I love that this is finally happening, and I think there's a part being played by HTC in this one.
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Samsung is quickly learning what Apple learned last fall: When expectations are sky-high, it doesn’t take much to send them crashing back down to earth. Reuters reports that Samsung “lost $12 billion in market value on Friday, hit by brokerage downgrades that have underscored concerns about slowing sales of its flagship Galaxy S4 smartphone.” The reason for the rapid crash in Samsung’s stock price is reports that sales of its high-end Galaxy S4 are expected to come in below earlier estimates even as sales of its lower-end devices continue to be brisk. Take those two factors together and you’ve got some real worries about whether Samsung’s upcoming profits will live up to expectations — or as Kim Young-chan, an analyst at Shinhan Investment Corp, tells Reuters, “This has also sparked concerns about thinning margins and lower growth.”
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m7! m7! m7! suck it shamesung.
I love my HTC, but Samsung makes great products too. It is disappointing they didn't do much new this time around but they're doing well supporting older devices too.
Either way, this could happen to anyone, even HTC. The higher you climb to the top, the higher expectations are. Eventually you reach a point where there isn't really that much else you can deliver at the time (perhaps lack of available technology). The rise to the top will eventually level off and others will catch up until most of the market is relatively equal. Or you bomb and fall to the bottom.
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I love my HTC, but Samsung makes great products too. It is disappointing they didn't do much new this time around but they're doing well supporting older devices too.
Either way, this could happen to anyone, even HTC. The higher you climb to the top, the higher expectations are. Eventually you reach a point where there isn't really that much else you can deliver at the time (perhaps lack of available technology). The rise to the top will eventually level off and others will catch up until most of the market is relatively equal. Or you bomb and fall to the bottom.
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More like "assumption much"... After having my ONE for some time, I'm regretting not sticking with Samsung. I tried switching mine out for the S4, but I was too late and already beyond the 15 day return. Among many small nitpicks the ONE's camera is absolutely horrible for my line of work and development seems to be a lot better for the S4 in it's sprint section.
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More like "assumption much"... After having my ONE for some time, I'm regretting not sticking with Samsung. I tried switching mine out for the S4, but I was too late and already beyond the 15 day return. Among many small nitpicks the ONE's camera is absolutely horrible for my line of work and development seems to be a lot better for the S4 in it's sprint section.
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What kind of work requires a higher resolution camera phone? If they require you to have something like that, they should either buy you a Galaxy S4 or a DSLR. It's really not an assumption when it boils down to the numbers. There's been very little word out there from any of the tech blogs saying that the S4 is a better phone than the HTC One, and because HTC beat them to the market, they got a head start. When it hits Verizon, it'll make an even bigger impact to the "projected" sales that Samsung had for the S4. I'm not seeing near as much marketing for the S4 as I am the One either.
Opinions are opinions, and if you feel that the S4 is a superior phone, I'm sure you could find someone on Craigslist willing to trade because they probably made the wrong decision in their mind about the S4.
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What kind of work requires a higher resolution camera phone? If they require you to have something like that, they should either buy you a Galaxy S4 or a DSLR. It's really not an assumption when it boils down to the numbers. There's been very little word out there from any of the tech blogs saying that the S4 is a better phone than the HTC One, and because HTC beat them to the market, they got a head start. When it hits Verizon, it'll make an even bigger impact to the "projected" sales that Samsung had for the S4. I'm not seeing near as much marketing for the S4 as I am the One either.
Opinions are opinions, and if you feel that the S4 is a superior phone, I'm sure you could find someone on Craigslist willing to trade because they probably made the wrong decision in their mind about the S4.
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It's not about having a higher resolution camera at all... The camera just sucks. Refer to THIS thread and you'll see what I'm talking about... I even posting some of my pictures there. And it's not at all about one phone being superior to the other... IMO they are too similar to draw a conclusion.
I bolded the part that's true and why I think they're not seeing the numbers they expected. Think about all the people in my shoes that can't switch over because they're outside the 15 day windows and don't want to pay the difference. I originally wanted the S4, but because the HTC ONE came out first I got it with the mindset "What the hell, I'll just try something new this time around". Don't be surprised to see much from the sales for Verizon when it comes out for them if this theory is correct because a lot of people would either already have the S4 or simply got tired of waiting for the ONE. As far as advertising goes, I don't know where you live but I have only see ONE advertisment for the HTC ONE whereas the S4 ads come on all the time. They came on almost every break during the first game of the NBA finals... Where's were HTC's?
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It's not about having a higher resolution camera at all... The camera just sucks. Refer to THIS thread and you'll see what I'm talking about... I even posting some of my pictures there. And it's not at all about one phone being superior to the other... IMO they are too similar to draw a conclusion.
I bolded the part that's true and why I think they're not seeing the numbers they expected. Think about all the people in my shoes that can't switch over because they're outside the 15 day windows and don't want to pay the difference. I originally wanted the S4, but because the HTC ONE came out first I got it with the mindset "What the hell, I'll just try something new this time around". Don't be surprised to see much from the sales for Verizon when it comes out for them if this theory is correct because a lot of people would either already have the S4 or simply got tired of waiting for the ONE. As far as advertising goes, I don't know where you live but I have only see ONE advertisment for the HTC ONE whereas the S4 ads come on all the time. They came on almost every break during the first game of the NBA finals... Where's were HTC's?
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Man you are lost. HTC One / Sprint was the official sponsor of all the NBA playoffs. During the first 3 Rounds I saw atleast 10 HTC one commercials every game and Kenny Charles and Ernie did an unboxing during halftime of bulls vs heat. The one is definitely getting put out there.
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Man you are lost. HTC One / Sprint was the official sponsor of all the NBA playoffs. During the first 3 Rounds I saw atleast 10 HTC one commercials every game and Kenny Charles and Ernie did an unboxing during halftime of bulls vs heat. The one is definitely getting put out there.
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How am I lost? Why you gotta be disrespectful? What I was talking about was the game LAST NIGHT. I haven't seen an HTC commercial in a long while and, granted I don't watch TV much, I certainly see more signs/billboards for the S4 (I travel a lot... airports are full of them) I have yet to see one for the ONE.
Getting nasty
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I love that this is finally happening, and I think there's a part being played by HTC in this one.
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Did you read the article?
"Sales of high-end handsets are lagging behind expectations, while low- to mid-end handsets are selling briskly worldwide," said Kim Young-chan, an analyst at Shinhan Investment Corp.The last time I checked the One was also a "high-end" handset so what the analysts are questioning at Samsung applies equally to HTC. More actually because HTC doesn't have a very big mid-tier portfolio of devices and is far less active in emerging markets where all the growth is.
As for HTC, they have their own issues to worry about.
“With One volume peaking and other models still weak, we believe May will be the peak of near-term sales,” he said in the note. HTC may experience a similar scenario as last year, when sales also peaked in May and June, he added. The Taoyuan-based company could also face headwinds from the generally slow market demand in the high-end smartphone segment, according to Citigroup. Chang attributed the slow demand to a combination of saturation in developed markets and demand being delayed to next year as consumers wait for the launch of the big-screen iPhone.http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2013/06/07/2003564143
We shouldn't be celebrating an android manufacturer losing money. This whole Samsung / HTC feud is getting as bad as the android / apple bs.
