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Hi,
i am pending between Desire and the N1 my doubts are:
1- How about the extra ram benefits of the Desire RAM: 576 MB versus the 512 MB RAM of the Nexus?
2- i know that HTC have a very strong XDA community so i am concerned that in the future XDA Roms and hacks for N1 are more faster droped then the HTC desire because although it is known that both use the same hardware but the Desire have more RAM, radio and perhaps a a better camera ("offering a solid 30 frames per second at D1 quality. The Nexus One only has D1 recording at a minimum of 20 frames per second") and perhaps other stuff so in the future let´s say when Android 2.3 gets out one can´t put it on N1 although there is a cooked rom for Desire because there are slight hardware differences

1. Yes, the desire has more ram, some will be required for Sense UI to run well, some more might be used for running programs
2. i think developers will naturally be attracted to the nexus one over the desire because the nexus one is a developer phone, it is easily hackable, and very flexible. the sense UI is proprietary which adds an extra problems when trying to fiddle with it.

Thanks for the fast response liam.lah
I mean if the the extra ram of the Desire RAM: 576 MB versus the 512 MB RAM of the Nexus will make a significant difference?

Have you considered the fact that n1 will get instant updates when google releases a new version of android? htc will make you wait a bit before they release their updated senseui+rom. i think that would also annoy devs.
the extra ram will benefit the sense ui interface, by making it smoother, but n1 doesnt have sense ui so that 64mb ram isnt making a difference to n1's speed.
edit: the desire also looks alil uglier - in my opinion (the buttons at the bottom ruin the sleek look)

mythamp said:
edit: the desire also looks alil uglier - in my opinion (the buttons at the bottom ruin the sleek look)
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I completely agree

Don't forget that sometimes HTC seems to artificially hold back updates to help sales of new models.
Look at the Hero/Legend. Same damn phone pretty much, but HTC isn't pushing an update to 2.1 to the Hero so it doesn't cannibalize sales of the Legend, which is sitting at 2.1 with identical guts inside. Totally artificial roadblock.
Who knows if that will happen with the Desire and some future HTC model.
Also..The desire does not have North American 3G, so that would be a dealbreaker for me personally.

the RAM makes no difference in my opinion. its virtually identical.

Thanks all
i already order my Nexus One

I already seen an review where the Desire was a little slower compared to the N1 because because of the sense ui. The reviewer said that the Sense ui in the HD mini was more fluid and the mini has an 600 mghz Qualcomm CPU/GPU. I can´t remember if it´s the first time that HTC puts its ui in an Android phone i know that they do that in Winmo phones since the Kayser so maybe it´s more optimized for this OS. But the reviewer didn´t tell also who many colors each cphone was using.

Tech9000 said:
Thanks for the fast response liam.lah
I mean if the the extra ram of the Desire RAM: 576 MB versus the 512 MB RAM of the Nexus will make a significant difference?
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't HTC often include the modems RAM in its total RAM. So the ram is actually the same. It makes sense. Why would HTC add 64 mb extra RAM it's just kind of weird, they would have to add a whole new chip for just 64 mb.

I already seen an review where the Desire was a little slower compared to the N1 because because of the sense ui. The reviewer said that the Sense ui in the HD mini was more fluid and the mini has an 600 mghz Qualcomm CPU/GPU. I can´t remember if it´s the first time that HTC puts its ui in an Android phone i know that they do that in Winmo phones since the Kayser so maybe it´s more optimized for this OS. But the reviewer didn´t tell also who many colors each cphone was using.

One thing to be aware of regarding the GN1 is that it actually ***IS*** an HTC phone, which means that the updates are STILL in the hands of HTC. Direct from the horse's mouth, google again screwed up and failed to insist that HTC hand over the full source code and specifications.
Just like HTC DREAM support was dropped prematurely, GN1 will suffer the exact same fate.

