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http://blog.gsmarena.com/iphone-4-now-plays-1080p-videos-easily-does-some-xviddivx-magic-too/
Seems like some people managed to play 1080p on iPhone 4.
SGS has almost the same CPU with better GPU and option for overclock.
What is the reason that is preventing us from playing 1080p? Not good enough app or something else?
1080p on a 4" screen? no thank you.
We just seems to be needing a good codec to play 1080p. So it should just be a software limitation unless the GPU is capped at 720p!
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1080p on a 4" screen? no thank you.
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I would never watch 1080p on 4'' screen (even though some people would)
I'm just curios about the hardware.
@Prankey,
I guess SGX 540 can play 1080p if SGX 535 can.
I'll make a wild guess here:
iOS has all the software needed for full hardware acceleration while Android don't.
How is this a development related question?
And I thought galaxy can play 1080 without problems (didnt try though, as its very stupid).
so iPhone display is 960 x 640 pixels?
1080P is 1920 x 1080 pixels
unless it can output HDMI, seems pretty pointless to me.
The screen resolution is 800x480 anyway so the extra resolution does not benefit you at all. It's just a minor convenience to avoid converting the video but you're wasting battery power to decode the video and a lot of space. 720p is enough of a battery and space waster.
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I'll make a wild guess here:
iOS has all the software needed for full hardware acceleration while Android don't.
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1080p isn't even listed as a file which can be played. You can't even upload it via iTunes, so there is no official hardware acceleration built in for 1080p.
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How is this a development related question?
And I thought galaxy can play 1080 without problems (didnt try though, as its very stupid).
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I guess it is a development question, because it may be related with codecs, drivers, etc.
But no, it can't. I have tried it, even though I'm not about to watch full HD on my SGS
miker71 said:
so iPhone display is 960 x 640 pixels?
1080P is 1920 x 1080 pixels
unless it can output HDMI, seems pretty pointless to me.
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We can use microUSB to HDMI and we have DLNA. So it would be useful to us. Anyway, as I've already said my interest is about hardware capabilities not watching full HD on my phone.
Maddmatt said:
The screen resolution is 800x480 anyway so the extra resolution does not benefit you at all. It's just a minor convenience to avoid converting the video but you're wasting battery power to decode the video and a lot of space. 720p is enough of a battery and space waster.
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You still have to convert the video though for these devices still cause h.264 codec support for mobile devices don't support all of what the codec can do. It's also wasted bit rate as well. It's better to have a lower resolution video with a decent bit rate then it is to have a video with a massive resolution but not enough of a bit rate to smooth out artifacts. this resolution race for videos on mobile phones is a tad stupid.
Rock player plays 1080p for me.
The Video I tried was a bit choppy though but acceptable.
(I guess about 15-18fps). I only tried one Video wich I accidentally loaded on my device.
As far as I now Rock player does not use any GPU acceleration though pretty impressive what this little CPU is capable of.
Definatly plays full hd better then my atom netbook.
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agree it's simply over kill
all the extra processing is wasted on a 4" screen
actually iphone4 is only 3.5" not even 4"
720p is more than enough on the 4"
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1080p isn't even listed as a file which can be played. You can't even upload it via iTunes, so there is no official hardware acceleration built in for 1080p.
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I wasn't talking about hardware accelerated 1080p playback. I was talking about how everything in iOS is adapted to support as much of the hardware features as possible, while Android is not adapted to support the SGS hardware in any other way than Samsung just tossing in (semi)working drivers.
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1080p isn't even listed as a file which can be played. You can't even upload it via iTunes, so there is no official hardware acceleration built in for 1080p.
I guess it is a development question, because it may be related with codecs, drivers, etc.
But no, it can't. I have tried it, even though I'm not about to watch full HD on my SGS
We can use microUSB to HDMI and we have DLNA. So it would be useful to us. Anyway, as I've already said my interest is about hardware capabilities not watching full HD on my phone.
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And what format have you tried yo play it in?
jam3sjam3s said:
http://blog.gsmarena.com/iphone-4-now-plays-1080p-videos-easily-does-some-xviddivx-magic-too/
Seems like some people managed to play 1080p on iPhone 4.
SGS has almost the same CPU with better GPU and option for overclock.
What is the reason that is preventing us from playing 1080p? Not good enough app or something else?
