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Nexus 4 or Xperia T/TL

Hi all.
So I currently have a Galaxy Nexus on Verizon. My intent has been to cancel my VZW contract and buy an unlocked Nexus device, back when rumors were that we would see multiple Nexus devices from Sony, HTC, Samsung, and LG.
When the Xperia range was announced I was extremely impressed and was holding out hopes for an Xperia Nexus.
With everything announced about the Nexus 4, I am not entirely convinced it's the device I want. I have a Nexus 7 so I'll have the benefit of the newest Android version on release, but I wanted to know if the developer support of the T or TL would be active enough to get Cyanogen Mod or AOKP updates timely? I can live without a Nexus phone if I can expect a new CM or AOKP build within a month or two, but not if I have to rely entirely on Sony for updates.
What do you think? Should I pick up the T or TL? How is the dev support for each?
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TL will have a locked bootloader
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If you are not a Sony fan like me then definitely Nexus 4!

Id say dev community for the newest xperia phone isn't too strong look at the xperia ion or S ..
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I'll be switching phone to the Asus Padfone 2 or Galaxy Note 2.
But I am really interested in the LG Nexus 4 as it's really a cheaper than most of the high ends phone in the UK anyways (£399). Only downside is 16gb, if they released a 32gb, i'll defo get it!

Totally happy with the unbranded T though. Best phone I've owned
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Thank you all form the candid advice. I'm a bit disappointed - had my heart set on a Sony Nexus, love their hardware design, but it looks like I'll be picking up the Nexus 4. Looks rather uninspiring, but maybe it will win me over in person.
Thanks for the advice!
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Just for everyone expecting a Sony Nexus, they said at IFA that it'd be extremely (extremely) unlikely for them to release one. On the hardware side Sony's profit margin on the Xperia's is rather low and they're pushing their services and integration with other Sony products really hard (Music Unlimited, Video Unlimited, PlayMemories, PS Suite, Sony Select app store, ...).
Releasing a Sony Nexus at a sharp price would mean a pretty much complete lack of Sony's strong points: their ecosystem and their software.
For me especially Sony's software is a major selling point for their phones. Sure, it's not the latest Android version, but who the hell cares? The things Sony adds on top of a clean AOSP build are so much better than a few version jumps. You get the best music player available for Android by far (Walkman), an awesome camera UI, a skin that looks nice without getting boring (unlike AOSP Android), a totally epic Album application and I can go on. Everything Sony's done in their software builds is really nice and provides a lot of value over a clean Android in my opinion.
But it's your decision of course. If you prefer AOSP over Sony's Android then by all means go for a Nexus, you'll love it!

In reality you can not make your final decision till you see the actual Nexus phones in Google' upcoming event which was cancelled? If I recall correctly, we were suppose to have few nexus phones this year? Or, Google said that Vanilla android in more devices?
Anyways, only reason I choose all Nexus family on Sony or other devices is their update time and more development but I have never been impressed by their design and I hope that Sony picks on a Nexus phone with Vanilla android and Google supports it. You call it anything you like.

papped said:
Totally happy with the unbranded T though. Best phone I've owned
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Completely agree, and this is my first Sony. Primarily held HTC devices in the past.
Also, the Nexus 4 is basically the LG phone, which would scare the hell out of me right away. I had an LG G2x, and had is not a strong enough word to describe how quickly I dropped it. My daughter uses it now, and I feel sorry for her.

Hi all,
Believe me, I am wary of LG and have not had good hardware experience with them through any friends phones, and designs are uninspiring. I will reserve judgement until I see it in person, but I may just buy a GSM GNex and dump my VZW contract if I don't find it satisfactory.
I am turned off of anything on Verizon due to their lengthy update delays and horrible battery life from CDMA. I feel that their delays are deliberate and made in their own interest - which they are well within their rights to do, but I can also take my money elsewhere. The VZW logo on the GNote just reinforces it.
I love AOSP Android, and CyanogenMod/AOKP customization, and run it on my N7, GNex, and GS2 on ATT.
But -I love Sony's hardware design, specs, and build quality - and I could live without having AOSP from Google the moment it was released, as long as it has decent dev support and CM10/AOKP devs working on it with prompt release. This is really the only thing holding me back from jumping on the Sony wagon, I just feel they have a huge missed opportunity by not wanting to release a Nexus.
A locked bootloader is a no-go for me - especially as I intend to buy it SIM unlocked.
I wouldn't mind Sony pushing their Xperia stuff and ecosystem, as long as they had quick release of drivers/binaries to allow dev support. But if its not there, I can't buy it.
I suppose I have to hold out hope that the LG is not as bad as it looks or as I expect.
Fingers crossed!
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Get the Nexus 4. £280 for the 16GB. Really! That's the cheapest high-end phone i've seen to date!

