Alright, so let me start by saying I read around and I know it's normal, Google just decided to pack the system partition full this time around, but when using the diskinfo app, it shows that there are 0B of unused data! Is that right? Not a single byte? Haha that's weird that Google would choose this! And I know you can delete some Google bloatware to get some space back. Anyways, question here is, is everyone else at 0B after this 6.0.1 update?
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Mines full up as well, or at least it was til I made room for cataclysm. Google makes stock with the idea that you'll never touch the /system ever so having it 100% full just means Google is using every bit of space available to them trying to keep from using internal storage space for their google apps.
As others have said and done, delete some unused Google apps from /system/apps or some foreign language keyboards from /system.
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As others have said and done, delete some unused Google apps from /system/apps or some foreign language keyboards from /system.
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Yes, I've seen this said in many threads, I made this thread just to see if everyone else had 0B of memory open.
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StykerB said:
Mines full up as well, or at least it was til I made room for cataclysm. Google makes stock with the idea that you'll never touch the /system ever so having it 100% full just means Google is using every bit of space available to them trying to keep from using internal storage space for their google apps.
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It's strange really! Thanks for the input though! Glad it's supposed to be this full, I was starting to even think there might be left over files from flashing or something strange like that! Lol
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H4X0R46 said:
It's strange really! Thanks for the input though! Glad it's supposed to be this full, I was starting to even think there might be left over files from flashing or something strange like that! Lol
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Empty space is not full but "reserved"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64208563&postcount=3393
I did a comparison between the system partition of the MMB29K factory image and my AOSP MMB29K based rom with Benzo Gapps which is quite full and the difference is 1,3 GB. The difference is actually about 100M less, because a couple of Google apps is called Prebuilt-something, and it differs from the Gapps installed. So if anybody needs space on system, there's a lot of things to delete from.
This was done to prevent things like xposed. With the more strict root setup and this Google is making it harder and harder for things like xposed which google wants to put an end to.
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This was done to prevent things like xposed. With the more strict root setup and this Google is making it harder and harder for things like xposed which google wants to put an end to.
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I sincerely doubt it. I don't think Google cares about any software particularly. It's more to stop those messing with their system partition that are not entirely sure what they are doing.
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I sincerely doubt it. I don't think Google cares about any software particularly. It's more to stop those messing with their system partition that are not entirely sure what they are doing.
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Don't be mistaken. Google doesn't like what we do here.
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Don't be mistaken. Google doesn't like what we do here.
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I don't doubt that for a second. I just don'T believe that that is the main reason the system partition is being filled to the brim.
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This was done to prevent things like xposed. With the more strict root setup and this Google is making it harder and harder for things like xposed which google wants to put an end to.
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I really wouldn't doubt it! I was thinking maybe to put an end to root or something like that! Now you have to delete some of the Google bloatware to install traditional root or xposed! I just wonder how they're going to update the Nexus 6 to the next version of Android with no space to work with, unless it is just reserved space and done on purpose.
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Empty space is not full but "reserved"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64208563&postcount=3393
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Just now read that post, well that's just strange! Like I said, I wonder how Google will update this phone further with the next version of Android!
The nexus 5 did the same thing when it was updated to lollipop, it had a 1gb system partition, now the nexus 6 is doing it with a 2gb system partition, the nexus 6p has a 3gb partition, and it wouldn't surprise me android Nougat or Nutella or whatever will probably fill it up too for whatever reason.
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The nexus 5 did the same thing when it was updated to lollipop, it had a 1gb system partition, now the nexus 6 is doing it with a 2gb system partition, the nexus 6p has a 3gb partition, and it wouldn't surprise me android Nougat or Nutella or whatever will probably fill it up too for whatever reason.
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The 6P has a 3GB partition? Wow! That's kinda neat actually lol and I just checked the disk space on my sisters Nexus 5 and yea! It's nearly full with a few MB open! And that phone has a locked bootloader and never had any mods installed, it's clean lol That's interesting and I wonder what they're real reasoning is. It could very well be that they don't like system mods on their phones, but like everything else, XDA devs find a way around that almost instantly! Hence the reason people are deleting Google bloatware apps and installing them through the play store! Easy work around
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The 6P has a 3GB partition? Wow! That's kinda neat actually lol and I just checked the disk space on my sisters Nexus 5 and yea! It's nearly full with a few MB open! And that phone has a locked bootloader and never had any mods installed, it's clean lol That's interesting and I wonder what they're real reasoning is. It could very well be that they don't like system mods on their phones, but like everything else, XDA devs find a way around that almost instantly! Hence the reason people are deleting Google bloatware apps and installing them through the play store! Easy work around
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The main reason is simple. Google doesnt think people need to mess with the system partition so wasted space is pointless.