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1/ there is no point, resolution-wise
2/ with iphone there is a VERY limited range of file formats you CAN actually play, so you will spend half your life converting to a format that apple can control. Most my 1080p movies are mkv format, a format that works on Galaxy S but not on iphone. All my SD movies are Divx and Xvid, again, not compatible with iphone.
Mark.
Well actually we can! Rockplayer can do it so please stop spamming this forum!
You apple fanboy
jodue said:
just ****ing stupid! 1080p on 800x480, wtf? even 720p is higher than the screen-resolution! also a movie in 1080p has ~10Gb which would almost fill my 16gb card. STUPID and completely SENSELESS!
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well apparently the people with iphone4 are too rich and too <insert what you think here> to care about that.
they probably think they have super wireless and can stream a 1080p movie and watch it over the air
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they probably think they have super wireless and can stream a 1080p movie and watch it over the air
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And why not? 802.11n is more than enough for that...
Anything that can be done on the iphone 4 can be done on the galaxy s, just needs the right software to be made.
The only difference between the iphone 4 and the GS is the software, the screen, and the galaxy s having one generation newer gpu
Anyway what's the point in this? sd cards have a 4gb filesize limit, 1080p would waste so much battery for no benefit over a 720p file
technical spec yes
real life usage, not so great
wireless N is what i use for my home teather, yes it "works" but load time is horrible, as well as the random cut offs, then waiting for the load time again.... it's a pain in the aussie
it's much more convenient to first copy the entire movie into the hard drive via wireless N, then watch it
but that defeats the entire purpose of streaming a movie
Ok I'm really frustrated with this.
On 2.1 eclair the youtube app only streams in HQ, not HD.
I updated to 2.2 and even installed the newer YT ported over from gingerbread and it STILL only streams in HQ, not HD.
WHY??? Why does google not want us to stream in HD? YT is like my favourite app yet you can't stream in HD even over WIFI. Even the iphone 4 can stream youtube in HD.
Second of all, what's with people confusing HD and HQ? Looking through posts online people seem to mistakenly say you can stream in HD when in reality they mean HQ. Do people not see the difference? It's night and day....
of course it can
just click the HD button and it will display in HD if the stream is has a higher resolution file to display
is there something I'm missing then?
I've tried many videos that have HD (on computer) on my phone and it's only HQ.
THe quality difference is noticeable.
Because it makes no sense streaming in hd on 800x480 screen unless you have set-up for hd tv output. And as far I know your galaxy sh*t ( ;-) ) can't do that. And if it could, the YT app would allow you to do that.
There is no difference between 480p and 720p on your phone. Go ahead and try it, download an yt video in both variants and see! Apparently the only difference would be in 1080p, where the audio quality would be greater, but practically, just a waste of battery and server time and... everything.
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And ye forgot, even then the videos should be optimized for that, the channel should be YouTube partner and ye, optimized for mobile. I think some videos shot in 720p with smartphones and directly uploaded to yt allow that.
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in the vibrant forum, they hacked a Froyo version of the new YouTube app, you can try that and see if you get better quality.
aside that, there are many other better 3rd party apps that can download & stream video from youtube site on HD
just type in the name of the video you want to watch and it goes straight in HD
like Tube-Mate for YouTube
i made that as my default youtube app
there is also another one that also always plays/downloads only HD versions like Tube-Mate for YouTube, but forgot the name of that other app
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Because it makes no sense streaming in hd on 800x480 screen unless you have set-up for hd tv output. And as far I know your galaxy sh*t ( ;-) ) can't do that. And if it could, the YT app would allow you to do that.
There is no difference between 480p and 720p on your phone. Go ahead and try it, download an yt video in both variants and see! Apparently the only difference would be in 1080p, where the audio quality would be greater, but practically, just a waste of battery and server time and... everything.
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Umm no.
I'm not one for all the technical details on what the phone can or can't display but there is a CLEAR difference when it comes to streaming youtube. HD vids I load on my phone are CRISP. So-called HD on youtube when streamed on the SGS is not even near crisp, while on the iphone (my sister has one) it is crisp.
A VERY good example is this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdtejCR413c
using the youtube app on the phone, if you search up "lebron commercial" and stream it in "HQ" note the quality. Then use Tube Mate another app to download the video in 720p quality and watch it on your video player.
HUGE difference in quality. It's noticeable.
