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Sprint.com Activation Warning!/Factory Data Reset!

Didn't see this anywhere, so I thought I would try and hopefully save at least one person some time/frustration. I, like many people on this site own multiple devices and swap my Sprint service back and forth between them. I normally do this through Sprint.com. I just got my GS4 and spent hours testing what launcher would be the fastest with this SOC, and setting everything up exactly the way I wanted it.(I always keep things stock for the return period so I had no real way of making a backup) After I got everything the way I wanted, I activated this beauty...but upon doing this, I didn't see the fine print that the profile update triggers a factory data wipe.. **POOF** and all my app/prefs/etc. were gone. Needless to say, I was LIVID. I waited until I was calmed down to call customer care. The rep I spoke to advised that they changed it to require a factory data wipe when switching service online and you need to call customer care to attempt a manual IMEI/DEC/HEX swap.

glassjosh said:
Didn't see this anywhere, so I thought I would try and hopefully save at least one person some time/frustration. I, like many people on this site own multiple devices and swap my Sprint service back and forth between them. I normally do this through Sprint.com. I just got my GS4 and spent hours testing what launcher would be the fastest with this SOC, and setting everything up exactly the way I wanted it.(I always keep things stock for the return period so I had no real way of making a backup) After I got everything the way I wanted, I activated this beauty...but upon doing this, I didn't see the fine print that the profile update triggers a factory data wipe.. **POOF** and all my app/prefs/etc. were gone. Needless to say, I was LIVID. I waited until I was calmed down to call customer care. The rep I spoke to advised that they changed it to require a factory data wipe when switching service online and you need to call customer care to attempt a manual IMEI/DEC/HEX swap.
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TiBu is your friend

rawintellect said:
TiBu is your friend
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Word.
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glassjosh said:
Didn't see this anywhere, so I thought I would try and hopefully save at least one person some time/frustration. I, like many people on this site own multiple devices and swap my Sprint service back and forth between them. I normally do this through Sprint.com. I just got my GS4 and spent hours testing what launcher would be the fastest with this SOC, and setting everything up exactly the way I wanted it.(I always keep things stock for the return period so I had no real way of making a backup) After I got everything the way I wanted, I activated this beauty...but upon doing this, I didn't see the fine print that the profile update triggers a factory data wipe.. **POOF** and all my app/prefs/etc. were gone. Needless to say, I was LIVID. I waited until I was calmed down to call customer care. The rep I spoke to advised that they changed it to require a factory data wipe when switching service online and you need to call customer care to attempt a manual IMEI/DEC/HEX swap.
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Had you already activated the device at least once before you attempted the online activation that resulted in the factory reset?

So I can confirm that this is indeed the desired behavior of chameleon. Whenever activation info is changed through HFA, then the device is now supposed to hard reset.
While this is certainly inconvenient if you didn't know it would happen (as us here in the store didn't know this was going to be the behavior going forward either), the reasoning behind it is sound: chameleon is put in place so that identical models of phones that are different sprint channels (sprint post paid, prepaid, boost, etc.) can run the same firmware; chameleon handles the bloatware payload for each channel. In other words, sprint no longer has to have different software packages for the same phone just because one gets sprint zone etc. and the other gets boost stuff etc.
Now, hopefully we get to a point to where chameleon is smart enough to recognize the current payload and decide whether a hard reset is necessary, but...baby steps I suppose.
EDIT: also, profile updates on their own don't require a reset. It's part of the whole HFA process that does it.
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Nope, it was a new device I wanted to set up and play with on wifi before activating it. Now I just have to call CC and have them swap the devices manually.

rawintellect said:
TiBu is your friend
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It's only your friend if you're rooted, I always keep stock FW for the return period of a device since you never know. I have always had mixed experiences with restoring app data as well.

glassjosh said:
It's only your friend if you're rooted, I always keep stock FW for the return period of a device since you never know. I have always had mixed experiences with restoring app data as well.
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I've never had ONE bad experience with TiBu. Ever. If you know what you're doing it's fine. And why wouldn't you root? You can always unroot at any given time. And yes the counter can be reset.