Yea, we're all on the same team here. That's the best part about Android, solid competition between good manufacturers. We get to choose which company suits us the best. I don't understand all the animosity.
I agree with metal fan, I prefer, buy and recommend htc only. I'm glad Samsung has been successful but not at the cost to htc. Remember when everyone is called androids droids? Now they're galaxies, Samsung and htc galaxies Lmao. Anyways, I'll gladly pitch in to a get tko a s4 fund so he can leave
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Samsung's dropping stock prices make me like my phone more...oh wait, no it doesn't
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They kinda did what HTC did last year. With the one x, one s, one v, one vx, one sv, one x+, and the butterfly/DNA. They water down the brand top much when they put the flagship name on too many devices.
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We shouldn't be celebrating an android manufacturer losing money. This whole Samsung / HTC feud is getting as bad as the android / apple bs.
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Quoted for truth. I really can't understand why people get upset or feel emotionally inclined to react to something like this. Someone calls your ONE a Galaxy or vice-versa, correct them and move on... No need to get be immature about it... Not everyone is as "in-the-loop" about technology as we are.
As for stock prices... It's pointless. Stocks go up and down and can't really be measured as a sign or success/failure. Look at how Microsoft's stock went down after the Xbox One reveal and Sony's went up even though we still have yet to actually see the P4. What I don't understand is from a hardware perspective they are nearly identical and because of such there's no noticeable difference, BUT the Xbox comes with MORE features than what Sony has said about the P4 and it's Xbox getting the shaft? Something is wrong there.
The Stock Market is very fickle. It is usually based on future expectations, and at some point those expectations oftentimes become unsustainable and the market backs off a little bit. Doesn't mean that Samsung is doing that badly, but the return on the investment has reached a point in which investors are not getting their expected return that they have invested so they back out for some time. Samsung and Apple both have huge cash reserves so they will be able to fund their own research and development in order to grow their business. I don't believe many investors are jumping off the bandwagon at this point, they are just taking a wait and see approach. A company only has so many huge hits. Apple can only create so many iPods, iPhones, and iPads before the competition catches up and they lose some market share. You can't expect a company to hit home runs every year.
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A couple of months ago, when I discovered that the new iphone would support exchange I admit to becoming quite interested in it, as luck would have it I spooted the up and coming diamond and decided to stick with what I know and like (WM). I have had my diamond for a month now and I love it!
Out of interest I looked at some iphone forums today to see how people are getting on with their new toys - result - I am gobsmacked! Loads of problems reported on 3g reception (for which the stock answer on the forums appears to be turn off 3g!) Loads of problems with battery life (for which the stock answers appear to be turn off 3g, don't use WIFI and carry a charger with you at all times) Loads of problems with exchange (is it push or pull?), build quality issues, activation issues (including some guy being chased out of a US apple store and assualted by some "activation monkey" security types because he did not follow the correct in store procedures), the list goes on.
Of course, many punters are very happy with theie purchase but unlike these forums, there appears to me to be a strong tendency to deny that anything could possibly be amiss with the "Jesus" phones' second coming on the basis that any flaw is actually some kind of feature deliberately prescribed by messr Jobs et al.
At leat on XDA-Devs, people are generally honest about issues with their devices and there are plenty of smart folk delivering improvements every day.
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At leat on XDA-Devs, people are generally honest about issues with their devices and there are plenty of smart folk delivering improvements every day.
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Well, I beg to differ.... Remember the whole "accelerated drivers" debacle?
I'd say that the main difference between iPhone lovers and WM people is another one...
1) cupertino lovers, for THE most part, do NOT really care about deficiencies, they just wait for Apple to solve them (which they will do soon enough).
2) WM people are just the opposite: they actively go out and look for solutions.
On the other side, both communities have a strong core of really talented people struggling hard to make their devices work beyond the levels they where supposed to (I don't have to make names, do I?..) The jailbreaking system is really an amazing work of hacking... and it's comparable to having WM5, WM6 and now WM6.1 run on 4 years old phones. Don't you agree?
i agree
i am very interested in gettin the iphone, though i have been drinkin that haterade, nvr been a fan of it, and im gettin on a new contract too... i will be able to keep my tilt and the iphone if i decide to get one, but on the other hand if att brings the tilt2 in sept. or oct. i would rather get that, wut should i do? but i really wanna try that 3g iphone, and battery has always been a prob. wit da iphone.
Im looking at it, but eBay prices put me off. It's only because I lost my P1i, and have 15 months left on my contract. But it's no problem, I've had 6 phones in the last year, so changing during contract isn't a problem. The £450 for 8gb is. I might go to a shop and check the speed of the old iphone on edge. Im on o2 anyway so no problem with unlocking.
But I really do respect how apple have actually taken into account all people said about the original (except for the camera)
just my 2 pence!!
Rory
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Another difference between iPhone and WM users:
1. WM users wonder what sex would be like in zero gravity.
2. iPhone users wonder what sex would be like.
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Another difference between iPhone and WM users:
1. WM users wonder what sex would be like in zero gravity.
2. iPhone users wonder what sex would be like.
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sex for iphone users
Well those were some interesting replies. You have to admit though that the power of the Apple marketing machine is awesome - I mean these things (Iphone or WM) are only tools at the end of the day, but the emotion they can generate.............
I will say this. Some of the iPhone Apps look pretty amazing, especially the planetarium ones. It kind of pisses me off that we WM people cannot get the same quality of apps in that regard. Perhaps when 640x480 gets better adoption the apps will get prettier.
All in all, the iphone apps suck, I mean you gotta have your face book app your yelp app, your myspace app..blahblah, but in the area of starmaps, it appears iphone wins hands down. (of course they get to standardize on one resolution which is higher than most wm resolutions)
I don't know what category I fit in because I've got an iPhone and a Touch and I love them both. The iPhone is for play and the Touch is for business. Both are sexy devices.
My iPhone (original) arrives Monday hopefully. I was going to get the Diamond, but getting an 8GB iPhone for £190 is a steal in my opinion. Compared to £400 plus for the Diamond.
Plus, I'll still have my Athena for the huge screen. I may even experiment with connecting the iPhone to my Athena via USB. Hmmm...
(Covers face in anticipation of stoning)
Rory
I hope you will be very happy with your crippled device.
I am very happy with it. You can all laugh, but I've still got the most expensive PPC HTC have ever made too, so I've got the best of both worlds. But if I get an EEE, the Athena might have to go. But then I'm left 3G-less... Hmm
Rory
Well I bought an iPhone 3G for my girlfriend, took 10 minutes to walk in, get iPhone, and come out activated... No monkeys. I guess I missed out on the fun. As for battery life, no worse than other PPC/Smartphones I've used... The exchange I've heard bad things about, but my girlfriend is 23 and blonde, she doesn't know what push and pull means except when it comes to... Well, nevermind. Overall I think the iPhone is the best device available in North America (where I'm stuck), but I'm waiting on a Touch Pro. I'd never say your idea to grab the Diamond over the iPhone was wrong, but I'd have basically no service here, so that kinda puts a bad taste to the HTC.