I never thought I would even consider owning a LG product in my life. Google has changed it for me!!!! Damn, I will miss Sony phones until they catch up in keeping us with latest OS updates or comes with extraordinary design and build quality.

Note that the nexus 4 will not have LTE. It pretty much has everything else but LTE.
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DdcCabuslay said:
Note that the nexus 4 will not have LTE. It pretty much has everything else but LTE.
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Also no sdcard

MrPhilo said:
Get the Nexus 4. £280 for the 16GB. Really! That's the cheapest high-end phone i've seen to date!
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... it's an LG. Mention of questionable build quality out of Sony really baffles me at this point, I've had both LG and HTC, and the Sony blows them away, IMHO of course.

charlatan01 said:
... it's an LG. Mention of questionable build quality out of Sony really baffles me at this point, I've had both LG and HTC, and the Sony blows them away, IMHO of course.
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Not even the fact that it's LG, just the price they are asking versus the specs... The low price had to come from somewhere... It's not like they're selling it at a loss or anything.

On the dev support thing. CM10 support is now official. After the new milestone aokp will be asked to add it. Paranoid android is official. Any other ROMs that you are interested in?
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tilal6991 said:
On the dev support thing. CM10 support is now official. After the new milestone aokp will be asked to add it. Paranoid android is official. Any other ROMs that you are interested in?
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Thats great news.
Official cyanogenmod "mint" page is here

I'm not touching xperia tl. Was dying from it's found a while but, low dev support and locked bootloaders is a deal breaker for me.
If I'm going to be stuck with outdated android versions it may as we have quad core potential.
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[Q] xperia t vs nexus 4 or htc x one +

I've been offered a couple of deals on some phone by o2 , my question is would owners of the xperia T pay a extra £100 to have a nexus 4 or one x plus .
Also does the UK have the jelly bean up date yet???

I also had the nexus 4 for a month and then sold it instead of my TX(almost same as T). I felt my TX is more well-built and felt nicer with the hands, the thinness of TX really makes a difference for me. Only advantage of N4 is the more smooth and fluid experience due to JB software but that would come to T/TX this coming March as well so...
And the display really made the decision for me, viewing an identical photo and an identical hd YouTube video is far more pleasing with the TX compared to nexus 4 when I compared it side by side. The vibrant and sharpness colors in TX is really better than nexus 4.
And my wife got one x (which has same display with one x+), it beats the other 2 in my opinion, tiny bit better than TX but the nexus 4 got no chance.
So if screen factor doesn't bother you much, and not to mention the sd card slot(T/TX), just go for nexus 4. Otherwise, go for T/TX or One X+.
Tapatalked from my TX

Rycon33 said:
And my wife got one x (which has same display with one x+), it beats the other 2 in my opinion, tiny bit better than TX but the nexus 4 got no chance.
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You've been blinded by the fact that you own one, especially if you have one without the opticontrast screen. The HOX screen is much, much better than any other 720p screen on the market, miles ahead over the one on the XT. It's even better than the one on the Galaxy S3 imo.

Geo2160 said:
You've been blinded by the fact that you own one, especially if you have one without the opticontrast screen. The HOX screen is much, much better than any other 720p screen on the market, miles ahead over the one on the XT. It's even better than the one on the Galaxy S3 imo.
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That's pretty much what I said LoL, HTC one x display is better than the 2.
Tapatalked from my TX

@Rycon: It's not just a tiny bit better, the difference is night and day, especially when it comes to viewing angles.
@OP: Go for the Nexus 4 unless you really need SD card support.

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@Rycon: It's not just a tiny bit better, the difference is night and day, especially when it comes to viewing angles.
@OP: Go for the Nexus 4 unless you really need SD card support.
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Yeah my GF has a One X and I have viewing angle jealousy, in fact general screen jealousy, the One X's screen is the best that I have seen on any phone, ever. That is until you press on the sides that is or it cooks itself.
The only plus point is I can see what's on her screen but she can't see mine
The other two devices should both have an unlockable bootloader (not certain about the One X on O2) and the Nexus is a Nexus so that goes without saying. However if you get an Xperia T from O2 it will have a non-unlockable bootloader (for the time being anyway).
FYI nowhere has Jelly Bean yet, there are rumours and screenshots of a supposed JB update but nobody on these forums has it yet officially or unofficially.