No they dont like us messing with it and to be honest it has been a bain to their devices and os. Sooner or later they will find a way to lock it completely down.
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The main reason is simple. Google doesnt think people need to mess with the system partition so wasted space is pointless.
No they dont like us messing with it and to be honest it has been a bain to their devices and os. Sooner or later they will find a way to lock it completely down.
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I sure hope not! That would be awful! :/ people buy a Nexus for the development community and the mods that are out there! But XDA devs work fast, there will be a way to change that rather quickly if this happens! [emoji14] But like I said, that would be awful! Chainfire's systemless root is a huge step in the right direction though! Having root in the boot.img so you can remove bloatware!
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I sure hope not! That would be awful! :/ people buy a Nexus for the development community and the mods that are out there! But XDA devs work fast, there will be a way to change that rather quickly if this happens! [emoji14] But like I said, that would be awful! Chainfire's systemless root is a huge step in the right direction though! Having root in the boot.img so you can remove bloatware!
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Have you been readin just what he has been saying about it? Even for the nexus Root is not seen as a good thing. Dont get me wrong doesnt matter to me anyway as I dont use google based roms myself so it is just a matter of compiling the new build.
But it is happening. If you step back like a few of us have you can see it coming. Even more and more apps from the play store are looking for things like root and xposed and refusing to work if they are detected.
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Have you been readin just what he has been saying about it? Even for the nexus Root is not seen as a good thing. Dont get me wrong doesnt matter to me anyway as I dont use google based roms myself so it is just a matter of compiling the new build.
But it is happening. If you step back like a few of us have you can see it coming. Even more and more apps from the play store are looking for things like root and xposed and refusing to work if they are detected.
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Oh wow! That's the first I'm hearing of this! I really like Android for it's flexibility and open source licensing, that bums me out. :/ Well thanks for bringing that to my attention! I'll read up on that.
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Oh wow! That's the first I'm hearing of this! I really like Android for it's flexibility and open source licensing, that bums me out. :/ Well thanks for bringing that to my attention! I'll read up on that.
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This is a very common misconception. Only the android kernel is open source. The rest is not. Only AOSP (different then google android) is open source. The flexibility that Google was talking about was being able to change launchers, SMS apps and things like that. They dont really want you messing with the OS.
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I see a lot of porting and creating being done such as Hero roms, Blur, Pulse, and everything else we can get out hands on (and I'm thankful for all of it)
But I was curious if we could make mixture rom with a little bit of everything.
I really like the Pulse's Canvas 3x3 home screen display
And the Behold ii's Notification bar with shortcuts to the wifi,gps, etc.
Hero's this
Blur's that.
Etc.
Would if be too much of a mess with framework and odex's files to mash into one rom?
Highly possible, and very easy... All you need is the source code to all the ROMs you are mixing.... So let me reword that - Highly impossible, and very hard.
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Highly possible, and very easy... All you need is the source code to all the ROMs you are mixing.... So let me reword that - Highly impossible, and very hard.
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lol Nicely put
EDIT: WOOHOO POST 1000
It might be possible but I think we'd struggle to fit it on a g1 anyway.. By the time you've ported all the neccessary framework to support everything, I think you'd be way past the 90-odd meg we have to play with.... and that's assuming all those packages would play nicely together in the first place.. I'm not about to try it.
Aw shucks, it's a beautiful idea though you all have to admit lol.
But ok well my minute is up I don't mind this thread being moved or deleted thanks guys
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It might be possible but I think we'd struggle to fit it on a g1 anyway.. By the time you've ported all the neccessary framework to support everything, I think you'd be way past the 90-odd meg we have to play with.... and that's assuming all those packages would play nicely together in the first place.. I'm not about to try it.
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90?? I thought the G1 could take up to like a 100+
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90?? I thought the G1 could take up to like a 100+
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And that, dear boy, is why your updates failed. Past about 92 MB you exceed the system allowable update size. We haven't gotten an update that installs directly to the ext yet, although we could do it that way...
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And that, dear boy, is why your updates failed. Past about 92 MB you exceed the system allowable update size. We haven't gotten an update that installs directly to the ext yet, although we could do it that way...
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XD hahha. did i mention i love you twisted? your post quality is off the charts
In all seriousness, though, get an update.zip to mount the ext before install and you could put the apps directly on it and just symlink the folder temporarily for first boot, then let the system remove and recreate the link...