I'm sorry but I don't understand how people can not notice the quality difference. HQ and HD is a big difference. I've never streamed an HD youtube video and had it appear sharp on my phone. The words HQ appear at the top and the lower quality is definitely noticeable.
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in the vibrant forum, they hacked a Froyo version of the new YouTube app, you can try that and see if you get better quality.
aside that, there are many other better 3rd party apps that can download & stream video from youtube site on HD
just type in the name of the video you want to watch and it goes straight in HD
like Tube-Mate for YouTube
i made that as my default youtube app
there is also another one that also always plays/downloads only HD versions like Tube-Mate for YouTube, but forgot the name of that other app
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hey just wondering, I used Tube-Mate but even when streaming that lebron commercial it only shows up as HQ, not HD.
If I download it with Tube-mate in 720p and watch it in video player, THEN it's in HD....
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Umm no.
I'm not one for all the technical details on what the phone can or can't display but there is a CLEAR difference when it comes to streaming youtube. HD vids I load on my phone are CRISP. So-called HD on youtube when streamed on the SGS is not even near crisp, while on the iphone (my sister has one) it is crisp.
A VERY good example is this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdtejCR413c
using the youtube app on the phone, if you search up "lebron commercial" and stream it in "HQ" note the quality. Then use Tube Mate another app to download the video in 720p quality and watch it on your video player.
HUGE difference in quality. It's noticeable.
I'm sorry but I don't understand how people can not notice the quality difference. HQ and HD is a big difference. I've never streamed an HD youtube video and had it appear sharp on my phone. The words HQ appear at the top and the lower quality is definitely noticeable.
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This is a function of the Youtube app itself and NOT something merely SGS related. Want to get mad about it...Write google. This occurs on all android phones running the Youtube app...
video quality difference is definitely there
the problem comes with the 3G/3.5G speeds
HD plays fine on WiFi, but not on 3.5G (HSPDA)
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This is a function of the Youtube app itself and NOT something merely SGS related. Want to get mad about it...Write google. This occurs on all android phones running the Youtube app...
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I realize that. I did ask why wont google let us stream in HD.
AllGamer said:
video quality difference is definitely there
the problem comes with the 3G/3.5G speeds
HD plays fine on WiFi, but not on 3.5G (HSPDA)
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HD plays fine on WIFI for you?
seriously?
errr I can't possibly have a worse YT app then yours, mine is 2.0.26.
The button says HQ, not HD at the top of the video.
As mentioned, if I stream it's high quality, but not sharp.
Use Tube-Mate to download same vid in 720p, then watch in video player = HD quality and very very sharp.
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I realize that. I did ask why wont google let us stream in HD.
HD plays fine on WIFI for you?
seriously?
errr I can't possibly have a worse YT app then yours, mine is 2.0.26.
The button says HQ, not HD at the top of the video.
As mentioned, if I stream it's high quality, but not sharp.
Use Tube-Mate to download same vid in 720p, then watch in video player = HD quality and very very sharp.
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Well it's probably due to the carriers. If you were a carrier with a 3G network would you want to stream 480p or 720p video to phones with 480p resolutions??
It makes sense for the carriers, so it probably made sense to Google as well.
There are also QOS (Quality Of Service) issues to consider. It's safe to say that google and your carrier cannot reliably guarantee that you could have the bandwidth via 3g/3.5g to always and reliably be able to stream HD video. Users in this scenario would likely make the mistake of blaming the carrier, google and youtube for making a crap system and crap app, rather than making the reasoned leap that perhaps the network isn't always going to be up to the task. It's best to impose a limitation few would complain out, to guarantee more reliable service and a more reliable perception of that service for everyone.
In my experience the difference in quality between streamed and directly downloaded (and higher resolution) video is minimal, and usually dependent on the source material as well as how old the youtube video is..
But you can directly download them with apps like Tube Mate....so I'm unsure of the problem, other than it merely being a lack of patience. But if patience is the issue(due to the amount of time it takes), it'd likely have trouble streaming in a timely manner anyway.
yeah I'm aware of the amount of bandwidth required to stream HD over 3G but that's not my concern. My concern is over WIFI because I can't seem to stream in HD over WIFI. There are people here saying they can stream HD through WIFI (not sure if it's more confusion with HQ and HD) but there DEFINITELY is no option to stream in HD through wifi for my youtube app, which is the latest one (the eclaire 2.1 app wasn't able to either).