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Why would HTC add 64 mb extra RAM it's just kind of weird, they would have to add a whole new chip for just 64 mb.
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It does seem odd, especially since the 512MB RAM and FLASH of the N1 are both in a single chip, I don't know if that's true for the Desire too?
I was thinking that perhaps the additional 64MB was "bundled" in some other chip on the phone(s), but only enabled on the Desire?

mythamp said:
edit: the desire also looks alil uglier - in my opinion (the buttons at the bottom ruin the sleek look)
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Next to the Nexus One, the Desire looks like it was designed by those Volvo engineers canned in the 80's for making their cars so ugly!
Just kidding, the Desire is still a nice looking piece of harware, but I like the lines of the Nexis One better.
And yes, the N1 is a Dev phone, dirt simple to modify and updates will be available for it faster. Rooting the Desire so far is a lot more involved. (Paul @Modaco.com) just completed the task today for SOME of them.
The upside for Desire development is that it's likely to sell 25 times better than the N1, meaning that there are going to be plenty of people (including Paul) tinkering with it.
I don't think you can go wrong with either one, but my personal preference is still the N1 over anything currently available. In time, I am sure that will change.

lbcoder said:
One thing to be aware of regarding the GN1 is that it actually ***IS*** an HTC phone, which means that the updates are STILL in the hands of HTC. Direct from the horse's mouth, google again screwed up and failed to insist that HTC hand over the full source code and specifications.
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Unless you're the horse, I'd like to see the link to the horse's mouth.

Tech9000 said:
I already seen an review where the Desire was a little slower compared to the N1 because because of the sense ui. The reviewer said that the Sense ui in the HD mini was more fluid and the mini has an 600 mghz Qualcomm CPU/GPU. I can´t remember if it´s the first time that HTC puts its ui in an Android phone i know that they do that in Winmo phones since the Kayser so maybe it´s more optimized for this OS. But the reviewer didn´t tell also who many colors each cphone was using.
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Not the first for SenseUI in Android - only the first time in Eclair.

[Q] specs and lacks galaxy s vs galaxy s

Hi. As many of you I am undecided between the Desire HD and Galaxy S. I'd like to have some advices from you....these are my doubts:
1)there will be more rom support in future (both official producer roms and xda roms) for dhd or sgs? i know...it's difficult to say now, but If you see the number of threads of desire hd is a lot lower than sgs one, even if dhd is newer. This is a negative sign for dhd...
2)SGS has a more powerful GPU, but really in games and normal use there aren't great differences, rather sometimes dhd seems to be faster. Then shouldn't be so important to have the Hummingbird. Is this correct?
3)And even from the point of view of hardware...according to you what's the more interessant compromise between:
SGS: bluetooth 3, 6 axis accelerometer, front camera, superamoled, better battery, tv out
vs
DHD: faster 3G connection, dual flash led, 8 mp camera, more ram, dolby and srs, 4,3", better build material?? (are you sure that dhd lacks of 6 axis accelerometer?)
5)According to me samsung problems about gps and performance (without lag fix) are a very negative thing, because to use sgs performances i'm obliged to root the phone, to install the lag fix and others fix. Instead a positive thing for SGS is that maybe when nexus s comes out users could exploit its rom even for the galaxy, i think that the porting of that os should be easy saw that the hardware is the same.
6)However both htc and samsung announced that there will be the update to gingerbread...or not?
Then according to you what's the best compromise?dhd or sgs?
Sorry for my bad english. Thank you very much

Wait for the Galaxy S II

Dear friend SGS is better
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Would u suggest Incredible S ?? ( over Sensation?)

