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Hi all,
This is my first post, although I have been following the group for a long time. My post is motivated by the observation that a massive imbalance exists, particularily in the Legend development community.
There is a huge mass of non-contributing users badgering a small group of hard-working developers, whilst free-loading off the many hours they spend trying to improve the Legend for all of us. (BTW - I'm not pointing any fingers that don't equally apply to myself!) The value of the hours they are putting in is huge, and the return amounts only to the occational humble click of a thanks button.
I have written to the XDA owners and proposed that they implement a system whereby users can donate to a specific thread, and that each month the proceeds of thoses donations are distributed to posters according to the distribution of new "thanks" clicks to them. Unfortunately I have not heard anything in reply, so in the meantime I propose that we start here in the Legend development forum in a less systematic way.
For example; all of us eagerly following ogo2's thread on his Alpha rom should support how we can. We have all heard BlaYO's hesitance to get too involved in that he needs another Legend to do development work on, as he can't render his own out of service for days on end. Absolutely fair point. I would suggest that all active developers in here create a donation account somewhere so that the rest of us ungrateful, free-loading scavengers (again, myself included, and meant in the most positive way! ) can contribute.
Let's get BlaYO a second development Legend, or ogo2 some resources on Linux compilation etc. It's the least we can do, even if we are just selfishly offering to help them, help us
It would not take much, and I am quite certain that anyone who can afford a Legend can also afford to donate $10-20 now and then. What a small price to pay for all the hours that our devs spend working to bring all of us the latest and greatest. Let's give something back!
There were a bunch of users that actually donated to my PayPal account (a few months ago I didn't believe this could happen by the way).
I'd personally object to such a system for various reasons, the main one being complication of something which is a pretty simple in fact: You like the work of someone, you donate (or buy).
Moreover, there are a few CM developers whose work on their device (which happens to use an msm7227 chipset) directly influences the Legend too and therefore my work as well. They are not active in the Legend forum though.
So what I basically want to say: There's a lot of work going on – not hours but weeks – which you might never see because these almost unmoderated boards here are full of you-name-it and every CM developer I know pretty much dislikes XDA for that very reason.
You don't see us (40+ developers) working, but that doesn't mean we aren't.
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Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
ali ba said:
Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
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Is this meaning that the new CM7s will have the new kernel?
By the way, what was modified in the kernel source so the tiwlan didn't compile normaly?
I don't need a new Legend, I just need some peace...
There you go
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I don't need a new Legend, I just need some peace...
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Peace be with you
Hmmm... OK, I get that my proposal could have some shortcomings, however the intent is good. It's great to hear that users donated to your Paypal, Ali Ba, perhaps other devs should just publish Paypal details too, and users can direct donations to where they feel they are most deserved?
It is not meant to be fair compensation for the numerous hours spent, as the basic principles of community development should still be the driving force. It could, however, be a token of appreciation from those unable to contribute in any other way.
I can't help but feel that there would be more devs involved with more and faster progress as a consequence, if only there was a little reward in there too. Surely that would be in everybodies interest.
In any event, I offer my thanks to all the devs here, and I would be happy to back that up with a contribution, should you decide to go that way
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Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
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I was working on getting wl12xx driver working with 2.6.32 kernel but I didn't succeed yet. Is there a reason not to switch to wl12xx driver instead? It also provides soft AP support int the same driver.
Regarding donations, it would be nice if I could donate you via Google checkout.
Thanks.
Yea leave Blay0 alone man, He's getting enough hassle on the Alpha thread as it is! people say they'd like to help then just request more things like a2sd,overclocked kernel etc.If you know anything about linux try helping by trying to build drivers for the last 2 bits (i.e Bluetooth,wifi)
I must say also that there were individuals who offered me donations which I respectfully refused and instead apoint those guys to their nearest charity. I'm not doing this for money (I make money doing other things) I'm just doing it coz I like to know how things work and I always like to learn new things. So if I become bored those donations definitely won't convince me to keep on doing it.
Don't you guys ever think that I'm doing all this for you! Noooope! I'm doing it for me and my own satisfaction. Yes, that's right I'm actualy a selfish, egoistic basterd but in a process of achieving my own goals (which are also inspired by some of your suggestions) I'm really happy if someone else learn something from me. They are few but it doesn't matter... they will definitelly pass on their knowledge and that's important coz I believe knowledge is universal and must be available to anyone willing to accept it and you cannot charge for that.
Don't kidd yourselves, this Legend thingie will be among us at most for another year and then it will get its successors and its community will become even smaller and eventually it will be disbanded and some of us will find new projects, learnig new thing and again passing on all the gained knowledge.
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Don't kidd yourselves, this Legend thingie will be among us at most for another year.
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A whole year is an optimistic approach
The main problem in the development of the HTC Legend is the device itself. It's a rare phone, and pretty much a very small group of people is using it. That also makes the group of talented developers thinner. Look at the Hero or SGS forums topic/post count. Sure - most of them are retarded, and previously answered questions, but still folks in the dev section are coding some crazy and amazing stuff. That's because those devices where popular and successful. The HTC Legend was ment to be the successor of the HTC Hero, but this ain't gonna happen. Nobody will remember this phone in a year or two. That's of course HTCs fault, not ours.
Also mentioning all the request, demands and stupid questions in the dev forum - this forum is not that bad
Go check the Nexus S section. For example the NexusSense topic (my girlfriend got a Nexus so I'm somewhat interested). Now that's pure fukcin massacre out there
Greets!
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Agreed, I thought Legend was a kickass sucessor, but very few people actually bought it...I've deserted to Desire S, but I think that's a very similar case so far anyways...