One X has better screen than one X+, they are not the same. I would choose Nexus 4 too, if u dont need sd, like they said above me
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I had a one X and would LOVE a One X+
I lost my one X in Paris (damn you travel insurance that doesn't cover mobile phones...!!!!)
I then got an Xperia T.
My biggest gripe with the Xperia compared to the one X is simply down to less development in relation to the One X on these forums.
Camera - Sony wins hands down
Screen - One X wins hands down
for actual use, both handsets are pretty comparable however I believe the one X has quad core compared to the double core -> will benchmark higher, but for real time usage, both similar.
Would I pay an extra £100 and have the One X+? probably - but am a tech junkie
If i didnt have the urge to flash new builds when available, I probably would say keep the £100 and get the Xperia
Nexus - haven't used, but have read operating it is a beast, but camera it is iphone level

Does the OX+ have that much development either? I don't think it has CM10/10.1 yet as far as I remember.
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tilal6991 said:
Does the OX+ have that much development either? I don't think it has CM10/10.1 yet as far as I remember.
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fair point, went to ox+ android and was barer than here.
isn't it just upgrade from onex? can't imagine would take much to amend the roms/kernels accordingly

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So if screen factor doesn't bother you much, and not to mention the sd card slot(T/TX), just go for nexus 4.
Tapatalked from my TX[/QUOTE]
The T has 64 gb sd card support...so whats up with the sd card for the T?
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Apologies, I thought you argueing the other way. Any phone with no SD card expansion slot is not worth it...so its a no brainer for me!

Xperia T vs LG optimus 4x

Hi ,
Need some help to choose between the Xperia T or the LG optimus 4x. Getting both phones at same price of 480$ ( Rs 26K INR) .
Reasons why i want to go for Xperia T
- Better looking phone
- Slightly smaller
- Good screen
Reasons why i want to go for LG 4x
- quad core
- ips screen
- better battery
The only reason i'm hesitant to get the Xperia T was the back paint peeling off but later i saw that that was an issue with only a particular batch.
The xperia T also looks much better than the brick shaped 4x but performance wise 4x is better.
Camera on the other hand is better on the T but i dont use the cam a lot anyway.
Also even though the 4x is bigger it is lighter than the T.
Need to decide which one to buy before 30th of this month! Any help/ inputs will be appreciated!:fingers-crossed:

LG 4x is alot slower than T. I have compared them once. If you dont actualy want teh best battery life. Then go for teh T. And just get a case to prevent peeling

Seriously? I wouldn't consider a LG Device in my wildest dreams

Of course everybody in this section will recommend getting the XT, as will everybody on the 4X section recommend getting the LG. BTW, tegra 3 is in some cases slower than the Krait SoC on the XT, especially on a badly optimized device like the 4X. It's GPU is better though . If you really want tegra 3 or a better screen than the one on the Xperia T, you should go for the HTC One X.
If you are concerned about the coating peeling off, just get a silicone case. You should get one anyway.

Higgins12 said:
Seriously? I wouldn't consider a LG Device in my wildest dreams
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My current device is an LG optimus one and it is quite awesome. Dev is great for the device and i've even put windows 95 one it once just for fun! I've even bricked it a few times Its been 2 more than 2 years with the device and its great but now its time for me to upgrade so yes i would trust LG and the community is always great for these phones
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Of course everybody in this section will recommend getting the XT, as will everybody on the 4X section recommend getting the LG. BTW, tegra 3 is in some cases slower than the Krait SoC on the XT, especially on a badly optimized device like the 4X. It's GPU is better though . If you really want tegra 3 or a better screen than the one on the Xperia T, you should go for the HTC One X.
If you are concerned about the coating peeling off, just get a silicone case. You should get one anyway.
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Cool will get a silicone case. Not really focused on GPU coz i'am not an avid mobile gamer ( DOTA 2 and BF3 are all i need )
The HTC one X and Samsung S3 start from 560 US$ ( Rs 30k INR ) and are above what i wan't to spend :angel:

A powerful GPU is not good only for gaming, but also for future-proofing. It seems that android is relying more and more on the GPU in the UI (hardware acceleration in ICS, project butter in JB)

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A powerful GPU is not good only for gaming, but also for future-proofing. It seems that android is relying more and more on the GPU in the UI (hardware acceleration in ICS, project butter in JB)
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Hmm that makes sense. So if the LG is more future proof i'm guessing its a better choice but somehow i don't know for some reason i'm still preferring the Xperia T. Maybe that's why i asked the question in this forum and not the LG one because i wanted a biased opinion ( i should be a shrink! )

The GPU in the Krait (Adreno 225) is not a slouch by any means. It's also identical to the one in the Nexus 4 (correct me if I'm wrong) so no worries about future proofing.