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In all seriousness, though, get an update.zip to mount the ext before install and you could put the apps directly on it and just symlink the folder temporarily for first boot, then let the system remove and recreate the link...
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That's true. I think we really have something here. Perhaps this thread could become a think tank for getting 100Mb+ roms working. Yes? The only thing is... we don't have a 100Mb+ rom to work on... Hm...
there's a rom floating around here that manages something similar, it's a hero rom with hero apps and the blur launcher with some mixed anims and visuals, a personal favorite of mine, you should check it out, I think it's by diaztradeinc, but I'm not sure, I'll look it up and let you know
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In all seriousness, though, get an update.zip to mount the ext before install and you could put the apps directly on it and just symlink the folder temporarily for first boot, then let the system remove and recreate the link...
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So edit the update-script and set the symlinking on the firstboot.sh?
format everything lol
we could format the whole g1 and add the stuffs that we need
or format a 2gb and up sdcard to ext3-4 and put everything on it
I was planning to that. I was trying to put all files from the g1 hard drive to my sdcard but ran out of space. In theory it is possible but you will need a very motived dev to do this.
I think this was the one, but now that I saw it, it looks like this one uses a rosie skinned like the blur's launcher. I remember I had seen another one that actually used the blur launcher on the hero apps/framework, I'd need to dig a bit deeper
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567122
oh, and, honestly, even if we had the source for every single release, I'm very, very sure you still wouldn't see some sort of mashup rom. Why? think about what has been done so far with the available source from android? Other than a few modifications to Launcher, mms, phone, and settings apks (and stericson's lockscreen mods), there's been very little done from the code. Why? because most people here don't even know java. Having the source would still be useless to most people here, let alone actually making something out of it. So, actually, in the mean time, it seems that if this is going to work, the way it's going to be done is the easy way, the way it's been done up to now, just mash things together and force them to work.
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just mash things together and force them to work.
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This could be my epitaph...
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there's a rom floating around here that manages something similar, it's a hero rom with hero apps and the blur launcher with some mixed anims and visuals, a personal favorite of mine, you should check it out, I think it's by diaztradeinc, but I'm not sure, I'll look it up and let you know
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I believe this WAS the rom u were looking for. I dl'ed it a long time ago, but never flashed it so I couldn't tell u for sure. Its been long since deleated, so I can't try for u now, sorry.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=557982
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I believe this WAS the rom u were looking for. I dl'ed it a long time ago, but never flashed it so I couldn't tell u for sure. Its been long since deleated, so I can't try for u now, sorry.
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Nah, that wasn't it. Most (all?) of drizzy's roms were a joke anyway. I have the rom somewhere in my computer (did I mention I have like 30 GB of roms that I've downloaded? basically, if it's on androidspin, it's on my computer too), so I'll look for it.
To be honest guys I don't think space is a problem at all.
While everyone is going around asking if the g1 will get the 2.0 update I'm very confident we'll be running android 3.0 on our g1's eventually we'll just need to figure out a way to put it on the sd card which I'm sure we can figure out.
It's a shame though, I was hoping we should manage something like that.
A home replacement that uses the Pulse's canvas
Some editis to the notification bar.
Etc etc etc.
But I guess it ties into what someone said about not knowing how to write in the specific code needed which is understandable.
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But I guess it ties into what someone said about not knowing how to write in the specific code needed which is understandable.
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Not yet...since ive been here reading and following along (+ testing ofcourse ) for over a year now, people have progressed amazingly here! More and more are starting to figure out that this is something we all should invest in. Give it more time, more people will learn or come through that are genius coders.
Down the road I absolutely see people writing their own androids, like linux is now. Distributions (or highly modified current builds).
Sort of how hero changed everything, we had the basic one tab at the bottom, then all of a sudden this came out and we had many tabs and new interactions.
Anything is possible with this, just give maybe another 6 months, but def. a year will bring some talent through. Just hope the g1 holds till then
hello everyone, I installed Trickdroid 6 a few days ago and noticed that it created a new folder - "/sdcard/0". Inside "/sdcard" there is the default Android system files.... but inside "/sdcard/0" there are the same system files... It seems as though after installing the new Trickdroid ROM, it boots/runs on "sdcard/0" instead of just "sdcard" as it did before I installed the ROM. I've ran several tests, including Quadrant and Linpack and everything seems to be running perfectly normal. I'm only wondering if this is OK, or did I do something wrong? I've even lost ROOT access afterwards, but managed to get it back doing a whole bunch of stuff. I want to delete the "0" folder and boot the ROM off of the regular "/sdcard" folder if it's possible. If I can't, it's no big deal. I was just wondering. Thanks in advance!