But back on topic: The thing is, everyone has an interest in what he's doing and unless he has a gain from that work he wouldn't be doing it But the idea of donating is noble ofcourse
Let's support our developers by not asking stupid and obvious questions, using search button, hitting that freakin' "thanks" button as often as we can, and most importantly by using our own brains to gain even more from their work
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Let's support our developers by not asking stupid and obvious questions, using search button, hitting that freakin' "thanks" button as often as we can, and most importantly by using our own brains to gain even more from their work
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Amen! (10char )
Agree with the great Dr!
PLUS This is a General thread so should be in the general section.....Threads should go into the right forums for a start! Hate to think how many threads there are in the wrong place :/
So, I can't be the only one thinking this but can we have separate threads for dev/mod appreciation, complaints, criticism... I know that's why the thanks option was created but it seems to be a lost cause in some cases. I often see new posts to otherwise dormant threads merely because someone had a good/bad experience with a Rom/mod and wants to comment about said experience... I tend to get a bit excited about such posts as there may be a development with the aforementioned ROM/mod. This is highly disconcerting as most replies to these topics tend to be nothing more than "yays! and Thank yous"...it's getting to be a bit much. We definitely got stuck with a **** stock ROM and most of us are doing everything we can to deal with it until the infamous update comes but in the meanwhile, can we just separate the win from the bull****? It would be cool if dev posts could be exclusively for dev updates rather than the op and another two hundred posts about nothing...
(don't take this the wrong way, i'm trilled with all of the hard work that's been put into making the Revo what it is as we know it, this is just a rant...)
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Check out the mikmik forums I think the way it is set up is perfect but xda isn't set up like that.
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I concur. Although i am for people posting helpful tips/solutions to problems that can trip other users up. I was able to figure out the little issues i had when downgrading due to the helpful comments in the thread.
Good morning Ladies and Gents,
I'll get to the point, this is a developer site right? Well then my question is why was one of this site's best developers blacklisted from receiving his title as " recognized"? Ladies and Gentlemen this Developer has done more for this forum than anyone, he has carried the phone and I mean phone in all its forms under his wing, and made roms so stable , so fast.. so revolutionary that he has earned his stripes. He spends hours upon hours up answering questions , making instructional videos, talking on the phone or chat, for what? To make sure each persons experience with the Rom, their phone is as it should be... Amazing. I may be rambling to some, but to the others that feel the way I do , its a fact.... WILD CHILD deserves recognition for his innovations that make the phone a conversation piece, a show stopper . Ban me if you must but I'm speaking my opinion , and if that ticks people off oh well .. Bring him back and give him the title he has earned
Signed.
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Co-signed
Why does he need a title for creating roms? Even though you don't see his roms in our forums, he is still doing stuff for the vivid/raider/holiday community.
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It is about recognition. He should be recognized for his efforts by the people who run the site. He is not another poster like me, he is an actual developer and he had earned his title through hard work and endless hours of creation.
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i agree
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It is about recognition. He should be recognized for his efforts by the people who run the site. He is not another poster like me, he is an actual developer and he had earned his title through hard work and endless hours of creation.
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I know what he has done for us thru his work. Did you ever think that maybe he doesn't care about "this status" anymore? I for one think he is much happier on his site not having to worry about the stress and drama that XDA creates.
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I know he is happy on his site but if we are using his work here on this site, wcx recovery, then he should be recognized here for his work.
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I know he is happy on his site but if we are using his work here on this site, wcx recovery, then he should be recognized here for his work.
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You do have a point with that . There is nothing wrong with a good discussion in the morning lol.
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Devs who contribute that much should be recognized so they feel appreciated by everyone who benefits from all the hard work...I know I do and I am relatively new to Android and HTC..but thanks so much for ALL the Devs hard work..
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I know what he has done for us thru his work. Did you ever think that maybe he doesn't care about "this status" anymore? I for one think he is much happier on his site not having to worry about the stress and drama that XDA creates.
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You for one herr Dr. dont know him , i personally know the B.S. this site has laid in his way... and as petty as you seem to think it is, it would mean alot... now go get buknasty lol
Totally agree the amount of support he gives is far above and beyond anything I've ever seen. He was out to dinner and took a phone call to help someone get their phone up and running. He has some tire dedication to his work and it shows in the quality
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he is top notch. I've been around for a good long while. Used his inspire from.. hell my daughter still does. He engages users on every level...not scared to be personal with users.. he is top notch and at the end of the day CUSTOMER satisfaction is paramount to him...that's right I said customer...he treats everyone like they paid 200 bucks for his roms. He is a class act. Plain and simple. His people are loyal to a fault...when I say his people I mean all the members of his forum. We all participate...we all contribute and you'll find that we will all stand up for him. He is more than a developer. Xda should see him for what he is...he should be the benchmark...
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he is top notch. I've been around for a good long while. Used his inspire from.. hell my daughter still does. He engages users on every level...not scared to be personal with users.. he is top notch and at the end of the day CUSTOMER satisfaction is paramount to him...that's right I said customer...he treats everyone like they paid 200 bucks for his roms. He is a class act. Plain and simple. His people are loyal to a fault...when I say his people I mean all the members of his forum. We all participate...we all contribute and you'll find that we will all stand up for him. He is more than a developer. Xda should see him for what he is...he should be the benchmark...
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Spot on!
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Where i greatly appreciate the compliments,as far as xda is concerned byt the last response i got with applying it was a basic none releated to anything i have or havent done here on xda....so basically it was a blow off stating i wasnt qualified or god wnough or hadnt contributed enough to be recognised as a developer here....and thats fine....no worries...this was just another reason to not develope and release on here....i still support other peoplles roms and problems here....but as far as my work goes....its just a title that they felt i wasnt deserving of no matter what i have done....if i can find the email ill post the generic response i got.....