The debate for rooting belongs elsewhere, I'm well aware you can reset counters, unroot, however, it's not worth the time when the risk of returning is high IMHO. You don't have to know what you're doing in TiBu, that's the beauty, but you still have a better chance of stability when using new app data, and it only takes 1 bad experience with some things..

glassjosh said:
The debate for rooting belongs elsewhere, I'm well aware you can reset counters, unroot, however, it's not worth the time when the risk of returning is high IMHO. You don't have to know what you're doing in TiBu, that's the beauty, but you still have a better chance of stability when using new app data, and it only takes 1 bad experience with some things..
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LOL! You're not going to change my mind. I'm not going to change yours. I know from my own personal experience of MANY years of tinkering with android devices that you DO have to know what you're doing in TiBu or you're screwed. If you backup the wrong thing (say a system app from a different release of android) and restore it to an entirely new system you've just borked your device and are on a one way trip to bootloop city, population: YOU. And you'll have a full restore in your future.
As for "debating" on rooting? I'm not. Why even come on to XDA if you won't root? If you want stock apps stick to Google Play and sprint community forums. But don't come on to XDA and tell me or anyone else that rooting your phone is inferior to not rooting it. It just isn't. Period.
Stability is only as good as the person that coded it. That INCLUDES stock OEM ROMS or updates. I can count on two hands updates from manufacturers that have gone terribly wrong and been fixed by the devs in the XDA community LONG before they were fixed by the manufacturer. So your point about "new app data" is wrong as well.
And finally the "risk" isn't high. At all. Stop scaring folks. If your phone boots into the bootloader it's recoverable. Period. Even if it DOESN'T boot into the bootloader you can still recover it. I've had 8 HARD bricks. All of them recovered. Some even required EMMC_RECOVER to rewrite the bootloader. Don't know what that is? I'm not suprised. Let me google that for you. The WORST EVER required JTAG (again let me google that for you) to fix. But it WAS fixed.
I'm all done with this back and forth and I'll just place you on ignore and hope people see that you really have no clue what you're talking about.
Enjoy.

rawintellect said:
LOL! You're not going to change my mind. I'm not going to change yours. I know from my own personal experience of MANY years of tinkering with android devices that you DO have to know what you're doing in TiBu or you're screwed. If you backup the wrong thing (say a system app from a different release of android) and restore it to an entirely new system you've just borked your device and are on a one way trip to bootloop city, population: YOU. And you'll have a full restore in your future.
As for "debating" on rooting? I'm not. Why even come on to XDA if you won't root? If you want stock apps stick to Google Play and sprint community forums. But don't come on to XDA and tell me or anyone else that rooting your phone is inferior to not rooting it. It just isn't. Period.
Stability is only as good as the person that coded it. That INCLUDES stock OEM ROMS or updates. I can count on two hands updates from manufacturers that have gone terribly wrong and been fixed by the devs in the XDA community LONG before they were fixed by the manufacturer. So your point about "new app data" is wrong as well.
And finally the "risk" isn't high. At all. Stop scaring folks. If your phone boots into the bootloader it's recoverable. Period. Even if it DOESN'T boot into the bootloader you can still recover it. I've had 8 HARD bricks. All of them recovered. Some even required EMMC_RECOVER to rewrite the bootloader. Don't know what that is? I'm not suprised. Let me google that for you. The WORST EVER required JTAG (again let me google that for you) to fix. But it WAS fixed.
I'm all done with this back and forth and I'll just place you on ignore and hope people see that you really have no clue what you're talking about.
Enjoy.
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I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, only warn others to possibly help someone out; which is the whole purpose of this site. I certainly don't have time to troll anyone's posts. Before you get more butt-hurt, read what I said. I know from my "MANY YEARS" of android tinkering and development, that you only need time to read, not to truly know what you're doing. Apparently we have different ideas of what that means. Never did I state that rooting was inferior, that's absurd. And how would you know the risk of me returning the phone in the return period? You obviously don't read or comprehend well. As stated before, I'm well familiar with the process for tweaking android devices, especially Samsung since I have 6 of them. I'm so super impressed with your vast knowledge though..