Actually the iPhone 3G is right for some people. It is limited in what it does but those things it does do very well. If it does all that you need then fine. Personally I need a bit more and the Diamond gives that.
Well said, I agree completely. For my girlfriend, the iPhone 3G is perfect... Everything she needs and then some. For me? A bit lacking... Hence me waiting for the Touch Pro while using this little POS Sony Ericsson Z310a.
I love my iPhone lol. Everything is so esay on it. And this is coming form someone who has owned 6 HTC phones and 1 UIQ device in the last year.
It trumps them all for me. But this is me. When there is a reason to jailbreak it, I will. I haven't yet because I'm on O2, so don't need it unlocked, and because there are no launchers or apps for 2.0 yet so...
But I am finding it hard to find fault with it, and I'm sure an upgrade to the 3G one will come when the price is more like £300 - £350 rather than £450 - £500.
That said, I do love the way on all my WM phones, I could download any one of a million cabs and it would probably work, no such luck with my iPhone. The google app is great but is basically just links to the web versions of things. Apple remote for itunes won't work properly, Carling's iPint is funny but lasts about 2 minutes as a game, and all the rest of the good apps cost, and I'm not prepared to pay.
Jailbreaking will probably bring pirated apps I guess.
But one last thing, no matter what I've seen anyone do on wm to wmulate the iPhone, nothing comes close to it's smoothness. But it does have a Diamond-like lag in that it loads the background to the app, then about a second later the rest of it. Similar to the diamond loading tabs from what I've seen.
Anyways, I'm not some iPhone fanboy as you can probably see from my join date and post count (although a bunch of my posts are, I will admit, pretty useless) So don't come over here flaming me for foriming aa balanced opinion.
Rory
With the amazing hardware the Captivate is boasting I imagine it would run WinMo like a top. Is the Captivate compatible with WinMo, or even better Windows Phone 7?
I know the HD2 was able to run FroYo, as well as WinMo 6.5, but I don't know if it's possible to load WinMo on an Android Phone.
Have any of the Devs tried WinMo on this beautiful hardware?
quarlow said:
With the amazing hardware the Captivate is boasting I imagine it would run WinMo like a top. Is the Captivate compatible with WinMo, or even better Windows Phone 7?
I know the HD2 was able to run FroYo, as well as WinMo 6.5, but I don't know if it's possible to load WinMo on an Android Phone.
Have any of the Devs tried WinMo on this beautiful hardware?
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I doubt anyone has even tried to load 6.5.3 on it. If Windows Phone 7 comes out and it doesn't suck someone may try to port it. The problem is WP7 seems to heavily favor the Qualcomm Snapdragon platform, so IDK how much luck they would have doing it.
Hopefully a very similar (like exactly) phone will be release with WP7 and we can just borrow it from there.
Not exactly WP7
but it's a launcher, fairly new (first version), needs to flatten out app drawer lag, but I use vlauncher for the apps themselves.
They need to add more features like more white text, swipe gestures, but it's called "Zune home".
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I don't see why anyone would want to downgrade such an amazing OS to windows 6.5! Not sure about wp 7, but i'm still leaning more towards android, especially 2.2.
xbox 360... that is why i want it
There will be a WP7 Samsung phone just like Captivate hardware wise. So, if you want WP7, buy that one.
WM6.xx is too slow and old. It makes zero sense to load them. It's a shame that a phone like HD2 even comes with WM6.5 and has no official way of getting to WP7.
On the other hand, it seems the slowest WP7 phones are all 1GHz and some will show up with 1.2 GHz vesion. So, it is definitely next gen of phone hardware. Captivate is outdated now
I cringed when I read the op
ah, I thought this was some kind of article put out about MS about the captivate...
People ported android to the HD2 because WM BLOWSSS
LOL captivate is out dated. Hardly. Until a chipset comes out that can actually compete with SGS. Either wp7 will blow just like the 6 before it.
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ksizzle9 said:
LOL captivate is out dated. Hardly. Until a chipset comes out that can actually compete with SGS. Either wp7 will blow just like the 6 before it.
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The only thing that beats us, is our bigger brother.. the Epic >_<
Sprint always getting the superphones >_>
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xbox 360... that is why i want it
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That doesn't even make sense
The epic does not beat the captivate. It runs touchwiz 2.5 since 3.0 does not support landscape. The epic is missing tons of features due to this. My evo with snapdragon runs just as good as my captivate with the lag fix and even faster then the captivate without lag fix. The captivate cpu is a little faster but android is optimized for the snapdragon cpu. Especially 2.2.
I really think WP7 is going to be awesome. Running WimMo 6.5 or 6.1 would be more of a novelty.
I hope WP7 is as awesome as it is looking, and that the devs can cook a ROM for the Captivate.
Another fan favorite for some reason is Windows 98/XP on a mobile device. That would be another novelty item, but interesting. It blows my mind to think it wasn't that long ago that 512 RAM, 1 GHz processor, and 16GB hard drive would have been top of the line and thousands of dollars.
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That doesn't even make sense
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He meant Live intergration, which looks cool. Live arcade marketplace is awesome. Also WP7 will have Netflix streaming which I want. Zune pass is also awesome. If they steal the kin feature to stream it over 3G that will be nice.
Also the epic has more features but it is also bigger, thicker and heavier.
I have not researched this keis thing much. But as far as winmo reading a word doc or be able to sync outlook easily would be all that I think would be useful. which just made me think I wonder if Office mobile itself would be a possibility to run on the captivate. I don't think you really need or want the whole winmo platform. Do you??
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My friend, if you're looking for a WinMo phone with Captivate-like specs, get the HD2.
Personally, I would love to see a port on the Captivate, but its highly unlikely considering how widely hated WinMo is.
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I really think WP7 is going to be awesome. Running WimMo 6.5 or 6.1 would be more of a novelty.
I hope WP7 is as awesome as it is looking, and that the devs can cook a ROM for the Captivate.
Another fan favorite for some reason is Windows 98/XP on a mobile device. That would be another novelty item, but interesting. It blows my mind to think it wasn't that long ago that 512 RAM, 1 GHz processor, and 16GB hard drive would have been top of the line and thousands of dollars.
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Wp 7 may be cool, but without multitasking, cut copy paste, and with MS taking an apple "walled garden" approach to development, we are basically looking at a sexified iOS 2.0. Until they implement these basic features I don't see how they can compete with android, the only thing they do have going for them is xbox live gaming
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Wp 7 may be cool, but without multitasking, cut copy paste, and with MS taking an apple "walled garden" approach to development, we are basically looking at a sexified iOS 2.0. Until they implement these basic features I don't see how they can compete with android, the only thing they do have going for them is xbox live gaming
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They will compete the same way they do in every space. Spending cash, and lots of it.