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hello everyone, I installed Trickdroid 6 a few days ago and noticed that it created a new folder - "/sdcard/0". Inside "/sdcard" there is the default Android system files.... but inside "/sdcard/0" there are the same system files... It seems as though after installing the new Trickdroid ROM, it boots/runs on "sdcard/0" instead of just "sdcard" as it did before I installed the ROM. I've ran several tests, including Quadrant and Linpack and everything seems to be running perfectly normal. I'm only wondering if this is OK, or did I do something wrong? I've even lost ROOT access afterwards, but managed to get it back doing a whole bunch of stuff. I want to delete the "0" folder and boot the ROM off of the regular "/sdcard" folder if it's possible. If I can't, it's no big deal. I was just wondering. Thanks in advance!
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/sdcard/0 is now the default location for your files in 4.2.2 due do 4.2.2 having multi account support so you should move all your files into that directory.
ohhh thanks man. I had a feeling it had to do with 4.2.2 base, but I needed confirmation. Thanks a billion!
It's so funny seeing people deals with issue normal Nexus users have known about for nearly a year...shows people don't read up on Android advances a lot...
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It's so funny seeing people deals with issue normal Nexus users have known about for nearly a year...shows people don't read up on Android advances a lot...
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i dont think "normal nexus" users are any smarter than anyone here TBH. felt like headless chickens in the QA threads when i used to have the N4
latest example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=42223193&postcount=48
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i dont think "normal nexus" users are any smarter than anyone here TBH. felt like headless chickens in the QA threads when i used to have the N4
latest example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=42223193&postcount=48
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True, I'm just saying we had to deal with all this last year when 4.2 dropped. Had everyone taken an interest in from the beginning it wouldn't be so much of a surprise now!
BTW, that post above is quite something! I mean, WOW...
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It's so funny seeing people deals with issue normal Nexus users have known about for nearly a year...shows people don't read up on Android advances a lot...
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Ppl have better things to do then read about android devices. Just sayin.
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jags_the1 said:
Ppl have better things to do then read about android devices. Just sayin.
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Then the deserve to lose their data and screw their phones up! Who in their right tries to do stuff WITHOUT reading up on it first?
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Then the deserve to lose their data and screw their phones up! Who in their right tries to do stuff WITHOUT reading up on it first?
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Take your waffle back to the Nexus Forum.
No one deserves to lose their data.
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Take your waffle back to the Nexus Forum.
No one deserves to lose their data.
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They do if they're too lazy to take an interest in Android as a whole. Isn't that why we're all here in the first place? Our love of all things Android? I go to all forums on here and contribute and look to increase my knowledge by reading articles and taking in things people say - not just dive head first into something I have no idea about and then cry about it once I've screwed up
As for waffle, that's your opinion. I'll be here permanently in a month or so once I get my One
I'm pretty experienced with setting up Android devices, mainly because I get a new one every month or so (it's a real problem). I had the Nexus 4 and recall allowing it to restore from a backup. When I did that on the Nexus 5, it started downloading random apps from other devices that I don't even use anymore. I don't know what backup it was pulling from, but it was messy.
The worst part was, it kind of froze in the middle and refused to keep downloading apps. I cleared the cache on the Play Store app and started again. It downloaded a few apps, then quit again. I tried clearing data on Google Play, downloads, and Framework and nothing would work. When I tried to download apps manually, it would just give me an error and say it couldn't download. It wouldn't even update my existing apps.
Finally, at the recommendation of someone in Google groups, I logged out of Hangouts, then tried to log back in. It wouldn't let me log back in, even after several restarts.
Ultimately, after trying pretty much everything, I had to do a factory wipe and start over from scratch. I went through something similar (though not as bad) restoring from a backup a few months back. The moral of the story is, I will probably never restore from backup again.
After about an hour of setting up my accounts and downloading my apps manually, it's finally up and running. What a ride.
Cool story, bro.
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I'll be restoring from my TB backup.
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Cool story, bro.
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Thanks for your valuable input, bro. Consider yourself reported.
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I'll be restoring from my TB backup.
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Yeah, I was rooted, too. I don't understand Google's backup system. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as iCloud. They really need to work on that.
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allowing it to restore from a backup. When I did that on the Nexus 5, it started downloading random apps from other devices that I don't even use anymore. I don't know what backup it was puling from, but it was messy.
