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[Q] Auto Created "/sdcard/0" After Installing Trickdroid 6?

hello everyone, I installed Trickdroid 6 a few days ago and noticed that it created a new folder - "/sdcard/0". Inside "/sdcard" there is the default Android system files.... but inside "/sdcard/0" there are the same system files... It seems as though after installing the new Trickdroid ROM, it boots/runs on "sdcard/0" instead of just "sdcard" as it did before I installed the ROM. I've ran several tests, including Quadrant and Linpack and everything seems to be running perfectly normal. I'm only wondering if this is OK, or did I do something wrong? I've even lost ROOT access afterwards, but managed to get it back doing a whole bunch of stuff. I want to delete the "0" folder and boot the ROM off of the regular "/sdcard" folder if it's possible. If I can't, it's no big deal. I was just wondering. Thanks in advance!

shinobix37 said:
hello everyone, I installed Trickdroid 6 a few days ago and noticed that it created a new folder - "/sdcard/0". Inside "/sdcard" there is the default Android system files.... but inside "/sdcard/0" there are the same system files... It seems as though after installing the new Trickdroid ROM, it boots/runs on "sdcard/0" instead of just "sdcard" as it did before I installed the ROM. I've ran several tests, including Quadrant and Linpack and everything seems to be running perfectly normal. I'm only wondering if this is OK, or did I do something wrong? I've even lost ROOT access afterwards, but managed to get it back doing a whole bunch of stuff. I want to delete the "0" folder and boot the ROM off of the regular "/sdcard" folder if it's possible. If I can't, it's no big deal. I was just wondering. Thanks in advance!
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/sdcard/0 is now the default location for your files in 4.2.2 due do 4.2.2 having multi account support so you should move all your files into that directory.

ohhh thanks man. I had a feeling it had to do with 4.2.2 base, but I needed confirmation. Thanks a billion!

It's so funny seeing people deals with issue normal Nexus users have known about for nearly a year...shows people don't read up on Android advances a lot...

EddyOS said:
It's so funny seeing people deals with issue normal Nexus users have known about for nearly a year...shows people don't read up on Android advances a lot...
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i dont think "normal nexus" users are any smarter than anyone here TBH. felt like headless chickens in the QA threads when i used to have the N4
latest example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=42223193&postcount=48

IINexusII said:
i dont think "normal nexus" users are any smarter than anyone here TBH. felt like headless chickens in the QA threads when i used to have the N4
latest example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=42223193&postcount=48
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True, I'm just saying we had to deal with all this last year when 4.2 dropped. Had everyone taken an interest in from the beginning it wouldn't be so much of a surprise now!
BTW, that post above is quite something! I mean, WOW...

EddyOS said:
It's so funny seeing people deals with issue normal Nexus users have known about for nearly a year...shows people don't read up on Android advances a lot...
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Ppl have better things to do then read about android devices. Just sayin.
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jags_the1 said:
Ppl have better things to do then read about android devices. Just sayin.
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Then the deserve to lose their data and screw their phones up! Who in their right tries to do stuff WITHOUT reading up on it first?

EddyOS said:
Then the deserve to lose their data and screw their phones up! Who in their right tries to do stuff WITHOUT reading up on it first?
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Take your waffle back to the Nexus Forum.
No one deserves to lose their data.

nobnut said:
Take your waffle back to the Nexus Forum.
No one deserves to lose their data.
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They do if they're too lazy to take an interest in Android as a whole. Isn't that why we're all here in the first place? Our love of all things Android? I go to all forums on here and contribute and look to increase my knowledge by reading articles and taking in things people say - not just dive head first into something I have no idea about and then cry about it once I've screwed up
As for waffle, that's your opinion. I'll be here permanently in a month or so once I get my One

HORRIBLE experience setting up my Nexus 5 out of the box

I'm pretty experienced with setting up Android devices, mainly because I get a new one every month or so (it's a real problem). I had the Nexus 4 and recall allowing it to restore from a backup. When I did that on the Nexus 5, it started downloading random apps from other devices that I don't even use anymore. I don't know what backup it was pulling from, but it was messy.
The worst part was, it kind of froze in the middle and refused to keep downloading apps. I cleared the cache on the Play Store app and started again. It downloaded a few apps, then quit again. I tried clearing data on Google Play, downloads, and Framework and nothing would work. When I tried to download apps manually, it would just give me an error and say it couldn't download. It wouldn't even update my existing apps.
Finally, at the recommendation of someone in Google groups, I logged out of Hangouts, then tried to log back in. It wouldn't let me log back in, even after several restarts.
Ultimately, after trying pretty much everything, I had to do a factory wipe and start over from scratch. I went through something similar (though not as bad) restoring from a backup a few months back. The moral of the story is, I will probably never restore from backup again.
After about an hour of setting up my accounts and downloading my apps manually, it's finally up and running. What a ride.

