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Touch HD "End of Life"

Quite quick compared to the other HTC models, the Touch HD is now listed as end of Life and available till end of stock (which ran out) at our supplier.
Lets hope the HD2 and the other models I saw that look like it and have comparable specs come out soon.

1st of April was yesterday ;-)

I wish they were joking, I had 10 of them in order ...

"the HD2" w00t?

i think it's true

Don't you realize that this had also been the case with any other HTC devices? Look at kaiser. When it first came out, I was like "Dude, this is definitely the best PDA ever, it has everything!" I got a lil disappointed for not getting any "significant" updates from HTC (as far as OS and all the tidbits like drivers are concerned). BUT, thanks to this community with all the smart people cooking ROMs and developing applications, everything worked out nicely until I sold that kaiser. I personally think, HTC is obligated to say BIG thanks to xda-developers, because without dem, I would've returned my kaiser 3 days after I bought it and there was no way I would've bought blackstone.
PS: Even my lil' brother's using my Hima from 6 years ago, now running WM6.5! How cool is that?

JanSchotsmans said:
Quite quick compared to the other HTC models, the Touch HD is now listed as end of Life and available till end of stock (which ran out) at our supplier.
Lets hope the HD2 and the other models I saw that look like it and have comparable specs come out soon.
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Is there an economic model to declare it eol within 6 months of its release? Even with HD2, there is still a market for HD (not factoring in the crisis and remaining stock).
Doesn't make sense to me.

Deem -- after reading that htc doesnt offer good support to their devices I think that my next device Wont Be HTC!!!! Anyways I Would realy want something with Nvidia Tegra -- and HTC wont be one of them!!!!

Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
Deem -- after reading that htc doesnt offer good support to their devices I think that my next device Wont Be HTC!!!!
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Do you believe everything what you read? If so, you can read now that HTC offered "good support" to me. They fixed my Hermes 2 years ago within a very short period of time, no questions asked.

The touchHD 2 is the firestone. Google it

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Do you believe everything what you read? If so, you can read now that HTC offered "good support" to me. They fixed my Hermes 2 years ago within a very short period of time, no questions asked.
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No I dont, but a lot of people do and that is confusing...
2 years ago aint the same as now, but WE WILL SEE if HTC will support Touch HD!!!!

I think it's ture....
since HTC started the pre-order of Diamond 2 in Taiwan...
(no price until the end of the month)
so.... that's reasonable enough to stop manufacture Touch HD ?

Its funny how some people are contemplating if its true ...
But anyway, I found that quite a few companies that sell only phones and their accessories have stocked the HD at the pre-"end of life" price change and are now selling it at 480€ excluding BTW/VAT/TAX
Considering how great the HD runs with Roms like the Dutty series I'd say that, if you visit XDA, you probably won't mind using custom roms and the HD is a great device to use, even if HTC had shipped it with an OS that had no features and crashed all the time.

HTC pushes back Android Eclair update again [link]? Also questions on ROMs! TIA!

http://www.androidspin.com/2010/03/12/android-2-1-for-htc-hero-now-due-in-april/
i'm a n00b to the Android scene and my question is: does this affect the ability to update cooked ROMs here or do people here just work off 2.1 from a different phone... and does that create more hurdles than if the ROM were 'made for Hero' i.e. any unique handset dependencies, etc?
I'm in this dichotomy stage right now where I've read upteen hundred interviews, reviews, posts, comparisons, etc. of HTC Hero and Samsung Moment, and still can't decide, but am leaning to the Hero because of the excellent development that goes on here and because of Sense, even though I'm really yearning for that snappier processor, AMOLED screen, etc., I can't justify it if development is lukewarm compared to here and it seems updated ROMs for Moment are sketchy at best, in terms of getting full functionality out of the handset.
What I don't get is this... you folks here (devs, enthusiasts, etc), are constantly building new roms, but are they derivative of cupcake, or eclair? More so, despite whatever Sprint and HTC do or don't do (as it seems HTC is more concerned w/ the rollout of Desire), can I still get my 2.1 Eclair fix here, albeit original Sense, and is it mostly bug free/usable as a day phone w/o losing any *features* that I would get from a Sprint Stock Cupcake Hero?
I have a half mind to wait for a Sprint Snapdragon but no telling when that will be plus I can get a Hero for $60 now w/ free activation, and a Moment for the missus for $20 more, also no activation. That's a hard deal to beat, imo. But I find it vexing that there might never be an official Eclair update for the Hero, more so the Moment if it's incumbent upon Samsung to deliver as they have a track record of abandoning phones upon delivery.
Thanks in advance a million times for your response!
I have to act quick if I'm to get this deal, but these decisions are killing me.

if you can wait, wait for the supersonic.
otherwise it is really a matter of preference. my brother has the moment. he loves it because of the keyboard. otherwise the processor may be snappier but i can't tell a difference...
he doesn't run any roms, nothing worthwhile out there. And I am running 2.1 already thanks to our great devs.