Wow. That escalated quickly for no reason. You ignores someone for having an opinion about not rooting a phone in the first seven days of owning it. I'm sure there are plenty of people on here that don't root in that first week, that includes me as one of them.
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rawintellect said:
LOL! You're not going to change my mind. I'm not going to change yours. I know from my own personal experience of MANY years of tinkering with android devices that you DO have to know what you're doing in TiBu or you're screwed. If you backup the wrong thing (say a system app from a different release of android) and restore it to an entirely new system you've just borked your device and are on a one way trip to bootloop city, population: YOU. And you'll have a full restore in your future.
As for "debating" on rooting? I'm not. Why even come on to XDA if you won't root? If you want stock apps stick to Google Play and sprint community forums. But don't come on to XDA and tell me or anyone else that rooting your phone is inferior to not rooting it. It just isn't. Period.
Stability is only as good as the person that coded it. That INCLUDES stock OEM ROMS or updates. I can count on two hands updates from manufacturers that have gone terribly wrong and been fixed by the devs in the XDA community LONG before they were fixed by the manufacturer. So your point about "new app data" is wrong as well.
And finally the "risk" isn't high. At all. Stop scaring folks. If your phone boots into the bootloader it's recoverable. Period. Even if it DOESN'T boot into the bootloader you can still recover it. I've had 8 HARD bricks. All of them recovered. Some even required EMMC_RECOVER to rewrite the bootloader. Don't know what that is? I'm not suprised. Let me google that for you. The WORST EVER required JTAG (again let me google that for you) to fix. But it WAS fixed.
I'm all done with this back and forth and I'll just place you on ignore and hope people see that you really have no clue what you're talking about.
Enjoy.
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[Q] So I'm rooted now..

So I'm rooted and I have SuperSU installed.
I'm not interested in flashing a custom rom just yet as I'm not having any problems with stock.
If I was to root, I was told to look for vanilla or vanilla based roms....so if anyone has suggestions there...
Anyway, I would like to remove a lot of the bloatware.
What program can I use to delete apps that I couldn't delete while non-rooted?

Titanium Backup.
Backup all the apps you delete though, because if you accidentally delete an important piece of bloatware (oxymoron), you'll want it back.

sauprankul said:
Titanium Backup.
Backup all the apps you delete though, because if you accidentally delete an important piece of bloatware (oxymoron), you'll want it back.
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Thank you.
Do we have a list of apps that are safe to remove?

Generally all Sprint labeled apps are A-OK!
Also, many are available on the play store.

If you install the MoDaCo toolkit (look in the forums for the link), there's an option called "button mod" that will let you disable all system apps. If you don't really know what you're doing, disabling is much safer than outright removing, especially if you're considering staying with stock.
There are a number of stock-based ROMs, but rooted+stock is probably a better way of getting started.

Rirere said:
If you install the MoDaCo toolkit (look in the forums for the link), there's an option called "button mod" that will let you disable all system apps. If you don't really know what you're doing, disabling is much safer than outright removing, especially if you're considering staying with stock.
There are a number of stock-based ROMs, but rooted+stock is probably a better way of getting started.
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You can disable (Freeze) apps using Titanium Backup as wells which may be easier for the OP then installing MoDaCo...

Marcm15 said:
You can disable (Freeze) apps using Titanium Backup as wells which may be easier for the OP then installing MoDaCo...
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I don't disagree, but MoDaCo is free and provides an integrated solution (the stock app manager) to just get your feet wet with what you should disable/really, really shouldn't. It's also not particularly hard; like Titanium Backup it requires two apps installed, and you check a box in one and you're done.
Not that I have anything against paying for apps. Titanium Backup is one of my most-frequently used apps, but I can also remember some major disasters I brought upon myself when I was first learning how it worked.

Rirere said:
Not that I have anything against paying for apps. Titanium Backup is one of my most-frequently used apps, but I can also remember some major disasters I brought upon myself when I was first learning how it worked.
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I think we've all had those disasters while learning:silly: I am still learning and always keep my fingers crossed whenever I try something new. I have to say that just about all my knowledge and skills have been developed here on XDA. I was a lurker for years before I actually signed up...

Marcm15 said:
I think we've all had those disasters while learning:silly: I am still learning and always keep my fingers crossed whenever I try something new. I have to say that just about all my knowledge and skills have been developed here on XDA. I was a lurker for years before I actually signed up...
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Once bitten twice shy, as they say. Or rather, I would say if I ever remembered to do nandroids...definitely agree with you regarding XDA though. It's a great source of information and fun tweaks to try.

Google "rumored" full backup

How do you guys think about the rumored cloud backup of Google? I think it would be great to have such a function and! I just don't want to use apps like titanium etc. I just want my phone to recover settings, apps, mail accounts and more when doing a restore after flashing.
Back to the topic. Is there any more news on this subject?
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lowtje said:
How do you guys think about the rumored cloud backup of Google? I think it would be great to have such a function and! I just don't want to use apps like titanium etc. I just want my phone to recover settings, apps, mail accounts and more when doing a restore after flashing.
Back to the topic. Is there any more news on this subject?
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In all honesty I am not a big fan of titanium backup at all.