WC
Edit Found the GENERIC response that did not apply to me at all in any aspect....
Thank you for recently applying to be a recognized developer of XDA. We regret to inform you that your application has not be accepted. But don't worry, you can still re-apply starting 1 August using this form.
We cannot accept your application because of one of these reasons:
1) you have made too few posts on XDA......(I had over a thousand posts)
2) while you are a very helpful XDA user (which we appreciate tremendously), we didn't see much actual development coming from you.(ive been releasing since the sony x1 series)
3) we noticed that you have been inactive on XDA for a long time.(I am always on here)
4) your development work has been limited to just a couple of things. Keep it up! We want to make sure that you continue to do great development work.( A couple things?? I release 5-6 ROMS with each device)
5) we decided not to accept those that make icons or themes. We realize that themes and icons take a lot of work, but we're focusing this program on those that are doing other types of development.(I dont make themes)
6) we found you to either have a history with infractions, or you might have been banned in the past for breaking XDA rules/exhibiting bad behavoir.(I had never had an infraction or a warning till this year and it was reversed since 2008)
7) most of your development work comes from an online kitchen. We encourage you to continue to cook ROMs, and to even contribute on a more substantial level to the development of custom ROMs.An online Kitchen? News to me where theres an onlie kitchen that you can cook fully functional tweaked roms)
Again, our purpose in doing this is to not set up an exclusive club, but rather to provide extra privileges to those that are making significant development contributions to the XDA community. We want you to be able to have these privileges, which is why we're happy to re-evaluate your application come 1 August.(CROCK OF BS)
Thank you for your understanding. If you feel that we are mistaken for any reason, or you want more specifics on why we made this choice, please PM me back with subject "Appeal".
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You guys can make up your own minds as to these reasons which do not fit any of my criteria
WC
As a moderator I recently endorsed him being bestowed with the Recognized Developer title. This was done before we became friends, at the time when the forum was going through a lot of turbulence & all the developers were leaving.
The following comments are my own & only represent my views. Yes WC can be hard headed, opinionated & argumentative. That's also probably why we get along, we understand each other.
There are some Cooks that have the RD title that really don't deserve it.
I personally never used anything WCX before the Vivid. Since the Vivid section started having issues with rudeness & kanging I reached out to many of the developers about forming a developmental group & WC was the only person that took the time to respond. Since that time, we have become friends along with J4n87 & together things have been coming together. WC does currently participate in the xda Vivid forum. He answers questions & helps users with tutorials & instructional Videos. You think cooking a rom makes you a developer? No, it does not. For every Vivid related WCX release or rom, there are hours of work & collaboration on many items. Most of the development is done over the phone, gtalk & via email. While I never really used WCX Windows Mobile roms, I was a mod & followed most of the developers & cooks. I just read this response letter & while I do truly love XDA, I feel it is important to make comments in reply to the letter he posted.
You will find my comments below in blue.
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Where i greatly appreciate the compliments,as far as xda is concerned byt the last response i got with applying it was a basic none releated to anything i have or havent done here on xda....so basically it was a blow off stating i wasnt qualified or god wnough or hadnt contributed enough to be recognised as a developer here....and thats fine....no worries...this was just another reason to not develope and release on here....i still support other peoplles roms and problems here....but as far as my work goes....its just a title that they felt i wasnt deserving of no matter what i have done....if i can find the email ill post the generic response i got.....
WC
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Thank you for recently applying to be a recognized developer of XDA. We regret to inform you that your application has not be accepted. But don't worry, you can still re-apply starting 1 August using this form.
We cannot accept your application because of one of these reasons:
1) you have made too few posts on XDA......(I had over a thousand posts)
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WC has been cooking roms & developing items for the roms pre-WM6. I saw his work in the Kaiser, Raphael, Rhodium & Xperia forum threads. I think number of posts is a silly factor. Imagine if pof only had 100 posts, but all of the posts were for S-Off or CID unlock for 100 different devices. Would that not be worthy development? WC has nearly 2500 posts & has averaged nearly 2 posts a day since November 2008.
2) while you are a very helpful XDA user (which we appreciate tremendously), we didn't see much actual development coming from you.(ive been releasing since the sony x1 series)
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As I stated, he has been developing roms since Kaiser at least, but also contributed roms to Xperia, Raphael, Rhodium, Inspire & HD2 forums.
3) we noticed that you have been inactive on XDA for a long time.(I am always on here)
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I see WC contributing in many ways & he has numerous posts that are development related & just generally helpful, answering questions & helping out new users with issues.
4) your development work has been limited to just a couple of things. Keep it up! We want to make sure that you continue to do great development work.( A couple things?? I release 5-6 ROMS with each device)
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A couple of thing? Well, most of the posts are roms, the roms all include other developments (many of which get kang'd) & each of the roms was supported & updated regularly. Unlike some cooks, WC still updates & supports older device roms. Many cooks here just close their thread as soon as they get someone to donate them a new device.
5) we decided not to accept those that make icons or themes. We realize that themes and icons take a lot of work, but we're focusing this program on those that are doing other types of development.(I dont make themes)
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WC does not make themes. His roms are really stock like & made for folks that want to do their own customizations on a solid, high performing base rom. He does not just unzip a rom & remove bloatware, but actually ports items from other devices he works on & adds perfomance enhancing tweaks & mods. His roms are not flashy like some of the early RD cooks, but they work as well & much of the time even better. I also love that I don't have to have some cooks gaudy graphics & his name all over my device & boot screen.