For me it's really a matter of cost and time. I really need new phones and the time it takes to get a healthy discount on a 2 yr contract could be months from now.
The Processor in the Moment would come in most handy (I would think) in future Android updates; flash if it hits; and certain apps, etc.
But if there's not pushed updates to Moment, then it's totally dependent on the community and i don't think it's as strong as here, or rather it's in a much earlier stage...
I see there are two forums but upon initial investigation, I don't see these ROMS viable as day phones, more for testing and development
http://www.samsungmomentforum.com/rooting/?PHPSESSID=8c9ead9a3ee984137fea7bf4b21ad46d
sdx-developers.com
In any case, I don't want to deviate too far into Moment in a predominantly HTC board, which brings me back to my initial questions regarding how update cycle/process works here. Wondering what base platform devs work from, and if anyone cares about the potential 'official' 2.1 update and whether or not that changes a thing here.
Thanks in advance.

maybe this will help....
Here

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http://www.androidspin.com/2010/03/12/android-2-1-for-htc-hero-now-due-in-april/
i'm a n00b to the Android scene and my question is: does this affect the ability to update cooked ROMs here or do people here just work off 2.1 from a different phone... and does that create more hurdles than if the ROM were 'made for Hero' i.e. any unique handset dependencies, etc?
I'm in this dichotomy stage right now where I've read upteen hundred interviews, reviews, posts, comparisons, etc. of HTC Hero and Samsung Moment, and still can't decide, but am leaning to the Hero because of the excellent development that goes on here and because of Sense, even though I'm really yearning for that snappier processor, AMOLED screen, etc., I can't justify it if development is lukewarm compared to here and it seems updated ROMs for Moment are sketchy at best, in terms of getting full functionality out of the handset.
What I don't get is this... you folks here (devs, enthusiasts, etc), are constantly building new roms, but are they derivative of cupcake, or eclair? More so, despite whatever Sprint and HTC do or don't do (as it seems HTC is more concerned w/ the rollout of Desire), can I still get my 2.1 Eclair fix here, albeit original Sense, and is it mostly bug free/usable as a day phone w/o losing any *features* that I would get from a Sprint Stock Cupcake Hero?
I have a half mind to wait for a Sprint Snapdragon but no telling when that will be plus I can get a Hero for $60 now w/ free activation, and a Moment for the missus for $20 more, also no activation. That's a hard deal to beat, imo. But I find it vexing that there might never be an official Eclair update for the Hero, more so the Moment if it's incumbent upon Samsung to deliver as they have a track record of abandoning phones upon delivery.
Thanks in advance a million times for your response!
I have to act quick if I'm to get this deal, but these decisions are killing me.
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Personally I hated the moment, felt like I was carrying an Abrams Tank in my pocket, and its kind of ugly. But the HUGE issue I had with it was battery life. Litterally only got about 5 hours of LIGHT use. and only about 12 hours IN STAND BY! We had two seperate moments with 4 batteries and the ALL did that. Not to mention the OS feels so heavy on it and it is vanilla as possible. Now given they are supposed to release a "Moment2" that has an ASTC TV Tunner built in, but really? Do you want to carry around an antena and watch OTA TV on a 3inch screen? Come on. Ok, So it has an AMOLED screen and the Hero doesn't...bfd the Resolution is the same, you just have more colors...again do I need to bring up the 3" screen? Your not watching High Def movies on this thing.
When typing the moment can't keep up when you use the on screen key board, you really have to use the hardware keyboard even for short texts.
Onto the Hero:
We have fully working 2.1 Roms now, given they are buggy. Most of these guys will have it figured out in a week or so for a fully functional less buggy than Sprints 2.1 ROM. Personally I am still running 1.5 just because I don't see anything that 2.1 brings me that I can't live with out. And Ill be damned if im using a password to get into my exchange email everytime.