I would actually love this, it would be good if it wasn't Nexus 5 specific but android specific so I could move to any other phone when its out and not reconfigure it.

Yeah there was some info at first, but now its all silentmode
http://m.digitaltrends.com/mobile/nexus-5-leaks-time-hints-cloud-backup-android-4-4-kitkat/
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Helium is a great alternative to Titanium, and you don't need root. Looks much nicer as well, very Google-esque

I for one used to HATE titanium, and I found the GUI very confusing and hard to understand. But. Once I got used to it I found it to be one of the most useful apps i've purchased. Just my thoughts
On the google backup thing, I think it would be cool. But i'd have to see how it was implemented.

titanium bu is for noobs. I would NEVER use it. I'd rather lose all my data,
Backing up / restoring user data is never a good idea in IMO. I'm not saying it doesn't work, but, show me the thread with the guy/gal that has issues from not restoring from a other brand/model phone....... its just not a good idea. Even with the same model phone, its just poor practice.

apristel said:
titanium bu is for noobs. I would NEVER use it. I'd rather lose all my data,
Backing up / restoring user data is never a good idea in IMO. I'm not saying it doesn't work, but, show me the thread with the guy/gal that has issues from not restoring from a other brand/model phone....... its just not a good idea. Even with the same model phone, its just poor practice.
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Why? I've been doing it for years across a dozen different phones and I've never had an issue. As long as you're not restoring system data, any problems are usually due to user error.
I get that you personally don't like TB, but you can't just make a broad generalization based on your own opinion. There's already too much of that going on in the N5 forums.

Same here. Been using TB since the Captivate days and still do. Never had an issue restoring user apps and data.
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apristel said:
titanium bu is for noobs. I would NEVER use it. I'd rather lose all my data,
Backing up / restoring user data is never a good idea in IMO. I'm not saying it doesn't work, but, show me the thread with the guy/gal that has issues from not restoring from a other brand/model phone....... its just not a good idea. Even with the same model phone, its just poor practice.
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just because YOU don't know how to use it, you shouldn't call them as 'noobs.'
been using titanium for years. it works fine. user friendly.

maxpower7 said:
Why? I've been doing it for years across a dozen different phones and I've never had an issue. As long as you're not restoring system data, any problems are usually due to user error.
I get that you personally don't like TB, but you can't just make a broad generalization based on your own opinion. There's already too much of that going on in the N5 forums.
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Actually. I did just make a broad generalization based on my own opinion. Something i am granted to do. You won't see the threads with people complaining that their device is working fine after doing the b/u manually. These apps that fleece users for doing the dumbest **** piss me off.
1 Figure out WHY.HOW it can do the backup.
2.DO it yourself.

apristel said:
Actually. I did just make a broad generalization based on my own opinion. Something i am granted to do. You won't see the threads with people complaining that their device is working fine after doing the b/u manually. These apps that fleece users for doing the dumbest **** piss me off.
1 Figure out WHY.HOW it can do the backup.
2.DO it yourself.
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I've gotten more utility out of TB than any other app I've ever paid for. My experience with TB has been the exact opposite of whatever your definition of "fleecing" is. But whatever, bro. If you need to be unpleasant, knock yourself out.

I'd really like the ability for a back up app to remember my Google music "pins". Since I tend to pin a ton, I don't have the space to backup the music app itself.
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esskayy said:
Helium is a great alternative to Titanium, and you don't need root. Looks much nicer as well, very Google-esque
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Helium is terrible, it looks nice but it has tons of problems(read the reviews). It has trouble restoring many apps data especially if you use the cloud storage option.

apristel said:
Actually. I did just make a broad generalization based on my own opinion. Something i am granted to do. You won't see the threads with people complaining that their device is working fine after doing the b/u manually. These apps that fleece users for doing the dumbest **** piss me off.
1 Figure out WHY.HOW it can do the backup.
2.DO it yourself.
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You next to chill dude. I agree that tibu has its limitations and is over sold for what it claims it can do. But it has its place. Others opinions are just as valid as yours.

aohus said:
just because YOU don't know how to use it, you shouldn't call them as 'noobs.'
been using titanium for years. it works fine. user friendly.
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I don't recall saying i never used it. weird....my computer must be posting for me.
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You next to chill dude. I agree that tibu has its limitations and is over sold for what it claims it can do. But it has its place. Others opinions are just as valid as yours.
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I'll agree with your point. Very valid. While it does work most of the time, it seriously cannot be trusted to restore between devices/versions of android.. These are my opinions, however, it has sold/worked for many.
thanks. ( i did actually thank you buy limited to 8 per day.)