I can only stream in HQ, not HD. The quality diff is noticeable. That lebron james commercial I posted is a very good example. Just dl it with tube-mate in 720p and watch it. Compare the quality with streaming the same video in "HQ" on the youtube app...big difference. I don't get why we can't even stream in HD through WIFI?
I also don't get why some people are saying they CAN stream in HD....
Unless for some reason my youtube app is gimped (highly doubt it), these people are still mistaking HQ for HD...
and yes the whole point of youtube is to stream, so of course I would want to stream in HD. Why would I want to have to search up the video, then download it, then watch it. That's not how youtube is supposed to work....
again bandwidth/speed isn't an issue since I'm on WIFI
sorry just had to get this off my chest.
Just an update.
I found what appears to be the best app to stream HD youtube vids.
It's JetVD, available for free from the market.
It streams 720p PERFECTLY. That lebron commercial above is crystal clear.
If you choose mp4 high quality, you get the same quality as what the youtube app streams. You can also download if you want.
I love the YT interface and being able to view my account, my favourites, see related videos...etc.
I guess I'l have to use both and switch to JetVD to stream 720p.
Shame for some reason Google decided to gimp the YT app (even on WIFI).
+1 for JetVD
Been using it since Hero days, used to let me download while streaming another video, or download multiple videos at once, but the most recent updates are missing this useful ability.
Still, its free and works great for viewing HD and saving them to ur phone for offline use as well!
i have jetVD installed too
still can't decide which one is better
I tried rock player lite, but it doesn't play hd vids very smoothly; I transcoded Star Trek 2009 to mp4, and its very jerky and doesn't play smooth..
Any other video players that you guys might recommend?
thanks so much; lovin' this damn thing!!!
atomb said:
The best I have used so far is MoboPlayer (http://moboplayer.com/moboplayer_en.html) You have to use the medium version since the Xoom doesn't support Neon. This is the only player I could get to play 720p video smoothly. Hope that helps and if you find something better let me know!
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I tried this and it works the best out of all i have tried. Make sure you get the medium version and not the Neon version.
unfortunately, mobo player does not recognize .m4v files, which is how I have saved my ripped Blu rays..
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unfortunately, mobo player does not recognize .m4v files, which is how I have saved my ripped Blu rays..
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tried renaming them as mp4? usually does the trick for me if i recall. the two formats are almost identical.
I have had no trouble using the stock video player to play 720p videos encoded into a mp4 file. I would go that route and use the hardware decoding
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tried renaming them as mp4? usually does the trick for me if i recall. the two formats are almost identical.
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thanks; doing that, and encoding 720p instead of 1080p seemed to fix it!
Any news on the android version of VLC??
wase4711 said:
thanks; doing that, and encoding 720p instead of 1080p seemed to fix it!
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The Xoom can easily handle 720p videos. I haven't tested 1080. It all depends on how you encode the video.
From what I've seen on the threads and in personal experience, there are really only two viable players: the Android native video player, and RockPlayer. Between these two, you should be able to enjoy all your video, provided you have encoded them correctly.
I hate converting videos, thats why i use mobo. Its played all my videos great. Much better than Rock played, vplayer advance same spot.
found one!
Vital player will play everything for me, including 1080p videos that I have encoded with Handbrake..
Loving this thing!!
rockplayer and the stock video player handles blu rays i convert with handbrake very well
I tried different players and playback quality is mostly the same. Perhaps minor, but I like the interface in mVideoPlayer - posters, IMDB links etc.
I have said it before and Ill say it again. Your best bet for video is to get PLEX. As of this writing it is still not Honeycomb ready. As a beta tester working with the devs, I can tell you that its playing video like a champ on my Xoom and a release to public should be coming very soon.
what good is telling us that here if WE can't download it yet?
you should wait until its released before you keep posting that here..
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what good is telling us that here if WE can't download it yet?
you should wait until its released before you keep posting that here..
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Two reasons really.
Lets face facts that the majority of us here own a Xoom because we are Android nerds and already own a Android phone. So purchasing Plex on your phone will give you access to it on your Xoom when its available. In truth you can install it on your Xoom already, the video just does not work in the current release.
Two there is no quicker way to know about its updated release for Honeycomb compatibility then to have it already installed and letting the market inform you.