Read the article. I saw two issues.
1 - is Sweden CDMA?
2 - the Swedish release doesn't have to impact ours (US).
But then what do I know.
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A member of Swedroid received a reply from HTC Sweden with another date! They state that the Android 2.1 is expected sometime in April but this release is not set in stone.
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Samsung has great hardware, but they've historically SUCKED at providing firmware upgrades, and are infamous for hacking proprietary, undocumented extensions onto ancient firmware... then refusing to tell anyone how it works. Ask anyone who ever owned one of their Sprint PalmOS phones (SPHi300, SPHi330, SPHi500). The end result (at least with their PalmOS phones) was a phone that couldn't run most new mainstream software (because they were at least a whole version behind), but developers couldn't even write apps that took advantage of the phones' native features because they were all undocumented and incompatible with Palm's own official way of doing it.
Put another way, don't even THINK about buying any Samsung Android phone that's not already rootable and shipping with 2.1, because community-built new releases are the only upgrades they're ever likely to see. The Moment will probably get 2.1 eventually due to pressure from Google, but I really think that will be the Samsung exception rather than its new future policy.

The Cupcake ROMs are very mature and good for essentially bug-free daily use.
The Eclair ROMs are just starting (I mean, the last 2-3 days) to get there. Both of the good ones (Flipz and Danger) are still a bit buggy. Danger appears to be, at the moment, the one farther along (I think Flipz is on vacation) and might just be good enough for daily use. Definitely not quite 100% though, as it's still a Verizon ROM and missing a couple of things like Visual Voicemail.

I came frfom a Moment, let me tell you to each his own. If you prefer a hardware keyboard, and better colors, get the moment.
If you don't mind the virtual keyboard and want to be able to flash 3-4 times a week from development community, get a hero.
The Moment currently ONLY has a cooked kernel to flash that was made by someone who started at samsungmomentforum.com and moved to sdx-developers.com.
With the CL14 kernel update the battery drain issue was solved, after putting on that update I would get a day and a half on my phone with light use, it has vanilla android with no extra interface options, which could be a plus or minus on which way you look at it.
I enjoyed my moment, but was left "wanting more", so I traded it for a TP2, which has a huge development community. The TP2 left me "wanting more" because it couldn't do the things that Android could, so I traded it for a Hero and now I am completely happy.
To each his own, sir..To each his own ;]

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way too be a ****

Sporkman said:
way too be a ****
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Wow. I was going more for pointedly funny than dickish (you'll notice that I took the time to make sure that the results were relevant to his question, as 4 of the top 5 hits are recent 2.1 threads, most -if not all- of which have a description of what is and isn't working in the first post). If I was being dickish I would have just advised him to use the search function as some others are wont to do.
edit: Pardon. 4 of the top 6.

Wait for the Supersonic. Upgrade deals will come and go, that deal doesn't even sound that good to me.... your phone has made it this far, what's a few more months (hopefully... )
You will regret it if you don't once that phone comes out.

tejasrichard said:
Wow. I was going more for pointedly funny than dickish (you'll notice that I took the time to make sure that the results were relevant to his question, as 4 of the top 5 hits are recent 2.1 threads, most -if not all- of which have a description of what is and isn't working in the first post). If I was being dickish I would have just advised him to use the search function as some others are wont to do.
edit: Pardon. 4 of the top 6.
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Made me laugh... And was helpful! (thanks for making my day)
Go for the Hero.. you will love it!

I love the people that say "wait for the supersonic". They have NO idea when it's coming out. The thing could come out in April, or it could come out in December, or it could come out any month in the middle. There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
If you like the phone you have now and want something with a snapdragon processor, then you obviously have to wait. I honestly don't see what difference a faster processor is going to make when it comes to the overall use of the phone. The 2.1 ROM's that are out now are so insanely fast that a faster processor would be overkill for the general use. It would certainly help with some of the processor intensive apps/widgets, but for general functions, I really don't think it'd make a huge difference.

tatonka_hero said:
There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
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That is my thought also. And frankly, my fervent prayer. I'm due for upgrade in December, and I'm hoping the Supersonic will be fully rooted and kickin' 3G butt by then, lol!

tatonka_hero said:
I love the people that say "wait for the supersonic". They have NO idea when it's coming out. The thing could come out in April, or it could come out in December, or it could come out any month in the middle. There's been no statement saying when the thing's coming out, and your guess is as good as mine (mine happens to be late August or September, to catch the Hero crowd wanting to upgrade).
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Personally, I signed a new contract when I got my Hero's. So I am stuck for another 2 years or what ever the time period is for an upgrade. I will be drooling over a supersonic, but hopefully by the time mine comes around I'll be able to get one of the dual-core 1.5 ghz snapdragon phones. Hell, I may bite the bullet on one when they do drop one on Sprint instead of waiting. I think I'll skip the current phase of 1 ghz devices though.

