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Correct me if I am wrong but I think my Diamond (bought from Hong Kong) support USA GSM network. Please see the attached picture, it shows UMTS8500+1900 + GSM850+1900 as an option in the phone setting manual.
I made this post because I saw many people complain that the first batch of Diamond doesn't support USA GSM bands but only the Asia and Euro one.
Can u check al lines, mines is:
UMTS(900+2100)+GSM(900+1800)
UMTS(850+1900)+GSM(850+1900)
UMTS(800+2100)
UMTS(850+2100)+GSM(900+1800)
UMTS(850)+GSM(900+1800)
UMTS(1700)
Mine is working is USA!
It may support those bands but it wont actually get you 3G access in America because the non American Diamonds are missing the 3G attenna. Its not a software problem but a hardware problem.
If you want to use 3G in America then wait till the American version of the Diamond is out.
the bands being able to be selected means that the RIL (radio interface layer) CAN support those bands, that DOES NOT MEAN that your Phone Hardware can support it.
The software interface is probably not smart enough to adjust itself to match hardware.
The HK Diamond hardware spec said it is a triband GSM phone. It does not have GSM850. I'm not sure if this is just a marketing / sales spec.
Anyone tested this in the US? Or any hardware/radio engineer on this forum to validate this spec?
xwaiz said:
The software interface is probably not smart enough to adjust itself to match hardware.
The HK Diamond hardware spec said it is a triband GSM phone. It does not have GSM850. I'm not sure if this is just a marketing / sales spec.
Anyone tested this in the US? Or any hardware/radio engineer on this forum to validate this spec?
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Well the HK Diamond Spec is incorrect, it "could" be quoting the US specs but the US version isnt out for another month at least.
xwaiz said:
The software interface is probably not smart enough to adjust itself to match hardware.
The HK Diamond hardware spec said it is a triband GSM phone. It does not have GSM850. I'm not sure if this is just a marketing / sales spec.
Anyone tested this in the US? Or any hardware/radio engineer on this forum to validate this spec?
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900/1800/1900, thats 3 bands = triband.
This has been discussed so many times now
I have myself written about 3 times why techincally it won't work. Search for my posts, because i really dont have the energy to type it agian!
someone1234 said:
900/1800/1900, thats 3 bands = triband.
This has been discussed so many times now
I have myself written about 3 times why techincally it won't work. Search for my posts, because i really dont have the energy to type it agian!
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hehehe...
I though this would be a good place to post this question.
I have the same bands listed as post # 2. Now my phone came out of the box like it is. No radio or rom upgrades, yet. Does that mean its Quad band unlocked already from the box? Or do I still have to load the latest radio?
Hard to say without knowing wich radio you have.
chribruu said:
Hard to say without knowing which radio you have.
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My radio is 1.00.25.03, so I would assume it's not quad band without putting one of the newer radios?
triband TD
when i got my TD, it was listed a triband. I could still use in the USA because
ATT uses 900 band also. However, their primary band is 850. THe reception with the 900 only band was spotty. I then flashed my ROM (see below) and a new radio.....05 and immediately got 4 bars where i got 1 or none. MUch improvement. However, you will NOT get 3G until you get a USA phone. It uses Edge now, (which for me is fast enough). ITs a hardware think not a ROM or radio upgrade thing to get 3G.
BTW this is my current ROM and i am very happy with my TD now. Best phone ive ever had.
Rom 1.93.456.2 WWE
Rom Date 7-10-08
Radio Version 1.00.25.05
Hard SPL 1.24
Protocol Version 52.29.25.12H
Spawn12 said:
It may support those bands but it wont actually get you 3G access in America because the non American Diamonds are missing the 3G attenna. Its not a software problem but a hardware problem.
If you want to use 3G in America then wait till the American version of the Diamond is out.
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Is there a difference between the european 3g and the american? I haven't tried my diamond in the states but I use 3g/turbo3g here in europe...
bobo_error said:
Is there a difference between the european 3g and the american? I haven't tried my diamond in the states but I use 3g/turbo3g here in europe...
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I have mine on Ebay. I have currently using in in SF with ATT 3G.
mexvato said:
I have mine on Ebay. I have currently using in in SF with ATT 3G.
