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Hey guys! My contract from verizon is running up and I desperately need a new phone; but I still have unlimited 4G and I'm not going to let Verizon contract me into another phone and lose it! HAH What a joke, 2gb a month for the "cheapest" option? No thank you. So I went ahead and ordered a mint condition Droid 4 for a nice price It should arrive this Friday
I'm upgrading from a Thunderbolt (the old girl served me well) and I cannot, and I can't stress this enough, cannot WAIT to have a physical keyboard back. I used to to be a Blackberry Curve and Tour owner back in the day before I made the switch to Android.
My question to you guys is, what ROM should I run? I want a full experience, so no non-working mechanics so I will be staying away from the broken camera roms, at least til they're stable. Also, what other things should I know before getting my new phone?
Thanks, and I hope to be part of the xda droid 4 owning family in a couple of days
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Hey guys! My contract from verizon is running up and I desperately need a new phone; but I still have unlimited 4G and I'm not going to let Verizon contract me into another phone and lose it! HAH What a joke, 2gb a month for the "cheapest" option? No thank you. So I went ahead and ordered a mint condition Droid 4 for a nice price It should arrive this Friday
I'm upgrading from a Thunderbolt (the old girl served me well) and I cannot, and I can't stress this enough, cannot WAIT to have a physical keyboard back. I used to to be a Blackberry Curve and Tour owner back in the day before I made the switch to Android.
My question to you guys is, what ROM should I run? I want a full experience, so no non-working mechanics so I will be staying away from the broken camera roms, at least til they're stable. Also, what other things should I know before getting my new phone?
Thanks, and I hope to be part of the xda droid 4 owning family in a couple of days
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If your looking for bug free myfishbear's Eclipse ROM is probably the way to go. As for other things to know, you will need to root and install safestrap recovery in order to install ROMs. I recommend the Droid 4 Utility ICS Only. That will allow you to root and also has a function to install safestrap.
And welcome to the D4 forums!
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kwyrt said:
If your looking for bug free myfishbear's Eclipse ROM is probably the way to go. As for other things to know, you will need to root and install safestrap recovery in order to install ROMs. I recommend the Droid 4 Utility ICS Only. That will allow you to root and also has a function to install safestrap.
And welcome to the D4 forums!
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Thank you! I was seriously expecting responses like "buy a better phone" or something. Quick question; do I have to flash radios like I did with the Thunderbolt? If I get stock gingerbread OS, should I upgrade to stock ICS and then root? Or will it not make a difference?
Thanks!
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Thank you! I was seriously expecting responses like "buy a better phone" or something. Quick question; do I have to flash radios like I did with the Thunderbolt? If I get stock gingerbread OS, should I upgrade to stock ICS and then root? Or will it not make a difference?
Thanks!
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I love my D4 You do not need to flash radios or anything like that. If it still has GB on it I would go ahead and update to ICS first and then root. That way you don't have to mess with root keeper or anything like that.
Thanks for the reply again! I will upgrade to ICS then root
It'll be here tomorrow, can't wait!
I suggest rooting stock and freezing a bunch of the garbage ICS apps that you will never use.
Fwiw, I've recently bought a used D4 for the same reason
(High 5!) And have not installed a new rom. I've just rooted, mainly so I could freeze a few things and use rom toolbox's ad blocker. Not to take anything away from the devs who do great work, but personally I'm totally happy with the (rooted) stock ICS. I know JB is supposed to be snappier, but I'm not seeing any sluggishness anyway. Welcome to the D4 world-the keyboard is AWESOME, really.
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I'd prefer to install Eclipse rom because there is no bloat to freeze and it's really fast. Also, it gets rid of a few spy tools Moto and Verizon placed on the stock roms.
Moreover, when using safestrap (which is needed to flash a rom) you don't have to worry about screwing up your system because it prevents you from messing up the stock rom.