Kcarpenter said:
Personally, I signed a new contract when I got my Hero's. So I am stuck for another 2 years or what ever the time period is for an upgrade. I will be drooling over a supersonic, but hopefully by the time mine comes around I'll be able to get one of the dual-core 1.5 ghz snapdragon phones. Hell, I may bite the bullet on one when they do drop one on Sprint instead of waiting. I think I'll skip the current phase of 1 ghz devices though.
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you're not a premium customer (premier customer? I can't remember the specific term)? I thought like 90% of Hero owners ended up in that category, simply due to the price of the plan.
Guess I'm not entirely certain, being that I'm not on a contract, and am eligible for upgrades every year (or so I'm told by my girlfriend lol)

tatonka_hero said:
you're not a premium customer (premier customer? I can't remember the specific term)? I thought like 90% of Hero owners ended up in that category, simply due to the price of the plan.
Guess I'm not entirely certain, being that I'm not on a contract, and am eligible for upgrades every year (or so I'm told by my girlfriend lol)
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Individual plan of 69.99 or more, family plan of 99.99 or more, or someone who has been a customer for 10 or more years.
So, yes..most hero owners should qualify for Sprint Premier, as long as your account is in good standing.

scriz said:
Individual plan of 69.99 or more, family plan of 99.99 or more, or someone who has been a customer for 10 or more years.
So, yes..most hero owners should qualify for Sprint Premier, as long as your account is in good standing.
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Yeah...see I didn't know that.
I'm on the 129.99 Unlimited plan x2 lines. I guess that qualifies me, assuming I don't drink all my money away and can't pay the bill.
I guess I will requalify around the begining of december. Good thing too, cell phones don't usually last me more than 7 months or so. They habitually end up in the toilet.

thank you so much folks! You have a been a world of help in final decision... I too feel the moment is too big, and realize samsung's lackluster handset support in updates over the years... i am definitely getting myself a hero.
funny that one or two of you mentioned battery life. I was reading a very verbose conversation on that on the moment board just yesterday between engineers but thought it was related to cooked roms. this concerns me now as wifey likes the hw keyboard of moment and she's also not a tweaker so cupcake/moment will do her just fine, even if eclair doesn't make it. She simply needs pictures, video, and mobile access to facebook for android and a decent browser as well as gmail, google calendar and such and she's golden; prettiness of gui is not a concern. But this battery problem is in the stock Sprint 1.5 Roms? She would not dig 5 hrs of battery life and I'd therefore have to waste the $35 fee in getting her over to another phone!
Say it ain't so! Does this affect all stock Moments if so?
Also... this Sprint Premier... is the reason for getting it similar to TEP i.e. upgrade options faster? What are the perks and is this a request i need to make?! More details please! I'm coming off 4 years of T-Mobile (although had sprint prior to), and am looking at the $129.99 Everything Messaging (unl. data, text, mms) - 25% monthly corp. discount so ~ $97/mo before taxes when all said and done. I would like to transfer asap as our phones are ancient; plan sucks @ 700 min (although very cheap at ~$52 before taxes/fees after discount); 2 years of contract doesn't bother me so much, but if I see the potential which happens from time to time (ETF change recently) I'll jump at breach of contract and void my contract. However, I don't mind not having a snapdragon at all. It's more important to get TX numbers (for discount and lower taxes/fees) before moving west. Frankly, I've been putting of the upgrade for far too long, invariably waiting for something better, or that next great thing. I was going to go HTC TP2 because of the excellent support from this community in the past, but w/ the announcement of win 7 and tegra and the cost of the tp2 i changed my mind.
Thanks!

They grow old so fast...

Am i the only man on earth that believes phones reach their end of life to soon? I currently own a HTC Droid Incredible(the original launched in 2010), and i'm just a little pissed off that my phone probably isn't going to be receiving Sense2.0/3.0 or gingerbread, OFFICIALLY. Gingerbread is understandable, but come on, sense 2.0 released 4 months after the Inc. launched, and still no update. These sorta things happen to every phone, no matter what OS they run, or who manufactures them. I think it's BS that i should have to buy a new, 600$ phone every year in order to revive the newest version of the operating system it runs. Another great example, Palm. I also use to own one of their beautiful Web-OS devices(and i loved it BTW), But the updates i was promised on the development website were cancelled and never released, or at least, i switched to Android before they were after waiting 6 months.
My point is, companies almost seem to forget about their devices, even only after a couple of months of release. The device could be completely capable of running the software bug-free, but they decide to throw it to the side, and focus on the future, when most of us still hold the past in our hands.

I agree too.. Well companies have always been like that.. and their only goal is to attract consumers and make money..