6) we found you to either have a history with infractions, or you might have been banned in the past for breaking XDA rules/exhibiting bad behavoir.(I had never had an infraction or a warning till this year and it was reversed since 2008)
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I looked. There are no infractions. There was one this year that was given in error because of a mistake a mod made & it was overturned & deleted by the issuing mod. The only thing I can think of is that I know there was a disagreement between WC & one of the flashy Cooks/Mods. While this person makes pretty roms, they always left a lot of orphaned files & registry entries behind.
7) most of your development work comes from an online kitchen. We encourage you to continue to cook ROMs, and to even contribute on a more substantial level to the development of custom ROMs.An online Kitchen? News to me where theres an onlie kitchen that you can cook fully functional tweaked roms)
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This one really upsets me, as It is a flat out lie. If you go through WC's posts, you can see him starting out & inquiring on how to manually port XIP & SYS files questions about other areas of development. None of the roms I dl'd & looked at were cooked using the Modaco online kitchen.
Again, our purpose in doing this is to not set up an exclusive club, but rather to provide extra privileges to those that are making significant development contributions to the XDA community. We want you to be able to have these privileges, which is why we're happy to re-evaluate your application come 1 August.(CROCK OF BS)
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Yes, WC does not boast about all of the work that goes into the devices he works on & he doesn't do it all himself. However, there are many things that he has ported from one of the devices in his collection to another that has been of benefit. He ported some thermal related libraries & drivers from the LG Nitro HD to the Vivid & that is one of the reasons his roms don't suffer the thermal heat issues that many of the other do. Yes, the posts just look like a rom release because he isn't bragging about the mods & that is partly out of humility & partly out of the fact that people don't ask permission & hate giving credit & just kang anything that is new.
I'd also like to point out that when I first went to the Android OS, I had an Inspire that was my gal's. I found the WCX Inspire rom & contacted WC. He called me on the phone & walked me through a few issues. He stayed on the phone with me from unlock/s-off, all the way to flashing the WCX Inspire rom. We probably talked for 90 minutes.
I'd also like to add that all of the development work I have done with the mod & the Tweaks app, probably never would have been done without WC working with me & j4n87. There are a lot of things going on development-wise for the Vivid that are not known yet & that are being developed via gtalk & email & if it weren't for a few bad eggs, WCX roms & development would be back here at xda. The WCX site is a smal non-commercial site that primarily serves a place to host the rom downloads. I would like to see him receive RD status & back here with XDA as a primary outlet for his work. Respect is the only thing I can see that is preventing that from happening. Users are disrespectful & to not be recognized for his work is just one more slap in the face, the proverbial straw that broke the camels back.
Thank you for your understanding. If you feel that we are mistaken for any reason, or you want more specifics on why we made this choice, please PM me back with subject "Appeal".
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You guys can make up your own minds as to these reasons which do not fit any of my criteria
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Wow... Just wow. I'm speechless.
All I can come up with is to thank you both for everything!
Well that and I truly hope you guys have the best recoveries possible.
heres a perfect example....4 hr phone call for tech support for user kelnhofer,then another 30 min call while out too dinner with him again.....smh....
WC
Wild Child said:
heres a perfect example....4 hr phone call for tech support for user kelnhofer,then another 30 min call while out too dinner with him again.....smh....
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hahaha, that's dedication, mobile tech support
"Senior member" lol, didn't even realized it doesn't say dev, wtf... I have your roms like 3 yrs ago on my tilt2... And who are those "developer committee" anyways? other devs?
You, sir are definitely a dev for me, don't care what xda says!
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For those of you that have been around these parts for a while, you may remember the State of Development updates that good ol' Gsleon3 used to update us with. These came for us at a time when development for the Vivid seemed to be at a standstill, and for those of you that were here, you remember why. For those of you who don't, let me catch you up a little (and I apologize for the bad feelings that this may drum up, but I don't want anything to get out of control again). So grab a beer and a snack, this may be a long one
It was about April, and development for the Holiday was still in its infancy. There were a few good ROMs being released, and generally, it was a good place to be. Then accusations of stealing other's work, accusations of corrupt moderators, and all around child-like behavior started, and it became the downfall of the Holiday forum at XDA. ROM threads started closing. Then came the bickering. Then the Devs left. Then the users began to play the blame game, and the "let me try to whine my way to what I want" game. All the best devs left and opened up shop in their own little corners of the internet (and I can't blame them one bit), and development for the device was no longer centralized. There were/are still AWESOME ROMs available for this device, just not on XDA. This always made me a little sad. As painful of a place as XDA (or any internet forum for that matter) can be at times, there's sooooo much good information crammed into one site that it has always been my one-stop shop, but that wasn't true any longer. I settled in, I found a home, but I kept a close eye on what else was happening across the interweb's Holiday community. I liked to keep my eye on one project specifically, synergy's CM10 project, because who wouldn't want JellyBean, right?
Now, a little more information for those of you who weren't around.. The original CM10 thread was opened at another site in July, where the project started. Syn put a lot of time and effort into it, but in the end, found it to be not worth his time to continue on a project he didn't see possible to ever be finished (mainly due to the ATT in-call mic issue and video issues), and again, who can blame him? He abandoned the project at the beginning of August. This is where mg picked the project up, and continued it with a few fixes himself, before somehow we caught the attention of h8rift. h8 has been awesome - cleaning up our trees, getting things in their proper home, and powering through anything that gets in his way It's so great to have him around.