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it started downloading apps i have backed up on my nexus 7, which i agree is quite annoying
while i know it's popular to complain about complainers, OP has a valid point imo. i agree that they need to get it cleaned up, or at least allow you to choice individual devices.
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I don't understand Google's backup system. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as iCloud. They really need to work on that.
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I'm pretty experienced with setting up Android devices, mainly because I get a new one every month or so (it's a real problem). I had the Nexus 4 and recall allowing it to restore from a backup. When I did that on the Nexus 5, it started downloading random apps from other devices that I don't even use anymore. I don't know what backup it was puling from, but it was messy.
The worst part was, it kind of froze in the middle and refused to keep downloading apps. I cleared the cache on the Play Store app and started again. It downloaded a few apps, then quit again. I tried clearing data on Google Play, downloads, and Framework and nothing would work. When I tried to download apps manually, it would just give me an error and say it couldn't download. It wouldn't even update my existing apps.
Finally, at the recommendation of someone in Google groups, I logged out of Hangouts, then tried to log back in. It wouldn't let me log back in, even after several restarts.
Ultimately, after trying pretty much everything, I had to do a factory wipe and start over from scratch. I went through something similar (though not as bad) restoring from a backup a few months back. The moral of the story is, I will probably never restore from backup again.
After about an hour of setting up my accounts and downloading my apps manually, it's finally up and running. What a ride.
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Pay a few dollars and get Titanium Backup Pro or Helium Premium. Google's backup and restore is horrendous; no one with any sense actually uses it. The paid versions of TiBu and Helium are well worth it. TiBu was my go-to for a long time, but I use Helium now. It has a much more user-friendly interface, and it doesn't require root.
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Thanks for your valuable input, bro. Consider yourself reported.
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Haha you are on the Nexus 5 forum posting about something that has pretty much nothing to do with the Nexus 5 and is 100% user error. What kind of responses do you expect, especially considering the 500 worthless threads people have posted today complaining about irrelevant things. You totally brought this on yourself, and reporting someone for pointing that out is a waste of your time. Look around this forum; the mods let anything fly here.
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Yeah, I was rooted, too. I don't understand Google's backup system. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as iCloud. They really need to work on that.
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I'm pretty sure that if you uninstall apps outside of the playstore, then upon a backup restore it will restore that app again. If you uninstall from the store, it won't restore it again. This is just my guess on things I think i've noticed.. I never actually tried to prove my theory right.
Basically there's no way for us to force it to sync a current setup. If you start flashing nandroids and roms will mess it up as well.
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Yeah, I was rooted, too. I don't understand Google's backup system. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as iCloud. They really need to work on that.
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In the Play Store it keeps track of every app you download, if you no longer want them backed up you have to delete them from "my apps."
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Pay a few dollars and get Titanium Backup Pro or Helium Premium. Google's backup and restore is horrendous; no one with any sense actually uses it. The paid versions of TiBu and Helium are well worth it. TiBu was my go-to for a long time, but I use Helium now. It has a much more user-friendly interface, and it doesn't require root.
Haha you are on the Nexus 5 forum posting about something that has pretty much nothing to do with the Nexus 5 and is 100% user error. What kind of responses do you expect, especially considering the 500 worthless threads people have posted today complaining about irrelevant things. You totally brought this on yourself, and reporting someone for pointing that out is a waste of your time. Look around this forum; the mods let anything fly here.
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How, pray tell, was a Google backup failing to restore "user error"?
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I have no science behind this statement but I've always thought that restoring TB backups to different devices was extremely risky.
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Haha you are on the Nexus 5 forum posting about something that has pretty much nothing to do with the Nexus 5 and is 100% user error. What kind of responses do you expect, especially considering the 500 worthless threads people have posted today complaining about irrelevant things. You totally brought this on yourself, and reporting someone for pointing that out is a waste of your time. Look around this forum; the mods let anything fly here.
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are you kidding me? nexus 5 may not have much to do with it, but this is a very legitimate bug in the current backup/restore system google has in place. i'm sure in time further revisions with work things out, but right now it sucks.
fwiw, i have everything backed up in titanium, but i'm not rooted and i don't wanna mess around with that right now. having the ability to easily move from android to android is something that has been sorely missing for some time for the average user.
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I have no science behind this statement but I've always thought that restoring TB backups to different devices was extremely risky.
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it can be, you're often not supposed to restore app data but...
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How, pray tell, was a Google backup failing to restore "user error"?