Cool story, bro.
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I'll be restoring from my TB backup.

danjbry said:
Cool story, bro.
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Thanks for your valuable input, bro. Consider yourself reported.
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marinierb said:
I'll be restoring from my TB backup.
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Yeah, I was rooted, too. I don't understand Google's backup system. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as iCloud. They really need to work on that.
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greyhulk said:
allowing it to restore from a backup. When I did that on the Nexus 5, it started downloading random apps from other devices that I don't even use anymore. I don't know what backup it was puling from, but it was messy.
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it started downloading apps i have backed up on my nexus 7, which i agree is quite annoying
while i know it's popular to complain about complainers, OP has a valid point imo. i agree that they need to get it cleaned up, or at least allow you to choice individual devices.
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I don't understand Google's backup system. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as iCloud. They really need to work on that.
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+1

greyhulk said:
I'm pretty experienced with setting up Android devices, mainly because I get a new one every month or so (it's a real problem). I had the Nexus 4 and recall allowing it to restore from a backup. When I did that on the Nexus 5, it started downloading random apps from other devices that I don't even use anymore. I don't know what backup it was puling from, but it was messy.
The worst part was, it kind of froze in the middle and refused to keep downloading apps. I cleared the cache on the Play Store app and started again. It downloaded a few apps, then quit again. I tried clearing data on Google Play, downloads, and Framework and nothing would work. When I tried to download apps manually, it would just give me an error and say it couldn't download. It wouldn't even update my existing apps.
Finally, at the recommendation of someone in Google groups, I logged out of Hangouts, then tried to log back in. It wouldn't let me log back in, even after several restarts.
Ultimately, after trying pretty much everything, I had to do a factory wipe and start over from scratch. I went through something similar (though not as bad) restoring from a backup a few months back. The moral of the story is, I will probably never restore from backup again.
After about an hour of setting up my accounts and downloading my apps manually, it's finally up and running. What a ride.
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Pay a few dollars and get Titanium Backup Pro or Helium Premium. Google's backup and restore is horrendous; no one with any sense actually uses it. The paid versions of TiBu and Helium are well worth it. TiBu was my go-to for a long time, but I use Helium now. It has a much more user-friendly interface, and it doesn't require root.
greyhulk said:
Thanks for your valuable input, bro. Consider yourself reported.
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Haha you are on the Nexus 5 forum posting about something that has pretty much nothing to do with the Nexus 5 and is 100% user error. What kind of responses do you expect, especially considering the 500 worthless threads people have posted today complaining about irrelevant things. You totally brought this on yourself, and reporting someone for pointing that out is a waste of your time. Look around this forum; the mods let anything fly here.

greyhulk said:
Yeah, I was rooted, too. I don't understand Google's backup system. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as iCloud. They really need to work on that.
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I'm pretty sure that if you uninstall apps outside of the playstore, then upon a backup restore it will restore that app again. If you uninstall from the store, it won't restore it again. This is just my guess on things I think i've noticed.. I never actually tried to prove my theory right.
Basically there's no way for us to force it to sync a current setup. If you start flashing nandroids and roms will mess it up as well.