They need a better way to do it. I don't know many normal users who've updated firmware / OS.
Came across an iPhone user before christmas who was really frustrated that no apps or games worked anymore. I think the OS was 2 1/2 years out of date. They were going to buy a new phone before I upgraded the OS for them and everything suddenly worked!
-=JK=-

Bubblyhobo said:
Am i the only man on earth that believes phones reach their end of life to soon? I currently own a HTC Droid Incredible(the original launched in 2010), and i'm just a little pissed off that my phone probably isn't going to be receiving Sense2.0/3.0 or gingerbread, OFFICIALLY. Gingerbread is understandable, but come on, sense 2.0 released 4 months after the Inc. launched, and still no update. These sorta things happen to every phone, no matter what OS they run, or who manufactures them. I think it's BS that i should have to buy a new, 600$ phone every year in order to revive the newest version of the operating system it runs. Another great example, Palm. I also use to own one of their beautiful Web-OS devices(and i loved it BTW), But the updates i was promised on the development website were cancelled and never released, or at least, i switched to Android before they were after waiting 6 months.
My point is, companies almost seem to forget about their devices, even only after a couple of months of release. The device could be completely capable of running the software bug-free, but they decide to throw it to the side, and focus on the future, when most of us still hold the past in our hands.
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Why else do people flock to XDA?
The developers here are the stuff of our technological dreams. Moore's law dictates a cycle of 24 months for obsolescence, and with our advances in UX and algorithm, this fleeting time is cut even shorter by the abhorred shears of Atropos. XDA lends a lifeline to our devices, and surely I say to you, without CyanogenMod in my phone I'd feel very blue. So if you would ask me if Androids dream of Electric Sheep, I'd say that in this site their only nightmare is apathy.

I totally agree

Indeed. It's quite depressing to think that the HTC Sensation is probably going to be knocked off it's flagship podium before I actually manage to procure a device that doesn't have copious amounts of dust under the screen or other such elementary problems.

Hence I bought the phone I liked, at the price I can afford, with the functions I want.
Next upgrade is probably never, unless I get some $ windfall.

I wanted to buy a Desire S since it has everything I needed until I found out there's no Sense 3.0, WTF it got released almost the same time Sensation did
I won't buy an expensive phone because it'll go down without an effort
TBH the best companies that offers updates are Samsung and Sony Ericsson, HTC is between medicore and horrible and Motorola is below the center of the earth.

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Why else do people flock to XDA?
The developers here are the stuff of our technological dreams. Moore's law dictates a cycle of 24 months for obsolescence, and with our advances in UX and algorithm, this fleeting time is cut even shorter by the abhorred shears of Atropos. XDA lends a lifeline to our devices, and surely I say to you, without CyanogenMod in my phone I'd feel very blue. So if you would ask me if Androids dream of Electric Sheep, I'd say that in this site their only nightmare is apathy.
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I do.agree with you, but like the first reply, not everyone updates their devices. We are the part.of the community that loves being in sync, with the latest and fastest, but the pace of Moore's law is so fast It's almost impossible. Btw, I have the Kingdom gingersense 3.0 ROM.running on my Inc, It's awesome,.sense 3.0 is.epic

I'm thinking of apple users when i read this. Get an iphone, looks and feels great and next thing you know it there's a newer version of it and your old one won't even receive the software update.
You're right when you say that companies worry too much of the future and forget to think of their current devices.
Sent from my LG-P500 using XDA App

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I wanted to buy a Desire S since it has everything I needed until I found out there's no Sense 3.0, WTF it got released almost the same time Sensation did
I won't buy an expensive phone because it'll go down without an effort
TBH the best companies that offers updates are Samsung and Sony Ericsson, HTC is between medicore and horrible and Motorola is below the center of the earth.
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Haha, exactly my point. Though Motorola is really good with updating their droids, but thats because Verizon pays them to do it. The newest Droid x 2.3.3 update is super buggy, my friend has it and keeps complaint about the camera crashing, and random restart, and freezing

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Uh, you have that confused. Who took 7 months to update their phone from 1.6 to 2.1? Sony Ericsson. I'm sure we all know about the U.S. Galaxy S update fiasco. Motorola has got to be the best (in the U.S. with their high end phones) IMO. Droid X was released with 2.1, 2 months later it received 2.2. Last month it recieved 2.3. Same with the OG Droid. Launched with 2.0, recieved 2.1 I believe 3-4 months afterward and 2.2 last summer (early August). For HTC, the Mytouch 3G for example. Launched July, 29th 2009, with 1.5, got a 1.6 update several months later, then recieved 2.1 and in November recieved 2.2. Of course it ran horribly with 2.2 but HTC still updated it. Now none of the companies are perfect at updating, but HTC and Motorola have it best (IMO).