apristel said:
I don't recall saying i never used it. weird....my computer must be posting for me.
I'll agree with your point. Very valid. While it does work most of the time, it seriously cannot be trusted to restore between devices/versions of android.. These are my opinions, however, it has sold/worked for many.
thanks. ( i did actually thank you buy limited to 8 per day.)
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I just used TB and Box storage to migrate from my N4 to my N5. No problems. TB has supported syncing backups to / from cloud storage for some time now.

rg1003 said:
I just used TB and Box storage to migrate from my N4 to my N5. No problems. TB has supported syncing backups to / from cloud storage for some time now.
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i never said it didn't do cloud backup... local/cloud backup has nothing to do with it.....what would the difference be?
I guess i am coming off wrong... You can't expect your phone to function normally doing something it isn't intended to do.
My honda civic is running wrong. I've been beating the ish out of it all week. whats wrong? damn honda.

apristel said:
I guess i am coming off wrong...
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Maybe just cluttered. I think your trying to say restoring app DATA along with the app is a bad idea. I agree with you if you are referring to system apps. Migration from ROM to ROM will cause issues. Phone A to phone B would be an epic failure. However I see very few problems when restoring user apps and data. I personally stopped using TB and now use Android Tuner. It has about everything you could ask for in a root package app.

theesotericone said:
Maybe just cluttered. I think your trying to say restoring app DATA along with the app is a bad idea. I agree with you if you are referring to system apps. Migration from ROM to ROM will cause issues. Phone A to phone B would be an epic failure. However I see very few problems when restoring user apps and data. I personally stopped using TB and now use Android Tuner. It has about everything you could ask for in a root package app.
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fair statement. I still don't believe in backing up any data (besides full nandroid). 9/10 times you won't have issues starting freshhhhh.

Simple Trick to Force the 4.4.2 OTA

So this is a well-known trick that has worked since the N4 but I wanted to share it anyway. If you go to check for the update and it still says up to date, try this method as it has just worked for my N5 and my N7:
Settings>Apps>All Tab>Google Services Framework>Clear Data>Go back to check update and it should work, if not try the steps again.
Like I said, this has worked for my previous N4, N5, and N7(2013). Each time, I tried the check update button alone at least 5 times in a row with no luck, then trying the trick and checking it worked for each device.
Oh and BTW, this trick if done EXACTLY like this DOES NOT invalidate the tokens like some claim. My play store and GMAIL are completely fine on both devices.
PS: Do this at your own risk/if your new to Android (Butthurt syndrome cured)

A Google employee also explained why you should not do this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...ear_data_for_google_service_framework/cdiymrp

Oh no you didn't.

myorks1127 said:
So this is a well-known trick that has worked since the N4 but I wanted to share it anyway. If you go to check for the update and it still says up to date, try this method as it has just worked for my N5 and my N7:
Settings>Apps>All Tab>Google Services Framework>Clear Data>Go back to check update and it should work, if not try the steps again.
Like I said, this has worked for my previous N4, N5, and N7(2013). Each time, I tried the check update button alone at least 5 times in a row with no luck, then trying the trick and checking it worked for each device.
Oh and BTW, this trick if done EXACTLY like this DOES NOT invalidate the tokens like some claim. My play store and GMAIL are completely fine on both devices.
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You're wrong, you shouldn't do that. A quick Google will tell you why

bozzykid said:
A Google employee also explained why you should not do this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...ear_data_for_google_service_framework/cdiymrp
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I read that post before and have yet to find a single issue with my devices and never had an issue for my N4 when I did it so I don't see what the big deal is...there is another very similar method that does indeed mess up the tokens but it IS NOT the same by any means.
Please prove me wrong, I will check anything on my phone that you think isn't working now because I did this the quick and easy way instead of wasting my time sideloading...

myorks1127 said:
I read that post before and have yet to find a single issue with my devices and never had an issue for my N4 when I did it so I don't see what the big deal is...there is another very similar method that does indeed mess up the tokens but it IS NOT the same by any means.
Please prove me wrong, I will check anything on my phone that you think isn't working now because I did this the quick and easy way instead of wasting my time sideloading...
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i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you don't work for Google, specifically the Android/Mobile division. but since you don't see what the big deal is (going against what a Google engineer says) we should all believe you.
this may not mess up your phone, but it wrecks havoc on the back end of Google's servers... when a Google engineer tells us all not to do something, then thoroughly explains why, it's probably best to heed his advice.