FedEx is terrible. My phone won't be here til tomorrow
Anyway.
I think I will try and use Eclpise first. It looks like what I am after
Another vote for Eclipse here
The JB ROMs, CM10, AOKP etc. are all very nice, but missing crucial features like camera flash and the HDMI port.
Does eclipse introduce any bugs? If it gives stock functionality without the stock bloat, I'll be changing my mind...
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Does eclipse introduce any bugs? If it gives stock functionality without the stock bloat, I'll be changing my mind...
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Not noticed any bugs.
I find the (optional, flashed separately) speed tweaks to really hurt battery life, but the basic ROM (plus olegfusion's GSM patch) works just fine.
Thanks! In that case I'll probably try it out when my semester ends and I have time to tinker.
I want to tag in here, I recently purchased this phone and im from the Netherlands. I read that the Droid4 will have stock JB (4.2) support. The thing is, I am dutch and the phone isn't unlocked. Now i've been trying to understand if the update is possible for me and if the update is out allready (cant find anything about it)
Little background info:
I've had the desire Z when it intially launched and it broke down last month. Been using the desire for a month and im going nuts! Really missing a physical HD and when I started googling it seemde that the droid4 is made for me, but not being sold in stores in the NL.
It depends... what are running right now? what are you looking for? performance or battery life??????????????
I have not seen any news that this phone will get 4.2, but Motorola currently has the device listed among those that will receive 4.1 at some point (no date scheduled, though). There has not yet been an official stock release of any form of Jellybean to the Droid 4 so far.
Sorry for the late reply, I got the phone now and I saw that Hashtag is one of the core dev's for 4.1/4.2 AOKP/CM10. The phone is unlocked when upgrading to ICS via WiFi, so thats not a worry. The problem is that I cant get the data to work, ive posted about it here
Fixed! Was blind and didnt see this post Ideal for GSM users
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Sorry for the late reply, I got the phone now and I saw that Hashtag is one of the core dev's for 4.1/4.2 AOKP/CM10. The phone is unlocked when upgrading to ICS via WiFi, so thats not a worry. The problem is that I cant get the data to work, ive posted about it here
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I've never had much luck with GSM/UMTS data on Hashcode's ROMs. Stick with something like Eclipse ICS for now until Hashcode's ROMs mature a bit.
if I were you, I'd also go for the eclipse rom.
I had installed the jb rom at first, but somewhen it got really slow and apps began to crash, I also lost connection with my carrier more often then with the eclipse rom that I've changed to now.
captainstarbucs said:
Hey guys! My contract from verizon is running up and I desperately need a new phone; but I still have unlimited 4G and I'm not going to let Verizon contract me into another phone and lose it! HAH What a joke, 2gb a month for the "cheapest" option? No thank you. So I went ahead and ordered a mint condition Droid 4 for a nice price It should arrive this Friday
I'm upgrading from a Thunderbolt (the old girl served me well) and I cannot, and I can't stress this enough, cannot WAIT to have a physical keyboard back. I used to to be a Blackberry Curve and Tour owner back in the day before I made the switch to Android.
My question to you guys is, what ROM should I run? I want a full experience, so no non-working mechanics so I will be staying away from the broken camera roms, at least til they're stable. Also, what other things should I know before getting my new phone?
Thanks, and I hope to be part of the xda droid 4 owning family in a couple of days
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I just recently got a used Droid 4 myself, and I have to agree with ECLIPSE. It was the first rom I installed (immediately after I got the phone), and I rooted/safestrapped with the ICS Utility. It was an absolute breeze, and ECLIPSE is running wonderfully.
Well Im no noob to rooting.. rooted the Samsung moment , og evo, and evo lte.. some reasons for rooting were battery life, theming , faster.. well the HTC one seems fast, the theme is great, and battery life decent..
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I do it for for stuff like % battery, changing cpu/scheduler settings for better battery, debloating, ect. So you are the only one who can decide.