If I were Apple and Google I would be very depressed with WP7 because MS has commitetd to it and that means lots of resources will be thrown at it. I read that MS is going to spend 500M on advertising this year for WP7. They have also decided to open a Game Studio for WP7 like they did for Xbox with Halo.
Anyway, they also have the most recognizable name in consumer and corporate software. Combining that with the backend services they have like Zune and Live, it will be very hard for Apple and Google to keep innovating at a rate that can compete with MS, especially over the next couple of years. Mobile Phones turn over twice as fast as PCs so saying anyone is late to the party doesn't make sense especially when they still have the third highest market share and they have been on auto-pilot for years.
If you think that WP7 will lack these basic features for long you are sadly mistaken, after rolling up kin by killing it the team is probably stronger than ever.
Just my 0.02.
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They will compete the same way they do in every space. Spending cash, and lots of it.
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Which...is the same way everyone competes. All companies improve their products by throwing cash at it, developing it further, and advertising it. Microsoft may be extremely wealthy, but that doesn't mean much when their competitors are Apple, Google, RIM, and Nokia; all of which are among the wealthiest companies on Earth.
To get to the point, Microsoft may have money to spend, but so do their competitors. To make the point more poignant, Microsoft can't just make features magically appear by throwing $2Bn at it. They will have to spend time developing it.
Life2Monkeys has a great point. WP7 is a fresh start for Microsoft, but it's an extremely crippled fresh start. Right off the bat, they're far behind competitors that are already dominating the market, and currently taking WM6.5's marketshare. Of course, WP7 won't remain crippled forever, but considering they're already starting with major disadvantages, time is against them. The longer they take to become competitive, the more it hurts their marketshare.
P.S. As of Q2 2010, Windows Mobile is fourth in marketshare, not third. Their marketshare is almost 5x lower than the third place (which is Android). This is in comparison to 2008 when their marketshare was 14%; that means that over the course of two years, Microsoft lost almost 80% of their total marketshare.
So, yes, I'm afraid their 'auto-pilot' is costing them.
Source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/8/30/final-smartphone-share-for-2q-2010-unveiled.aspx
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Which...is the same way everyone competes. All companies improve their products by throwing cash at it, developing it further, and advertising it. Microsoft may be extremely wealthy, but that doesn't mean much when their competitors are Apple, Google, RIM, and Nokia; all of which are among the wealthiest companies on Earth.
To get to the point, Microsoft may have money to spend, but so do their competitors. To make the point more poignant, Microsoft can't just make features magically appear by throwing $2Bn at it. They will have to spend time developing it.
Life2Monkeys has a great point. WP7 is a fresh start for Microsoft, but it's an extremely crippled fresh start. Right off the bat, they're far behind competitors that are already dominating the market, and currently taking WM6.5's marketshare. Of course, WP7 won't remain crippled forever, but considering they're already starting with major disadvantages, time is against them. The longer they take to become competitive, the more it hurts their marketshare.
P.S. As of Q2 2010, Windows Mobile is fourth in marketshare, not third. Their marketshare is almost 5x lower than the third place (which is Android). This is in comparison to 2008 when their marketshare was 14%; that means that over the course of two years, Microsoft lost almost 80% of their total marketshare.
So, yes, I'm afraid their 'auto-pilot' is costing them.
Source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/8/30/final-smartphone-share-for-2q-2010-unveiled.aspx
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I agree that other companies in the space have a lot of money too, but none of them even come close to the R&D budget of MS. It is rediculous that they spend Billions a year on R&D.
Also Microsoft is not afraid to loose money on something just to get its name out there. Xbox 360 is a blackhole of money, about 1.4 Billion worth lost to the RROD alone. I am sorry but if Apple or Google lost 1.4 Billion on anything they would not keep going. Either out of lack of resources or common sense would kick in and they would stop.
To MS it is advertising in the next generation. They will just keep loosing money because it allows them to develope frameworks and other services that will eventually start paying them back on later generations of the devices.
My upgrade is coming up in January but i want the Vibrant so badly that i think imma treat myself and pay full price for it, coz my current phone (omnia 2) is a so ****ty.
But reading all these lag/gps threads has put some second thoughts in my head and thinking of holding off and just upgrading in January and save a bit of cash as well or maybe even the torch.
What are your thoughts wait it out and see if samsung fixes the issues and not be out $500 or its worth buying now because the lag fixes fix everything and gps is not so bad?
if you need a new phone now, buy it
the problems you read are exaggerated as usual.
been using it for over a month using stock ROMs every feature works and no lags
GPS is a must thing for me, and it works as soon as i turn it on within 5~10sec
if you don't need a phone now
then wait for better phones coming out next year
well i don't want another phone and i think the vibrant is very nice better then my freezing and laggy omnia.
Get the vibrant now and save your upgrade for the next best thing next year. At $520 tax in its a steal now that you can unlock it for free.
My advise is wait for the September update, to see what happens. I don't care about the lag personally, but the GPS could be better (even though I don't use it really).
We'll know for sure then if the GPS will work. Because it is likely other devices with competing specs to this phone will be released, and if they support GPS better (and have ATMEL too), you'd be better off waiting.
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My advise is wait for the September update, to see what happens. I don't care about the lag personally, but the GPS could be better (even though I don't use it really).
We'll know for sure then if the GPS will work. Because it is likely other devices with competing specs to this phone will be released, and if they support GPS better (and have ATMEL too), you'd be better off waiting.
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thats th kind of advice i'm looking for, what devices would one be looking forward too that is par with the vibrant?
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thats th kind of advice i'm looking for, what devices would one be looking forward too that is par with the vibrant?
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Any of the new HTC phones, including the Desire HD. They admittedly have the now infamous 1Ghz snapdragon but theres a good possibility they are paired with an Adreno 205 (which has a graphics chipset based on Power VR SGX 535). That would give the HTC phones equal performance considering froyo + will be better optimised for snapdragon processors.
Graphics performance is not as good as the galaxy s chipset but good enough.
HTC's in general I've found are better built but now were encroaching on personal preference territory. This may be simply because HTC have had more time to perfect android or just Ive had a more solid experience with HTC android phones.
rest assured there will be a whole flood of non-samsung androids come christmas so perhaps hold off till end of September and pick the best price/feature phone at that time. More exciting is the prospect of google tv, greater adoption and connection of android devices.
p.s. theres also windows mobile and its host of offerings.
In regards to Windows Mobile, unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have joined the party much too late (which is a pity actually). I don't believe WM7 will survive, because Blackberry owns the corporate market, Apple owns the home market, Symbian/custom OS's owns the cheaper smartphone market and Android owns the technical market (although, it is now accelerating it's growth).
Btw, the SGS isn't the only phone having issues. On the iPhone, people are still having issues with the proximity sensor, and the only solution for iPhone users for the antenna is to use a bumper if they suffer for the issue (or become right handed).