Hello guys, I'm here asking about your Incredible S, because I' m not 100% sure about buying it...
Esthetically I love it, the feeling of rubber it's wonderful: but I'm curious about how it's working this phone, opinion of people who use this phone everyday...
I would have already buy it, if it isn't that I've found Sensation for a difference of 80€.
Basically are u happy of this phone or u would throw out a window?? ( like me with my mega) a single core Vs a dual core is that much a difference???
Thank you.
p.s: rooting, flashing it's not a problem for me

Personally I love my incredible s...and the devs have been great! Screen is much better than the sensation but the dual core would be nice.. camera is also much better on the incredible s though...anyways I love my is!

i love my incs. the physicality of the phone is just what i wanted in a phone. great screen, great size, great feel. also, the dev support/interest is getting better by the day.
i imagine a dual core phone would be a little more snappy but also more battery hungry, but i can't say for certain since i don't have any experience with it. as far as single core phones go, you will not be disappointed.
ps battery life could be better but that's sense ui for ya. it's power hungry. i'm running miui and battery life has increased dramatically.
pps if you want a fair comparison, you would have to wait for someone who has tried both phones.

look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1218788
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1217136

if u opt for single core phone and better battery life .. you should go for Inc S .. if u need dual core for far more better performance u can shift to sensation or xperia arc s.....
but in my opinion Inc S gives a great competition for dual core phones being a single core phone.
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comparison
I bought both phones at the same time and the sensation just how can i put it just not sensational.the screen just didn't have any appeal to it unless you cranked up The brightness but even then didn't look that impressive.The sensation in every day use didn't just didn't feel as nice as the incredible s it was just laggy, I know software updates and custom roms can overcome this but the incredible s just felt snappier.
The camera on still shots on both phones seem very on par with each other but unless you take alot of video the incredible s takes some nice shots.
the overall feel of the incredlible s is nicer but for the size of the phone the sensation is a nice phone.
I actually had three phones to choose from and the other was the desire s and in the end it was a choice between the desire s and incredible s ,of which i chose the incredible s and i am very happy with choice..

Incredible s is more incredible than sensation by the amount of custom roms \m/
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I am extremely happy with my IS, best $270 I spent in a long time.

I also love my incredible s, with its curve back cover..and the vivid color of the screen..

iv had both twice started with IS than to sensation than Back to IS the IS is much better phone dosnt have the cutting edge but it dose it right

zukri90 said:
Incredible s is more incredible than sensation by the amount of custom roms \m/
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the sensation has the greatest dev support if you consider number of ROMs than any other HTC phone.It is also better in every aspect.
The fact is that the IS is a single core last gen Android device, if you choose Android and have the money, go with a dual core phone whether its a Sensation or a GSII or a GN.
If you consider single core devices then pick the IS if you want good dev support or pick the Arc S if you want amazing looks.The IS sadly didn't became too popular with the devs as dual core devices started popping up one month after its launch and in addition, it didn't brought any thing new to the table(a IS is simply a upgraded DHD)
On topic, no.There is no reason to pick the IS over a Sensation unless you're getting it for a very cheap price.
the IS was made to deliver what the users want and it does it job very well, it looks good, performs good and packs a bunch of features but now after 9 months of its launch, there are better options available.

I wouldn't suggest getting a HTC. I like my IS its just I don't like sense and when you install a custom rom the camera is alot worse which means you get trade offs each way which you shouldn't have to on a new phone.

hussainmushahid said:
the sensation has the greatest dev support if you consider number of ROMs than any other HTC phone.It is also better in every aspect.
The fact is that the IS is a single core last gen Android device, if you choose Android and have the money, go with a dual core phone whether its a Sensation or a GSII or a GN.
If you consider single core devices then pick the IS if you want good dev support or pick the Arc S if you want amazing looks.The IS sadly didn't became too popular with the devs as dual core devices started popping up one month after its launch and in addition, it didn't brought any thing new to the table(a IS is simply a upgraded DHD)
On topic, no.There is no reason to pick the IS over a Sensation unless you're getting it for a very cheap price.
the IS was made to deliver what the users want and it does it job very well, it looks good, performs good and packs a bunch of features but now after 9 months of its launch, there are better options available.
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You just took the word right out of my mouth.
@TS, i have both phones and i recommend you to get a sensation xe or xl, there is no reason for you to pick a sensation over incs if you want a good performance and display phone. Of course you can choose incs if you want good battery life, and it has nice custom roms as well.

