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Big difference: With and without backcover!

Hey people, look at these 2 pictures, that I just have taken:
With the backcover on:
http://www.4shared.com/file/53179104/2a29789d/Med_cover.html
And without:
http://www.4shared.com/file/53179169/2c2a3a6/Uden_cover.html
As you can see, there is a big difference. Hmm, why haven't HTC done something to this problem?

Are you sure you were at the same distance?
And what about the focus point? It seems a bit different between the 2 pics.....

flaviopac said:
Are you sure you were at the same distance?
And what about the focus point? It seems a bit different between the 2 pics.....
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Yes I'm very sure about that. I have tried with more pictures.

did you stick a 'lense protector' on the cover's lense screen? like if you stuck on a full body protector like invisibleSHIELD there'll be a piece for the lense cover too.
Or, did you forget to peel off the original one?

happyguy82 said:
did you stick a 'lense protector' on the cover's lense screen? like if you stuck on a full body protector like invisibleSHIELD there'll be a piece for the lense cover too.
Or, did you forget to peel off the original one?
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Haha, no i'm not that stupid Nothing "protection" is on.

the "lens" that is part of the back cover is obviously not optically neutral. Pretty lame if you ask me.

Syphon Filter said:
the "lens" that is part of the back cover is obviously not optically neutral. Pretty lame if you ask me.
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Without the back cover, the Diamond takes decent pictures, still slow on focusing and shutter release(you should see the Samsung F480, this little fellow shoots pictures almost like a normal digital cam) but pretty good for a 3.2 MP cam.
WITH back cover however, the pictures look like crap to me. Sometimes it looks like if the pictures have been taken through light fog and I can clean the lens cover as much as I want(not easy, tiny little bastard), after some time, the lens gets dirty/whatever again. Horrible, HTC definetely needs to find a better solution.

Here some more http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1365731&page=43&pp=15
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remove the small mirorr in a back cover that protect the camera from dust

Aqrab said:
remove the small mirorr in a back cover that protect the camera from dust
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It will "destroy" the backcover? hmm. And when the mirror is gone, dust can easier come into the camera lens?

mooooooa said:
It will "destroy" the backcover? hmm. And when the mirror is gone, dust can easier come into the camera lens?
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look i didnt try it but i think if we remove it the camera quality will increase
the htc p3600 and the touch dual doesnt have mirror for camera

Aqrab said:
look i didnt try it but i think if we remove it the camera quality will increase
the htc p3600 and the touch dual doesnt have mirror for camera
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Yes, of course the quality will increase, when a cheap plastic cover is removed But hmm, my Diamond is 2 days old, and I don't want to already destroy a part of the cover

mooooooa said:
Yes, of course the quality will increase, when a cheap plastic cover is removed But hmm, my Diamond is 2 days old, and I don't want to already destroy a part of the cover
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the problem is man that
when we want to clean the mirror we cant clean it good from the outside
we need to clean it to get better quality

Aqrab said:
the problem is man that
when we want to clean the mirror we cant clean it good from the outside
we need to clean it to get better quality
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But we can't clean the mirror everytime we just wanna take a picture. That's not a good way?

mooooooa said:
But we can't clean the mirror everytime we just wanna take a picture. That's not a good way?
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well ideally you should or you should remember not to put you fingers on the lens (not an easy task given the camera position i know) but lets be fair here, i mean its not as if you would take your stand alone digital camera, smear you greasy hands over the lens all day (+ let dust collect on it) and then expect it to take perfect pics...
be practical, if you remove the case screen for long you are gonna end up with scratches on the actual camera lens! and that's not easily replaceable now is it (not like the back cover...) lol

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But we can't clean the mirror everytime we just wanna take a picture. That's not a good way?
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yah i know
im jast saying when we want to clean it
remember not to put your fingers on the lens

What we need is a back cover with a piece of glass in place of the piece of plastic which covers the lense.
This seems like the only solution to me.
Its because the plastic isnt very durable, it does mist up the photos. If you look on coolsmartphone.com ive also took some pictures and they looked alot better without the back plastic cover on.
I just hope someone somewhere is reading this as i would pay for a back cover with glass instead of plastic lense cover.
The pictures are alot sharper and arent misty without the cover on.

tomchap said:
What we need is a back cover with a piece of glass in place of the piece of plastic which covers the lense.
This seems like the only solution to me.
Its because the plastic isnt very durable, it does mist up the photos. If you look on coolsmartphone.com ive also took some pictures and they looked alot better without the back plastic cover on.
I just hope someone somewhere is reading this as i would pay for a back cover with glass instead of plastic lense cover.
The pictures are alot sharper and arent misty without the cover on.
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Your right!

white balance
Granted the backcover lens protector doesn't do justice to this phone. Adjusting the white balance does for improvement (say the lighhtbulb mode) I find. Again the camera does let this phone down, compared to others of similar spec. Can a software tweak solve the lag in motion when shooting in video mode at all? Is it as a 'simple' case as that I wonder!?