Lastly this is a community page and a community OS, so keeping others informed is kind of the way things work. If you have a problem with someone telling you that there will soon be an app released that will do X, but you cant have it yet, mumble quietly to yourself, but keep it to yourself.
ritalin said:
I have said it before and Ill say it again. Your best bet for video is to get PLEX. As of this writing it is still not Honeycomb ready. As a beta tester working with the devs, I can tell you that its playing video like a champ on my Xoom and a release to public should be coming very soon.
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Does it play local files yet or all still streamed from server? Also, any clue of an ETA?
dch921 said:
I have had no trouble using the stock video player to play 720p videos encoded into a mp4 file. I would go that route and use the hardware decoding
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Do you mean using stock player in hardware decoding mode?
How do you do this? I can't find the options for the stock player.
Thanks
QQPlayer is free and doesnt want any special permissions
Hi,
I use QQPlayer. It plays everything I have thrown at it and it does not need any special permissions to install.
-TheHoovie
I'm still using Mobo. I just played a 1080p Meet the Fockers avi I got from a torrent site over HDMI on my big TV and everything was perfect.
patass said:
I'm still using Mobo. I just played a 1080p Meet the Fockers avi I got from a torrent site over HDMI on my big TV and everything was perfect.
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Obviously wasn't high profile or it would have stuttered without sound.
They'd be great to test setting up my system.
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/technology/home-theater/dolby-digital-plus-download.html
The audio doesn't play at all on the CC though. Any reason for this? We know it supports DD+
generationgav said:
They'd be great to test setting up my system.
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/technology/home-theater/dolby-digital-plus-download.html
The audio doesn't play at all on the CC though. Any reason for this? We know it supports DD+
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No we don't! The only multi-channel audio supported by the Chromecast is AAC:
Supported Media for Google Chromecast.
Restorer said:
No we don't! The only multi-channel audio supported by the Chromecast is AAC:
Supported Media for Google Chromecast.
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Not entirely true....The Device itself is actually quite capable of spitting out Dolby Surround and does so using the Netflix app.....
The Issue is two fold....
1 - Dolby requires you to license the codec to be able to use it...Netflix did, Google did not....
2 - Netflix operates outside the Google "PROTECTED" Sandbox that all CCast SDK built apps operate in.And that allows it to operate without the usual restrictions imposed by Google on the hardware.
So it's not the device that is incapable it is really how Google has implemented using it.
And I'm not even sure that a Developer could buy a Dolby License and get it to work inside that sandbox either....
Google needs to add this capability by buying a license for Dolby and incorporating it into the Sandbox so other apps can benefit from it as well.
And truth is I wouldn't expect something like that until CCast II is announced. Lets hope it is announced at the next Google I/O
Nice post @Asphyx ! Great info, didn't know that one. Would be great to get plex to play my DD+ movies
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Nice post @Asphyx ! Great info, didn't know that one. Would be great to get plex to play my DD+ movies
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I'm no audio freak but I do appreciate decent surround sound and, to these old ears at least, Plex does a great job of transcoding DTS, DTS-HD MA and DD (AC3 ) tracks to the AAC 5.1 that the Chromecast will accept.
I haven't tried personally but I wasn't aware Plex doesn't accept DD+ soundtracks for transcoding to the CC. Hopefully, Asphyx might enlighten us on this one too?
It accepts DD+ but will remix it to PCM, just like it does for DTS HD. Hell, Plex Home Theater doesn't even support DD+ at the moment.
I despise this downmix too. It plays at a much lower volume with half the dynamic range that DD+ has.
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abuttino said:
It accepts DD+ but will remix it to PCM, just like it does for DTS HD. Hell, Plex Home Theater doesn't even support DD+ at the moment.
I despise this downmix too. It plays at a much lower volume with half the dynamic range that DD+ has.
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Ah, so is your quibble more that DD+ is a such big jump up from AC3 that you don't want to revert to that level rather than that Plex messes up?
I am not familiar with DD+ but that is certainly the case (even to my tired old ears) with the lossless HD formats. I never really expected the CC to be able to handle these and Plex does a decent enough job with the few DTS-HD MA tracks I have tried. I do have a wired route to my amp via XBMC and tend to use that for the few rips I have with HD sound but the CC has the huge advantage of being so much more convenient to access :laugh:.