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Because Google backup doesn't work. You said yourself you've had problems with it before. For someone "experienced in setting up Android phones," I am surprised you haven't been using TiBu/Helium all along. Trust me, it's well worth spending the few dollars if you switch phones or ROMs more than once a year. Relying on Google backup to restore anything more than your contacts is user error.
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Because Google backup doesn't work. You said yourself you've had problems with it before. For someone "experienced in setting up Android phones," I am surprised you haven't been using TiBu/Helium all along. Trust me, it's well worth spending the few dollars if you switch phones or ROMs more than once a year. Relying on Google backup to restore anything more than your contacts is user error.
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system error brah
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Haha you are on the Nexus 5 forum posting about something that has pretty much nothing to do with the Nexus 5 and is 100% user error. What kind of responses do you expect, especially considering the 500 worthless threads people have posted today complaining about irrelevant things. You totally brought this on yourself, and reporting someone for pointing that out is a waste of your time. Look around this forum; the mods let anything fly here.
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It is not that we let anything fly here, it is just that with around 90 device forums to monitor we are spread around.
Feel free to use the report button when you see something that should not "FLY"
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The model number is N900A. I did get my phone through AT&T. I've heard that there are some serious problems rooting and installed roms etc through AT&T and Verizon. The Note 3 is my first Android device and I would have to say I'm in love with this phone. What I'm not in love with are all these apps and other nonsense running in my background. I hear rooting and installing different roms can solve this. I have used Clean Master from the app store to clear cache and free up RAM, but moments later these same apps open right back up. The Note 3 has 2.4GB of RAM available, correct? I haven't put much on this phone in the way of apps. I did put some music and bought one app to change the icons on my phone. When I check Clean Master, I'm always using between 1.6-1.8GB of RAM. Thinking to myself, "what is the purpose of Clean Master if all of these annoying apps just open themselves back up?"
Other thoughts would be:
How much RAM will I free up by rooting(assuming of course it's possible)and installing a fairly simple ROM to change the overall look and feel? I'm looking for simplicity. Just want something that works, doesn't eat a lot of my RAM, and isn't known for a lot of bugs/issues.
I'm hoping some of this information helps someone help me. I'm currently running 4.3. I've also researched some of the positives and negatives of rooting and installing roms. It seems worth it if I can free up some RAM and get rid of all these apps and such running in the background.
I have a Att&t and I'm rooted.....No problems 4 days or more battery life and love it!
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GalaxyNotesTx said:
I have a Att&t and I'm rooted.....No problems 4 days or more battery life and love it!
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That's great, glad to hear it. Care to point me in the direction of the method you used to do so? Would prefer a simple step by step tutorial/video. Also, are you able to run any roms/mods?
IcyRhythms said:
That's great, glad to hear it. Care to point me in the direction of the method you used to do so? Would prefer a simple step by step tutorial/video. Also, are you able to run any roms/mods?
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if you just want to keep apps from loading you can go under setting general application manager and select the app you want click it and pick turn off
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if you still want to root look in the general section on here for kingo to do custom roms go to development section and look for bootstrap make sure you read and know what you are doing before doing it you can mess up your phone
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jerrycoffman45 said:
if you just want to keep apps from loading you can go under setting general application manager and select the app you want click it and pick turn off
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It would be nice to remove them completely. There is so much pre-installed software on this phone that I can't be certain what should or shouldn't be turned off.
Just want the basics. Facebook, text, Gmail, phone calls, and the play store to work and I'm good.
IcyRhythms said:
It would be nice to remove them completely. There is so much pre-installed software on this phone that I can't be certain what should or shouldn't be turned off.
Just want the basics. Facebook, text, Gmail, phone calls, and the play store to work and I'm good.
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turning them off makes the phone think they are removed the good thing about it is it will not allow you to turn off anything critical all the att stuff can be turned off and i edited my post above
jerrycoffman45 said:
turning them off makes the phone think they are removed the good thing about it is it will not allow you to turn off anything critical all the att stuff can be turned off and i edited my post above
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Thanks again
The Kingo Root seems very simple. Think I'll do that and then maybe look into some roms.
jerrycoffman45 said:
if you just want to keep apps from loading you can go under setting general application manager and select the app you want click it and pick turn off
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if you still want to root look in the general section on here for kingo to do custom roms go to development section and look for bootstrap make sure you read and know what you are doing before doing it you can mess up your phone
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You mentioned bootstrap. I don't see bootstrap when doing a search. I only see Safestrap.