Myself, up until October, had only ever had experience with things like making boot animations, icons, editing .xmls in .apks, and some slight .smali edits. Thanks to mg's excellent guide and a crapton of Googling, I learned out how to compile/build cm from source. Then I thought, "I wonder if I could do the same for other JB flavors?" So guess what? I tried, and it worked. Every single question I had along the way (with the exception of a few Ubuntu and git specific questions), were answered by a thread here at XDA. Cool, right?
I am very excited to see new ROMage out for this device...as I'm sure anyone who was here through the "Great Holiday Wars of 2012" would agree, I was pretty sure what we had was all we were ever going to see. Which again, would have been OK, cause there are some great ROMs out there, but I've never been the kind of dude to settle in on the same ROM for too long - that's why I came to XDA in the first place. Now as I'm sure everyone can see, through collaboration, this project is making HUGE progress! I cannot thank mg and h8 enough for keeping it going. This brings me to my last point...
I encourage everyone to participate, and offer suggestions, and share information - that is, after all, what a developer's forum should be about. The wealth of knowledge that's available at XDA is out of this world, but sometimes hiding deep within the threads, filled by off-topic chatter and users who have way to huge a sense of entitlement. Please always keep in mind that the things you're getting here are free. Hours upon hours upon hours of work go into these projects, just to be shared for very little asked in return. Wait, we ask for something in return? Yes - READ, SEARCH, and SEARCH AGAIN before posting. Like I said, there's already a wealth of knowledge here that's incomparable to other Android forums on the web, but yes, sometimes it can be trying to find that information. But it's not impossible. Also - keep an eye on the issues list. There are bugs. There will probably always be bugs. And as long as there are, they will continue to be squished to the best of our ability (though h8's ability is far beyond mine, so let's especially be nice to him )
In closing - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not let this place become what it was before. So far I feel like the atmosphere around here has been a lot better, but I know how easy it can be for it to slip back to where it was. So be respectful, don't ask for ETAs, and be thankful for what we have - cause what we now have is a TON more options that we had before.
I remember the "Great Holiday Wars of 2012"... it was ugly, didn't even want to visit the site half the time. But things are looking up and I'm glad I didn't return my vivid thirty days after the release date like so many did.
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For those of you that have been around these parts for a while, you may remember the State of Development updates that good ol' Gsleon3 used to update us with. These came for us at a time when development for the Vivid seemed to be at a standstill, and for those of you that were here, you remember why. For those of you who don't, let me catch you up a little (and I apologize for the bad feelings that this may drum up, but I don't want anything to get out of control again). So grab a beer and a snack, this may be a long one
It was about April, and development for the Holiday was still in its infancy. There were a few good ROMs being released, and generally, it was a good place to be. Then accusations of stealing other's work, accusations of corrupt moderators, and all around child-like behavior started, and it became the downfall of the Holiday forum at XDA. ROM threads started closing. Then came the bickering. Then the Devs left. Then the users began to play the blame game, and the "let me try to whine my way to what I want" game. All the best devs left and opened up shop in their own little corners of the internet (and I can't blame them one bit), and development for the device was no longer centralized. There were/are still AWESOME ROMs available for this device, just not on XDA. This always made me a little sad. As painful of a place as XDA (or any internet forum for that matter) can be at times, there's sooooo much good information crammed into one site that it has always been my one-stop shop, but that wasn't true any longer. I settled in, I found a home, but I kept a close eye on what else was happening across the interweb's Holiday community. I liked to keep my eye on one project specifically, synergy's CM10 project, because who wouldn't want JellyBean, right?
Now, a little more information for those of you who weren't around.. The original CM10 thread was opened at another site in July, where the project started. Syn put a lot of time and effort into it, but in the end, found it to be not worth his time to continue on a project he didn't see possible to ever be finished (mainly due to the ATT in-call mic issue and video issues), and again, who can blame him? He abandoned the project at the beginning of August. This is where mg picked the project up, and continued it with a few fixes himself, before somehow we caught the attention of h8rift. h8 has been awesome - cleaning up our trees, getting things in their proper home, and powering through anything that gets in his way It's so great to have him around.
Myself, up until October, had only ever had experience with things like making boot animations, icons, editing .xmls in .apks, and some slight .smali edits. Thanks to mg's excellent guide and a crapton of Googling, I learned out how to compile/build cm from source. Then I thought, "I wonder if I could do the same for other JB flavors?" So guess what? I tried, and it worked. Every single question I had along the way (with the exception of a few Ubuntu and git specific questions), were answered by a thread here at XDA. Cool, right?
I am very excited to see new ROMage out for this device...as I'm sure anyone who was here through the "Great Holiday Wars of 2012" would agree, I was pretty sure what we had was all we were ever going to see. Which again, would have been OK, cause there are some great ROMs out there, but I've never been the kind of dude to settle in on the same ROM for too long - that's why I came to XDA in the first place. Now as I'm sure everyone can see, through collaboration, this project is making HUGE progress! I cannot thank mg and h8 enough for keeping it going. This brings me to my last point...
I encourage everyone to participate, and offer suggestions, and share information - that is, after all, what a developer's forum should be about. The wealth of knowledge that's available at XDA is out of this world, but sometimes hiding deep within the threads, filled by off-topic chatter and users who have way to huge a sense of entitlement. Please always keep in mind that the things you're getting here are free. Hours upon hours upon hours of work go into these projects, just to be shared for very little asked in return. Wait, we ask for something in return? Yes - READ, SEARCH, and SEARCH AGAIN before posting. Like I said, there's already a wealth of knowledge here that's incomparable to other Android forums on the web, but yes, sometimes it can be trying to find that information. But it's not impossible. Also - keep an eye on the issues list. There are bugs. There will probably always be bugs. And as long as there are, they will continue to be squished to the best of our ability (though h8's ability is far beyond mine, so let's especially be nice to him )
In closing - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not let this place become what it was before. So far I feel like the atmosphere around here has been a lot better, but I know how easy it can be for it to slip back to where it was. So be respectful, don't ask for ETAs, and be thankful for what we have - cause what we now have is a TON more options that we had before.