If you had to ask, you don't need to.
I don't say that as a pejorative. You're asking because you don't have a thing you need to do that requires root. So you don't need to.
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I usually run stock for at least a few months but the HTC One I rooted maybe after a week. The dot dot dot drives me nuts since HTC decided a menu key is not needed. The menu key is needed and it's still nice to have even on ICS compliant apps. There is room for it, I love this phone except for no menu key.
It's always worth it to gain root access. Wifi Tetethering alone will justify it. And to be honest, rooting is usually not good enough. It's in your interest to flash a custom ROM; there is a lot to be gained. There is a reason we're on Android and not iOS or Windows Phone and the benefits we gain from rooting is one of them. (This is not a jab at other platforms, I hate everything equally)
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It's always worth it to gain root access. Wifi Tetethering alone will justify it. And to be honest, rooting is usually not good enough. It's in your interest to flash a custom ROM; there is a lot to be gained. There is a reason we're on Android and not iOS or Windows Phone and the benefits we gain from rooting is one of them. (This is not a jab at other platforms, I hate everything equally)
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Yeah I just went right the rooting process after having the phone for two days, simply for WiFi access. Also the custom ROM doesn't hurt (running Viper right more and will wait for CM10.1 to catch up). Will try the custom kernel to get the swipe to turn on/off, real soon.
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So since we don't have s-off, do I need to root the phone just like I did before using joeys gui flash?
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thlinx said:
So since we don't have s-off, do I need to root the phone just like I did before using joeys gui flash?
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Never used that application as it seems like it really doesn't offer anything outside of what GooManager and/or ROM Manager already offer. You may not have to root the phone, but you'll likely need to unlock the device with no S-OFF. The rooting process on this device isn't that difficult, and the videos on the forum from QBKing and wwJosh are solid and walk you through the process. All you really have to do is follow some simple instructions and use copy and paste.
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Main 2 reasons I root my phone's:
1)tethering, hardly ever use it so it's not worth paying the sprint fee, but when u need it u are glad u have it
2)ad blocking apps
As far as flashing kernals and hboots I usually don't fool with it. I find a nice stable customized Rom built off stock and stick with it usually.
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Super Tommy said:
It's always worth it to gain root access. Wifi Tetethering alone will justify it. And to be honest, rooting is usually not good enough. It's in your interest to flash a custom ROM; there is a lot to be gained. There is a reason we're on Android and not iOS or Windows Phone and the benefits we gain from rooting is one of them. (This is not a jab at other platforms, I hate everything equally)
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I would have to disagree with that; I actually prefer to stick with stock if at all possible. Sometimes there is a ROM out there that has such better performance all around to justify a switch (mostly Carbon-style ROMs that are minimalist), but I take satisfaction in running stock.
Rooting is also useful if you want to enable various features like GPS toggling/Airplane mode toggles for tools such as Tasker or Power Toggles, or to freeze/remove bloat.
I've had nexus' since the nexus one, and a whole lot of other android phones. I've rooted every single one of them, tried out various custom roms and mods etc. However the Nexus 5 is probably the first android phone I will own that I won't root. Its just so damn good from the factory that I don't think i'm going to bother. I'm curious to know if anyone else is in the same boat?
Im feeling the same way after a week of use. It seems so complete. But... let's be honest seeing all the cool stuff that devs are gonna come out with for kit Kat will probably draw us back in. I want to see what the paranoid team comes up with
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I've had nexus' since the nexus one, and a whole lot of other android phones. I've rooted every single one of them, tried out various custom roms and mods etc. However the Nexus 5 is probably the first android phone I will own that I won't root. Its just so damn good from the factory that I don't think i'm going to bother. I'm curious to know if anyone else is in the same boat?
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The decision whether to root my phone or not lies in if I can get additional functionality when rooting.
