I want to update my HTC one to 4.2.2 but mine is the US variant (HTC_001 and not locked to any carrier) so I guess it will be a while before the update goes OTA??
Anywho, I understand that there is away to change the MID to get OTA from UK (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2322820)
But it says that I require "s-off".
Can you be kind enough to explain what it is and how I can get it?
uzman1243 said:
I want to update my HTC one to 4.2.2 but mine is the US variant (HTC_001 and not locked to any carrier) so I guess it will be a while before the update goes OTA??
Anywho, I understand that there is away to change the MID to get OTA from UK (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2322820)
But it says that I require "s-off".
Can you be kind enough to explain what it is and how I can get it?
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S-off means security off.
There are certain partitions in the phone which contain the firmware, drivers, etc which are protected with s-on (security on). The reason for this is that if incorrect data is written to these areas your phone can become a permanent brick.
Obtaining s-off is a relatively easy process but can be risky if you don't know what you are doing.
My suggestion to you if you don't know what s-off is is to research and then some more and be familiar with the benefits vs risks.
In my signature below is a guide by vomer which provides details and links to the various processes you have to go through.
rider5512 said:
S-off means security off.
There are certain partitions in the phone which contain the firmware, drivers, etc which are protected with s-on (security on). The reason for this is that if incorrect data is written to these areas your phone can become a permanent brick.
Obtaining s-off is a relatively easy process but can be risky if you don't know what you are doing.
My suggestion to you if you don't know what s-off is is to research and then some more and be familiar with the benefits vs risks.
In my signature below is a guide by vomer which provides details and links to the various processes you have to go through.
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Thank you.
I looked into it, and the whole process is a very arduous task. You have to unlock the bootloader, then root it, then s off, then use that tutorial to change the MID.
I think there is too much risks given my knowledge of android hacking.
I guess ill just have to wait for OTA for the US variant.
uzman1243 said:
Thank you.
I looked into it, and the whole process is a very arduous task. You have to unlock the bootloader, then root it, then s off, then use that tutorial to change the MID.
I think there is too much risks given my knowledge of android hacking.
I guess ill just have to wait for OTA for the US variant.
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Why wait for an ota update when you could just unlock the bootloader, install a custom recovery, and install something like ARHD 12.0 which is rock stable and is way more faster than the stock rom.
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uzman1243 said:
Thank you.
I looked into it, and the whole process is a very arduous task. You have to unlock the bootloader, then root it, then s off, then use that tutorial to change the MID.
I think there is too much risks given my knowledge of android hacking.
I guess ill just have to wait for OTA for the US variant.
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Yea..u dnt hv to s-off to flash custom rom...
uzman1243 said:
I want to update my HTC one to 4.2.2 but mine is the US variant (HTC_001 and not locked to any carrier) so I guess it will be a while before the update goes OTA??
Anywho, I understand that there is away to change the MID to get OTA from UK (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2322820)
But it says that I require "s-off".
Can you be kind enough to explain what it is and how I can get it?
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Just wait for the OTA, should be soon.. I just got mine updated OTA 2 days ago HTC_044.
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akk60 said:
Why wait for an ota update when you could just unlock the bootloader, install a custom recovery, and install something like ARHD 12.0 which is rock stable and is way more faster than the stock rom.
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Hmmm well I prefer the Stock 4.2.2 with sense 5. And since mine is USA variant so the only way to get it will be to change the MID. so thats unlock the bootloader, then root it, then s off, then use that tutorial to change the MID.
alanchai said:
Just wait for the OTA, should be soon.. I just got mine updated OTA 2 days ago HTC_044.
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USA man, its always the last one that gets the updates. But thank god mine is not given to an carrier.
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hi,
im a resident of india and im facing problems updating my mobile using the cell network . i contacted the service centre but in vain. i hv downloaded the kernel source code for my device frm htc dev but am unable to use it. please direct me with required steps.
tanfidle said:
hi,
im a resident of india and im facing problems updating my mobile using the cell network . i contacted the service centre but in vain. i hv downloaded the kernel source code for my device frm htc dev but am unable to use it. please direct me with required steps.
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What are you trying to do?
And what are you doing with the source?
Ruu or source code?
Kernel source code is for devs to compile their own kernel and use things from it, not for regular users like us
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markj338 said:
What are you trying to do?
And what are you doing with the source?
Ruu or source code?
Kernel source code is for devs to compile their own kernel and use things from it, not for regular users like us
Sent from my Incredible S using XDA
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what is the procedure to manually update my phone wich is still stuck at froyo to the latest available version??
where can i find the required files...
(OR)
is there any way to recieve ota updates??
please post the required links and directons...