I've always assumed DD+ was something from back in the HD-DVD days? Is it still used much? Where does it sit IYO in the great scheme of multi-channel audio formats: let's say PCM stereo=2 and lossless HD (DTS-HD Master and Dolby TrueHD)=9. Where do your ears rank AC3, DTS, DTS-HD, DD+,
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Ah, so is your quibble more that DD+ is a such big jump up from AC3 that you don't want to revert to that level rather than that Plex messes up?
I am not familiar with DD+ but that is certainly the case (even to my tired old ears) with the lossless HD formats. I never really expected the CC to be able to handle these and Plex does a decent enough job with the few DTS-HD MA tracks I have tried. I do have a wired route to my amp via XBMC and tend to use that for the few rips I have with HD sound but the CC has the huge advantage of being so much more convenient to access :laugh:.
I've always assumed DD+ was something from back in the HD-DVD days? Is it still used much? Where does it sit IYO in the great scheme of multi-channel audio formats: let's say PCM stereo=2 and lossless HD (DTS-HD Master and Dolby TrueHD)=9. Where do your ears rank AC3, DTS, DTS-HD, DD+,
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Yes, I am certain that AC3 is a big jump from any downmix.
When I play HD-DVD on Plex, it always starts with me increasing the volume about 20 db.. PCM has always been quite a loser in my eyes. DTS or DD has always been the winner. No matter what I am watching, it is always better to have at least one of these tracks. I am unsure of the difference between LPCM and PCM, but I believe it is the same thing in principal. The few disney movies I have with LPCM (Cars, Pirates of the Caribbean 1, 2 and 3) have a better soundtrack than what I hear when downmixed DD+ to PCM.
I can't really boast about my system, it's an 82" ISF and THX calibrated DLP, Pioneer amp, some awesome Inifity towers, Infinity Center and a super rich Velodyne subwoofer. Sounds awesome but, it's still what I'd call a budget system.. Waiting to get into a house I own for the McIntosh stuff
With respect to my system; Over the weekend, my son and I watched "The Amazing Spiderman 2" at theaters on an unfocused AMC Theaters projector. My system completely blew that theater away. Other than a couple effects in the surround channel, it wasn't candy to the ears like I expected it to be. Sony usually uses SDDS and not DD or DTS for theaters.
However, I digress, other than a heavy bass track, DTS has no advantages over DD. They both have splendid dynamic range.
PlexHT is going to get DD+ and other neat audio additions soon enough, but that's only for PlexHT as this thread describes.. So, I guess I am a little off topic and I am just rambling
Restorer said:
I'm no audio freak but I do appreciate decent surround sound and, to these old ears at least, Plex does a great job of transcoding DTS, DTS-HD MA and DD (AC3 ) tracks to the AAC 5.1 that the Chromecast will accept.
I haven't tried personally but I wasn't aware Plex doesn't accept DD+ soundtracks for transcoding to the CC. Hopefully, Asphyx might enlighten us on this one too?
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Plex will transcode DD+. DHT, AC3 and pretty much any codec FFMPEG is capable of reading...But it usually selects AAC as the target output which the CCast sends as a PCM or LPCM stream to the receiver.
However FFMPEG has had some issues with some versions where it would get the tracks in the wrong place leaving some with no Back or Center Channel. I think most of that has been corrected recently but not sure.
As for the Volume issues you usually lose some volume for the sake of safety and not going over level on a transcode/encode.
In analog to digital work environment there are usually Bars and Tone that is supposed to allow you to set levels properly and be sure that no audio will be too hot for digitization as no audio that follows should be higher than the tone itself...But it's only as good a system as the guy who made the Original.
None of that exists in a digital file to file conversion. So what happens is during the encode it does Audio Leveling to make the loudest audio be good and bases the master volume based on that top mark respectively. Action movies are the worst offenders due to the difference in dynamics from Spoken Word to Action sounds.
AAC when transcoded to properly should be just as good as the Dolby is...It's the same audio the only difference is it is decoded and distinct in AAC but encoded and requires decoding by a Dolby Decoder when it's DHT or DD+. Whichthe transcoder is doing for you when it creates AAC.
The key to good sound is to really analyze the source your transcoding and really tweak the transcoding settings to optimal...
Since in Plex the server is doing the analyzing and the Hardware and source varies so much they tend to stick to transcoder settings that are SAFE FOR ALL as opposed to what is the best for any particular file.