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I saw your auction. Sorry, but I can't believe you're getting 3G on that phone without at least ONE bar showing in the pic!!
If the european version is missing the antenae then if he was in an area with strong enough signal wouldn't it show the 3G icon and maybe even only one bar, but that is not usable.
stpete111 said:
I saw your auction. Sorry, but I can't believe you're getting 3G on that phone without at least ONE bar showing in the pic!!
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The 3G has nothing to do with the bars.. it says 3g next to the bars if you have it.. (at the same place as the active sync icon is) I haven't seen the picture though so I'm not going to say anything..
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I have mine on Ebay. I have currently using in in SF with ATT 3G.
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So that makes me wonder why you haven't dumped the radio off the phone and let other people test it out. If in fact it is just a DIAM100 model with a modified radio to unlock the 850 gsm band.
bobo_error said:
The 3G has nothing to do with the bars.. it says 3g next to the bars if you have it.. (at the same place as the active sync icon is) I haven't seen the picture though so I'm not going to say anything..
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That's 100% untrue.
RavenGirl said:
So that makes me wonder why you haven't dumped the radio off the phone and let other people test it out. If in fact it is just a DIAM100 model with a modified radio to unlock the 850 gsm band.
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The hardware he has is the DIAM160, not the DIAM100.
Is the lack of ability to support the US AT&T 3G frequencies a ROM issue or a hardware issue?
I really don't know. From reading it is a hardware issue....but.... if it's like the TP2 and you go to where you can select which bands to use the AT&T bands are listed.
HTC Touch Freak said:
I really don't know. From reading it is a hardware issue....but.... if it's like the TP2 and you go to where you can select which bands to use the AT&T bands are listed.
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The AT&T bands are not listed as being supported. I was hoping it was a ROM issue so that a radio ROM could fix the issue. It looks as if that is not the case. Makes no sense to me why HTC would want two different GSM based hardware platforms to support.
They did it with the first TP though. The European TP has no US 3g bands
AstainHellbring said:
They did it with the first TP though. The European TP has no US 3g bands
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I did not realize that because I am still using the Kaiser. There must be some good reason they chose to do this, but it escapes me. Anyway, unless there is a possibility for a ROM enablement, and it appears there is not, there is no need to continue this thread. Too bad! Thank you all for your responses.
perlmane said:
I did not realize that because I am still using the Kaiser. There must be some good reason they chose to do this, but it escapes me. Anyway, unless there is a possibility for a ROM enablement, and it appears there is not, there is no need to continue this thread. Too bad! Thank you all for your responses.
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It is not listed on the site but is listed in the phone itself. If I understand right the reason that it does not support tri or quad band 3G is that the processor is built with only specific bands. When the tecnology is there to squeeze more bands in with it then we will get what we want.
Or something like that.
I thought I could just follow a standard tutorial for getting Cyanogen on my device, but then I was horror stricken to see this tutorial which Rogers Dream users are supposed to use:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Full_Update_Guide_-_Rogers_Dream_EBI1_to_CyanogenMod
First off the bat, I am using my dream unlocked on the Bell network, which is only WCDMA 1900mhz. So I don't know if doing this will stop the device from using HSPA over EDGE, because I don't know what's being changed in the radio version. If it changes to EDGE then I'm screwed because Bell being WCDMA doesn't support EDGE.
The tutorial is discussing keeping an EBI1 kernel for that radio but then mentions a EBI0. I have no idea what affects this will have on my device running unlocked at 1900mhz with the non stock carrier.
Also, this is probably stated in a million different threads, but how can I be assured that this guide is infact for my device. I guess I'm trying to ask what must I check to assure this will work on my device?
I would recommend using the guide at that link because of the reasons listed at the beginning and your phone will remain closer to how it came (mainly radio version).
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First off the bat, I am using my dream unlocked on the Bell network, which is only WCDMA 1900mhz. So I don't know if doing this will stop the device from using HSPA over EDGE, because I don't know what's being changed in the radio version. If it changes to EDGE then I'm screwed because Bell being WCDMA doesn't support EDGE.
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If you use the guide on the wiki the radio stays the same so there shouldn't be any problems. haykro's method uses the radio from the T-Mobile G1 and it is really unknown what the differences are but some slow data speeds have been reported. I haven't heard of anyone that can't connect to networks on certain frequencies due to the radio version, this seems to just be hardware based.