I just did some test shots with my xda diamond from germany and I honestly cant see a difference. can you tell which one is taken with the cover off?

[Q] Build quality / scratched paint

I've had my lovely Xperia T for almost 2 weeks now and I've got a few concerns about the build quality and I'd like to see if I'm the only one with these issues:
1) I've noticed a few places on the back panel which exhibit a certain amount of creaking when I apply slight pressure. The worst areas are at the top left of the device behind the notification LED and between the SIM/Micro SD panel and the power button. This sound is quite irritating to me, especially for a brand new device.
2) There are a few areas along the edge of the matte black panel where the matte paint have been scratched off. Two of the corners have slight paint wear and around the headphone jack. Under the matte paint is a shiny black surface and it seems (so far) to be affecting the sharper edges or where the matte panel meets the metallic bezel. I'll try to take photos, but it's very small at the moment and might not be picked up due to it's dark colour.
Like I said, I've only had this phone less than a fortnight and it's already showing signs of wear even though I'm very careful with my devices.
Do any of you have any experiences like this?

Had mine for 2 and half weeks and have no sign of even being used. Don't have it in a case or anything. Where did you get it from.
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Carphone Warehouse UK. I can live with these small paint chips but I'm concerned it'll only get worse with time
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daranx said:
I've had my lovely Xperia T for almost 2 weeks now and I've got a few concerns about the build quality and I'd like to see if I'm the only one with these issues:
1) I've noticed a few places on the back panel which exhibit a certain amount of creaking when I apply slight pressure. The worst areas are at the top left of the device behind the notification LED and between the SIM/Micro SD panel and the power button. This sound is quite irritating to me, especially for a brand new device.
2) There are a few areas along the edge of the matte black panel where the matte paint have been scratched off. Two of the corners have slight paint wear and around the headphone jack. Under the matte paint is a shiny black surface and it seems (so far) to be affecting the sharper edges or where the matte panel meets the metallic bezel. I'll try to take photos, but it's very small at the moment and might not be picked up due to it's dark colour.
Like I said, I've only had this phone less than a fortnight and it's already showing signs of wear even though I'm very careful with my devices.
Do any of you have any experiences like this?
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Yep about to ask the same thing here... I cant believe that after 2 weeks of normal usage back matte covering is starting to peel at the corners. Its some kind of spray over a glossy plastic. Had galaxy ace for over a year and that stayed like new. Was very upset with this, so I ordered thin hard plastic case to cover that s***.
I got the phone from O2 ireland. James Bond and what not...but very disappointed as for the price.

Mine is exactly as you described it. Paint started to peel off at the top corners and the creak when pressed on the left corner. Really disappointed with Sony's built quality. Also the factory installed screen protector is showing some marks/light scratches. Does anyone know if it is possible to remove it as I would like to replace it with aftermarket ones. It seems to be glued to the screen.
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Protongti said:
Mine is exactly as you described it. Paint started to peel off at the top corners and the creak when pressed on the left corner. Really disappointed with Sony's built quality. Also the factory installed screen protector is showing some marks/light scratches. Does anyone know if it is possible to remove it as I would like to replace it with aftermarket ones. It seems to be glued to the screen.
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I have not removed it from the xperia t yet, but I have removed it from my past xperia devices with no problem at all, but it does need a knack to take it of
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I've been reading into this 'shatter proof' layer and I'd be curious to find out if anyone here has removed theirs already? How does it affect dust/smudges etc? I'm naturally a bit hesitant to attack my phone just yet.
A note on the creaking case; I've found a rather unprofessional way to resolve it and it's reduced the noise significantly. It's possible to wedge a thin piece of paper between the back panel and the bezel, so I trimmed a piece small enough to go ask the way inside as far as it can go and gently pushed it out of sight using a craft knife. I used a post-it note and made a strip about 1mm wide and 5mm long and this seemed to do the job.
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Mine is exactly as you described it too.

daranx said:
I've been reading into this 'shatter proof' layer and I'd be curious to find out if anyone here has removed theirs already? How does it affect dust/smudges etc? I'm naturally a bit hesitant to attack my phone just yet.
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Not so sure its a "Shatter proof" layer or just to keep any broken glass stuck together so you dont cut yourself. It may give some protection against shattering but as I have said before, I removed it from my x10 and my neo with no adverse effects at all. Still to do it yet on my T. The reason eing, soon that layer gets scratched and dull, then I will take it off and have a brand new screen, similar pricicple to the rip offs the F1 drivers use on their visors.