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I got my vivid in april lol. when did the "wars" start? didnt really get into xda until like may or july
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I got my vivid in april lol. when did the "wars" start? didnt really get into xda until like may or july
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Right before that...I got my vivid in late may I think and that was when the blame game was going around lol...wasn't pretty
Could not agree more with the op, lets be thankful for what we now have...and hopeful for what's to come
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seems like I got my vivid after all this happend. Got it off craigslist since I was switching from cricket
Well said homeslice. Although I haven't been as active in my participation I got the Vivid on day 1 and am really happy to see development where it is today. There were many points I thought the device was basically dead and time and time again it was revived with new life. Hopefully the few left can make sure not to repeat drama mistakes of the past.
And great job on going from a reader to a developer, very well done.
Why is my xda premium app only let me reply/post on certain sections of forums and not development??:banghead:
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Random. But how many posts do you have? Until you have 10, you won't be able to post I. Development
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Random. But how many posts do you have? Until you have 10, you won't be able to post I. Development
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i think is not fair to close a wip thread to bring a sense 4 rom to the vivid all i wanted to do is help this device users to be on the latest software as i said in the post that was closed i wasn't going to share it to everybody i want it to share it to developers to bring this rom to all users but it got closed for "kanging" which i think is not true since venom team never released a vivid rom even thou the did for rezound which is pretty similar device but cdma and korean's make their work on the rom also to make the radio work which no body here in xda could do after many tries all i want is to help the community and specific this device owners which expect more from this device and we know is capable of running this system and much more please let the development continue we are stuck right know on sense only because someone doesn't want to share their work on other devices which is ok if you are the developer of something and you don't want to share but why stop someone who is trying to help on a device you haven't released a rom I bet that many of the vivid users would like to flash a sense 4.1 rom on their devices
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i think is not fair to close a wip thread to bring a sense 4 rom to the vivid all i wanted to do is help this device users to be on the latest software as i said in the post that was closed i wasn't going to share it to everybody i want it to share it to developers to bring this rom to all users but it got closed for "kanging" which i think is not true since venom team never released a vivid rom even thou the did for rezound which is pretty similar device but cdma and korean's make their work on the rom also to make the radio work which no body here in xda could do after many tries all i want is to help the community and specific this device owners which expect more from this device and we know is capable of running this system and much more please let the development continue we are stuck right know on sense only because someone doesn't want to share their work on other devices which is ok if you are the developer of something and you don't want to share but why stop someone who is trying to help on a device you haven't released a rom I bet that many of the vivid users would like to flash a sense 4.1 rom on their devices
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In what part of this conversation with you this morning @ 8:01 AM was I not clear about? Would you care to elaborate??
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i had been given a link to a rom port of venom rom for the htc vivid with sense 4 and your mods in it but it is the only rom that has sense 4 for the vivid i would like your permission to post it in vivid section since it is your work the only problem is that it was made in korea and the installer script and aroma is in korean language please think about it there are so many vivid users that would like to use sense 4 on their devices thanks for your time!!
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Sorry but we don't approve of the use of our work by non-team members and do not condone the porting of any of our roms to other devices for various reasons. One of those reasons is these roms will never meet the same level of quality and support our users have become accustomed to as such, these roms will never be allowed on xda and will also be refused Venom Hub access.
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Can it be used as a base at least since it has a working ril?
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That would be the same as porting
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Ok thanks for the time you took to answer my request!!
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Sorry it's not the answer you're looking for but we run into these request every day along with unauthorized ports.
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Don't worry i understand perfect the situation
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In what part of this conversation with you this morning @ 8:01 AM was I not clear about? Would you care to elaborate??
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Btw, we're not trying to be the bad guys here... We're simply trying to protect our property. Perhaps the best way for you to achieve your objective is to reach out to the kangers to find out how they managed to port it over to your device...
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Btw, we're not trying to be the bad guys here... We're simply trying to protect our property. Perhaps the best way for you to achieve your objective is to reach out to the kangers to find out how they managed to port it over to your device...
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That's exactly what I want but there is a language barrier, instead of releasing could you try to make it legit here with your team? Please I know there are really good developers and they can find how to make it legit is all I ask I do not want to make an issue out of trying to help others with this device, this device is capable of running this Rom flawless just like the one x or rezound which in fact is is the same device but cdma could you help us or assign this port to one of your team members?
Or if none of you has the vivid let a vivid developer take care of it please we have really good developers here to!!
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This all sounds familiar...the point of this thread...
Let's just drop it. The villec2 should get its jellybean sense+ update soon, and maybe we can port it. Or maybe we can get the Koreans to share their secret. In the meantime, it appears to be elsewhere, so get it there if you must
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That's exactly what I want but there is a language barrier, instead of releasing could you try to make it legit here with your team? Please I know there are really good developers and they can find how to make it legit is all I ask I do not want to make an issue out of trying to help others with this device, this device is capable of running this Rom flawless just like the one x or rezound which in fact is is the same device but cdma could you help us or assign this port to one of your team members?
Or if none of you has the vivid let a vivid developer take care of it please we have really good developers here to!!