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The tutorial is discussing keeping an EBI1 kernel for that radio but then mentions a EBI0. I have no idea what affects this will have on my device running unlocked at 1900mhz with the non stock carrier.
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It only says that you won't have a EBI0 radio.
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Also, this is probably stated in a million different threads, but how can I be assured that this guide is infact for my device. I guess I'm trying to ask what must I check to assure this will work on my device?
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This should work for any Dream purchased through Rogers and has Rogers stamped on the back. You can check the radio version in the settings under about phone. It should be 3.22.20.17. You can also check the SPL version in fastboot (power on while holding camera). If you have 1.33.0009 you have the original SPL, if you have 1.33.0010 you have the new "perfect" one and you will have 1.33.0005 after rooted.
And a couple of questions for you. How did you get your phone unlocked? How is the GSM with Bell and did you get a better price than Rogers?
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I would recommend using the guide at that link because of the reasons listed at the beginning and your phone will remain closer to how it came (mainly radio version).
If you use the guide on the wiki the radio stays the same so there shouldn't be any problems. haykro's method uses the radio from the T-Mobile G1 and it is really unknown what the differences are but some slow data speeds have been reported. I haven't heard of anyone that can't connect to networks on certain frequencies due to the radio version, this seems to just be hardware based.
It only says that you won't have a EBI0 radio.
This should work for any Dream purchased through Rogers and has Rogers stamped on the back. You can check the radio version in the settings under about phone. It should be 3.22.20.17. You can also check the SPL version in fastboot (power on while holding camera). If you have 1.33.0009 you have the original SPL, if you have 1.33.0010 you have the new "perfect" one and you will have 1.33.0005 after rooted.
And a couple of questions for you. How did you get your phone unlocked? How is the GSM with Bell and did you get a better price than Rogers?
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If I have 1.33.0009 does that mean I can use a method that doesn't risk bricking? It says when I flash the SPL it can brick the device
No, im sorry there is always a possibility of bricking a device when flashing firmware. If you follow the directions to the dot and verify the md5 sum of downloads the risk of bricking should be low. If you want to root it is a risk you are going to have to take just like flashing the firmware of any device (BIOS, etc.)
Beav_35:
I also am using an unlocked rogers dream on Bell.
Notes:
I called Bell with the IMEI before I bought it and asked them if it would work. They said yes.
I unlocked by purchasing a code from an ebay seller. $6. Two hours to get it. Worked for me, twice.
The roaming setting must be enabled. The status symbol has an R in it even tho I am not really roaming. Not a big problem for me.
There is an H in the data symbol. It works OK. The browsing speed is quick (this is a relative term) when tethering but molasses when using the browser in android. Not really sure what this means but it is better than the Treo650 I was using.
I just use Bell because I have contract and it is an acceptable deal. If I didn't have any contract I might look at Fido. My son uses an unlocked Rogers Iphone on Fido and can get voice,sms, and data for $50/mo plus tax - no system access fee.
I am paying $60 plus tax- no system access fee, but I get voice mail and caller ID and some more goodies like 6pm evenings.
Is there a XT860 Radio Image or sbf / fastboot file that
will work on gsm (U.S. Bands, I.E. T-Mobile)?
instead of the chinese one, you know!
We have fastboot files from Brazil, Argentina and Mexico. All of these will work on an XT860 and GSM bands. Check out this thread for details and downloads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1370721
As far as I know, these will not give you H+, only 3G speeds. Currently the only way to have H+ on an XT860 is to be on the Bell Firmware, which we do NOT yet have an SBF for.
Hope that helps.
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We have fastboot files from Brazil, Argentina and Mexico. All of these will work on an XT860 and GSM bands. Check out this thread for details and downloads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1370721
As far as I know, these will not give you H+, only 3G speeds. Currently the only way to have H+ on an XT860 is to be on the Bell Firmware, which we do NOT yet have an SBF for.
Hope that helps.