greyhulk said:
Yeah, I was rooted, too. I don't understand Google's backup system. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as iCloud. They really need to work on that.
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In the Play Store it keeps track of every app you download, if you no longer want them backed up you have to delete them from "my apps."
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Paddington said:
Pay a few dollars and get Titanium Backup Pro or Helium Premium. Google's backup and restore is horrendous; no one with any sense actually uses it. The paid versions of TiBu and Helium are well worth it. TiBu was my go-to for a long time, but I use Helium now. It has a much more user-friendly interface, and it doesn't require root.
Haha you are on the Nexus 5 forum posting about something that has pretty much nothing to do with the Nexus 5 and is 100% user error. What kind of responses do you expect, especially considering the 500 worthless threads people have posted today complaining about irrelevant things. You totally brought this on yourself, and reporting someone for pointing that out is a waste of your time. Look around this forum; the mods let anything fly here.
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How, pray tell, was a Google backup failing to restore "user error"?
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I have no science behind this statement but I've always thought that restoring TB backups to different devices was extremely risky.
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Paddington said:
Haha you are on the Nexus 5 forum posting about something that has pretty much nothing to do with the Nexus 5 and is 100% user error. What kind of responses do you expect, especially considering the 500 worthless threads people have posted today complaining about irrelevant things. You totally brought this on yourself, and reporting someone for pointing that out is a waste of your time. Look around this forum; the mods let anything fly here.
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are you kidding me? nexus 5 may not have much to do with it, but this is a very legitimate bug in the current backup/restore system google has in place. i'm sure in time further revisions with work things out, but right now it sucks.
fwiw, i have everything backed up in titanium, but i'm not rooted and i don't wanna mess around with that right now. having the ability to easily move from android to android is something that has been sorely missing for some time for the average user.
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mjs2011 said:
I have no science behind this statement but I've always thought that restoring TB backups to different devices was extremely risky.
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it can be, you're often not supposed to restore app data but...

greyhulk said:
How, pray tell, was a Google backup failing to restore "user error"?
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Because Google backup doesn't work. You said yourself you've had problems with it before. For someone "experienced in setting up Android phones," I am surprised you haven't been using TiBu/Helium all along. Trust me, it's well worth spending the few dollars if you switch phones or ROMs more than once a year. Relying on Google backup to restore anything more than your contacts is user error.

Paddington said:
Because Google backup doesn't work. You said yourself you've had problems with it before. For someone "experienced in setting up Android phones," I am surprised you haven't been using TiBu/Helium all along. Trust me, it's well worth spending the few dollars if you switch phones or ROMs more than once a year. Relying on Google backup to restore anything more than your contacts is user error.
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system error brah

Paddington said:
Haha you are on the Nexus 5 forum posting about something that has pretty much nothing to do with the Nexus 5 and is 100% user error. What kind of responses do you expect, especially considering the 500 worthless threads people have posted today complaining about irrelevant things. You totally brought this on yourself, and reporting someone for pointing that out is a waste of your time. Look around this forum; the mods let anything fly here.
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It is not that we let anything fly here, it is just that with around 90 device forums to monitor we are spread around.
Feel free to use the report button when you see something that should not "FLY"
the information has been given,
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Simple Trick to Force the 4.4.2 OTA

So this is a well-known trick that has worked since the N4 but I wanted to share it anyway. If you go to check for the update and it still says up to date, try this method as it has just worked for my N5 and my N7:
Settings>Apps>All Tab>Google Services Framework>Clear Data>Go back to check update and it should work, if not try the steps again.
Like I said, this has worked for my previous N4, N5, and N7(2013). Each time, I tried the check update button alone at least 5 times in a row with no luck, then trying the trick and checking it worked for each device.
Oh and BTW, this trick if done EXACTLY like this DOES NOT invalidate the tokens like some claim. My play store and GMAIL are completely fine on both devices.
PS: Do this at your own risk/if your new to Android (Butthurt syndrome cured)

A Google employee also explained why you should not do this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...ear_data_for_google_service_framework/cdiymrp

Oh no you didn't.

myorks1127 said:
So this is a well-known trick that has worked since the N4 but I wanted to share it anyway. If you go to check for the update and it still says up to date, try this method as it has just worked for my N5 and my N7:
Settings>Apps>All Tab>Google Services Framework>Clear Data>Go back to check update and it should work, if not try the steps again.
Like I said, this has worked for my previous N4, N5, and N7(2013). Each time, I tried the check update button alone at least 5 times in a row with no luck, then trying the trick and checking it worked for each device.
Oh and BTW, this trick if done EXACTLY like this DOES NOT invalidate the tokens like some claim. My play store and GMAIL are completely fine on both devices.
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You're wrong, you shouldn't do that. A quick Google will tell you why

bozzykid said:
A Google employee also explained why you should not do this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...ear_data_for_google_service_framework/cdiymrp
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I read that post before and have yet to find a single issue with my devices and never had an issue for my N4 when I did it so I don't see what the big deal is...there is another very similar method that does indeed mess up the tokens but it IS NOT the same by any means.
Please prove me wrong, I will check anything on my phone that you think isn't working now because I did this the quick and easy way instead of wasting my time sideloading...