For example on a rooted phone, an app like Cerberus is capable of some pretty nifty stuff like uninstall prevention even on factory reset. So you can still track your phone even if your phone is reset. (not flashed over though)
That being said, I probably won't root my phone for awhile because I agree with you that the phone is awesome enough stock.
There are applications that require root, so yes, I will always root. There are literally zero drawbacks, and advantages, so I say why not. But no, I usually always install custom ROM's and mods, which I won't be doing anymore.
Mischaseb said:
I've had nexus' since the nexus one, and a whole lot of other android phones. I've rooted every single one of them, tried out various custom roms and mods etc. However the Nexus 5 is probably the first android phone I will own that I won't root. Its just so damn good from the factory that I don't think i'm going to bother. I'm curious to know if anyone else is in the same boat?
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Same here, flash addict! I haven't yet rooted and am trying not to so I don't waste countless hours anymore trying to gain milliseconds of speed, etc. This thing is so smooth out of the box I haven't caved in yet!
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Having root doesn't necessarily mean having a custom ROM... I just manually root the stock ROM.
I use a few apps that require root, but I need the stability of the stock ROM. Since I'm still stock I can flash any system updates that come along.
I was stock rooted on my Nexus 4 for months too, custom ROMs are nice and I applaud the developers who work hard on building them, but I don't need the extra bells and whistles, especially when they occasionally cause instability.
First thing I do with every Nexus is unlock the boot loader, flash a custom recovery and flash supersu... Manually, of course. Toolkits are no fun.
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I unlocked my boot loader before I booted up for the first time. It's done then, ready for any future mods. I'm on stock ROM and recovery, unrooted.
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I just unlocked the bootloader so far because I don't want to wipe my phone if I will decide to install a custom ROM and root. But so far I don't plan to do so. The N5 and KK just serve me well so far and it could be the first phone where I don't have to worry whether some features work or if the dev broke something. No offence, the devs here so some great work but you are never safe from instabilities - even on Nexus devices.
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I always unlock and root for the reasons already said where some apps require the elevated privileges. I've always gone custom ROM and custom kernel on all my last Android phones including my Nexus 4 last until I decided that I don't actually need the majority of things being done in a custom ROM and therefore went back to stock on the N4 and happily used it for the last 6 months or so.
I'm definitely staying stock this time round as apart from the quick settings toggles and quiet hours there's nothing I can call a benefit to me as this phone is a beast and so smooth. All personal opinions of course.
As I understand it, if you root and keep the stock ROM you can't accept OTA updates? Is this right?
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As I understand it, if you root and keep the stock ROM you can't accept OTA updates? Is this right?
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If you root your phone, running stock ROM, you still will get OTA updates...
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I rooted my samsung android device (had too samsung software is so bad). i rooted/customs my nexus 7 2012. i dont feel the need since the nexus 7 2013 and now the nexus 5.
Maybe one day to try ubuntu or something like that. but i'm perfectly happy without root for now.
Oh i will - the N5 still needs some improvements for camera and battery life. And i also don't wanna miss full control in ES file explorer.
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Rooted mine for stuff like titanium backup! its still stock. But i think i'll flash CM 11 sometime not too very soon =)
Rooted for adaway, as long as the boot image and recovery is stock OTA updates still work. i see no reason not to unlock bootloaders as soon as you receive your devices to avoid data loss later.
I root because its the only way to install adfree from the f-droid repo. It also allows me to use more features in apps like betterbatterystats and I can flash kernels easily using Franco's app.
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I've rooted mostly for helium, otherwise its stock
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Yeah, I feel the same thing. I'm waiting till all things become a bit more stable for kitkat, but as OP says, the N5 feels pretty complete out of the box. Yet, I miss some things that I used on my rooted N4, which was stock with some Xposed modules.
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I'm not root right now but there are 2 features I'm missing :
1- better DPI (everything is so huge!)
2- Block stupid pub by changing hosts file
I will probably root it later just for these 2...