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i could flash em :/
If you have an xt860 afaik any firmware will work on american gsm though T-Mobile will ply get edge speeds. If you have an xt862 I do not know if xt860 radio.img will work on an xt862. They have different radio hardware
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Endoroid said:
If you have an xt860 afaik any firmware will work on american gsm though T-Mobile will ply get edge speeds. If you have an xt862 I do not know if xt860 radio.img will work on an xt862. They have different radio hardware
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afaik they all have the exact same hardware, idk i have a 62, but i want a better radio, the chinese is INDECIPHERABLE :/, i would like 3g going on tmo which i'm pretty sure possible just not on the chinese radio image, also i can flash the 60's image, i just need a proper(er) img (Hopefully bell's) And a build prop to go with it, i'm making a "Ghetto Fastboot"
ericerk said:
afaik they all have the exact same hardware, idk i have a 62, but i want a better radio, the chinese is INDECIPHERABLE :/, i would like 3g going on tmo which i'm pretty sure possible just not on the chinese radio image, also i can flash the 60's image, i just need a proper(er) img (Hopefully bell's) And a build prop to go with it, i'm making a "Ghetto Fastboot"
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As far as I know the best you can do with T-Mobile is edge speeds due to them using a band neither device ca use. I wish you the best of luck, if you succeed im sure others would be interested in your results
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As far as I know the best you can do with T-Mobile is edge speeds due to them using a band neither device ca use. I wish you the best of luck, if you succeed im sure others would be interested in your results
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Thanks!! we'll see how it goes
T-Mobile uses 1700 MHz for its 3G. These phones do not have compatibility with that frequency. This is what I was trying to tell you before, when I said T-Mobile's 4G is not compatible: it's the same exact network. 3G=4G, only they call it 4G when your phone is capable of greater speeds due to more advanced radio technology, not a different frequency.
T-Mobile only uses 1900 MHz for Edge, and 2100 won't work because it's 4G only, and won't work if you don't also have access to 1700, which is for both 3G and 4G. I hope this makes sense.
I'm glad you made your own thread to deal with this issue, and I hope I am wrong and that someone more knowledgeable comes along and corrects me and tells us all how to make it work. If you figure it out I will apologize as well. However, I just want it to be clear that no one who has made gsm work on the D3 has been able to (let alone interested in) getting 3G/4G to work on T-Mobile. I have assumed it is because it's an incompatibility problem between the hardware of these phones and the network you're trying to use.
Even if you had an xt860, it wouldn't work on 3G on T-Mobile, so using their radio.img and build.prop won't help on the xt862. Just because you can flash them doesn't mean they will work.
By all means, please post results and let me know if I'm wrong. As I said, I would prefer to be wrong in this case, but I don't think I am.
By the way, the xt883 radio.img shouldn't change the functionality of the phone beyond letting it connect to gsm in the US. I really don't see what your gripe is with it. Not that I'm offended or something; who cares. But I use it every day and haven't seen any results worth frowning over, let alone trying to switch to the xt860's which is not at all compatible with CDMA.
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T-Mobile uses 1700 MHz for its 3G. These phones do not have compatibility with that frequency. This is what I was trying to tell you before, when I said T-Mobile's 4G is not compatible: it's the same exact network. 3G=4G, only they call it 4G when your phone is capable of greater speeds due to more advanced radio technology, not a different frequency.
T-Mobile only uses 1900 MHz for Edge, and 2100 won't work because it's 4G only, and won't work if you don't also have access to 1700, which is for both 3G and 4G. I hope this makes sense.
I'm glad you made your own thread to deal with this issue, and I hope I am wrong and that someone more knowledgeable comes along and corrects me and tells us all how to make it work. If you figure it out I will apologize as well. However, I just want it to be clear that no one who has made gsm work on the D3 has been able to (let alone interested in) getting 3G/4G to work on T-Mobile. I have assumed it is because it's an incompatibility problem between the hardware of these phones and the network you're trying to use.
Even if you had an xt860, it wouldn't work on 3G on T-Mobile, so using their radio.img and build.prop won't help on the xt862. Just because you can flash them doesn't mean they will work.
By all means, please post results and let me know if I'm wrong. As I said, I would prefer to be wrong in this case, but I don't think I am.
By the way, the xt883 radio.img shouldn't change the functionality of the phone beyond letting it connect to gsm in the US. I really don't see what your gripe is with it. Not that I'm offended or something; who cares. But I use it every day and haven't seen any results worth frowning over, let alone trying to switch to the xt860's which is not at all compatible with CDMA.