myorks1127 said:
I read that post before and have yet to find a single issue with my devices and never had an issue for my N4 when I did it so I don't see what the big deal is...there is another very similar method that does indeed mess up the tokens but it IS NOT the same by any means.
Please prove me wrong, I will check anything on my phone that you think isn't working now because I did this the quick and easy way instead of wasting my time sideloading...
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i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you don't work for Google, specifically the Android/Mobile division. but since you don't see what the big deal is (going against what a Google engineer says) we should all believe you.
this may not mess up your phone, but it wrecks havoc on the back end of Google's servers... when a Google engineer tells us all not to do something, then thoroughly explains why, it's probably best to heed his advice.

Tried this, took five data clears and it gave me the update. Thanks!
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Lucke said:
i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you don't work for Google, specifically the Android/Mobile division. but since you don't see what the big deal is (going against what a Google engineer says) we should all believe you.
this may not mess up your phone, but it wrecks havoc on the back end of Google's servers... when a Google engineer tells us all not to do something, then thoroughly explains why, it's probably best to heed his advice.
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It doesn't wreak havok on my end so why would I care?

I'll go out on a limb and say if it caused that much grief for Google the clear data feature would have been gone a long time ago.

Its worked since the nexus s btw
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I've done it with every update since ICS and never had an issue...and its always worked
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Glad I finally have some people backing me up lol, my brother is an engineer for Amazon and he thinks he knows everything too...

And this is how people who don't know better come here to XDA and mess up their devices because they follow bad advice that they read. Don't do this. It can have unintended consequences and according to Google has absolutely no effect on when you will receive an OTA.

muyoso said:
And this is how people who don't know better come here to XDA and mess up their devices because they follow bad advice that they read. Don't do this. It can have unintended consequences and according to Google has absolutely no effect on when you will receive an OTA.
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People who don't follow the exact directions you mean..and are you saying that this trick worked for 3 Nexus devices I own completely by chance after trying to update over 5 times each before doing the trick and then it working after the trick?

myorks1127 said:
People who don't follow the exact directions you mean..and are you saying that this trick worked for 3 Nexus devices I own completely by chance after trying to update over 5 times each before doing the trick and then it working after the trick?
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What I am saying is that it doesn't matter how many people like you swear that it works. The people who actually work on Android say it doesn't and that it can have bad consequences. And anyone who actually wants the update can simply sideload it with absolutely no ill effects if they want to force the update onto their devices early. There is absolutely zero reason to do what you swear works.

muyoso said:
What I am saying is that it doesn't matter how many people like you swear that it works. The people who actually work on Android say it doesn't and that it can have bad consequences. And anyone who actually wants the update can simply sideload it with absolutely no ill effects if they want to force the update onto their devices early. There is absolutely zero reason to do what you swear works.
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The reason to do it is to save time and hassle of doing all the steps needed for side loading, but no worries, I got the update faster and easier than anyone who side loaded with ZERO consequences to me..:good:, your Google knee pads must be pretty worn out by now huh?

Or you can just wait for the update. I'm still on 4.4 and happy about it. 4.4.1 brought radio issues, and 4.4.2 also seems to have a few bugs. Hopefully by the time I get the OTA, the bugs will be fixed.

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The reason to do it is to save time and hassle of doing all the steps needed for side loading, but no worries, I got the update faster and easier than anyone who side loaded with ZERO consequences to me..:good:, your Google knee pads must be pretty worn out by now huh?
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Yes, I am sucking Google's **** because I am telling users who don't know better that Google specifically said not to do this. You got me. My secret is out.

myorks1127 said:
It doesn't wreak havok on my end so why would I care?
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The problem is you don't know if it does. Because the GCM id changes, things like push messages from different apps will likely stop working (maybe permanently if they don't properly handle a changing id). You might not of noticed this much in the past because not a lot of apps utilized GCM push messages. However, more and more apps are using them today.

It's amazing that people will ignore advice from the people that have written the actual software. Just don't do it. The worst part about doing it is that you may not even know that something has messed up because its not obvious.