Try both in the hand, that was the deciding factor for me, IS fits well in the hand and pocket, Sensation is big and clumsy.
Sensation has a larger screen and dual core. However IS has a better screen of decent size and feels plenty fast.
The stock UI is now the same.
IS has worse audio quality but neither is suitable for listening to music indoors.
Sensation will get ICS from HTC and Incredible S will not, if that is important for you, get the Sensation.

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hussainmushahid said:
the sensation has the greatest dev support if you consider number of ROMs than any other HTC phone.It is also better in every aspect.
The fact is that the IS is a single core last gen Android device, if you choose Android and have the money, go with a dual core phone whether its a Sensation or a GSII or a GN.
If you consider single core devices then pick the IS if you want good dev support or pick the Arc S if you want amazing looks.The IS sadly didn't became too popular with the devs as dual core devices started popping up one month after its launch and in addition, it didn't brought any thing new to the table(a IS is simply a upgraded DHD)
On topic, no.There is no reason to pick the IS over a Sensation unless you're getting it for a very cheap price.
the IS was made to deliver what the users want and it does it job very well, it looks good, performs good and packs a bunch of features but now after 9 months of its launch, there are better options available.
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the IS has a better quality screen, much much better colour reproduction and better viewing angles (thats a fact)
the IS for most people fits much better in your band than the bigger and rounded sensation,
the IS has rotating buttons that the sensation dose not
the IS has a better back camera for pictures (fact)
the IS has a better front camera , higher res (fact)
the main reason the IS is better is because of the screen (you know the part you use every times you use your phone)
the sensation has dual core which means 1080p recording (quality isnt there tho)
the sensation has much better dev support no question
the sensation has .3" more screen and a higher resolution (qhd) which isnt that great for web pages because 4.3 inches still makes you zoom

To me, give IS due core while keep everything else unchanged, then I will have a device which is simply, perfect.
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using XDA App

jul644 said:
the IS has a better quality screen, much much better colour reproduction and better viewing angles (thats a fact)
the IS for most people fits much better in your band than the bigger and rounded sensation,
the IS has rotating buttons that the sensation dose not
the IS has a better back camera for pictures (fact)
the IS has a better front camera , higher res (fact)
the main reason the IS is better is because of the screen (you know the part you use every times you use your phone)
the sensation has dual core which means 1080p recording (quality isnt there tho)
the sensation has much better dev support no question
the sensation has .3" more screen and a higher resolution (qhd) which isnt that great for web pages because 4.3 inches still makes you zoom
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1.The Sensation uses two screens, one made by SHARP and the other by Acer, now some users like the SHARP one while others like the Acer one so its their personal opinion.The IS uses the Acer one and the pixel density is also higher on the Sensation.If your main requirement is a good screen then SAMOLED+ is the way to go.
2.They both fit perfectly well(I've used them both) its not like that Sensation is a Galaxy Note.
3.Rotating buttons, what's so special ? they don't even work in AOSP ROMs.
4.IS is slightly better when it comes to camera, you can compare it using the gsmarena compare tool.The reason behind this is because the Sensation compresses even more pictures than the IS.But then again, choosing a single core phone over a dual core phone just for a slightly better camera is not feasible.
Nevertheless HTC sucks at cameras due to excessive noise compression, even my N900 took better pictures than my IS, its better to get a Samsung if you want a good camera.
5.I haven't used the front cam so cant say.MP don't make much difference when it comes to quality but I can expect VGA to suck.
6.No, the IS is better in no ways compared to a Sensation except for its battery but one can always do with a extended one as all Android phones suck in the battery department.The IS isn't priced good too, I can get a Galaxy S or a Nexus S for $100 cheaper.
7.Dual core phones are better in performance than single core phones and are future proof, the IS won't live a long life.Plus the Sensation just like almost every other dual core phone will be getting ICS officially.The IS wont.
8.Well nothing to comment on the developer support
9.Having a higher resolution is always better as there is more sharper text and you can fit more in the screen.WVGA is getting old now with qHD and 720p phones coming out.