(i hv not tampered with any of the internal phone factory settings)
tanfidle said:
what is the procedure to manually update my phone wich is still stuck at froyo to the latest available version??
where can i find the required files...
(OR)
is there any way to recieve ota updates??
please post the required links and directons...
(i hv not tampered with any of the internal phone factory settings)
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Wow, so you are stuck on froyo without an ota update to gingerbread?
Go to about -> software updates and check now
To see if you have any updates available
Amazing that you are still on froyo, in Australia the phone launched with gb!
Sent from my Incredible S using XDA
markj338 said:
Wow, so you are stuck on froyo without an ota update to gingerbread?
Go to about -> software updates and check now
To see if you have any updates available
Amazing that you are still on froyo, in Australia the phone launched with gb!
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i have already tried that but failed....
it instantly shows that my phone software is upto date....
markj338 said:
Wow, so you are stuck on froyo without an ota update to gingerbread?
Go to about -> software updates and check now
To see if you have any updates available
Amazing that you are still on froyo, in Australia the phone launched with gb!
Sent from my Incredible S using XDA
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+1 we had 2.3.3 then got ota to 2.3.5 now we got 4.0
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using xda premium
We are actually quite fortunate with all the updates we have received
I think something you can try is to run the ruu for your correct region/Cid
Pretty sure its safe, can someone confirm?
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i have searched for some ruu files but am unable to decide wich one is gud fr me...
please help...
What is your software version at the moment?
markj338 said:
What is your software version at the moment?
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2.2.1
It there a number like 4.10.405.1 somewhere in about phone?
It wont start with a 4, maybe with a 1 or 2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28593737#post28593737
i found this thread but it seems that there is some issue of ota and ruu??
please guide me what link to follow to update my device with directions to do so....
markj338 said:
It there a number like 4.10.405.1 somewhere in about phone?
It wont start with a 4, maybe with a 1 or 2
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my software number is 1.36.720.1....
What is your Hboot version too?
If you want to root, now would probably be a good time if you Hboot is compatible with revolutionary
Unless you can find a ruu or ota that is compatible, which I don't know
If you don't want to root you need to find an ruu or ota that works with your phone (I have no experience in doing this)
Another thing you could do is make a goldcard and flash any ruu (I did this)
Edit: guide to s off froyo
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036581
Not tested personally, read the comments
markj338 said:
What is your Hboot version too?
If you want to root, now would probably be a good time if you Hboot is compatible with revolutionary
Unless you can find a ruu or ota that is compatible, which I don't know
If you don't want to root you need to find an ruu or ota that works with your phone (I have no experience in doing this)
Another thing you could do is make a goldcard and flash any ruu (I did this)
Edit: guide to s off froyo
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036581
Not tested personally, read the comments
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i dont want to root my device for now....
i just want to get a legal ota update to my device asap...is there any way to do so??
tanfidle said:
i dont want to root my device for now....
i just want to get a legal ota update to my device asap...is there any way to do so??
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Yes, you can run the ruu
I don't know which one, either someone else can tell you or you need to research
Just ask someone get before doing it, to be sure, I don't know sorry
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You should probably start by installing CID Getter from the market to determine what region your phone is made for. After that, it will be easier to determine which RUU you need to get you up and running. Post your CID here and maybe we can find the correct RUU for you.
mr nick said:
You should probably start by installing CID Getter from the market to determine what region your phone is made for. After that, it will be easier to determine which RUU you need to get you up and running. Post your CID here and maybe we can find the correct RUU for you.
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i already hav an OTA file for the indian version but from one of the threads but dint know hw to use the file to update my phone....
The problem with OTA files is that they are incremental and are only meant for going from specific versions of software so the fact that you are on such on old version, it is highly unlikely that any OTAs are available, hence you need to flash a full RUU of either the most up to date or at least a much newer release.
As an example, I flashed the Virgin AU RUU that's available on here but it's too old to receive OTA updates. I then used a backup of the software that was on my phone when I bought it and that received an update within seconds of turning on.
So you will need to determine what your CID is and then you will be able to get a newer RUU that will allow you to start receiving OTA updates.
tanfidle said:
i already hav an OTA file for the indian version but from one of the threads but dint know hw to use the file to update my phone....
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Once again, please put the phone in FASTBOOT USB mode and then run the command:
fastboot getvar all
and post the results. This will give us all of the information to help guide you in the right direction.
The problem with an OTA is that it is upgrades you from one specific version to another, so if you don't have the right version to start with, an OTA will not help you.