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So, the options are:
1. We remove all of our tweaks from the framework files of a kanged port of one of our roms so that you can use it as a base
2. You find a Korean translator to ask the one who got data working how he did it.
Let's not start more xda drama the vivid forum has already been thru this. Either find someone who speaks Korean to ask to translate or have them remove all of their tweaks like they ask. The vivid has come to far now to start drama over a sense 4 ROM
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So, the options are:
1. We remove all of our tweaks from the framework files of a kanged port of one of our roms so that you can use it as a base
2. You find a Korean translator to ask the one who got data working how he did it.
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I'm not been sarcastic please help the vivid users to get a sense 4 Rom up and running if you can remove your framework from it that would be awesome to use it as a base I know you and your team are great developers I'm using your viper Rom on my wifes phone and I am really impressed with what you guys have done, I never wanted to start a war here or elsewhere all I want to do is give the sense 4 option to vivid owners like me!! I'm really sorry I have caused any issues.
Happy New year to everybody !!!! I hope this mess get resolved soon !!!
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I'm not been sarcastic please help the vivid users to get a sense 4 Rom up and running if you can remove your framework from it that would be awesome to use it as a base I know you and your team are great developers I'm using your viper Rom on my wifes phone and I am really impressed with what you guys have done, I never wanted to start a war here or elsewhere all I want to do is give the sense 4 option to vivid owners like me!! I'm really sorry I have caused any issues.
Happy New year to everybody !!!! I hope this mess get resolved soon !!!
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You don't understand the work effort in removing our tweaks from the framework so you'll need to follow up with the Koreans.
And I honestly hope we don't see any more links to this kang roms, either here or on rootzwiki.
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You don't understand the work effort in removing our tweaks from the framework so you'll need to follow up with the Koreans.
And I honestly hope we don't see any more links to this kang roms, either here or on rootzwiki.
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I do understand, I'm sorry if it was to much to ask I also understand that you and your team can be mad because of my actions, it won't happen again I'm really sorry
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I do understand, I'm sorry if it was to much to ask I also understand that you and your team can be mad because of my actions, it won't happen again I'm really sorry
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Time to find some Koreans!
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Time to find some Koreans!
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I tried to contact bananacakes but he hasn't responded yet
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I did not know of carburano's work with the LG Optimus 2X for GB but with ICS I do have to say I really appreciate the time and effort he has put into the development. His thread in the development section is one of the most read and posted thread. I believe it is almost as large as the JB threads and in some cases larger. Even his old GB thread is still being posted to and growing monstrous in size.
I have tried to keep up with his ICS thread but it is so hard with the large number of posts everyday, some seeming to be constant repeats of previously asked questions or small replies to others. In some cases people just quote someone else and add lol. Everything I see points to carburano being very dedicated and committed to his work and followers. I can understand the difficulties he has sifting through the posts looking for good feedback and positive replies to his hard work. I am certain that he reads over every post and each one takes up some of the time he sets aside for us all.
Being such a large and popular thread I was surprised not to see more threads on DjangoManoucheX (yes I even used the search feature) where people would discuss everything from how a particular ril performs to which baseband people are using with his rom. But than again without them being started by the creator of this fabulous rom few people may take them seriously and in some cases may not take the time to search for them.
@carburano thank you for breathing life into my phones have never worked better. I have 3 LG2X's and some nights I may install roms with different kernels to see how they work for a few days, taking note of particular things I like better than others and how things are implemented. I enjoy this type of playing with the phones, I spent many years as a electronics and computer technician and finding something that keeps me this excited is beyond words to explain. Yet after many tests I keep coming back to your rom as the standard.
Please take the popularity of your thread and rom as I hopefully believe it is meant to be, a positive show of how much everyone appreciates your work. Some people may get over excited like kids in a candy store waiting for the store keeper to restock the shelves and sometimes this may lead to them typing to fast or some things lost in translation. Seeing your work and any new release you put out is like Christmas time all over again.
I would have tried to post this on the DM rom thread as I could find no other thread praising your work but 2 things stopped me
1. I am new so can not. I have lurked in the shadows for to long watching and
2. I need to try and figure out what the "on topic" topic's are. So hopefully in the general area is where I should put this.
Thank You again carburano I believe things could not be better with you keeping the phone and your followers so well looked after.
Heya, I'm glad you liked his ROMs but the thing is carburano is not a developer, he is a "rom cooker". . He "cooks" a rom using the preferences/addons/themes etc.. he likes.
Other than that, I support this post. I think he is a great contributor to this community.
thanks carburano.
Thanks
I appreciate the clarification in terminology. I am behind and need to catch up some.
My main goal was to try and express my gratitude and maybe others for the work he puts in to make our life and phones better and easier.
Hello...
Carburano is a great cooker, and even so good that we could say developer, at least he's able to give Roms as good as he was a 'developer'.. And a good person as far as I 'know' him
But the community deceived me a lot theses days because they didn't really understand the meaning of XDA and of what he is doing, for FREE.
He would not provide his update to everyone because some have though his thread was a general/Q&A thread... and what some replied ?! "Ok, no problem, we don't care, if you don't provide us a even better Rom every week we switch to an other". But boys tell me, what's are the problems that 'everybody' encounter with the 1.4 ? It is fully and absolutely working, stock based and theme with a kernel that LG was dreamimg to build but wasn't even able to.
So what do theses guys want... every developer deserve respect for what they are giving to our phone which was at the beginning made for the developer's phone only, so you can't complain of anything about what Carburano is doing
@Carburano: Thank a lot for what you gave us, giving our old phone an extended life
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I'm sorry but i cannot continue with this environment, i've stolen many days to my private life not to hear that i must release soon otherwise i'm an id***... I prefer to continue dmx privately and if things will be fine i will give you links. I promised to avoid open a new thread for my roms and i will keep this promise. Ciao guys. This is it
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A sad day it is.