IMO, if you're on a budget get the Incredible S.
If you're looking for a dual-core phone, I suggest getting Samsung's dual-core offerings. I have both IncS and Sensation, and frankly I don't see the performance difference between them. Right now anyway.

There are little differences you can see between single vs dual and even duo vs quad.
The Transformer performs half a second (500 milliseconds) slower than the Prime in heavy JavaScript browsing and we're talking about a 2core to 4core and 400 MHz core increase.
More cores never means faster or double speeds in any life situation unless the software is written for it.. 97% of the apps on the market are probably written for single core instructions.
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They are similar phones but the main difference apart from sense version is the screen res and size. The sensations higher res screen is nice but the incredible has a more vibrant and better viewibg angles. From day to day use, I never notice any benefits of dual core
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Whats beter sgs3 or one x

Whats a beter phone sgs3 or htc one x?

How this question is connected with Optimus Black?

the optimus black is the best!

just played with my friends one x and i gotta say its impressive eventho its not rooted yet (pfft) =P
but i think it dosent have an sd slot and s3 does??? i dunno design wise i would def get the one x over the s3...... but i hate sense =P but thats not a biggie hahhahahaha.... but quad core i dunno... are we even gonna really need it say in the next 3-4 years?? dualcore is good enough even for ICS, heck even our OB single core is zippy enough... (look at the awesomeness of zeus/ marvel)
ive always had this minor doubt about battery life on multiple cores also i mean yes eventho the workload on each core is reduced so = less battery drain (theoretically) but youre still ultimately powering up 4 + 1 cores... and thats gotta add up to sth right????
i think when the time comes for a recontract i would still keep my OB cos well its just sexy and the ppl here are nice! =)

you again and your .... questions , you are here to stress the DEV`s and OB users ?

explor3r3 said:
you again and your .... questions , you are here to stress the DEV`s and OB users ?
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Nope but im looking for a new phone.
Maby i buy a new phone if the summer vacation is finishd

kind a dumb to ask such question here..
this section is especially for the OB, offcourse you knew that..
i guess there aren't many people here with such phones..

Those both are good...
but OB isn't bad ataLL..!! Thats why we are all here to make Perfect...
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a quick comparison:
**************** HTC ONE x **********************Galaxy s III******
Screen size ******4.7 inches ************************ 4.8 inches******
*************(~312 ppi pixel density)********** (~306 ppi pixel density)**
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Protection *******Corning Gorilla Glass*************Corning Gorilla Glass**
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RAM ************* 1 GB RAM ********************** 1 GB RAM*******
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Cam**************** 8 MP ************************* 8 MP*********
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Front Cam **********1.3 MP ************************* 1.9 MP********
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OS ****************ICS **************************** ICS**********
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CPU************* Quad-core 1.5 GHz************* Quad-core 1.4 GHz***
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So i can say both are nearly the same specs, but the Galaxy came with some new features not in One X such as ( S-Voice natural language commands and dictation - Smart Stay eye tracking - Dropbox (50 GB storage) - Image/video editor )
But ONE X has the Beats Audio
but for me ill go for ONE X cuz am an HTC fan (having HTC Sesation XE)

Yes, how come it is here? Since galaxy s 3 not even out (Or it is?) idk

foggydisaster said:
Yes, how come it is here? Since galaxy s 3 not even out (Or it is?) idk
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Galaxy is out since yesterday but will be avalible end of may

kaassaus said:
Galaxy is out since yesterday but will be avalible end of may
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Oooooo well in my country it willbe available near end of june or so xD anyway i didnt know it out