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That's how i've understood it, our devices lack the 1700 band. It will work on t-mobile network, but only at edge speeds. I do believe this has been tried. I also don't think an xt860 radio.img will work as expected on an xt862, but i wish him the best of luck. I would like to use t-mobile when i travel to the states, they have a really good pay per day plan compared to others i looked at(although for a week at a time i can live with edge speeds). and yes, xt860 is GSM only if the flash does work there will be no CDMA functionality
bp.img VS radio.img
What is the difference between bp.img and radio.img ?
Is it the same file ?
SX86 said:
What is the difference between bp.img and radio.img ?
Is it the same file ?
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Open in a Hex Editor to compare. I don't think they are the same... I took apart all of the files in the latest Bell update with no success, as well I tried dd'ing all of the different partition blocks to my phone just before sending it into the shop to get Bell firmware re-loaded onto it and didn't get any luck... in the end it was basically an encrypted bootloader problem.
If we can get the phone bootloader-unlocked we *might* be able to use some of the dd images that were created (I have each partition from bell 2.3.4) flashed through RSD then do the upgrade to the latest Bell, which overwrites the radio and boot partitions...
Let me know if anybody is interested in them. Please note, they the whole partitions and have extra padding on them. Also, I think I missed /preinstall, but I can't remember.
I created a new thread for this... again it's the original Bell stuff 2.3.4. I can probably do the same thing for the current Firmware as well.
Please see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1449027 for the 2.3.4 dd images
I've never seen/heard of that first one you mentioned before.
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I've never seen/heard of that first one you mentioned before.
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its in a candian rom, no its not the same, don't try to flash you'll mess up ur phone
So... did anyone try the XT860 radio on the XT862?
Is anyone working on getting the Tmobile HSPA+ 3G spectrum up and running on the international/ At&T / Developer Edition of the HTC One?
Out of the box the unlocked versions only support Tmobile 2g Edge speeds and the newly refarmed 4g LTE on the 1900 spectrum.
The carrier branded phones are almost $150 more than the unlocked versions and the hardware is "technically" there for all of the frequencies. What are the chances that we will have a solution, similiar to the below, found on the ATT Galaxy Note 2? I'd be willing to donate for a workaround.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2068041
At a minimum you'd need s-off to flash a different radio. Until you (we) have a working method to get s-off there is zero chance of this happening.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2235323
Im having same issues here I have 64GB Developer Edition and I'm stuck on TMobile Edge. I though this was Quad Radio
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Im having same issues here I have 64GB Developer Edition and I'm stuck on TMobile Edge. I though this was Quad Radio
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This was a concern of mine as I'm off contract with ATT already and may jump ship. If you look deeper than the word "quad" and actually look at the bands supported vs what the carriers use vs network coverage, you would have found out that
A) Tmo "3G/4G" runs on AWS (700/2100) (really should be called HSPA+42)
B)Tmo have refarmed a some bands to support "3G" on 1900 (HSPA+21)
C)Tmo LTE is not everywhere
which means... if you are not in a refarmed area (which again is not everywhere) you will be either on LTE or Edge.
So.... refer to the top link for hope. Which is S-off and a flash of the radios (the chip itself should have all the bands).
ehh its late... I basically repeated what the OP said.
I was under the impression that an s-on radio flash solution had been posted already.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2245615
nilism said:
I was under the impression that an s-on radio flash solution had been posted already.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2245615
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Its true, However I was told we need the T-mobile radio to use his method which makes perfect sense. So, I just got my t-mobile htc one today and id like to learn how to get my radios off my phone to share it with you guys.
Can anyone please show me step by step on how to get the radios off my phone? Will post here ASAP then you guys can test it.
Thanks
Becool0130 said:
Its true, However I was told we need the T-mobile radio to use his method which makes perfect sense. So, I just got my t-mobile htc one today and id like to learn how to get my radios off my phone to share it with you guys.
Can anyone please show me step by step on how to get the radios off my phone? Will post here ASAP then you guys can test it.
Thanks
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Lol pretty sure step two of that guide tells you how to pull the radios for backup and / or sharing. (o;
Thank me later.
Has anyone figured this out yet using the QPST method in the Qualcomm software like we do with Samsung?