Yep, and the Nexus One wasn't perfect either:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/186399/google_faces_deluge_of_nexus_one_complaints.html . Remember that? And now, people LOVE the nexus one.
The main issue seems to be GPS though on this phone, as people who oppose the lag found switching to EXT fixes their issue.. But GPS, there was no known solution. So whilst there may be similar phones released in september, I forgot to mention you should either wait to see what GPS does, or wait a while before grabbing another phone (because they might have other serious issues on release).
But be cautious about claims made in forums, and wait until you see proof (even here). One idiot who owned a Sony Ericson blog claimed with authority that this phone definitely had 360MB RAM (rather than the full 512), I see people constantly grab quadrant and take note of every 0.5%-1% increase in score they see and try to correlate them to speed of the ROM (because 1% increase in quadrant would be visibly noticeable?) and I've seen people claim that because NMEA sends dodgy packets, the problem is DEFINITELY hardware, without checking if the drivers, or the device is sending them.
Make sure you wait for sufficient evidence. If the GPS DOES get fixed though, and tracking software consistently shows accurate tracks (when sitting down and moving), I'd personally recommend selecting this phone, because unlike the current competing devices, it has good hardware (even a proper multitouch controller), and we mostly know it's problems and limitations now.
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Btw, the SGS isn't the only phone having issues. On the iPhone, people are still having issues with the proximity sensor, and the only solution for iPhone users for the antenna is to use a bumper if they suffer for the issue (or become right handed).
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Even the HTC Desired have (had) the problem with the proximity sensor, good thing our great team at XDA made a hack to fix that.
unfortunately or fortunately depending how you look at it, iphone people are not as free to do as they please with their phones.
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Buy it
This Phone is SWEET.
sending a playlist to my windows 7 computer, which connects to my stereo with an outdoor speaker, while sitting outside drinking wine and smoking a cigar. Priceless.
This phone Rocks. buy one, hell buy two lol.
I ordered one yesterday, coming from an Omnia HD with Symbian on it I reckon this will be a pretty huge upgrade. Even given the minor bugs there is. I'll put my trust in that Samsung will fix those bugs in Froyo which is coming in less than a month anyway.
Am I the only one here who came from a K750i, or another ancient dumbphone?
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Am I the only one here who came from a K750i, or another ancient dumbphone?
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Not in public please!
OP - Mine was delivered yesterday - I'd say buy one. It's awesome!
I'd definitely recommend waiting, but not because of the lag/gps ; Gingerbread should allow for some awesome phones come this holiday season(mainly phones with a higher res).
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I ordered one yesterday, coming from an Omnia HD with Symbian on it I reckon this will be a pretty huge upgrade. Even given the minor bugs there is. I'll put my trust in that Samsung will fix those bugs in Froyo which is coming in less than a month anyway.
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Also figured I'd mention that coming from AMOLED; I don't think I'd able to downgrade that. The washed out blacks are so dreadful. Super AMOLED promising even better contrasts (and actually working in sunlight) can only be a winner. I did consider waiting for Desire HD, but choose not to, purely because of the screen.
What do you guys think are the chances of i9000 getting gingerbread ???
Samsung said official 2.2 will be around september, and 3.0 will be launched around mid-october , so maybe we will have 3.0 for i9000 around february
Desire HD will launch around mid-september , it will come with 2.2, and will probably get 3.0 in december - january
Nobody knows.. Nobody even knows what the specs for gingerbread are. Any reply would be guesses izmenar. The only reason we probably wouldn't get it, is if it required dual core, but dual core mobile CPU's aren't being released for a while
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Nobody knows.. Nobody even knows what the specs for gingerbread are. Any reply would be guesses izmenar. The only reason we probably wouldn't get it, is if it required dual core, but dual core mobile CPU's aren't being released for a while
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StreamTV A7
Tegra 2 should have a dual core Cortex-A9.
Only thing we know for sure is that custom UIs won't be supported in Gingerbread.
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StreamTV A7
Tegra 2 should have a dual core Cortex-A9.
Only thing we know for sure is that custom UIs won't be supported in Gingerbread.
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Did Google say that, or was it rumored
Hi there,
i have my Galaxy S for about 2 Weeks and i am happy with it.
The Display is very clear (even with an lower resolution than the IP4).
No jailbreaking or something else to get some stuff working on this nice phone.
Nice functions and a good UI.
Great phone!
...only GPS sucks a little bit, but i hope this will be fixed
Greetings
DerRaven
Lets write down why iPhone sold 4-5million in 3days and why android will never beat iPhone:
Why Android cant kill iPhone ever.
1. Delayed updates, while iOS release update everybody can update, no racial descrimination in updates lol
2. You need to beg and wait for developer to make a rom, sometime you need to buy them that smartphone to support the device. Most roms has forceclose error and some notification breaks!
3. Android markets, FRAGMENTED APPS, you need to beg or bash developer to update their up, but they just give up on you!
4. 4g sucks battery life (which android device is know for poor battery life and takes forever to charge) and spoty 4g, while iPhone 3g can do the job without problems and fact that is more stable!
5. Yeah yeah yeah 3D that feels like some alien is in your head playing with an amoeba! And iPhone 4s 1080p almost near Canon 5d MK II which cost $3000+.
6. Better resale value and you are guranteed 1yr of having the latest model iPhone before they release another iPhone. On android you bought it for almost $600, after 2 months you can buy it for $350 tops. And if you are lucky there is anew model android device after 1.5months and the one you bought is already an old model smartphone.
7. Seek apps and you will find.
8. Classy looks not plastic that you can see on trash cans.
9. you can video call every body, iPhone, iPad, iPad Touch, Mac. Android no videocall unity.
10. You have a bunch of dev that support jailbreaks and they every apps they made works on every iOs device.
11. Unmatch warranty, you want a new iPhone? All you need to do is mess up the OS and then gp to Apple store and you walk out with a spanking, twinkling new iPhone in your hand no question ask.
12. Retina display, you need magnifying glass to see the pixel dot.
13. They copy some android apps but they made it work right you can say it is perfect. On android it is just good enough.
14-350+. plus tons more.
Come join the fun list them.
And Android wins, Steve Jobs is dead, get over it. (Sarcasm intended)
But in all seriousness my Thrill beats the iPhone 4S to death, so does the GSII, and about any other new top of the line Android. iPhones are too hard to work with, everything is locked up unlike the Android. Let me try to dismiss as many of your reasons as I can.
1. Android OTA updates have problems because lots of people have Androids=Slower server updates and connection problems.
2. At least we can flash roms.
3. At least we have an open marketplace.
4. I have CM7 on my Inspire and have gone 26 hours and still have 30% of my battery life left.
5. My Thrill has 3D and 1080P, and can play Blu Ray videos/movies in 3D. Also, it has a built in HDMI slot.
6. We have so many updates which can cost more money, but we also get newer technology and support faster.
7. That didn't even make logical sense.
8. Android phones are sleek and sexy, iPhones had dropped calls because of the so called "Death Grip". Plus, glass breaks easily. Google SGII vs iPhone 4S drop test. Laugh.