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Uh, you have that confused. Who took 7 months to update their phone from 1.6 to 2.1? Sony Ericsson. I'm sure we all know about the U.S. Galaxy S update fiasco. Motorola has got to be the best (in the U.S. with their high end phones) IMO. Droid X was released with 2.1, 2 months later it received 2.2. Last month it recieved 2.3. Same with the OG Droid. Launched with 2.0, recieved 2.1 I believe 3-4 months afterward and 2.2 last summer (early August). For HTC, the Mytouch 3G for example. Launched July, 29th 2009, with 1.5, got a 1.6 update several months later, then recieved 2.1 and in November recieved 2.2. Of course it ran horribly with 2.2 but HTC still updated it. Now none of the companies are perfect at updating, but HTC and Motorola have it best (IMO).
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It all depends where you live. In USA, Motorola is pretty good at updating their devices. In other parts of the world, they're horrible. Samsung is exactly the opposite - international SGS got 2.2 and was the first non-Nexus device with 2.3. In USA, some of their phones got 2.2 recently. So it's hard to say.

Haha, totally agree man, the fascinated got 2.2 like a months ago, the galaxy tab is just starting to get upgrades, reason I avoided Samsung, even if the phones are beautiful, they lack with updates. I thought HTC with their track record would much a fast sense 2.0 update for my phone, but never did even after confirmation

All Android devices need continued os and bug fix updates

http://www.facebook.com/motorola?sk=wall&filter=1 click the link people like it and comment on it.
I have seen first hand proof of this working. I had an evo 3d. Htc decided all futre devices would have locked bootliaders well that made alot of people angry. Someone posted a thread on xda suggesting we let htc know that is not gna fly. So it turnd out thousands of people got on there facebook wall and twitter. Guess what the next day htc released a statement saying that they wanted too keep there coustamers happy and that the bootloader would be unlocked. They were. Id like to be able too have a device and not have too get a new one juzt because moto or htc or sammy wants too put them out constantly get people too buy them and then ditch them and out out another. The atrix is 100 percent capable of runing ics and theres no excuae for it l not too recieve it just because moto wants people too buy new devices every couple months. I know many many people feel the same way well as i said we have the power too change that if people would stop bickering and take it seriously. And also if moto started supporting devices longer not just bug fixes but the new android flavors. Id definately make my next device a moto it would do nothing but benefit them

Why are we discussing/petitioning something that we don't know? Has it been set in stone that manufacturers will not support us anymore or is this all stemming from paranoia?

Because it is the trend. And the atrix 2 has been released already. All the manufactures with the exception of sammy have been doing this more and more lately abandoning. Devices. And pumping out new ones. At a very fast pace

So you are saying they are not going to support the atrix anymore since they released the atrix 2? I'd rather wait till this actually happens before i draw a conclusion. e.g. when ICS gets released and they say they are not going to update the atrix.

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So you are saying they are not going to support the atrix anymore since they released the atrix 2? I'd rather wait till this actually happens before i draw a conclusion. e.g. when ICS gets released and they say they are not going to update the atrix.
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Look at the original Incredible.
My wife's one has been turned to **** since the 2.3.4 update, and nothing from HTC, and Verizon pretty much said too bad so sad. Buy another phone or deal with it.
So yes, support will be dropped for older models whether you like to assumed it or not.

Papi4baby said:
Look at the original Incredible.
My wife's one has been turned to **** since the 2.3.4 update, and nothing from HTC, and Verizon pretty much said too bad so sad. Buy another phone or deal with it.
So yes, support will be dropped for older models whether you like to assumed it or not.
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No it is obvious support is going to be dropped for old models. But he is implying that models released this year will not get support.

I think for every $10 a phone costs over $50 on launch day (on contract) is how many months it should be updated for. So a $300 phone should be kept updated for 25 months. So this would either keep phone prices lower or keep them updated.

Facebook is a poor way of getting the attention of corporations. You want them to change? Buy a nexus phone. Money talks.

Kailkti said:
No it is obvious support is going to be dropped for old models. But he is implying that models released this year will not get support.
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I think ICS only has support for Armv7 currently, so phones with those SoCs will get updated. However, phones using custom UIs will experience a longer waiting time, maybe around early Q1 of 2012. HTC has released like 1000 phones in the last few months and I doubt most will get ICS soon, not sure if Moto will bother at all. But it might be better to wait and actually see what goes down, like you said.

Has HTC in fact locked a boot loader or withheld hardware drivers?
I intend for my next phone to be HTC just because of the hell Samsung put us though trying to get GB on the i9000.