This post isnt related to OB!!
But For performance get gs3
For dedign and beats audio get oneX
But bear in mind: the hd front facing camera of gs3
S-beam blah blah
And that beats like audio can be achieved using equalizer
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NONE!!!!NONE OF THEM ARE GREAT...take my word on that...the BEST CELL CURRENTLY on the Market are GALAXY S2, XPERIA S AND HTC ONE "S" and maybe the Galaxy Note. BTW, my BESTEST BEST cell is the vintage HTC HD2. therez nothing like it. one of a kind
quad core is a gimmick. NO ONE NEEDS a quadcore (tegra's is "penta core" i beleive??) cells for now.
it is turning out to be like the megapixel gimmick of the digicam market.
most of what 95% users need is a single core 1.3/1.4 Ghz Processor and 512 MB RAM.
u tell me WHY should i get a quad core?? even if i DO get money to buy one, i'll go in for the dual core snapdragons instead of the quadcore tegras or Exynos'.
so, STOP riding the gimmick and if you are DRASTIC in getting a new cell, get the S2 or the One S.
(better get the S2, it's got a HUGE dev pool & is still good enough to keep the user satisfied for the next year and a half )
hope i don't get flamed
sorry if i bother anyone. was just sharing my views

[Q] Worth getting?

I currently have a Galaxy Ace 2 but I have the urge to get something a little more powerful and I noticed the Razr i is quite cheap at £159.99.
A few questions though, given that the device is single core, does everything work really smooth? How do high-intensity games play?
Is Skype compatible?
Many thanks

cined said:
I currently have a Galaxy Ace 2 but I have the urge to get something a little more powerful and I noticed the Razr i is quite cheap at £159.99.
A few questions though, given that the device is single core, does everything work really smooth? How do high-intensity games play?
Is Skype compatible?
Many thanks
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For the actual price you won't get anything better:
- the atom single core is fast and power efficient, the phone is really responsive (for an android phone)
- huge battery (2000 mAh)
- a really nice metal frame chassis with kevlar application on the back. And it's a really compact phone, almost the same form factor as an iPhone 5.
- the screen is not really competetive with the new high end full HD displays, nevertheless it's got really vivid but no too overpowered colours and the pentile matrix is only visible if you really want to see it
- multicolor notification LED
- Android is only slightly themed by Motorola. Anyhow the Motorola icons are ugly as hell and you will have to unlock the bootloader to achive root and flash a themed mod to get back the plain AOSP style.
- Skype is compatible. Allmost all (non high-end game) apps are compatible today.
In fact there still are non compatible games. Look up the thread in Mods & Apps for well working games.
In conclusion there are of course better phones on the market, but they are all huge like frying pans and are not available at this price point.

hypophysis said:
For the actual price you won't get anything better:
- the atom single core is fast and power efficient, the phone is really responsive (for an android phone)
- huge battery (2000 mAh)
- a really nice metal frame chassis with kevlar application on the back. And it's a really compact phone, almost the same form factor as an iPhone 5.
- the screen is not really competetive with the new high end full HD displays, nevertheless it's got really vivid but no too overpowered colours and the pentile matrix is only visible if you really want to see it
- multicolor notification LED
- Android is only slightly themed by Motorola. Anyhow the Motorola icons are ugly as hell and you will have to unlock the bootloader to achive root and flash a themed mod to get back the plain AOSP style.
- Skype is compatible. Allmost all (non high-end game) apps are compatible today.
In fact there still are non compatible games. Look up the thread in Mods & Apps for well working games.
In conclusion there are of course better phones on the market, but they are all huge like frying pans and are not available at this price point.
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Thank you for the informative reply.
The main thing I wanted to know is wether it'd be worth upgrading from the Ace 2.

cined said:
Thank you for the informative reply.
The main thing I wanted to know is wether it'd be worth upgrading from the Ace 2.
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Can anyone else offer any advice please?

cined said:
Can anyone else offer any advice please?
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Try compare ace 2 and razr i on gsmarena.com
there you can see the differece. And in my opinion, the razr i would be a great upgrade for you!

Look, I play all sorts on mine other than NFS most wanted which for me is the only lagging game. The 2ghz processor is brilliant and has multi threading and the phone its self is practically bulletproof haha I drop mine all the time and its still mint. You don't need to ask about upgrading, just do it. There isn't a chance you'll regret it. Its miles ahead of an ace 2
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