Safestrap is the method used to install custom roms...bootstrap was prolly an auto correct typo. Just follow the Safestrap method 100% and you should be good. When you pick a rom make sure you read the 1st post throughly and entirely. ..Most roms come with all the att/samsung bloat ...you will prolly still have to weed through and disable them. Good luck and have fun
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Safestrap is the method used to install custom roms...bootstrap was prolly an auto correct typo. Just follow the Safestrap method 100% and you should be good. When you pick a rom make sure you read the 1st post throughly and entirely. ..Most roms come with all the att/samsung bloat ...you will prolly still have to weed through and disable them. Good luck and have fun
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Thanks for that. Do you know if CynogenMod 11 is supported on the Note 3/AT&T?
IcyRhythms said:
You mentioned bootstrap. I don't see bootstrap when doing a search. I only see Safestrap.
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thats it auto correct got me
IcyRhythms said:
Thanks for that. Do you know if CynogenMod 11 is supported on the Note 3/AT&T?
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You have not read about safestrap yet have you? You can't really flash anything to this phone but safestrap gives you sort of a work around at the cost of internal or external SD card space. As for CM11, that is a big no. Only slightly modified stock like ROMS work right now and as I said they are not truly flashed to the device. Safestrap lets you set your phone up sort of like a dual or multi boot PC. At boot up you pic which of up to four ROMS you want it to use.
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You have not read about safestrap yet have you? You can't really flash anything to this phone but safestrap gives you sort of a work around at the cost of internal or external SD card space. As for CM11, that is a big no. Only slightly modified stock like ROMS work right now and as I said they are not truly flashed to the device. Safestrap lets you set your phone up sort of like a dual or multi boot PC. At boot up you pic which of up to four ROMS you want it to use.
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Any word on if/when that will be a possibility?
Also, meant to ask earlier(it's also a little too late since I've already done it)does using Kingo Root disable Samsung/AT&T updates like KitKat?(still blows me away that KitKat has yet to release for this phone on AT&T)
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The Note 3 has 2.4GB of RAM available, correct? I haven't put much on this phone in the way of apps.
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Nothing to do with RAM. RAM is where apps run. When you install an app it gets installed to storage (think of storage like the hard drive on a desktop computer).
When I check Clean Master, I'm always using between 1.6-1.8GB of RAM. Thinking to myself, "what is the purpose of Clean Master if all of these annoying apps just open themselves back up?"
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In Windows, the more free RAM you have, the better. In Android, any unused RAM is wasted RAM. As soon as you free up some RAM, Android's memory manager is going to load something in the newly freed space. RAM cleaning programs are a waste of battery, a waste of time (both yours and the computer's) and a waste of storage (the space they're stored in). Android has a great memory manager - let it do its thing.
How much RAM will I free up by rooting
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None. You'll be using storage to store su, busybox and SuperSU. Rooting has nothing to do with RAM.
installing a fairly simple ROM to change the overall look and feel?
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Install Nova Launcher. It's an app, not a ROM, so there's no warranty issue, no bricking issue and it's a welcome change from the monkey-designed TouchWiz. (The old joke that if you sat a million monkeys at a million typewriters for a million years, eventually they'd have written all of Shakespeare's works? They'd also have written TouchWiz.)
Just want something that works, doesn't eat a lot of my RAM
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The amount of RAM an app uses is determined by the app, not by the ROM or the launcher (which is the "look" of the phone when you turn it on).
and isn't known for a lot of bugs/issues.
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The stock ROM works, doesn't use that much storage (I collect apps like junkyard dogs collect fleas, and I have just a hair under 29GB of free internal storage - and a lot of junk apps I have to uninstall, because I just downloaded to help people. And as far as bugs go ... I haven't seen any in general (I had to return 2 Note 3s and one of the ones I have now, which is a refurb, may also have to go back - but that's all hardware issues). If you want looks you change launchers and lock screens. (And there's a lot you can do with the settings to make things look different.)
There's really only one reason to root - because you need (or really want) to run an app that needs root permissions.
There's really only one reason to run a different ROM - because it has features that you want that the stock ROM doesn't.
All the rest is experimentation, fun and watching geniuses (and there are a lot of them on xda) at work. But remember, rooting alone voids the warranty. ROMming not only voids the warranty, it can mess up your phone. Is it $700 worth of fun? That's for you to decide. Rooting (as long as you don't use root status to mess anything up) is safe. ROMming, not so much. Still fixable - in most cases - but the first time you're stuck in a boot loop, you'll panic longer than it takes to reflash the phone.
some of the positives and negatives of rooting and installing roms. It seems worth it if I can free up some RAM
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If you run Kit Kat you'll free up some RAM, but the official update will be out soon anyway
and get rid of all these apps and such running in the background.