I have HTC One from Three UK, I got S-off, Super CID 11111111, currently on viper One, wondering if anyone tried changing there MID and CID and work out way to get taiwanees 2.24 update, now I dont want people saying do this do that, please I want to know who actually done this successfully. If Yes, Can you please share your experience.
I have a question...why? Why would you want to go through the trouble just to get an ota when were very shortly going to have stock rooted roms..I just can't get why people get so upsy to get the ota
a box of kittens said:
I have a question...why? Why would you want to go through the trouble just to get an ota when were very shortly going to have stock rooted roms..I just can't get why people get so upsy to get the ota
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I agree with you, Just wanted to get earliest updates, one more thing with that update HTC has already taking out all the reasons of custom rom for me!!
and one more thing it will flash the firmware, and there would be stability, i am becoming more of flashoholic with the phone all the time in recovery!!:laugh::laugh:
I have done it so I could get ota from dev edition, changing the cid is easy however changing the mid is not. You must flash engineering hboot and add some changes using android sdk command prompt. If your interested let me know, however you can easily update your firmware and Rom pretty easy and most developers are only a couple days behind an update, plus they are much improved from what HTC original Rom. I would wait the couple day and flash the Rom and if your concerned about firmware there are many threads on xda that are pretty much noob proof! Good luck
handman29 said:
I have done it so I could get ota from dev edition, changing the cid is easy however changing the mid is not. You must flash engineering hboot and add some changes using android sdk command prompt. If your interested let me know, however you can easily update your firmware and Rom pretty easy and most developers are only a couple days behind an update, plus they are much improved from what HTC original Rom. I would wait the couple day and flash the Rom and if your concerned about firmware there are many threads on xda that are pretty much noob proof! Good luck
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Thanks for the Info. Did you follow this guide.
Hi all,
I've had my one since April on 3UK, it's completely stock. I'm fed up with waiting for 3 to push the 4.2.2 update, and want to get the OTA pushed to my device. How can I do this? I'm very confused with the whole rooting/unlocking etc.
Any help appreciated
Thanks
Rickydg said:
Hi all,
I've had my one since April on 3UK, it's completely stock. I'm fed up with waiting for 3 to push the 4.2.2 update, and want to get the OTA pushed to my device. How can I do this? I'm very confused with the whole rooting/unlocking etc.
Any help appreciated
Thanks
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Yeah, im sick of waiting for Vodafone AUS to release it, I am not sure whether to go customer roms right now (was not going to on the One, just keep doing so on the Note) but im looking to unlock and root the One with these threads, have a lok.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2260376 (video guide)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2183942 (Toolkit to unlock/root)
Cheers
twerg said:
Yeah, im sick of waiting for Vodafone AUS to release it, I am not sure whether to go customer roms right now (was not going to on the One, just keep doing so on the Note) but im looking to unlock and root the One with these threads, have a lok.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2260376 (video guide)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2183942 (Toolkit to unlock/root)
Cheers
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So do I have to unlock AND root to get the OTA pushed to my one?
Rickydg said:
So do I have to unlock AND root to get the OTA pushed to my one?
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If you want the OTA, you'll have to wait for the OTA.
If you want 4.2.2, you need to unlock and flash a custom ROM.
BenPope said:
If you want the OTA, you'll have to wait for the OTA.
If you want 4.2.2, you need to unlock and flash a custom ROM.
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I'm sure i'd seen a post about how to get the OTA...?
If I flash a custom ROM are there stock HTC ones available that would be the equivalent of the 4.2.2 OTA? (I'm thinking the answer is yes!)
Thanks
Rickydg said:
Hi all,
I've had my one since April on 3UK, it's completely stock. I'm fed up with waiting for 3 to push the 4.2.2 update, and want to get the OTA pushed to my device. How can I do this? I'm very confused with the whole rooting/unlocking etc.
Any help appreciated
Thanks
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I assume you still have Hboot 1.44.000, so you can unlock and get S-Off with RevOne http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2314582 and get the OTA by changing the CID number. It is not that hard and it is reversible because you can downgrade to 4.1.2 if needed. Change CID in cmd: fastboot oem writecid.
You don`t need root for this procedure.
Best is to flash a custom 4.2.2 rom
Don't try to force the OTA. It requires making deep changes to your system files and settings. Simplest thing to do if you just want 4.2.2 is to flash a stock rooted 4.2.2 rom.
Post deleted! Really should read before replying!
I honestly can't believe I am asking such a rudimentary question with how long I've been here, but it's always been "htcdev root then s-off exploit" before.
Now though, I have the option of just simply installing Weaksauce to get a temproot... then running that Firewater adb script with that temproot to get S-OFF, essentially getting S-OFF without needing a (permanent) root first.