Tried this, took five data clears and it gave me the update. Thanks!
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Lucke said:
i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you don't work for Google, specifically the Android/Mobile division. but since you don't see what the big deal is (going against what a Google engineer says) we should all believe you.
this may not mess up your phone, but it wrecks havoc on the back end of Google's servers... when a Google engineer tells us all not to do something, then thoroughly explains why, it's probably best to heed his advice.
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It doesn't wreak havok on my end so why would I care?

I'll go out on a limb and say if it caused that much grief for Google the clear data feature would have been gone a long time ago.

Its worked since the nexus s btw
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I've done it with every update since ICS and never had an issue...and its always worked
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Glad I finally have some people backing me up lol, my brother is an engineer for Amazon and he thinks he knows everything too...

And this is how people who don't know better come here to XDA and mess up their devices because they follow bad advice that they read. Don't do this. It can have unintended consequences and according to Google has absolutely no effect on when you will receive an OTA.

muyoso said:
And this is how people who don't know better come here to XDA and mess up their devices because they follow bad advice that they read. Don't do this. It can have unintended consequences and according to Google has absolutely no effect on when you will receive an OTA.
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People who don't follow the exact directions you mean..and are you saying that this trick worked for 3 Nexus devices I own completely by chance after trying to update over 5 times each before doing the trick and then it working after the trick?

myorks1127 said:
People who don't follow the exact directions you mean..and are you saying that this trick worked for 3 Nexus devices I own completely by chance after trying to update over 5 times each before doing the trick and then it working after the trick?
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What I am saying is that it doesn't matter how many people like you swear that it works. The people who actually work on Android say it doesn't and that it can have bad consequences. And anyone who actually wants the update can simply sideload it with absolutely no ill effects if they want to force the update onto their devices early. There is absolutely zero reason to do what you swear works.

muyoso said:
What I am saying is that it doesn't matter how many people like you swear that it works. The people who actually work on Android say it doesn't and that it can have bad consequences. And anyone who actually wants the update can simply sideload it with absolutely no ill effects if they want to force the update onto their devices early. There is absolutely zero reason to do what you swear works.
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The reason to do it is to save time and hassle of doing all the steps needed for side loading, but no worries, I got the update faster and easier than anyone who side loaded with ZERO consequences to me..:good:, your Google knee pads must be pretty worn out by now huh?

Or you can just wait for the update. I'm still on 4.4 and happy about it. 4.4.1 brought radio issues, and 4.4.2 also seems to have a few bugs. Hopefully by the time I get the OTA, the bugs will be fixed.

myorks1127 said:
The reason to do it is to save time and hassle of doing all the steps needed for side loading, but no worries, I got the update faster and easier than anyone who side loaded with ZERO consequences to me..:good:, your Google knee pads must be pretty worn out by now huh?
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Yes, I am sucking Google's **** because I am telling users who don't know better that Google specifically said not to do this. You got me. My secret is out.

myorks1127 said:
It doesn't wreak havok on my end so why would I care?
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The problem is you don't know if it does. Because the GCM id changes, things like push messages from different apps will likely stop working (maybe permanently if they don't properly handle a changing id). You might not of noticed this much in the past because not a lot of apps utilized GCM push messages. However, more and more apps are using them today.

It's amazing that people will ignore advice from the people that have written the actual software. Just don't do it. The worst part about doing it is that you may not even know that something has messed up because its not obvious.

Thanks worked for me
Took me straight from 4,4 to 4,4.2 after 4 attempts

Force OTA if not comfortable with sideload...

Settings, Apps, All, Google Service Framework.
Force Stop, Clear Data.
Then check for update in About Phone.
Then repeat these steps, and the update shows up on the second check. Repeated this on 3 phones to get 4.4.2 where 4.4.1 hadn't even popped up previously.
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Note, this procedure is to be followed at your own risk. I have completed this successfully on 3 x Nexus 5 from v4.4, however I can not test all scenarios or be responsible for any subsequent issues, whether related to this method or not. If you cant accept this, then wait for the OTA.

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Settings, Apps, All, Google Service Framework.
Force Stop, Clear Data.
Then check for update in About Phone.
Then repeat these steps, and the update shows up on the second check. Repeated this on 3 phones to get 4.4.2 where 4.4.1 hadn't even popped up previously.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...to-never-clear-google-service-framework-data/

FunkyMagic-UK said:
Settings, Apps, All, Google Service Framework.
Force Stop, Clear Data.
Then check for update in About Phone.
Then repeat these steps, and the update shows up on the second check. Repeated this on 3 phones to get 4.4.2 where 4.4.1 hadn't even popped up previously.
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No. We already had a long thread about this. Please have a mod close this.
And not to sound rude - but if you're uncomfortable with sideload, you probably shouldn't have a Nexus.