Handsome Rob said:
Has HTC in fact locked a boot loader or withheld hardware drivers?
I intend for my next phone to be HTC just because of the hell Samsung put us though trying to get GB on the i9000.
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HTC new phones i believe i read come locked.
You can unlock them direct with HTC, but you loose all warranty. As per HTC.

Papi4baby said:
HTC new phones i believe i read come locked.
You can unlock them direct with HTC, but you loose all warranty. As per HTC.
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As I understand it, you lose all ROM related warranty, so for instance if your screen fails then you're still covered.

Motorola unlocking bootloaders ??
you should check this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1316722

I had a motorola xt720.... not the best phone..but was ok. Motorola decided to stop supporting it within 4 months of launch or something stupid like that. No new updates no nothing. And still insisted on the bootloader staying locked so the dev's found it alot harder to do their job for them.
I will never ever buy a motorola product again.
The market is fairly competitive ... don't buy from companies that pull this crap

4.3 for US pushed back

The US carrier variants will not be receiving the 4.3 update this month. While they haven't confirmed that it won't be receiving it this month, they said that ONLY THE DEVELOPER EDITION would be getting it this week.
http://phandroid.com/2013/09/23/android-43-htc-one-developer-edition/
What do you guys think?
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syed239 said:
The US carrier variants will not be receiving the 4.3 update this month. While they haven't confirmed that it won't be receiving it this month, they said that ONLY THE DEVELOPER EDITION would be getting it this week.
http://phandroid.com/2013/09/23/android-43-htc-one-developer-edition/
What do you guys think?
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I think they September fooled us they should of said that in the first place instead of getting people excited for 4.3 for this month. Guess we have to wait till the end of the year or probably next year lost hope for updates on this phone no 4.2 and probably not 4.3 either once 4.4 is released they would want to skip 4.3 a go for 4.4 who knows hahaa... this is just funny in my opinion :laugh:

I kinda figured it out that we weren't getting it because of the Max being released with it and it's bad marketing strategy to give it to an older phone at the same time. I'm estimating three months at least, sad to say. :'(
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Check out @jasonmacHTC's Tweet: https://twitter.com/JasonMacHTC/status/382228249151287296
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One mans opinion here. Bottom line, HTC and Sprint dont like us here at XDA. We take what they release and make it better and it pi$$es them off because it nakes em look bad.They know if they promise an update release that developement will slow down due to our devs waiting on that release. I dont think it has anythung to do with marketing strategies or anything else. The just hold back to keep us in limbo. Appreciate it or disguard it, its just my opinion.
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If you're going to announce an update, you best make damn sure you're releasing it on time. I can't believe I keep eating up this sh*t. Checking xda everyday... God, I wish I could use the next nexus on sprint...
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Quick crying people. I'm sure it will be here soon. Not next year, not 3 months lol

Why is it one of the most popular flagship devices is so far behind others and dated phones for updates in the U. S.
You can try and blame it on sprint but as it stands it's all carriers in US so I say the blame goes to HTC for dragging feet. Kitkat will be out before we see 4.3, great way to go on a flagship device HTC
On a flagship one would think they wouldn't skip other updates like 4.2, which would have made the transition to 4.3 seem less timely.
I hate it when company's announce releases and can't make the date, why announce if you know chances are slim? HTC can suck it!!!!

fr0st420 said:
Quick crying people. I'm sure it will be here soon. Not next year, not 3 months lol
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I'll go ahead and say that since they fooled us with "by the end of September" and then clarified on which version of the phone they were releasing it on, we probably won't see it until end of November, possibly December.

fr0st420 said:
Quick crying people. I'm sure it will be here soon. Not next year, not 3 months lol
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Ya it's odd people are pissed when they spend 700 on of the most popular phones and it see an updates 6 months after release and the new Kitkat gets released before the flagship phone. Especially with phone technology when 6-12 months and the phone is almost outdated anyways lol.
It's not like they announced by September's end for all us carriers by end of September. Am sure some purchased the one based on that statement too.

drlzanej said:
One mans opinion here. Bottom line, HTC and Sprint dont like us here at XDA. We take what they release and make it better and it pi$$es them off because it nakes em look bad.They know if they promise an update release that developement will slow down due to our devs waiting on that release. I dont think it has anythung to do with marketing strategies or anything else. The just hold back to keep us in limbo. Appreciate it or disguard it, its just my opinion.
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There's a little flaw in your reasoning though. The number of Sprint One owners on here deving or just unlocking and customizing thier phones is very small when compared to the number of GSM One users. They are worldwide. If HTC were so mad about the dev community then they would stick them without the update.
The number of people on XDA relative the number of people using phones is very small. Maybe 1% of total HTC One owners worldwide come onto XDA.
The total number of Ones sold worldwide is more than 5 million (as of May 2013). According to the XDA forum there are 2.5 million registered users on XDA and the most ever on at one time is just 95,000. That is people for all phone models. I always think it seems like everyone is flashing thier phone and playing around like me, but the reality is very few do it. Almost to the point that the OEMs don't pay a whole lot of attention to the dev community.

