of luck
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Yeah i used Nova on my Nexus 5. If i had root i could change the DPI to make it have 5 across.
But i may have to switch to Nova on here too.

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Yeah i used Nova on my Nexus 5. If i had root i could change the DPI to make it have 5 across.
But i may have to switch to Nova on here too.
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And it doesn't hurt that nova gets you closer to that stock feel either.
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2swizzle said:
Good luck with root, the note 4 for AT&T hasn't gained root in the 6 months it's been released.
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You will have to excuse my ignorance i'm not a big android user, just got my new s6 edge att and i have only rooted my tablet in the past to remove bloat. Can you tell me why the att model phones take so long to root?
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Who knows. It only started with the S5. Before then we had zero day roots. It really stinks, because if any phone could use it the edge could. It's highly under utilized, the lack of apps you can add in ultra power saving mode is silly. FB, but no email? The bloat, etc.

I don't have much background on this, but how is it that the Tmobile and Sprint version are already rooted so quickly? I'll have to refresh my memory on the whole root process and roms but why is it that these att phones are also not rooted at quickly?

Full system partition after 6.0.1 update.

Alright, so let me start by saying I read around and I know it's normal, Google just decided to pack the system partition full this time around, but when using the diskinfo app, it shows that there are 0B of unused data! Is that right? Not a single byte? Haha that's weird that Google would choose this! And I know you can delete some Google bloatware to get some space back. Anyways, question here is, is everyone else at 0B after this 6.0.1 update?
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Mines full up as well, or at least it was til I made room for cataclysm. Google makes stock with the idea that you'll never touch the /system ever so having it 100% full just means Google is using every bit of space available to them trying to keep from using internal storage space for their google apps.

As others have said and done, delete some unused Google apps from /system/apps or some foreign language keyboards from /system.

JimSmith94 said:
As others have said and done, delete some unused Google apps from /system/apps or some foreign language keyboards from /system.
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Yes, I've seen this said in many threads, I made this thread just to see if everyone else had 0B of memory open.
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StykerB said:
Mines full up as well, or at least it was til I made room for cataclysm. Google makes stock with the idea that you'll never touch the /system ever so having it 100% full just means Google is using every bit of space available to them trying to keep from using internal storage space for their google apps.
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It's strange really! Thanks for the input though! Glad it's supposed to be this full, I was starting to even think there might be left over files from flashing or something strange like that! Lol
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H4X0R46 said:
It's strange really! Thanks for the input though! Glad it's supposed to be this full, I was starting to even think there might be left over files from flashing or something strange like that! Lol
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Empty space is not full but "reserved"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64208563&postcount=3393

I did a comparison between the system partition of the MMB29K factory image and my AOSP MMB29K based rom with Benzo Gapps which is quite full and the difference is 1,3 GB. The difference is actually about 100M less, because a couple of Google apps is called Prebuilt-something, and it differs from the Gapps installed. So if anybody needs space on system, there's a lot of things to delete from.

This was done to prevent things like xposed. With the more strict root setup and this Google is making it harder and harder for things like xposed which google wants to put an end to.

zelendel said:
This was done to prevent things like xposed. With the more strict root setup and this Google is making it harder and harder for things like xposed which google wants to put an end to.
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I sincerely doubt it. I don't think Google cares about any software particularly. It's more to stop those messing with their system partition that are not entirely sure what they are doing.

istperson said:
I sincerely doubt it. I don't think Google cares about any software particularly. It's more to stop those messing with their system partition that are not entirely sure what they are doing.
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Don't be mistaken. Google doesn't like what we do here.

zelendel said:
Don't be mistaken. Google doesn't like what we do here.
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I don't doubt that for a second. I just don'T believe that that is the main reason the system partition is being filled to the brim.

zelendel said:
This was done to prevent things like xposed. With the more strict root setup and this Google is making it harder and harder for things like xposed which google wants to put an end to.
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I really wouldn't doubt it! I was thinking maybe to put an end to root or something like that! Now you have to delete some of the Google bloatware to install traditional root or xposed! I just wonder how they're going to update the Nexus 6 to the next version of Android with no space to work with, unless it is just reserved space and done on purpose.