I don't believe the Dan M statement is wholly accurate, given I've thoroughly checked the issues he says might arise.
I suspect it's more a case of him protecting Googles roll out schedule planning with a plausible explanation.
Not sure why someone not comfortable with sideloads shouldn't have a Nexus... it's just a regular consumer phone like any other.
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I don't believe the Dan M statement is wholly accurate, given I've thoroughly checked the issues he says might arise.
I suspect it's more a case of him protecting Googles roll out schedule planning with a plausible explanation.
Not sure why someone not comfortable with sideloads shouldn't have a Nexus... it's just a regular consumer phone like any other.
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1. If someone who writes the code for Google tells you not to do something and gives you a list of reasons, I would suggest listening. As pointed out in the thread it can cause problems and it isn't always something you notice.
2. Because there is no danger in sideloading. It will either work or refuse to flash.
3. It's a Nexus. It's meant for that kind of thing. It's EXTREMELY easy.
4. If they aren't comfortable with sideloading, they probably wouldn't know whether or not their device had an issue after the update. They could miss out on certain features, apps not functioning properly, etc. You are essentially telling someone computer illiterate that they should do something that could potentially mess something up on their device instead of doing something that is fool-proof. That's irresponsible. Not to mention - they wouldn't even know how to fix it if it did damage anything

FunkyMagic-UK said:
I don't believe the Dan M statement is wholly accurate, given I've thoroughly checked the issues he says might arise.
I suspect it's more a case of him protecting Googles roll out schedule planning with a plausible explanation.
Not sure why someone not comfortable with sideloads shouldn't have a Nexus... it's just a regular consumer phone like any other.
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What do you mean you've thoroughly checked? You've isolated and tested the behavior of every single app that uses GCM after a framework data clear?
I mean, you are essentially accusing an Android engineer of taking to reddit to lie.. but why? Considering they have provided an officially supported method of sideloading OTA updates the idea they are "protecting roll out schedule planning" is total nonsense.
There are only 2 possible scenarios here
1) Dan Morrill is being 100% truthful
2) Instead of simply disabling the "Clear Data" button in Framework which would be dead simple, Google has chosen to send engineers to social media to spread lies and misinformation

I upgraded from 4.4 to 4.4.2 with 0 problems , if Google says don't sideload what u gonna do no side load?
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seriously sideload is about the easiest way to do it other than being able to download it direct to the phone and parse the sdcard like the way phones used to work... i know windows machines and that whole "driver" thing you guys need to deal with can get annoying but it's really not difficult. if you are afriad of command prompts then wait the 2 weeks or so that it takes to get it rolled out.

People spend a good amount of time on making instructional threads, gathering information all in one place, doing everything in their power to make it easy for even a complete beginner to do stuff with their phones, and we still have people wanting them to do it the harder way.
And then they defend their thinking with some ridicilous conspiracy theory that completely contradicts the very nature of how Google DEMONSTRATES that they are 100% behind people sideloading (ie: taking the all of 30 seconds it takes to do) an upate onto their phone) by implying that they have a vested interest in slowing down the number of activations?
Seriously now.

You people crack me up. Before this person from google said do not do this we ALL did it multiple time on multiple devices at least I did. No core meltdowns... yet.
remember these are the same people who thought the Nexus 5 camera was good to go as is...

crachel said:
What do you mean you've thoroughly checked? You've isolated and tested the behavior of every single app that uses GCM after a framework data clear?
I mean, you are essentially accusing an Android engineer of taking to reddit to lie.. but why? Considering they have provided an officially supported method of sideloading OTA updates the idea they are "protecting roll out schedule planning" is total nonsense.
There are only 2 possible scenarios here
1) Dan Morrill is being 100% truthful
2) Instead of simply disabling the "Clear Data" button in Framework which would be dead simple, Google has chosen to send engineers to social media to spread lies and misinformation
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It's not worth your time trying to explain this. There are those who will always believe they are right. They will continue to ignore knowledge provided by those who are experts on the matter and believe they are right.
The most common excuse I read is "I've been doing it for so long without any issues". The technical explanation clearly states that the issues that happen are more often than not invisible to the user. Then they'll take to XDA to create a bunch of threads about "OMGZZZZ MY PHONE IS BROKEZORZ, GOOGLE IS TURNING INTO APPLE...RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE" and not even think that the issues might be related to breaking GCM in an app or similar.