Mine creaks as does my wife's Xperia T. Really annoying at first, but I got a hard case from Amazon UK and its stopped most of it.

Just removed my built-in/factory-fitted screen protector or whatever you want to call it :laugh:
Gave it a good clean as it was very slightly tacky and now it looks much slicker with the screen off... it seems to attract less dust and it isn't as smear-prone as before. I prefer the naked glass feel and it seems ever so slightly more responsive. Kinda glad I took the plunge after being too chicken to do it lol

Good for you!! Did mine also today using a credit card. Started at the top where the speaker is as it had the least resistance. Came off quite easily.
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Are the front-panel logos on the Xperia T on the glass itself or on the shatterproof sheet? In other words, did the logos come off along with the sheet?

LesPaulGuitarPlayer said:
Are the front-panel logos on the Xperia T on the glass itself or on the shatterproof sheet? In other words, did the logos come off along with the sheet?
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The sony and xperia logo remain on the phone after I took off the factory fitted screen protector

Silver sticker around camera lens.
A week in with my Xperia T and the sticker around camera lens has peeled away. Anyone else have same problem? Perhaps I'll need silver model paint in it's place.

same problem
had my xperia T for about 2 months now, i have been very careful with it, it hasnt been droped, or against anything sharp, the only thing it has had is the pulling in and out of my pocket every time i use it, as any phone should be designed to do, and the paint on all 4 corners is wearing off, mainly on the left side, i belive this to be the angle that it usually is in my jeans pocket causing it to scratch.
as a matter of intrest whats the cover on warenty for something like this? because the manufacture could say its not their fault,

lordadamthird said:
had my xperia T for about 2 months now, i have been very careful with it, it hasnt been droped, or against anything sharp, the only thing it has had is the pulling in and out of my pocket every time i use it, as any phone should be designed to do, and the paint on all 4 corners is wearing off, mainly on the left side, i belive this to be the angle that it usually is in my jeans pocket causing it to scratch.
as a matter of intrest whats the cover on warenty for something like this? because the manufacture could say its not their fault,
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There is already a thread about this problem, and yes, it's covered by warranty. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2031472
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M8 rear camera cover scratches

So, I've had my m8 for a month and a half maybe, with a spigen slim armor case on it at all times. After cleaning my rear lens cover yesterday ( with a soft microfiber cloth) I noticed many small scratches right above the lens area.. Seriously?? I am super careful with my phone, considering I'm really into mobile photography as well. Is the cover made out of plastic?? Whenever I had whipped it in the past, always used extreme care. I can't believe that it's scratched.. Really bums me out that htc would use such weak materials to cover the camera lens. Other than that, the phone is great, no doubt. I can't imagine what it's going to look like in 6 months though.. Any others noticed the same ?
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Mine is scratched to hell . my pics look hazy . there has been a lot of people with the same issue and some have been getting there's replaced .
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After reading some threads like this I ordered a protector to cover both lenses. Wish I could remember the name now, but you get 2 sets for $3 and I've not seen any effect in pictures. God I wish I could remember the name. Would search but late for work.
Edit: Slickwraps.com

do you guys have cases cuz i have a
OB and mine are fine!

Mine!
I do not use a case, my preference.
My camera window is also scratched with a lot of micro scratches.
My question is, if people are replacing the windows, where are they purchasing the part from? Anyone have a link to a replacement parts site?

I use a tpu case . this is the only smart phone I've had that had this issue and I've owned a lot .
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stop putting your phone in your pocket often

I actually was able to remove scratches...I sprayed resurfacing fluid from a CD scratch repair kit then put a dab of toothpaste on my fingertip and rubbed it in for about a min or two....scratches gone and pics are clear
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After doing some additional research, I found many people having the same issue, that is possibly caused by heating, resulting in the coating not sticking correctly. There is also the assumption that the protective coating was never removed when manufacturing/assembly. I noticed that with slight pressure with just my fingernail on the front camera , same thing happens.. the coating scratches. And btw (for who thinks this is the cause) having the phone in your pocket has zero effect on this issue. I baby my phone , and always have a case on it, and would never put in anything else. Glad there is a simple fix, by removing the coating. However, a good idea would be to purchase a lens protector from slickwrapes just in case.
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Duce HD2 said:
After doing some additional research, I found many people having the same issue, that is possibly caused by heating, resulting in the coating not sticking correctly. There is also the assumption that the protective coating was never removed when manufacturing/assembly. I noticed that with slight pressure with just my fingernail on the front camera , same thing happens.. the coating scratches. And btw (for who thinks this is the cause) having the phone in your pocket has zero effect on this issue. I baby my phone , and always have a case on it, and would never put in anything else. Glad there is a simple fix, by removing the coating. However, a good idea would be to purchase a lens protector from slickwrapes just in case.
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they why do i have the issuse, i even keep it in my purse at times