naturecannon said:
Ya it's odd people are pissed when they spend 700 on of the most popular phones and it see an updates 6 months after release and the new Kitkat gets released before the flagship phone. Especially with phone technology when 6-12 months and the phone is almost outdated anyways lol.
It's not like they announced by September's end for all us carriers by end of September. Am sure some purchased the one based on that statement too.
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Nature is spot on with his statement. Granted, I have patience, and I understand that I will have to wait longer, but coming on Twitter and saying they're working on getting certifications from carriers to release this update before the end of September, then tell us at the end of September that a non carrier branded One is getting the update is pretty much a slap in the face. And if they're waiting for certifications from ALL of the carriers before releasing it, that's just dumb as well. They should've been working on this a long time ago. We're on 4.1.2, and 4.4 is going to be released before we get it. This pretty much means that we will once again have a phone that DOES NOT have the latest version of Android.

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There's a little flaw in your reasoning though. The number of Sprint One owners on here deving or just unlocking and customizing thier phones is very small when compared to the number of GSM One users. They are worldwide. If HTC were so mad about the dev community then they would stick them without the update.
The number of people on XDA relative the number of people using phones is very small. Maybe 1% of total HTC One owners worldwide come onto XDA.
The total number of Ones sold worldwide is more than 5 million (as of May 2013). According to the XDA forum there are 2.5 million registered users on XDA and the most ever on at one time is just 95,000. That is people for all phone models. I always think it seems like everyone is flashing thier phone and playing around like me, but the reality is very few do it. Almost to the point that the OEMs don't pay a whole lot of attention to the dev community.
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Thank you for the input on that, very valid points you made there. I wasnt just speaking for the 0ne tho, i was refering to the community as a whole. I should probably been more distinct about that. Thanks
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I already said fk it and installed latest cm 10.2 nightly I don't care anymore lol
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Lets just hope for a port from the DE HTC One.
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I think HTC has more pressing matters right now with the Nokia patent infringement lawsuit. They have struggled to gain market share, and this certainly won't help.

eXplicit815 said:
Nature is spot on with his statement. Granted, I have patience, and I understand that I will have to wait longer, but coming on Twitter and saying they're working on getting certifications from carriers to release this update before the end of September, then tell us at the end of September that a non carrier branded One is getting the update is pretty much a slap in the face. And if they're waiting for certifications from ALL of the carriers before releasing it, that's just dumb as well. They should've been working on this a long time ago. We're on 4.1.2, and 4.4 is going to be released before we get it. This pretty much means that we will once again have a phone that DOES NOT have the latest version of Android.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45741479#post45741479
Irony. Basically calling someone a hypocrite for complaining about slow updates then assuming they would praise it once released, then turn around and complain about it yourself. You're awesome! :good::good:

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HTC may not give all everyone wants when they want it. I agree this sucks. I am as impatient as anyone. At least they don't make their phone turn off the camera if you unlock it like Sony does. Of all the major manufacturers isn't HTC the most liberal with their products? FYI ,some years ago I was told (in a phone conversation) by a VP of HTC that their engineers are on XDA every day. They know how we feel. Keep in mind that they sell phones not updates. They have to think with 5 million in sales the ONE will sell just like it is. Now they are making new models to sell. I saw the ONE on sale yesterday on Amazon for .01cent. Most people don't have an idea about software in their phones. Look at the idiots waiting in line all night for an I Phone when we know the ONE is a better phone. How many software updates does Apple put out in a year?

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45741479#post45741479
Irony. Basically calling someone a hypocrite for complaining about slow updates then assuming they would praise it once released, then turn around and complain about it yourself. You're awesome! :good::good:
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I'm not complaining. I'm stating an opinion on the misleading statement. I have patience and can wait, that's not a problem. If you notice, the people who are really complaining are those who are saying "Well, this will be my last HTC device" or "Samsung, here I come." But as soon as they get the update, it's a 180. I'm staying with HTC regardless.

Im upset because the misleading statements that were made and because a HTC rep that comes in to work straight lied to my face. The phone is a amazing phone as is the update is just an extra I bought this phone as is and will continue to praise HTC for the good work they did but making empty promises won't get them ahead.
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