Who cares if it can be bad. It can often be easier than sideloading, especially if you don't have a computer near by. I did it while waiting for my plane the other day and it was nice to have the camera improvements before I got to my destination. Just plan to do a factory reset after you get the update if it bothers you.
Not to mention, I am fairly sure whenever you install Google Apps after installing a dirty flashing an updated ROM it does the same thing as clearing data on the framework. I have certain apps I always have to reinstall or they stop getting push updates after doing that.

Tony_YYZ said:
It's not worth your time trying to explain this. There are those who will always believe they are right. They will continue to ignore knowledge provided by those who are experts on the matter and believe they are right.
The most common excuse I read is "I've been doing it for so long without any issues". The technical explanation clearly states that the issues that happen are more often than not invisible to the user. Then they'll take to XDA to create a bunch of threads about "OMGZZZZ MY PHONE IS BROKEZORZ, GOOGLE IS TURNING INTO APPLE...RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE" and not even think that the issues might be related to breaking GCM in an app or similar.
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I don't want to progress yet another thread about this within two days, but I completely agree with your last point. I bet half of the people that do this will post on here in about a week saying their apps aren't syncing/working and "nexus 5 sucks" etc etc. I've already responded to someone who was asking about his gmail not syncing properly on 4.4.2. I asked him if he cleared the framework to get the update. Would be a great example if that's why he's having the problem.

Grims said:
Not to mention, I am fairly sure whenever you install Google Apps after installing a dirty flashing an updated ROM it does the same thing as clearing data on the framework. I have certain apps I always have to reinstall or they stop getting push updates after doing that.
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That's not the point. He's not telling people who are familiar with these phones to do it. He's telling people who have no idea what the hell they are doing to do it.

PsychDrummer said:
I don't want to progress yet another thread about this within two days, but I completely agree with your last point. I bet half of the people that do this will post on here in about a week saying their apps aren't syncing/working and "nexus 5 sucks" etc etc. I've already responded to someone who was asking about his gmail not syncing properly on 4.4.2. I asked him if he cleared the framework to get the update. Would be a great example if that's why he's having the problem.
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Alright, the real question here is after someone has cleared the framework, is there a way to recover or go back without restoring a backup or reflashing an OTA from scratch? Or does it just take time for Google to catch up? And DO they eventually catch up to the device? Or is it inevitably doomed once you clear. We can argue about why or why not, but lets figure out how.

Love how people jump on this guy or the one from yesterday who posted it. Been doing this on my past 4 devices. If something clears, wouldn't it be like hard resetting your device. All the information will get populated back. I also believe the engineer said there is a possibility something can go wrong. There is always the possibility something can go wrong with anything!
You can screw up your phone just taking an OOTO. People just need to let it go. We also do not know what his true intentions were for saying that.
If you do not want to clear data, then don't but don't tell others not to do it unless anyone here has experienced a problem first hand in doing so.

[email protected] said:
Love how people jump on this guy or the one from yesterday who posted it. Been doing this on my past 4 devices. If something clears, wouldn't it be like hard resetting your device. All the information will get populated back. I also believe the engineer said there is a possibility something can go wrong. There is always the possibility something can go wrong with anything!
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It is not a question of 'if'. If you clear the services framework, Gmail notifications are 100% guaranteed to stop working for a time (could be 10 minutes, could be several days). Thankfully, Gmail is one of the few apps that will eventually realize the GCM id has changed and is able to deal with it. That is not the case for other apps.
The problem is people here don't see their phone or apps crashing and think everything is fine. But a week later they realize stuff isn't syncing or notifications aren't coming in and they blame it on the software update.

Again?? REALLY!! Google say no, like it or not they are the experts...
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HOXnoo8 said:
Alright, the real question here is after someone has cleared the framework, is there a way to recover or go back without restoring a backup or reflashing an OTA from scratch? Or does it just take time for Google to catch up? And DO they eventually catch up to the device? Or is it inevitably doomed once you clear. We can argue about why or why not, but lets figure out how.
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His true intentions were to stop people from potentially messing up their phones and then ignorantly going online or on an apps review page and spouting off about how broken the app or phone is. To think differently makes no sense.
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I am stuck in boot loop with this method
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