To be honest, the only reason I even want root right now is to install that app/patcher that removes the SD card restrictions KitKat added. Again, before since I had to use htcdev first I would root, then install a rooted rom, then get S-OFF, so I already had a permrooted rom before I gained S-OFF. If I already have S-OFF(that means I have full access to the entire flashrom right?), would I still not have root access because the rom itself doesn't give me that access? And if so, can I just modify a permissions file or something similar, or would I need to flash a rooted version of the stock rom? I know those exist, but since I just got this phone I don't want to heavily modify it's software just yet. I know it will still have bloatware, and as much as I hate it, almost all of it is uninstallable on the stock Sprint M8 rom (wish I coudl get rid of Sprint Zone and Sprint ID though).
Well, that, and the other reason is because this phone basically came out less than a month ago, and already had a firmware update from Sprint, it is sure to get more updates down the road. Would rooting and getting S-OFF prevent me from installing official updates? (I don't want to have to wait for a modified version to become available, and if I was going to go down that route, I might as well just use a custom rom). Or could an official update lock me back to S-ON and require me to run the exploit again (providing they didn't also patch said exploit in the update)?
Oh, and oen final thing, because I constantly hear that changing the battery (admittedly, not an issue with the M8) or doing this or that breaks Google Wallet for security purposes, would doing any of this stop Google Wallet and it's NFC features from working?
Weaksauce doesn't work on the Sprint M8.
And of course you can still take OTA updates while S-OFF (as long as your system is completely stock and you have the stock recovery).
Captain_Throwback said:
Weaksauce doesn't work on the Sprint M8.
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Oh, I was under the impression that it could
So then my only option is the htcdev unlock? I really want to avoid basically telling HTC "Don't let this IMEI have any warranty service" if I can. I still won't have any issues getting S-OFF if I use the htcdev method though, right?
Cyber Akuma said:
Oh, I was under the impression that it could
So then my only option is the htcdev unlock? I really want to avoid basically telling HTC "Don't let this IMEI have any warranty service" if I can. I still won't have any issues getting S-OFF if I use the htcdev method though, right?
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No, HTC Dev won't interfere with you gaining S-off.
So, does anybody know about the Google Wallet thing?
Cyber Akuma said:
So, does anybody know about the Google Wallet thing?
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What "thing" are you referring to?
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FinZ28 said:
What "thing" are you referring to?
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Last line in my original post:
Oh, and oen final thing, because I constantly hear that changing the battery (admittedly, not an issue with the M8) or doing this or that breaks Google Wallet for security purposes, would doing any of this stop Google Wallet and it's NFC features from working?
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Google Wallet and all its features should work just fine.
Sent from my HTC device
FinZ28 said:
Google Wallet and all its features should work just fine.
Sent from my HTC device
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Fin is correct, that was an issue with the EVO LTE when it first came out, people were not first disabling Wallet before they flashed, and this caused an issue with app reinstallation. I believe that was resolved many updates ago for wallet.
03orlandor6 said:
Fin is correct, that was an issue with the EVO LTE when it first came out, people were not first disabling Wallet before they flashed, and this caused an issue with app reinstallation. I believe that was resolved many updates ago for wallet.
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Thank you for the detailed response, It's a great help when people also explain why something does or doesn't work in some way.
So basically, to summarize, for a Sprint M8 I can only use the official dev unlock, and even the temporarily root methods don't work, but after I use the dev unlock I can run firewater to get S-Off?
I am going to have to install a rom with root access after I use the dev unlock though and not be able to rely on the Stock rom through aren't I? I can still get a rom that is 100% the stock rom, just with root access though, right?
Would I have to worry about anything or an OTA resetting me to S-ON? Especially if it can fix the exploit that currently allows for S-Off?
Cyber Akuma said:
Thank you for the detailed response, It's a great help when people also explain why something does or doesn't work in some way.
So basically, to summarize, for a Sprint M8 I can only use the official dev unlock, and even the temporarily root methods don't work, but after I use the dev unlock I can run firewater to get S-Off?
I am going to have to install a rom with root access after I use the dev unlock though and not be able to rely on the Stock rom through aren't I? I can still get a rom that is 100% the stock rom, just with root access though, right?
Would I have to worry about anything or an OTA resetting me to S-ON? Especially if it can fix the exploit that currently allows for S-Off?
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Yes, use HTC Dev to unlock, install a custom recovery, then flash SuperSU for root access. You can then use Firewater to gain S-off. You can stay on the stock ROM, just be warned that you'll get update notifications if you aren't on the latest OTA update. Having said that, you won't be able to install said update unless you reinstall the stock recovery.