Mindripper72 said:
I actually was able to remove scratches...I sprayed resurfacing fluid from a CD scratch repair kit then put a dab of toothpaste on my fingertip and rubbed it in for about a min or two....scratches gone and pics are clear
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Yup, got mine almost done too.. Need a little extra work around the edge, and it's all clear again. I was really bummed out about this until I found out that there was a solution. I love my M8 once again lol. Looks like the front camera has the same thing as well.
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Looks like it happened to me as well. Lens cleaner and microfiber cloth took care of it for me.
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It happened to me too. My camera lens cover got all scratched and pictures were coming out really hazy... I took mine to sprint i told them I think its a camera software issue and they ordered me a new one. I'll be sure to take better care of this new one.

Rydah805 said:
Looks like it happened to me as well. Lens cleaner and microfiber cloth took care of it for me.
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Did it take the scratches off?
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parmend said:
Did it take the scratches off?
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Well yes, but idk how they got there. My front camera and duo lens were the ones affected. I always have a case on and never have put my phone in any pockets. Only idea I have is cleaning my phone, in which I clean the lenses but shouldn't "scratch" from that. Just seems like a cheap clear coat that easily removes.
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[Q] Removing Sony's Screen Protector

Hello there. Is it wise to remove Sony's Screen protector and then replacing it with a tempered glass screen protector? Why or why not?
Thanks.
Note: As I have under 10 posts I cannot link to the screen protector, but here is the extension of the URL. /Ultra-thin-Protector-Anti-scratch-Shatterproof-Fingerprint/dp/B00L41KMVQ/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1410738703&sr=1-6&keywords=z1+tempered+glass
Just add amazon [.] com in front of it. Thanks.

I bought my phone used and it had some small scratches on the front side so I did exactly what you describe.
It feels "smoother" now. If you still have warranty you might not want to do it though.
Maybe you missed this thread, which has excellent information on the topic.

user822 said:
I bought my phone used and it had some small scratches on the front side so I did exactly what you describe.
It feels "smoother" now. If you still have warranty you might not want to do it though.
Maybe you missed this thread, which has excellent information on the topic.
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Mine also had deep scratches and I removed and screen is more clear and it's more smooth, now I care alot for my phone, I use it with a cover book style and not a single scratch since 2 weeks
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replaced camera lens cover, now mostly foggy pictures

Alright, I was an idiot and managed to crack my glass camera lens cover. I purchased this : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RKFAZ5I/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and did the replacement, but my pictures appear sort of "hazy" or "foggy" for lack of a better term. I can still get it to focus really well, but the pictures don't pop like they used to.
The only thing I did while replacing that could have caused problems was using compressed air while the old cover was off to ensure none of the shattered glass was left in the actual camera lens mechanism. I made sure to hold the can at an angle so that none of the liquid came out, but i did notice the lens mechanism moving around (almost like a hockey puck) as the air interacted with it. I assumed this sort of free floating lens design had something to do with the optical image stabilization, so it didn't seem like a big deal. I put the new cover on with clean hands and thought everything was fine until I started taking pictures again.
Has anyone replaced the camera lens cover and experienced a similar issue? I've ordered another one to take another shot at it, and I'm actually going to take some test pictures while the cover is removed just to see if I did actually damage the lens itself...
I have the jump protection, but would rather fix it myself than pay 175 for a refurb that I'm going to replace in 4 months anyways.

Why not replace the whole back camera?

I dont know how easy is to remove the lens cover but check if pictures taken without cover are foggy or not. If foggy then camera lens is dirty, if sharp - camera lens cover is a problem.
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My guess is it got moisture behind the lense, or the lense was dirty.
When they create that hardware it is sealed in 0% humidity. If it was even a rainy day when you installed the lense, it could have caused it to fog up.
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What I did was pull mine back and clean it with some alcohol and a q-tip

Is there a part number for that?

Check out this item I found on eBay: http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=371237781680&alt=web

10-K said:
Check out this item I found on eBay: http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=371237781680&alt=web
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Thanks, might give that a shot if it doesn't clear up with the next lens cover.

Did you peel the plastics on both sides of the lens cover? Also check if it's actually focusing. Maybe slap the phone and see if it refocuses. Afterall there are moving parts in there.

Is there a genuine saphire lens cover to buy anywhere? I to used the cheap replacement cover and my pictures are blurry and bad in bright light. My camera itself should be fine though.