9. I have a face calling utility, called Skype, along with about three other easy to download apps.
10. We have way more dev support, WAY MORE.
11. How do you mess up an iPhone OS? Jailbreaking voids your warranty. And, you have to pay the same insurance price, go AT&T? Physical damage covered.
12. We have Super Amoled + (Close enough)
13. Most Android apps work. Any examples to prove this point?
14. What?
There, happy?
RootTheNoob said:
And Android wins, Steve Jobs is dead, get over it. (Sarcasm intended)
But in all seriousness my Thrill beats the iPhone 4S to death, so does the GSII, and about any other new top of the line Android. iPhones are too hard to work with, everything is locked up unlike the Android. Let me try to dismiss as many of your reasons as I can.
1. Android OTA updates have problems because lots of people have Androids=Slower server updates and connection problems.
2. At least we can flash roms.
3. At least we have an open marketplace.
4. I have CM7 on my Inspire and have gone 26 hours and still have 30% of my battery life left.
5. My Thrill has 3D and 1080P, and can play Blu Ray videos/movies in 3D. Also, it has a built in HDMI slot.
6. We have so many updates which can cost more money, but we also get newer technology and support faster.
7. That didn't even make logical sense.
8. Android phones are sleek and sexy, iPhones had dropped calls because of the so called "Death Grip". Plus, glass breaks easily. Google SGII vs iPhone 4S drop test. Laugh.
9. I have a face calling utility, called Skype, along with about three other easy to download apps.
10. We have way more dev support, WAY MORE.
11. How do you mess up an iPhone OS? Jailbreaking voids your warranty. And, you have to pay the same insurance price, go AT&T? Physical damage covered.
12. We have Super Amoled + (Close enough)
13. Most Android apps work. Any examples to prove this point?
14. What?
There, happy?
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Win. 10char
The ONLY reason the iPhone will win over Android is simple: EASE OF USE
Almost every reason you gave in the OP is mostly stuff the average consumer doesn't and will never care about. The AC doesn't care about rooting and such. Heck, if the average consumer REALLY cared about battery life, then the Galaxy series of phones wouldn't sell as well as it does.
The ONLY reason iOS and it's the ONLY thing iOS has over everyone is ease of use. Winmo7 has equal ease of use, but it suffers from coming to the party too late.
ICS looks like it will have better ease of use, but for now iOS is king when it comes to the average consumer and JUST working.
spirikitik said:
Lets write down why iPhone sold 4-5million in 3days and why android will never beat iPhone:
Why Android cant kill iPhone ever.
1. Delayed updates, while iOS release update everybody can update, no racial descrimination in updates lol - Agreed. Android OEMs need to get their act together. Either that or Google needs to end Android UI skins and standardize ICS.
2. You need to beg and wait for developer to make a rom, sometime you need to buy them that smartphone to support the device. Most roms has forceclose error and some notification breaks! - Lolno.
3. Android markets, FRAGMENTED APPS, you need to beg or bash developer to update their up, but they just give up on you! True for games. And some apps have ugly UIs that don't conform with the rest of the Android system...but other than that...no.
4. 4g sucks battery life (which android device is know for poor battery life and takes forever to charge) and spoty 4g, while iPhone 3g can do the job without problems and fact that is more stable! - LTE does, but HSPA+ doesn't.
5. Yeah yeah yeah 3D that feels like some alien is in your head playing with an amoeba! And iPhone 4s 1080p almost near Canon 5d MK II which cost $3000+. - The 4S camera is amazing, yes.
6. Better resale value and you are guranteed 1yr of having the latest model iPhone before they release another iPhone. On android you bought it for almost $600, after 2 months you can buy it for $350 tops. And if you are lucky there is anew model android device after 1.5months and the one you bought is already an old model smartphone. - Somewhat true. Not necessarily.
7. Seek apps and you will find. - Huh?
8. Classy looks not plastic that you can see on trash cans. - This is kind of true. App Store apps do tend to have better UIs and quality in general than their Market counterparts, but it depends on the dev.
9. you can video call every body, iPhone, iPad, iPad Touch, Mac. Android no videocall unity. - Google Talk Video...comes with every Android phone. Call any Android device or PC.
10. You have a bunch of dev that support jailbreaks and they every apps they made works on every iOs device. - the Android mod community is better, period. Jailbreaking hit its high point around iOS 2.2.x. After that...the actual Cydia developers have turned into 8 year olds making fart themes.
11. Unmatch warranty, you want a new iPhone? All you need to do is mess up the OS and then gp to Apple store and you walk out with a spanking, twinkling new iPhone in your hand no question ask. - Yes Apple customer service is nice.
12. Retina display, you need magnifying glass to see the pixel dot. - Same with the Galaxy Nexus.
13. They copy some android apps but they made it work right you can say it is perfect. On android it is just good enough. ?
14-350+. plus tons more. ?
Come join the fun list them.
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There.....
iphone = basic
Basic people use basic phones. Android however is for the more intuitive person hints why there is so much development
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Problem?
I'm guessing you bought the new iPhone 4S and are pretty damn mad about the Galaxy Nexus.
I would be mad too.
reasons for wanting to return your new iPhone ----->>>>>>> galaxy nexus / facial unlock
azr3alazd3ycum said:
reasons for wanting to return your new iPhone ----->>>>>>> galaxy nexus / facial unlock
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Don't forget, if something happens to his iPhone he has to pay $30 to get it fixed.
Hyphnx said:
Problem?
I'm guessing you bought the new iPhone 4S and are pretty damn mad about the Galaxy Nexus.
I would be mad too.
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well let's see, iPhone is on how many carriers and offers how many price ranges? The fact that android is more readily available is the only reason that the above is true. I don't like iOS but I also don't have to lie to myself about my OS's dominance.
IPhones have genius bars. .........android has a development community
Oh yea and half the time those "geniuses" don't know what's going on
iPhones have genius bars. .........android has a development community
Oh yea and half the time those "geniuses" don't know what's going on
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What do we do now, boss?
spirikitik said:
Lets write down why iPhone sold 4-5million in 3days and why android will never beat iPhone:
Why Android cant kill iPhone ever.
1. Delayed updates, while iOS release update everybody can update, no racial descrimination in updates lol
2. You need to beg and wait for developer to make a rom, sometime you need to buy them that smartphone to support the device. Most roms has forceclose error and some notification breaks!
3. Android markets, FRAGMENTED APPS, you need to beg or bash developer to update their up, but they just give up on you!
4. 4g sucks battery life (which android device is know for poor battery life and takes forever to charge) and spoty 4g, while iPhone 3g can do the job without problems and fact that is more stable!
5. Yeah yeah yeah 3D that feels like some alien is in your head playing with an amoeba! And iPhone 4s 1080p almost near Canon 5d MK II which cost $3000+.
6. Better resale value and you are guranteed 1yr of having the latest model iPhone before they release another iPhone. On android you bought it for almost $600, after 2 months you can buy it for $350 tops. And if you are lucky there is anew model android device after 1.5months and the one you bought is already an old model smartphone.