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Having said that, you won't be able to install said update unless you reinstall the stock recovery.
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It's only the recovery that matters? Not the S-Off or having Dev unlock or anything else? And only for installing a stock update, not running it after it's been installed?
Isn't that easy to flash and re-flash? Can't I just easily re-flash back to a stock recovery, install the OTA, then flash back?
Oh, and can I lose S-Off in a future update or something this way? Or is it permanent once applied? (Although I know you can hex-exit the bootloader to make it look like it's still S-On, not sure if I want to do that since it sounds extremely risky).
Cyber Akuma said:
It's only the recovery that matters? Not the S-Off or having Dev unlock or anything else? And only for installing a stock update, not running it after it's been installed?
Isn't that easy to flash and re-flash? Can't I just easily re-flash back to a stock recovery, install the OTA, then flash back?
Oh, and can I lose S-Off in a future update or something this way? Or is it permanent once applied? (Although I know you can hex-exit the bootloader to make it look like it's still S-On, not sure if I want to do that since it sounds extremely risky).
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It's that easy, yes, and no, you can't lose S-off by applying an OTA update. Take a look at the thread in the link below for more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2720558
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Hey guys, I just bought this phone yesterday from AT&T. Just out of the box I received an OTA update, which I thought was the KK update. But no, I am stuck on android 4.1.2 and Sense 5.0, and when I try to update, all I get is a message saying that everything is up to date and there are no updates available for me.
I am on the AT&T network at the time, and my phone is completely stock, no mod whatsoever. Any ideas what is going on????
You might want to exchange for a new unit or request for them to update, for all we know applying solutions suggested by us might just void the warranty instead.
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Piachnp said:
Hey guys, I just bought this phone yesterday from AT&T. Just out of the box I received an OTA update, which I thought was the KK update. But no, I am stuck on android 4.1.2 and Sense 5.0, and when I try to update, all I get is a message saying that everything is up to date and there are no updates available for me.
I am on the AT&T network at the time, and my phone is completely stock, no mod whatsoever. Any ideas what is going on????
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use this RUU to get to 4.3 >> http://androidruu.com/getdownload.p...13_10.38j.1157.04_release_334235_signed_2.exe
you need locked / relocked bootloader
being your on 4.1.2 now would be a great time to get s-off before doing the ruu update. check this guide for getting s-off
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2365506
clsA said:
being your on 4.1.2 now would be a great time to get s-off before doing the ruu update. check this guide for getting s-off
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2365506
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+1 .. do it now!
Lets say I don't do S-Off (i don't really know what that is, my earlier phone was a crappy samsung) and I do the update with the RUU, will I be able to do S-Off later???
The thing is that i don't want to void the warranty. Coming from a really bad phone, where I had to mod EVERYTHING to get it working acceptably, I would really like to settle down and be stock for a while. Of course, that feeling will probably last a few months and then I will be flashing roms every 2 days lol.
If I flash the RUU manually, that doesn't void the warranty right? I mean, its an official firmware i suppose. On the other hand, if I can only do the S-Off thing right now, i might consider staying a while longer with 4.1.2 ... after all it is not so bad.
Piachnp said:
Lets say I don't do S-Off (i don't really know what that is, my earlier phone was a crappy samsung) and I do the update with the RUU, will I be able to do S-Off later???
The thing is that i don't want to void the warranty. Coming from a really bad phone, where I had to mod EVERYTHING to get it working acceptably, I would really like to settle down and be stock for a while. Of course, that feeling will probably last a few months and then I will be flashing roms every 2 days lol.
If I flash the RUU manually, that doesn't void the warranty right? I mean, its an official firmware i suppose. On the other hand, if I can only do the S-Off thing right now, i might consider staying a while longer with 4.1.2 ... after all it is not so bad.
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Yes it is HARDER to do S-OFF on later updates.
SaHiLzZ said:
Yes it is HARDER to do S-OFF on later updates.
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Mmm I think I'll start reading more before I make any decisions. Eventually I will root and install custom rims and kernels, so I'd like to keep my options open. If it's HARD but not impossible I might upgrade and stay stock.
Would you say there's a big difference between 4.1.2 / Sense 5.0 and 4.3 / Sense 5.5 ???
It's not that hard really.. i decided to s-off when im already running a KK rom. Firewater worked like a charm.
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Gain S-Off now, and forever be happy. I never cared about OTA when I had that phone, I could run any RUU I wanted to, I changed from ATT to Dev, to GPE and back so many times. Just awesome.
JiroPrinz8 said:
It's not that hard really.. i decided to s-off when im already running a KK rom. Firewater worked like a charm.
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Until you get whelped..