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Rooting a Nexus is almost manadatory, it is a developer phone by nature
Just flashed my first ROM (Cataclysm). Needless to say I was very nervous but thanks to these forums I rooted and flashed pretty easily. My only question is, how to I avoid becoming addicted now....
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jtb79 said:
My only question is, how to I avoid becoming addicted now....
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Hi,
Never begin flashing stuff...
Go back to full stock and never unlock/root again...
Forget this nice and exciting moment (first flash), it's bad for you and your addiction, no longer look behind you, look ahead ...
Think about how you was very nervous, too much stress, maybe too dangerous for health and it's not worth...
Think about your phone, maybe to much stress and fear for him too, maybe it doesn't like you for now, save your relation with him, it is not yet too late...
Try to find help from a repentant flashaholic...
And the most important, leave XDA for always...
In any case welcome and congratulations...
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jtb79 said:
Just flashed my first ROM (Cataclysm). Needless to say I was very nervous but thanks to these forums I rooted and flashed pretty easily. My only question is, how to I avoid becoming addicted now....
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Welcome to the dark side! Once you enter there is no turning back!! Hope you enjoy the xda life
A.A.
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Welcome to XDA! There's no turning back! Happy Flashing!
I wouldn't say there's no turning back. I used to flash every rom there was starting from the Samsung Captivate all the way through the HTC One. Starting from my Moto X, and now this phone, I haven't flashed a single rom. I guess stock android is just that good now. Of course, I always root and install gravity box, but who knows, maybe that will go away soon too with 5.0.
Well done for flashing the best rom already. U don't need to flash any others now anyway
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Once you start flashing....you can never go back.
Why didnt anyone warn me all those years ago?!
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jtb79 said:
My only question is, how to I avoid becoming addicted now....
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It'll pass, I've gone the other way and gone back to 100% stock (locked bootloaded and all!) as I got bored of flashing new stuff every (other) day. Android is at a point now where stock does everything I need it to
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It'll pass, I've gone the other way and gone back to 100% stock (locked bootloaded and all!) as I got bored of flashing new stuff every (other) day. Android is at a point now where stock does everything I need it to
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I'll agree with that. I got hooked flashing all the time starting with cm9 on my devices. Flashing every single night etc. Did this for years. Only thing I have done is flashed Franco kernel on my N5 and have Gravity Box installed. Couldn't be happier.
I am in same boat too, just flashing kernels these days.
I have to have, Elemental for my usage, followed development before I had my N5. (Using since HOXL)
The rest, I may try, but usually go back to stock other then kernel.
Hence my desire for nexus, no skins to remove, just a tweak or two.
WR
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aooga said:
I wouldn't say there's no turning back. I used to flash every rom there was starting from the Samsung Captivate all the way through the HTC One. Starting from my Moto X, and now this phone, I haven't flashed a single rom. I guess stock android is just that good now. Of course, I always root and install gravity box, but who knows, maybe that will go away soon too with 5.0.
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I'm going to have to agree with you. A couple years ago, I was flashing constantly (multiple roms a day if I was feeling really crazy). Now, I just don't feel the need. Stock Android is rock-solid at this point and I don't feel like roms offer any meaningful improvement anymore. It was a whole different ballgame back in the CM7 days.
While I'm completely stock on the N5, and probably will be for a while...one of the inherent joys of having wizbang custom roms is that often times when other people pick up your phone, they seriously have no idea how to use it.
It's nerdy to think this is fun of course, but dammit...it is fun.
Flashing Rom is the only way imo.
however stock N5 is near perfect
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Just flashed my first ROM (Cataclysm). Needless to say I was very nervous but thanks to these forums I rooted and flashed pretty easily. My only question is, how to I avoid becoming addicted now....
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Heh... it's addicting.