Thanks worked for me
Took me straight from 4,4 to 4,4.2 after 4 attempts

Force OTA if not comfortable with sideload...

Settings, Apps, All, Google Service Framework.
Force Stop, Clear Data.
Then check for update in About Phone.
Then repeat these steps, and the update shows up on the second check. Repeated this on 3 phones to get 4.4.2 where 4.4.1 hadn't even popped up previously.
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Note, this procedure is to be followed at your own risk. I have completed this successfully on 3 x Nexus 5 from v4.4, however I can not test all scenarios or be responsible for any subsequent issues, whether related to this method or not. If you cant accept this, then wait for the OTA.

FunkyMagic-UK said:
Settings, Apps, All, Google Service Framework.
Force Stop, Clear Data.
Then check for update in About Phone.
Then repeat these steps, and the update shows up on the second check. Repeated this on 3 phones to get 4.4.2 where 4.4.1 hadn't even popped up previously.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...to-never-clear-google-service-framework-data/

FunkyMagic-UK said:
Settings, Apps, All, Google Service Framework.
Force Stop, Clear Data.
Then check for update in About Phone.
Then repeat these steps, and the update shows up on the second check. Repeated this on 3 phones to get 4.4.2 where 4.4.1 hadn't even popped up previously.
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No. We already had a long thread about this. Please have a mod close this.
And not to sound rude - but if you're uncomfortable with sideload, you probably shouldn't have a Nexus.

I don't believe the Dan M statement is wholly accurate, given I've thoroughly checked the issues he says might arise.
I suspect it's more a case of him protecting Googles roll out schedule planning with a plausible explanation.
Not sure why someone not comfortable with sideloads shouldn't have a Nexus... it's just a regular consumer phone like any other.
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I don't believe the Dan M statement is wholly accurate, given I've thoroughly checked the issues he says might arise.
I suspect it's more a case of him protecting Googles roll out schedule planning with a plausible explanation.
Not sure why someone not comfortable with sideloads shouldn't have a Nexus... it's just a regular consumer phone like any other.
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1. If someone who writes the code for Google tells you not to do something and gives you a list of reasons, I would suggest listening. As pointed out in the thread it can cause problems and it isn't always something you notice.
2. Because there is no danger in sideloading. It will either work or refuse to flash.
3. It's a Nexus. It's meant for that kind of thing. It's EXTREMELY easy.
4. If they aren't comfortable with sideloading, they probably wouldn't know whether or not their device had an issue after the update. They could miss out on certain features, apps not functioning properly, etc. You are essentially telling someone computer illiterate that they should do something that could potentially mess something up on their device instead of doing something that is fool-proof. That's irresponsible. Not to mention - they wouldn't even know how to fix it if it did damage anything

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I don't believe the Dan M statement is wholly accurate, given I've thoroughly checked the issues he says might arise.
I suspect it's more a case of him protecting Googles roll out schedule planning with a plausible explanation.
Not sure why someone not comfortable with sideloads shouldn't have a Nexus... it's just a regular consumer phone like any other.
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What do you mean you've thoroughly checked? You've isolated and tested the behavior of every single app that uses GCM after a framework data clear?
I mean, you are essentially accusing an Android engineer of taking to reddit to lie.. but why? Considering they have provided an officially supported method of sideloading OTA updates the idea they are "protecting roll out schedule planning" is total nonsense.
There are only 2 possible scenarios here
1) Dan Morrill is being 100% truthful
2) Instead of simply disabling the "Clear Data" button in Framework which would be dead simple, Google has chosen to send engineers to social media to spread lies and misinformation

I upgraded from 4.4 to 4.4.2 with 0 problems , if Google says don't sideload what u gonna do no side load?
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seriously sideload is about the easiest way to do it other than being able to download it direct to the phone and parse the sdcard like the way phones used to work... i know windows machines and that whole "driver" thing you guys need to deal with can get annoying but it's really not difficult. if you are afriad of command prompts then wait the 2 weeks or so that it takes to get it rolled out.