7. Seek apps and you will find.
8. Classy looks not plastic that you can see on trash cans.
9. you can video call every body, iPhone, iPad, iPad Touch, Mac. Android no videocall unity.
10. You have a bunch of dev that support jailbreaks and they every apps they made works on every iOs device.
11. Unmatch warranty, you want a new iPhone? All you need to do is mess up the OS and then gp to Apple store and you walk out with a spanking, twinkling new iPhone in your hand no question ask.
12. Retina display, you need magnifying glass to see the pixel dot.
13. They copy some android apps but they made it work right you can say it is perfect. On android it is just good enough.
14-350+. plus tons more.
Come join the fun list them.
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You forgot:
-Closed ecosystem, you will only have whatever they allow you to have.
-A phone that's made of glass, if it fall off your hands it will explode its "Nasa technology made" screen to a million pieces.
-The ackward feeling of being just one more from the herd with not much of a freedom, unlike Android.
"I'll rather be head of mice than a lion's tail"
And still, there is not a single thing that you can do on an iphone that u cannot do it on android also, and if there is, its not for long.
One more thing: iphone fits more for just the regular USER, let's say. Android fits more for the power users like us AND regular users.
Caddle
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Barzobius said:
You forgot:
-Closed ecosystem, you will only have whatever they allow you to have.
-A phone that's made of glass, if it fall off your hands it will explode its "Nasa technology made" screen to a million pieces.
-The ackward feeling of being just one more from the herd with not much of a freedom, unlike Android.
"I'll rather be head of mice than a lion's tail"
And still, there is not a single thing that you can do on an iphone that u cannot do it on android also, and if there is, its not for long.
One more thing: iphone fits more for just the regular USER, let's say. Android fits more for the power users like us AND regular users.
Caddle
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the parts of this that are English are just comical.
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Dont worry |OP| we (android users) understand that you are a little dissapoint with the new iphone 4S and its silly thing, "sorry" i mean siri thing... just wait one year more to have 1.5 dual core while we (android users) will be using Quad cores or something... and you fanboys will say... "its not necessary... dual core is better in battery life and bla bla bla"
Glad to you fanboys that the Man invented the pretexts
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Dont worry |OP| we (android users) understand that you are a little dissapoint with the new iphone 4S and its silly thing, "sorry" i mean siri thing... just wait one year more to have 1.5 dual core while we (android users) will be using Quad cores or something... and you fanboys will say... "its not necessary... dual core is better in battery life and bla bla bla"
Glad to you fanboys that the Man invented the pretexts
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hardware has nothing to do with OS, iOS runs infinitely better on lesser hardware.
azr3alazd3ycum said:
IPhones have genius bars. .........android has a development community
Oh yea and half the time those "geniuses" don't know what's going on
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Hate to say it, but as much as you want to think Android has a better Dev community it doesn't. Most of the Android devs stick to a specific device each completely different from the next. The iPhone Dev community can be smaller but a lot more support because no fragmentation.
The main reason for Android ROMs are for a few reasons. Removing manufactor/carrier crapware, ASOP, and themes. With the iPhone you don't need a ROM at all because there is no crapware, it's stock firmware, and with jailbreaking you can theme.
You don't brick iPhones unless it's intentional and even then you can get a new one for free most likely.
To the op, you can't talk about the pros of an iPhone and attempt to distinguish it against a platform (Android). The 4S is a phone. iOS5 is the platform. If you want to make a fair assessment, you need to compare it with a NEXUS since it's the flagship phone for Android.
I'll give apple their props. They make good products and streamline as much as possible (the ecosystem). If you're the kind of person that just wants a good phone without a NEED of fully customizing/tweaking, then the iPhone is perfect.
On the other hand, I chose an EVO 15 months ago because it suited my needs. Barring any hardware requirement (NFC chip), I know that it'll only be a matter of time until the wonderful devs here at xda will find a way to get it to work on my phone. For example, sense 3.0 isn't officially coming to my phone, but guess what? It's possible to do so, even Sense 3.5. You have the right to point out that certain things don't work, but guess what? Eventually they will and I can wait until the devs complete the project. Let me put it like this:
When people state that the custom ROMs are buggy. It's like a little kid making GINGERBREAD and eating the dough, then complaining that it's not their flavor. You'd simply point out that you gotta finish adding all the ingredients and wait for the finished product. I'm running CM7 GB 2.3.7 and this cookie is sweet.
Lastly, let's say you drive a Ferrari. THE iOS platform is like driving an automatic (no paddle shifter, just a regular gas and break). The Android platform is like a 6 gate manual. You have complete control over the vehicle. You feel more connected because you have a say. You can down shift and speed past the car on your right. Whereas the automatic will force you to remain in high gear because that's what it wants you to think is best for you.
At the end of the day, it's all about whether you're happy with your purchase. Bashing something for the sake of bashing is immature.
P.S. look to your left...that's me passing you up
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hardware has nothing to do with OS, iOS runs infinitely better on lesser hardware.
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If by infinitely better you mean closed & outdated. Sure Windows 95 runs great on lesser hardware also............but who wants that dinosaur **** ?
Sorry but I'll pass on a unix/BSOD system that is closed. I prefer access, insight
& freedom over "easy of use" any day.
http://us.news-republic.com/Web/ArticleWeb.aspx?regionid=1&articleid=7339419
Enjoy. Even though the reviewer still prefers iPhone seems the nexus 4 is making an impression on the I sheep.
Every now and then one of these guys wakes up from the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field™ and realizes there's a whole 'nother world out there
His comment about Siri vs. Google Voice Search is the most telling. Anybody who has spent anytime with Android knew that Siri was a shoddy version of Voice Search turned into a marketing gimmick.. 3 years later this tech "journalist" has finally caught on.
Wow, I just clicked "See Original Article" to see who wrote this, and what do you know, it's MG Siegler... Amazing level of ineptitude for a guy who is such a prominent figure in his field. It's clear from this article he has never given Android the time of day and yet that's not stop him from spewing his drivel and getting paid for it
crachel said:
Every now and then one of these guys wakes up from the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field™ and realizes there's a whole 'nother world out there
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I just cannot understand these kinds of comments. The iPhone 5 is a great product much like the Nexus 4.
Who cares what impression nexus 4 makes on other users(iphone users or whatever). As long as i like the device that is all it matters to me!
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Toss3 said:
I just cannot understand these kinds of comments. The iPhone 5 is a great product much like the Nexus 4.
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indeed it is but have you ever heard an Apple owner rant on? I think Apple products from a design point of view are astounding but the owners are mentalists and seem to view every other product on the planet as inferior, generally they will argue this point until you just get bored and give up.
I find it interesting that the author filled up his homepage full of icons just like iOS. Nothing more to that, just an observation.
Despite him being wrong about the orb in that it's not a dock and it's not magnetic, I did like his enthusiasm about it.