Much as I liked the stock stuff, I got used to the fancy stuff that I had running paranoid android 3.99 on my s3... so now I've been ROM jumping kk nightlies trying to find the best approximation. Beanstalk is where I've settled while I wait for PA to start putting out feature nightlies in the hammerhead stream.
I'd say that the feeling that you got when you flashed your first ROM is nothing compared to the feeling of getting out of your first bootloop or bad flash or your first buildbot actually booting. Knowing how to get out of those situations bring a sense of pride that you can only get from knowing what you are doing at a base level.
I'm talking about people on forums and not your mom or friend now, but so many people don't know the very basics of how these things work. More to the point they don't know of the potential they have (both good and bad). That all comes with time and exposure though. I still remember my first terminal script for apps2sd on Éclair.
It really doesn't matter what ROM or Kernel I am running because by the time I get done breaking it down and rebuilding it, it very rarely looks like the original version. Actually troubleshooting something and fixing it correctly, then that fix gets implemented into someone else's problem and you can talk them back from the edge of panic. That is the buzz for me.
I love my N5 on stock rom, but who knows when paranoid comes with all his features ill be tempted
mee too
I used to flash roms pretty often on my Desire HD but since I've gotten my Nexus 5 I haven't flashed a rom yet. I am however, unlocked, rooted, and using a custom recovery. I'm a cm fan so once they release a stable build with all the features I want I'm sure I'll flash cm11
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Hi,
i am very curious. I've just ordered this watch for an alltime low price on a local store in germany and will have the unit tomorrow or friday.
I am quite experienced with custom roms, rooting and modding several smartphones but having a look in this forum especially the rom development section, there's really nothing much to see there except one or two kernels.
So what's the benefit, are there any apps which requires me to have the watch rooted or is there any thing i am missing out there?
What do you think?
Cheers.
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Hi,
i am very curious. I've just ordered this watch for an alltime low price on a local store in germany and will have the unit tomorrow or friday.
I am quite experienced with custom roms, rooting and modding several smartphones but having a look in this forum especially the rom development section, there's really nothing much to see there except one or two kernels.
So what's the benefit, are there any apps which requires me to have the watch rooted or is there any thing i am missing out there?
What do you think?
Cheers.
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When I first got mine a couple of months ago, I rooted and installed the custom kernel pretty much automatically because I always root and mod my phones and I assumed that I would want total control over the system on the watch, too. It went fine, and it was fun to learn about Wear. The kernel definitely improved battery life substantially. With respect to UX modifications, there isn't much that requires root beyond uninstalling bloatwear, which, for me, was just two or three apps.
A couple of weeks ago, I was getting freeze-ups and factory reset with the intention of re-rooting. I got interrupted and figured I would do it when I had time. Well, I have been on stock since, and am pretty happy. I just change watch faces frequently which of course doesn't require root. The crashes have ceased. The battery is not as good as it was on the custom kernel, but it's more than adequate for my use case.
I'll probably get back into hacking it when I have some free time.
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When I first got mine a couple of months ago, I rooted and installed the custom kernel pretty much automatically because I always root and mod my phones and I assumed that I would want total control over the system on the watch, too. It went fine, and it was fun to learn about Wear. The kernel definitely improved battery life substantially. With respect to UX modifications, there isn't much that requires root beyond uninstalling bloatwear, which, for me, was just two or three apps.
A couple of weeks ago, I was getting freeze-ups and factory reset with the intention of re-rooting. I got interrupted and figured I would do it when I had time. Well, I have been on stock since, and am pretty happy. I just change watch faces frequently which of course doesn't require root. The crashes have ceased. The battery is not as good as it was on the custom kernel, but it's more than adequate for my use case.
I'll probably get back into hacking it when I have some free time.
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thanks.
i have already received the watched and did the setup procedure a few times by now. i unlocked, flashed twrp and rooted ( didn't confirm root so far ) after i upgraded to 6.0.1 ... i'll see how it runs for now before flashing any other kernel or whatever to check out the current performance.