People spend a good amount of time on making instructional threads, gathering information all in one place, doing everything in their power to make it easy for even a complete beginner to do stuff with their phones, and we still have people wanting them to do it the harder way.
And then they defend their thinking with some ridicilous conspiracy theory that completely contradicts the very nature of how Google DEMONSTRATES that they are 100% behind people sideloading (ie: taking the all of 30 seconds it takes to do) an upate onto their phone) by implying that they have a vested interest in slowing down the number of activations?
Seriously now.

You people crack me up. Before this person from google said do not do this we ALL did it multiple time on multiple devices at least I did. No core meltdowns... yet.
remember these are the same people who thought the Nexus 5 camera was good to go as is...

crachel said:
What do you mean you've thoroughly checked? You've isolated and tested the behavior of every single app that uses GCM after a framework data clear?
I mean, you are essentially accusing an Android engineer of taking to reddit to lie.. but why? Considering they have provided an officially supported method of sideloading OTA updates the idea they are "protecting roll out schedule planning" is total nonsense.
There are only 2 possible scenarios here
1) Dan Morrill is being 100% truthful
2) Instead of simply disabling the "Clear Data" button in Framework which would be dead simple, Google has chosen to send engineers to social media to spread lies and misinformation
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It's not worth your time trying to explain this. There are those who will always believe they are right. They will continue to ignore knowledge provided by those who are experts on the matter and believe they are right.
The most common excuse I read is "I've been doing it for so long without any issues". The technical explanation clearly states that the issues that happen are more often than not invisible to the user. Then they'll take to XDA to create a bunch of threads about "OMGZZZZ MY PHONE IS BROKEZORZ, GOOGLE IS TURNING INTO APPLE...RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE" and not even think that the issues might be related to breaking GCM in an app or similar.

Who cares if it can be bad. It can often be easier than sideloading, especially if you don't have a computer near by. I did it while waiting for my plane the other day and it was nice to have the camera improvements before I got to my destination. Just plan to do a factory reset after you get the update if it bothers you.
Not to mention, I am fairly sure whenever you install Google Apps after installing a dirty flashing an updated ROM it does the same thing as clearing data on the framework. I have certain apps I always have to reinstall or they stop getting push updates after doing that.

Tony_YYZ said:
It's not worth your time trying to explain this. There are those who will always believe they are right. They will continue to ignore knowledge provided by those who are experts on the matter and believe they are right.
The most common excuse I read is "I've been doing it for so long without any issues". The technical explanation clearly states that the issues that happen are more often than not invisible to the user. Then they'll take to XDA to create a bunch of threads about "OMGZZZZ MY PHONE IS BROKEZORZ, GOOGLE IS TURNING INTO APPLE...RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE" and not even think that the issues might be related to breaking GCM in an app or similar.
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I don't want to progress yet another thread about this within two days, but I completely agree with your last point. I bet half of the people that do this will post on here in about a week saying their apps aren't syncing/working and "nexus 5 sucks" etc etc. I've already responded to someone who was asking about his gmail not syncing properly on 4.4.2. I asked him if he cleared the framework to get the update. Would be a great example if that's why he's having the problem.

Grims said:
Not to mention, I am fairly sure whenever you install Google Apps after installing a dirty flashing an updated ROM it does the same thing as clearing data on the framework. I have certain apps I always have to reinstall or they stop getting push updates after doing that.
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That's not the point. He's not telling people who are familiar with these phones to do it. He's telling people who have no idea what the hell they are doing to do it.

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I don't want to progress yet another thread about this within two days, but I completely agree with your last point. I bet half of the people that do this will post on here in about a week saying their apps aren't syncing/working and "nexus 5 sucks" etc etc. I've already responded to someone who was asking about his gmail not syncing properly on 4.4.2. I asked him if he cleared the framework to get the update. Would be a great example if that's why he's having the problem.
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Alright, the real question here is after someone has cleared the framework, is there a way to recover or go back without restoring a backup or reflashing an OTA from scratch? Or does it just take time for Google to catch up? And DO they eventually catch up to the device? Or is it inevitably doomed once you clear. We can argue about why or why not, but lets figure out how.

Love how people jump on this guy or the one from yesterday who posted it. Been doing this on my past 4 devices. If something clears, wouldn't it be like hard resetting your device. All the information will get populated back. I also believe the engineer said there is a possibility something can go wrong. There is always the possibility something can go wrong with anything!
You can screw up your phone just taking an OOTO. People just need to let it go. We also do not know what his true intentions were for saying that.
If you do not want to clear data, then don't but don't tell others not to do it unless anyone here has experienced a problem first hand in doing so.