When we take something for granted that was given for free and than expect to be treated like we paid for it.
carburano and other developers / chef's / cookers already have enough things to do with there own life that their free time and evenings should be spent doing the things they love because they want to and not because people try to make them feel bad about not giving all their time to one thing.
I have stayed off forums on many different websites and out of the conversation because I am more than happy to patiently wait for the next release or happy to work out all the bugs that I can on my own before I bother anyone, but now it is to late I should have joined earlier if for nothing else than to click on the thanks button.
@carburano because of the great work I have seen in your rom it has peaked my curiosity to maybe give it a try myself and see what I can do with my phones. It is a good thing there are high quality developers and chefs on XDA that I can try to seek guidance from. I would expect there are alot of people who do create their own custom roms but also keep them private to avoid the stress that seems to be taking over.
I learned from playing addictive online games that Real Life takes priority and you need to take the time to ensure it does not slip past you while you look at the computer screen.
No problem man.. You are absolutly true, the community have been really disrespectful towards you and your life that we all know very busy, and I really hope that your decision will make some minds change..
Again, thank for your work..
Hi carburano, i really reeeally reeeeeeeally love your work on DMX. I always come back to your rom when i try others rom's. That speed, smoothnes, battery life.
Well, now its over because some idiot's. :banghead:
But if you relese newer version's of your DMX, can you please send me links?
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This forum is dying anyways got the O2x for 2 years now and i ordered my Nexus 4 thanks for keeping this phone alive devs but i think this is just the end for the O2x.
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I'm sorry but i cannot continue with this environment, i've stolen many days to my private life not to hear that i must release soon otherwise i'm an id***... I prefer to continue dmx privately and if things will be fine i will give you links. I promised to avoid open a new thread for my roms and i will keep this promise. Ciao guys. This is it
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Take the advice of your quote and live well, your work speaks for itself. If you decide to share any further work I know there are dedicated people who are more than willing to provide positive feedback to what works and does not work. My wife gets mad at me when I change her phone because I see something I want to test out on it so I will have to just keep playing with my other 2 LG2X's for now.
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This forum is dying anyways got the O2x for 2 years now and i ordered my Nexus 4 thanks for keeping this phone alive devs but i think this is just the end for the O2x.
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Not for me. I want my O2X to live forever.
I've just had my power button replaced, and I'm even considering buying a new battery for it just so I can make it feel new.
Welll guys...
Life goes on.....
Thx Carbo,one more time...
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Carbru bro what I am seeing this?
Please dont!
You are a greatest dev and contributor since years for our 2x. You've made a great effort. We miss you please come back:/
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Carbru bro what I am seeing this?
Please dont!
You are a greatest dev and contributor since years for our 2x. You've made a great effort. We miss you please come back:/
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Last months my thread became o2x trashbin.. It was my fault too... So i took this decision.
I alteady miss xda but i cannot continue in this way
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Last months my thread became o2x trashbin.. It was my fault too... So i took this decision.
I alteady miss xda but i cannot continue in this way
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Man, this is sad because of a few stupid guys, we lose a great dev like you ! :crying:
I've been a fan from your first ICS release, I loved your jokes during install, like the cookie recipe and the fake windows install !
Now I have DM X1.2 and can't update anymore
Can you send a link for us who enjoyed all your hard work ? :good:
Thanks for your time and work Carburano, don't let stupid people upset you !
But Carburano, why so many of us have to be punished this way like the bad ones? I'm still at Stock 2.3, when I see the news about DjangoManouche X 1.5 I see the perfect rom to my phone. I just hope some day I can use your rom, because to me, your rom seem to be the best one. We will miss you man!
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Last months my thread became o2x trashbin.. It was my fault too... So i took this decision.
I alteady miss xda but i cannot continue in this way
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Hey mate,
I do have one suggestion which you might want to try.
Create an Q&A or userthread in the general section, where people can post more freely.
Add big fat red lines at your op stating that every kind of offtopic needs to get posted there and only posts for bug reports etc. are allowed in your dev thread.
Then consequently report users who break the ground rules.
If someone does it continuously ask the mods if they could hand him an infraction.
This forum is about development and contributions - not about dumbasses who can't keep their mouth shut and think they need to clutter threads in the development section.
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Well I looked in the official release thread for DM 1.5 link and I think I found the post where carburano had placed his link but I think it has already been removed or maybe moved to a new post due to the problems that thread was having. No one wanted to be subjected to the same problems he was having. That is sorting through all the extra off topic posts.
For some people I hope it opened their eyes to the problem, for others all they could do was complain about it even though carburano posted the exact page where he shared.
I'am happy playing with 1.4 it works great.
@carburano good job in the way you posted the link, if even a few people now think twice before they post threads or where they post them I would say you accomplished the task of educating them.
I will keep looking in my spare time, maybe get lucky one day.
I need link for Dm1.5?Thnks.
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Hey mate,
I do have one suggestion which you might want to try.
Create an Q&A or userthread in the general section, where people can post more freely.
Add big fat red lines at your op stating that every kind of offtopic needs to get posted there and only posts for bug reports etc. are allowed in your dev thread.
Then consequently report users who break the ground rules.
If someone does it continuously ask the mods if they could hand him an infraction.
This forum is about development and contributions - not about dumbasses who can't keep their mouth shut and think they need to clutter threads in the development section.
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I read rc/rd pm... And it's a good idea but now i will wait until things come back to normality and then i will think about it
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