Droidphilev said:
Empty space is not full but "reserved"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64208563&postcount=3393
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Just now read that post, well that's just strange! Like I said, I wonder how Google will update this phone further with the next version of Android!

The nexus 5 did the same thing when it was updated to lollipop, it had a 1gb system partition, now the nexus 6 is doing it with a 2gb system partition, the nexus 6p has a 3gb partition, and it wouldn't surprise me android Nougat or Nutella or whatever will probably fill it up too for whatever reason.

StykerB said:
The nexus 5 did the same thing when it was updated to lollipop, it had a 1gb system partition, now the nexus 6 is doing it with a 2gb system partition, the nexus 6p has a 3gb partition, and it wouldn't surprise me android Nougat or Nutella or whatever will probably fill it up too for whatever reason.
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The 6P has a 3GB partition? Wow! That's kinda neat actually lol and I just checked the disk space on my sisters Nexus 5 and yea! It's nearly full with a few MB open! And that phone has a locked bootloader and never had any mods installed, it's clean lol That's interesting and I wonder what they're real reasoning is. It could very well be that they don't like system mods on their phones, but like everything else, XDA devs find a way around that almost instantly! Hence the reason people are deleting Google bloatware apps and installing them through the play store! Easy work around
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H4X0R46 said:
The 6P has a 3GB partition? Wow! That's kinda neat actually lol and I just checked the disk space on my sisters Nexus 5 and yea! It's nearly full with a few MB open! And that phone has a locked bootloader and never had any mods installed, it's clean lol That's interesting and I wonder what they're real reasoning is. It could very well be that they don't like system mods on their phones, but like everything else, XDA devs find a way around that almost instantly! Hence the reason people are deleting Google bloatware apps and installing them through the play store! Easy work around
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The main reason is simple. Google doesnt think people need to mess with the system partition so wasted space is pointless.
No they dont like us messing with it and to be honest it has been a bain to their devices and os. Sooner or later they will find a way to lock it completely down.

zelendel said:
The main reason is simple. Google doesnt think people need to mess with the system partition so wasted space is pointless.
No they dont like us messing with it and to be honest it has been a bain to their devices and os. Sooner or later they will find a way to lock it completely down.
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I sure hope not! That would be awful! :/ people buy a Nexus for the development community and the mods that are out there! But XDA devs work fast, there will be a way to change that rather quickly if this happens! [emoji14] But like I said, that would be awful! Chainfire's systemless root is a huge step in the right direction though! Having root in the boot.img so you can remove bloatware!

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I sure hope not! That would be awful! :/ people buy a Nexus for the development community and the mods that are out there! But XDA devs work fast, there will be a way to change that rather quickly if this happens! [emoji14] But like I said, that would be awful! Chainfire's systemless root is a huge step in the right direction though! Having root in the boot.img so you can remove bloatware!
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Have you been readin just what he has been saying about it? Even for the nexus Root is not seen as a good thing. Dont get me wrong doesnt matter to me anyway as I dont use google based roms myself so it is just a matter of compiling the new build.
But it is happening. If you step back like a few of us have you can see it coming. Even more and more apps from the play store are looking for things like root and xposed and refusing to work if they are detected.

zelendel said:
Have you been readin just what he has been saying about it? Even for the nexus Root is not seen as a good thing. Dont get me wrong doesnt matter to me anyway as I dont use google based roms myself so it is just a matter of compiling the new build.
But it is happening. If you step back like a few of us have you can see it coming. Even more and more apps from the play store are looking for things like root and xposed and refusing to work if they are detected.
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Oh wow! That's the first I'm hearing of this! I really like Android for it's flexibility and open source licensing, that bums me out. :/ Well thanks for bringing that to my attention! I'll read up on that.

H4X0R46 said:
Oh wow! That's the first I'm hearing of this! I really like Android for it's flexibility and open source licensing, that bums me out. :/ Well thanks for bringing that to my attention! I'll read up on that.
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This is a very common misconception. Only the android kernel is open source. The rest is not. Only AOSP (different then google android) is open source. The flexibility that Google was talking about was being able to change launchers, SMS apps and things like that. They dont really want you messing with the OS.