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Love how people jump on this guy or the one from yesterday who posted it. Been doing this on my past 4 devices. If something clears, wouldn't it be like hard resetting your device. All the information will get populated back. I also believe the engineer said there is a possibility something can go wrong. There is always the possibility something can go wrong with anything!
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It is not a question of 'if'. If you clear the services framework, Gmail notifications are 100% guaranteed to stop working for a time (could be 10 minutes, could be several days). Thankfully, Gmail is one of the few apps that will eventually realize the GCM id has changed and is able to deal with it. That is not the case for other apps.
The problem is people here don't see their phone or apps crashing and think everything is fine. But a week later they realize stuff isn't syncing or notifications aren't coming in and they blame it on the software update.

Again?? REALLY!! Google say no, like it or not they are the experts...
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HOXnoo8 said:
Alright, the real question here is after someone has cleared the framework, is there a way to recover or go back without restoring a backup or reflashing an OTA from scratch? Or does it just take time for Google to catch up? And DO they eventually catch up to the device? Or is it inevitably doomed once you clear. We can argue about why or why not, but lets figure out how.
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His true intentions were to stop people from potentially messing up their phones and then ignorantly going online or on an apps review page and spouting off about how broken the app or phone is. To think differently makes no sense.
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I am stuck in boot loop with this method
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Full system partition after 6.0.1 update.

Alright, so let me start by saying I read around and I know it's normal, Google just decided to pack the system partition full this time around, but when using the diskinfo app, it shows that there are 0B of unused data! Is that right? Not a single byte? Haha that's weird that Google would choose this! And I know you can delete some Google bloatware to get some space back. Anyways, question here is, is everyone else at 0B after this 6.0.1 update?
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Mines full up as well, or at least it was til I made room for cataclysm. Google makes stock with the idea that you'll never touch the /system ever so having it 100% full just means Google is using every bit of space available to them trying to keep from using internal storage space for their google apps.

As others have said and done, delete some unused Google apps from /system/apps or some foreign language keyboards from /system.

JimSmith94 said:
As others have said and done, delete some unused Google apps from /system/apps or some foreign language keyboards from /system.
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Yes, I've seen this said in many threads, I made this thread just to see if everyone else had 0B of memory open.
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StykerB said:
Mines full up as well, or at least it was til I made room for cataclysm. Google makes stock with the idea that you'll never touch the /system ever so having it 100% full just means Google is using every bit of space available to them trying to keep from using internal storage space for their google apps.
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It's strange really! Thanks for the input though! Glad it's supposed to be this full, I was starting to even think there might be left over files from flashing or something strange like that! Lol
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H4X0R46 said:
It's strange really! Thanks for the input though! Glad it's supposed to be this full, I was starting to even think there might be left over files from flashing or something strange like that! Lol
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Empty space is not full but "reserved"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64208563&postcount=3393

I did a comparison between the system partition of the MMB29K factory image and my AOSP MMB29K based rom with Benzo Gapps which is quite full and the difference is 1,3 GB. The difference is actually about 100M less, because a couple of Google apps is called Prebuilt-something, and it differs from the Gapps installed. So if anybody needs space on system, there's a lot of things to delete from.

This was done to prevent things like xposed. With the more strict root setup and this Google is making it harder and harder for things like xposed which google wants to put an end to.

zelendel said:
This was done to prevent things like xposed. With the more strict root setup and this Google is making it harder and harder for things like xposed which google wants to put an end to.
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I sincerely doubt it. I don't think Google cares about any software particularly. It's more to stop those messing with their system partition that are not entirely sure what they are doing.

istperson said:
I sincerely doubt it. I don't think Google cares about any software particularly. It's more to stop those messing with their system partition that are not entirely sure what they are doing.
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Don't be mistaken. Google doesn't like what we do here.

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Don't be mistaken. Google doesn't like what we do here.
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I don't doubt that for a second. I just don'T believe that that is the main reason the system partition is being filled to the brim.

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This was done to prevent things like xposed. With the more strict root setup and this Google is making it harder and harder for things like xposed which google wants to put an end to.
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I really wouldn't doubt it! I was thinking maybe to put an end to root or something like that! Now you have to delete some of the Google bloatware to install traditional root or xposed! I just wonder how they're going to update the Nexus 6 to the next version of Android with no space to work with, unless it is just reserved space and done on purpose.