In a situation ike Plex you really should do manual transcoding for each file before you add it to the Library. Then the server doesnt need to do it and you get the best output for each content.
If you find one where the Audio is low you can boost it and re-encode it...
I'd rather play it in MPC-HC. Going through and re-encoding almost 1TB of data isn't going to happen
Thanks for the explanation though
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abuttino said:
I'd rather play it in MPC-HC. Going through and re-encoding almost 1TB of data isn't going to happen
Thanks for the explanation though
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I fully understand and agree....I have much more than that myself which was all encoded in MP4/H.264/AAC and MP3 for Android playback (worked for CCast as well) but since then I have decided I really prefer the MKV container with H.264 video and Multitrack Audio (One Stereo and one for Commentary (AAC or MP3), One Surround (AAC or Dolby) and Subtitle track (en) as my preferred Library format.
It would be very hard to impossible for me to re-encode my current library to get what I want...Especially since much of my library is missing the pieces I want included (like Commentary, Multitracks and Subtitles).
So I'm taking it one collection at a time (I'm working on Aliens right now) and re-ripping from Blue Ray to get all the tracks I prefer.
Then replacing the entire collection at once...
Even more time consuming than a simple re-encode but at least I know I will have the movies I really care about archived properly.
For most though Transcoding is more than good enough. I'm just a bit obsessed with how I keep my Library.
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I am unsure of the difference between LPCM and PCM, but I believe it is the same thing in principal. The few disney movies I have with LPCM (Cars, Pirates of the Caribbean 1, 2 and 3) have a better soundtrack than what I hear when downmixed DD+ to PCM.
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Pretty sure too PCM and LPCM are the same thing i.e. totally uncompressed lossless audio. My amp seems to use PCM to indicate stereo and LPCM for multi-channel though I am not sure if this is a universal convention.
The way I understand it is everything is output from the CC as (L)PCM, having been delivered by Plex as AAC. So if you are saying your DD+ is getting down-mixed to emerge as (PCM) stereo then that should not be happening and will certainly sound way inferior to the original multichannel track. It should be getting output as 5.1 (L)PCM.
But even this is not going to sound as good as the soundtracks on the titles you mention since LPCM from the original source will be as good as it gets - delivered to your amp completely untouched, blank space and all. The (L)PCM delivered by CC to your amp is different to this though. This audio has already been compressed to DD+ and then converted by Plex to AAC. But, as Asphyx has indicated the resulting stream from the CC should sound, as near as makes no difference, just as good as the Dolby if it is getting properly transcoded.
It would probably be worth investigating further if your DD+ is actually getting down-mixed to stereo and if so why. Also, most of us using Windows did have a problem of missing rear channels when CC support by Plex was still in beta. That was soon sorted though, who knows, maybe not for some DD+ users?
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It would probably be worth investigating further if your DD+ is actually getting down-mixed to stereo and if so why. Also, most of us using Windows did have a problem of missing rear channels when CC support by Plex was still in beta. That was soon sorted though, who knows, maybe not for some DD+ users?
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It is because DD+ is not supported in Plex at the moment. They were waiting for XBMC to get an update called "Gotham" then they were going to fork off that build.
https://forums.plex.tv/index.php/topic/109415-does-plex-support-dd/#entry648738
abuttino said:
It is because DD+ is not supported in Plex at the moment. They were waiting for XBMC to get an update called "Gotham" then they were going to fork off that build.
https://forums.plex.tv/index.php/topic/109415-does-plex-support-dd/#entry648738
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Well Gotham has been out a few weeks now so hopefully you won't have long to wait :good:.
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Well Gotham has been out a few weeks now so hopefully you won't have long to wait :good:.
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What was "good" about Gotham, other than support for DD+ ? I am interested to hear the commits that Plex might also fork.
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What was "good" about Gotham, other than support for DD+ ? I am interested to hear the commits that Plex might also fork.
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I haven't upgraded yet - I'm being chicken and waiting for stable release of 13.1.
Apparently DD+ used to work fine in Eden (v 11) but Frodo (v12) broke it!
Here's the lowdown on what's new in Gotham:
XBMC Gotham FAQs
And more details here:
XBMC Gotham Changelog
Hi. I need a video player that can run 4k videos. Is there any? I have the exynos lte one. I know exynos kimits the video recording to 1080p but can it play 4K just like normal 1080p? If yes, any player which can do so? I have checked mx player pro it plays the video but its plays with too much stutter cant see nothing. Any player anyone can tell which can help??