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Turn them off.
People are taking molehills and making Olympus Mons out of them. There are so many much simpler solutions to so many of the "problems" people want to "solve" by rooting or changing ROMs.
Oh, I forgot one other very important reason to root, and as a child of the 60s it should have been the first one to occur to me - sticking it to the man.
Thanks for all the help to those that responded. The last reply in particular would have been very helpful had a I not jumped the gun yesterday. I rooted my phone yesterday. DIDN'T try anything else like new themes/roms. Just rooted the phone. After about an hour the phone having issues. Freezing. Apps not opening. Then, I unrooted. Haven't had a freeze since, but the phone is still doing odd things it wasn't doing before. Apps appear to be taking longer open etc...I went to send a text message about an hour ago and when I clicked on the text to begin typing the big envelope icon covered the entire screen looking very pixelated. ugh....
I know it stores media scan db. Unlike previous Android versions, the OS does not let one wipe it's data or even force stop it. Using "pm clear com.android.providers.media" from ADB is, apparently, still allowed but doesn't seem to fix anything. It seem to recreate the db, judging by all the ringtones/notification tones getting reset everywhere, but it's data size remains about 3.8gb, which is insane. Media scanner apps show 401 total media files found, 355 images, 22 video and 24 audio files, those amounts should be far cry from being a big deal. What in the world is going on?! I don't have root, so i can't peek in /data/data/com.android.providers.media. I absolutely do not want to hard reset either.
Any ideas?
False alert. System UI seems to report the entire shared storage at "data" of that app, which has mislead me. Not sure if i should delete this thread now, or keep it in case someone else happens to notice this and wonders.
I had telegram do that to me before, kind of. Like, how did all these pictures get here and stuff...
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It was a false alarm from my side, it didn't actually blow that db out of proportions, it just mistakenly shows everything on the "internal storage" as belonging to that app data. Guess it just counts everything created by whatever Linux user MTP runs on, and everything there belongs to that user.
BTW, since when did they disable wiping the data on it? Is it new on Android 11, or did i skip too many Android versions, lol. Still possible over adb, with pm, though. Gladly, doesn't follow the same logic the counting does!
InfX said:
BTW, since when did they disable wiping the data on it? Is it new on Android 11, or did i skip too many Android versions, lol. Still possible over adb, with pm, though. Gladly, doesn't follow the same logic the counting does!
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I've not got an answer. I remember that on like ics or honeycomb gingerbread.
A while ago, anyway.
Well good news on your findings! When things like that happen it's crazy strange
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There's the reset option under settings system now I guess
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I've not got an answer. I remember that on like ics or honeycomb gingerbread.
A while ago, anyway.
Well good news on your findings! When things like that happen it's crazy strange
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Indeed it is crazy strange. I've had this db getting huge before on older devices, but my first though was "how the hell, the phone is a week old", second thought "screw it, wipe and let it rescan", and then i see it still huge, lol.
Keeping this thread instead of deleting it, who knows, maybe in a month from now someone is going to wonder about the same thing.
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Indeed it is crazy strange. I've had this db getting huge before on older devices, but my first though was "how the hell, the phone is a week old", second thought "screw it, wipe and let it rescan", and then i see it still huge, lol.
Keeping this thread instead of deleting it, who knows, maybe in a month from now someone is going to wonder about the same thing.
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I'd sure not delete it.
If you think starting this thread was bad.
Man, I've posted worse, unfortunately. Being a super noob once
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InfX said:
Indeed it is crazy strange. I've had this db getting huge before on older devices, but my first though was "how the hell, the phone is a week old", second thought "screw it, wipe and let it rescan", and then i see it still huge, lol.
Keeping this thread instead of deleting it, who knows, maybe in a month from now someone is going to wonder about the same thing.
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And I just did, LOL. Good that it was not closed xD
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False alert. System UI seems to report the entire shared storage at "data" of that app, which has mislead me. Not sure if i should delete this thread now, or keep it in case someone else happens to notice this and wonders.
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It is not a false alert. You're partially right. The data isn't actually used by mediastorage because it just links to media files on the system. The problem is that Android is stupid enough to not have an exclusion for mediastorage's usage report.
In other words, Android is dumb enough to think that mediastorage is actually using all that space which will lead to a lack of storage space on your phone.