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Empty space is not full but "reserved"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64208563&postcount=3393
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Just now read that post, well that's just strange! Like I said, I wonder how Google will update this phone further with the next version of Android!

The nexus 5 did the same thing when it was updated to lollipop, it had a 1gb system partition, now the nexus 6 is doing it with a 2gb system partition, the nexus 6p has a 3gb partition, and it wouldn't surprise me android Nougat or Nutella or whatever will probably fill it up too for whatever reason.

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The nexus 5 did the same thing when it was updated to lollipop, it had a 1gb system partition, now the nexus 6 is doing it with a 2gb system partition, the nexus 6p has a 3gb partition, and it wouldn't surprise me android Nougat or Nutella or whatever will probably fill it up too for whatever reason.
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The 6P has a 3GB partition? Wow! That's kinda neat actually lol and I just checked the disk space on my sisters Nexus 5 and yea! It's nearly full with a few MB open! And that phone has a locked bootloader and never had any mods installed, it's clean lol That's interesting and I wonder what they're real reasoning is. It could very well be that they don't like system mods on their phones, but like everything else, XDA devs find a way around that almost instantly! Hence the reason people are deleting Google bloatware apps and installing them through the play store! Easy work around
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H4X0R46 said:
The 6P has a 3GB partition? Wow! That's kinda neat actually lol and I just checked the disk space on my sisters Nexus 5 and yea! It's nearly full with a few MB open! And that phone has a locked bootloader and never had any mods installed, it's clean lol That's interesting and I wonder what they're real reasoning is. It could very well be that they don't like system mods on their phones, but like everything else, XDA devs find a way around that almost instantly! Hence the reason people are deleting Google bloatware apps and installing them through the play store! Easy work around
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The main reason is simple. Google doesnt think people need to mess with the system partition so wasted space is pointless.
No they dont like us messing with it and to be honest it has been a bain to their devices and os. Sooner or later they will find a way to lock it completely down.

zelendel said:
The main reason is simple. Google doesnt think people need to mess with the system partition so wasted space is pointless.
No they dont like us messing with it and to be honest it has been a bain to their devices and os. Sooner or later they will find a way to lock it completely down.
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I sure hope not! That would be awful! :/ people buy a Nexus for the development community and the mods that are out there! But XDA devs work fast, there will be a way to change that rather quickly if this happens! [emoji14] But like I said, that would be awful! Chainfire's systemless root is a huge step in the right direction though! Having root in the boot.img so you can remove bloatware!

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I sure hope not! That would be awful! :/ people buy a Nexus for the development community and the mods that are out there! But XDA devs work fast, there will be a way to change that rather quickly if this happens! [emoji14] But like I said, that would be awful! Chainfire's systemless root is a huge step in the right direction though! Having root in the boot.img so you can remove bloatware!
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Have you been readin just what he has been saying about it? Even for the nexus Root is not seen as a good thing. Dont get me wrong doesnt matter to me anyway as I dont use google based roms myself so it is just a matter of compiling the new build.
But it is happening. If you step back like a few of us have you can see it coming. Even more and more apps from the play store are looking for things like root and xposed and refusing to work if they are detected.

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Have you been readin just what he has been saying about it? Even for the nexus Root is not seen as a good thing. Dont get me wrong doesnt matter to me anyway as I dont use google based roms myself so it is just a matter of compiling the new build.
But it is happening. If you step back like a few of us have you can see it coming. Even more and more apps from the play store are looking for things like root and xposed and refusing to work if they are detected.
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Oh wow! That's the first I'm hearing of this! I really like Android for it's flexibility and open source licensing, that bums me out. :/ Well thanks for bringing that to my attention! I'll read up on that.

H4X0R46 said:
Oh wow! That's the first I'm hearing of this! I really like Android for it's flexibility and open source licensing, that bums me out. :/ Well thanks for bringing that to my attention! I'll read up on that.
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This is a very common misconception. Only the android kernel is open source. The rest is not. Only AOSP (different then google android) is open source. The flexibility that Google was talking about was being able to change launchers, SMS apps and things like that. They dont really want you messing with the OS.