Try the wondershare from Google Play
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tonybz said:
Try the wondershare from Google Play
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nope its also not working. MX Player Pro is hands down the best player for android. its running the videos but with stutter. im sure this Exynos ****SET is the culprit here.
thats the reason why i and millions of other people like Snapdragon chipsets. they at least work great with great battery life and everything optimized. not like samsung. i might sell this crap soon getting only 3 hours of screen on time. and its just box opened brand new tablet. SAMSUNG DISAPPOINTED ME AGAIN, AND ITS THE LAST TIME I GOT SAMMY ****!
#RANT
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nope its also not working. MX Player Pro is hands down the best player for android. its running the videos but with stutter. im sure this Exynos ****SET is the culprit here.
thats the reason why i and millions of other people like Snapdragon chipsets. they at least work great with great battery life and everything optimized. not like samsung. i might sell this crap soon getting only 3 hours of screen on time. and its just box opened brand new tablet. SAMSUNG DISAPPOINTED ME AGAIN, AND ITS THE LAST TIME I GOT SAMMY ****!
#RANT
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I think the exynos is great. I get great performance and battery life.
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nope its also not working. MX Player Pro is hands down the best player for android. its running the videos but with stutter. im sure this Exynos ****SET is the culprit here.
thats the reason why i and millions of other people like Snapdragon chipsets. they at least work great with great battery life and everything optimized. not like samsung. i might sell this crap soon getting only 3 hours of screen on time. and its just box opened brand new tablet. SAMSUNG DISAPPOINTED ME AGAIN, AND ITS THE LAST TIME I GOT SAMMY ****!
#RANT
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Did you try changing it from HW to SW. May help.
As far as I know Exynos doesn't support hardware rendering of 4k video (only 2.5k).
How do you know which is which?
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I think the exynos is great. I get great performance and battery life.
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How can you tell which chipset you have? I was told this had a 4k screen and I intend to use it soon.
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How can you tell which chipset you have? I was told this had a 4k screen and I intend to use it soon.
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Use an app called CPUZ. It can tel you your device info and chipset.
Chipsets?
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Use an app called CPUZ. It can tel you your device info and chipset.
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So I have the Exynos Processor. How many different chipsets are there in the SM-T800? why would they make more than 1 kind under the same model? What are the main differences between them?
I know noobish but I would like to know. Thanks
DrClaw
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How can you tell which chipset you have? I was told this had a 4k screen and I intend to use it soon.
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We only have 2K screen... 2560x1600... if you download your videos in 2560x1440 they work flawless... 4K video will give you stutter no matter which player you use on this device... I've tried a bunch of them.
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As far as I know Exynos doesn't support hardware rendering of 4k video (only 2.5k).
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I tried playing a few 4k videos on my SM-T800 galaxy tab s 10.5 (exynos) and for every file it stutters.
I've tried MX player - but it defaults to S/W decoding since H/W decoding isn't supported. Even though the format is H/W supported (H264), it just doesn't allow H/W decoding at these resolutions.
BS Player defaults to S/W too, as it shows 'S/W' when it displays the player properties.
Is there no current solution? Do we just sit and wait for H/W support to be enabled in the near future - or is it just too hardware intensive on the Exynos that no one will bother.
Can somebody explain why you are playing 4k video`s on a 2k+ tablet, is it just to see if they play correctly, are they just clips, a full 4k movie must be a big file.
I use the free handbrake software on my notebook, to convert and movies or series mostly animi to nHD which is 640x360 if i am going to keep them on my tablet, the higher the video resolution the more power the tablet needs to use to display them, so not only are 4k video are huge, they use a lot of battery life to play.
John.
It's just to see if the device can actually play 4k, and to see if hardware encoding even makes a difference.
Given that 4k will be more prevalent in the future, it's just testing to see if it will be able to handle the larger bitrates/files.
Most of my 4k clips are only about 2-4 minutes in length.
I wish my 10.5" could play in hardware the new h.265 format, as the video files can be up to half the size of the current h.264 version for the same quality, but it cannot, so it will have to be played back in software mode, oh well you cannot have everything, maybe it will take a while for H.265 to catch on.
John.
Yes. Freezing temporarily. I can not believe that no solution. Note 3 has same cpu, I look its forum but nothing found.