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MrBelter said:
indeed it is but have you ever heard an Apple owner rant on? I think Apple products from a design point of view are astounding but the owners are mentalists and seem to view every other product on the planet as inferior, generally they will argue this point until you just get bored and give up.
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Apple product stock vs android product stock, apple wins. If there were no custom kernels nexus 4 battery life would suck while iphone 5 makes it throughout the day. Apple products keep value the most over time + as u said design is better.
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persheshhater said:
Apple product stock vs android product stock, apple wins. If there were no custom kernels nexus 4 battery life would suck while iphone 5 makes it throughout the day. Apple products keep value the most over time + as u said design is better.
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They are honestly awful quality though. They may look nice but at least half of my friends that have them complain about the lock button which has stopped working on a ton of iPhones. Also that wonderful and beautiful aluminum bezel idea was stupid, it scratches and dents so easily. Its way to soft.
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indeed it is but have you ever heard an Apple owner rant on? I think Apple products from a design point of view are astounding but the owners are mentalists and seem to view every other product on the planet as inferior, generally they will argue this point until you just get bored and give up.
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I am moving over to the Android side of the pond with 2 Nexus 4 16gb phones for my wife and I, coming from iPhone 4's. I had owned Android phones prior to the iPhones, most recently back in early 2011 with the Vibrant. We were really excited about the tech in the iPhone 4 phones, so we signed up for Verizon and have had those phones to date. Since then, we haven't noticed much other "innovation" with the iPhones, minus the Siri and somewhat faster processing (along with mildly increased screen resoultion/size and camera MP). Whereas the Android side of the pond, has seen some nice strides, and it seems like the Apple side is stuck with "more of the same" type thinking, in particular with the transition from the 4S to the 5.
We are really excited about the new Nexus phones that should be here very soon. Although I have an iPad 2, my kids use the Nabi 2 tablets (quad core, nVidia Tegra 3), and I have played on those some, which has given me the ability to try out some of the newer features in the Android OS 4.x updates. Seems like a really tight OS, even when compared to the air-tight iOS 6.x. Further, I like the fact that the Nexus phones are so easily customizable, whereas the iOS side of things is extremely "stale". Apple needs to take some notes, and understand that versatility is needed for their continued market growth. Although the iPhone 5 is a very nice phone, I feel it was a mistake that Apple will ultimately rue the day on, even though it is fairly popular. Why will they rue the day? Because, all those folks thinking the iPhone 5 is the greatest thing since slice bread and running out to buy it, are seeing that its just a minor update to the 4S, and is lacking innovation. This will put Apple in a tougher spot for the iPhone 5S or 6, as many people are looking and seeing all the cool things that the direction the Android OS/devices are taking.
Can anyone shed some light on why iPhone users love imessage so much, other than the fact it just distinguishes the person they're texting is another iPhone user?
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kid1da said:
Can anyone shed some light on why iPhone users love imessage so much, other than the fact it just distinguishes the person they're texting is another iPhone user?
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It allows for real-time viewing of when the other ios device you are messaging, has read the message, and if they are in the process of responding back.
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It allows for real-time viewing of when the other ios device you are messaging, has read the message, and if they are in the process of responding back.
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IMO absolutely worthless if it is limited to only iOS users. Would be nice if the openness of Google voice and the Polish and ease of use of iMessage were to blend. Google voice IMO is a great idea and is a cool feature but its lacking in so many ways
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You really should have posted to original TC article.
Read the review and then reread it. The reviewer's only argument is the lack of the iApps he is used to + apps that do not exist on the android, but are huge on the ios. Noone is going to switch to a ecosystem that's missing all the apps that are used daily.
Nexus 4 could cure cancer, teleport you to Mars and solve world hunger for all he cares, but until developers start treating ios and android equally, ios wins - its rooted in the US, where the money is.
So to be fair, it's not really a review of the device, it's a review of the ecosystem.
Nexus 4 seems touch notch to me, less LTE. Great phone and design.
I'm in the minority, but I like a really small phone, large tablet. Phone has to be stable and fast, tablet can crash(that's not meant to be taken as IOS vs Android stability comment) . iPhone fits the bill for me.
Honestly the real reason is I feel if I'm not modding, and hacking up every different mobile device out there I'm missing out on the fun. iPhone, Android tablet, Palm tablet. ehhh not so much Blackberry. I like to eat from the technology buffet, one of everything.
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IMO absolutely worthless if it is limited to only iOS users. Would be nice if the openness of Google voice and the Polish and ease of use of iMessage were to blend. Google voice IMO is a great idea and is a cool feature but its lacking in so many ways
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I think apple like most of their products or features they want to keep it within the ecosystem. Just like BlackBerry has BBM. BBM is light years ahead of imessage though.
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And the article completely leaves out the pricing and versatility when it comes to providers, at least for some of us. These are points iphone cannot compete with in regards to new product.
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I just cannot understand these kinds of comments. The iPhone 5 is a great product much like the Nexus 4.
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My point has nothing to do with the iPhone 5. Steve Jobs was a master at manipulating media and the way Apple was perceived. Apple does hundreds of billions of dollars in notional trading to avoid corporate taxes, they've installed suicide nets at Foxconn, and they have had documented incidents of child labor. Yet, America loves Apple. That's the distortion field I'm talking about. MG Siegler is complicit in creating it. He's a hack journalist with a hack's knowledge of Android, which is clear from his Siri/Voice Search point.
Since the launch of the nexus 4 there have been really interesting articles from people who took the step and switched to an android device. As an iPhone user I am really considering. But I am afraid that its gonna be so time consuming to reproduce all my workflow and flashing several roms to try out the best configuraiton
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Since the launch of the nexus 4 there have been really interesting articles from people who took the step and switched to an android device. As an iPhone user I am really considering. But I am afraid that its gonna be so time consuming to reproduce all my workflow and flashing several roms to try out the best configuraiton
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Well, yes and no. I could and probably should of stayed stock. Stock 4.2.2 was mind blowingly smooth and battery friendly. Only reason o flashed a ROM is because I have that bug. Stock android is a joy to use coming from skinned versions such as sense, touchwiz and motoblur. They all get old real fast. The simplicity and fluidity of the stock android experience is unmatched. Yes iOS is simple also. But you have one launcher, one configuration, and limited options. App development is huge among ios, no one can argue that point, but the playstore is leaps and bounds better than it was almost 4 years ago.
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My point has nothing to do with the iPhone 5. Steve Jobs was a master at manipulating media and the way Apple was perceived. Apple does hundreds of billions of dollars in notional trading to avoid corporate taxes, they've installed suicide nets at Foxconn, and they have had documented incidents of child labor. Yet, America loves Apple. That's the distortion field I'm talking about. MG Siegler is complicit in creating it. He's a hack journalist with a hack's knowledge of Android, which is clear from his Siri/Voice Search point.
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And other companies use child labor also, I'm certainly not defending it, or any companies. I'm glad this abuse is being brought to light so all can hopefully be forced to stop...http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162...nd-child-workers-at-samsung-supplier-factory/