tilal6991 said:
The GPU in the Krait (Adreno 225) is not a slouch by any means. It's also identical to the one in the Nexus 4 (correct me if I'm wrong) so no worries about future proofing.
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No nexus 4 has Adreno 320 . Anyway most people are suggesting the LG 4x over at the device suggestion thread

Most people (especially in the US) haven't heard about the Xperia T. There are a lot of Samsung and HTC and LG. fans in that forum
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Get the Xperia T. Atleast it has good updates unlike the 4X which is probably going to get JB in the end of this year. Also, it has locked bootloader which means no custom roms.
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crazymister said:
Most people (especially in the US) haven't heard about the Xperia T. There are a lot of Samsung and HTC and LG. fans in that forum
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Haha going to keep that in mind
kaspar737 said:
Get the Xperia T. Atleast it has good updates unlike the 4X which is probably going to get JB in the end of this year. Also, it has locked bootloader which means no custom roms.
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LG providing unlocked bootloader ( confirmed !) for the 4X with the next JB update it receives.

rishi_storm said:
LG providing unlocked bootloader ( confirmed !) for the 4X with the next JB update it receives.
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And since it's probably never going to see a JB update, it won't get an unlocked bootloader either.

LG 4X HD with no Jelly bean and no update
and bootloader is lock ! and never become unlock !!!!!!!
i hate lg phones
sry for my bad En

I owned the LG 4x HD but sold it bcz it wasn't unlocked yet and no ROM's.
Xperia T sure got better build then the LG 4X HD, but the screen for sure is better with LG. What about the processor don't know it seems as fast as the Xperia T.
I think price and specs the LG 4x HD is a very good deal and you have a quad core if that really matters bcz I don't think it matters right now.
What make me buy a phone is sure the design and that's where the Xperia T take the edge over almost all smartphones !!!
Build quality of LG looks very cheap with the backcover that's from cheap plastic feel, mybe with another backcover it would be much better.
ALso the layout is very basic and clean but you can customize little bit with widgets and stuff and if the phone had great support of developers it would be sure a good phone to have .....
I will keep it with my Xperia T and it's arc design to bad it isn't has thin as the arc was.

[Q] Considering switching from moto g to sony xperia SP?

Is it a ridiculous decision to exchange moto g for sony xperia SP ??? i like the looks of the SP

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Not at all! It depends of what you need: if you want a larger screen, a faster CPU (I think that S4 pro dual is faster than S400), if you don't care to have the last android updates like kit kat and you are ready to put the difference of100$ in a xperia,
You've got the shining illumination bar and so on after that my little deception is the weight but I accepted it long time ago
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Please no...
Horrible idea, It's considered a downgrade more than an upgrade. The SP only has a better GPU. Stick with the G for now, if you really like Sony, wait for the Xperia G to come out (a new mid-range phone) I own an SP but I wouldn't recommend buying it now, maybe last year but now, definatly not. Also it weighs a ton which is one of it's bigger flaws.

SubZeroS2 said:
Horrible idea, It's considered a downgrade more than an upgrade. The SP only has a better GPU. Stick with the G for now, if you really like Sony, wait for the Xperia G to come out (a new mid-range phone) I own an SP but I wouldn't recommend buying it now, maybe last year but now, definatly not. Also it weighs a ton which is one of it's bigger flaws.
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This phone is incredibly fast though and it only improved when 4.3 came out
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noahvt said:
This phone is incredibly fast though and it only improved when 4.3 came out
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It is fast, and I like my SP but I would never recommend anyone to buy it now where there are cheaper devices that perform better (moto G)
It is still a dual core after all.

well the dual core krait in the SP is much faster than the moto G and it has better gpu, the camera's are on par, but only because of the terrible software on the xsp, the battery in the sp trumps the G and not to mention the LED strip on the XSP. wait till the xperia G comes out, now thats gonna be one heck of a phone

Get Xperia ZR

Xperia Sp - Nexus 5

Hi guys, i just now can to exchange my xperia sp for nexus5 (need to add 130 euros more) is it worth?
I think that this would be nice? Any suggestion? Thanks anyway!

I would say so but others will disagree the nexus 5 was my first choice but I couldn't afford it.
Programming is a race between engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

If you look at spec and updates I'd say go with N5. But the XSP is also a very good device. Just a bit (very) slow with updates from Sony sometimes

KiaTheKing said:
Hi guys, i just now can to exchange my xperia sp for nexus5 (need to add 130 euros more) is it worth?
I think that this would be nice? Any suggestion? Thanks anyway!
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Nexus 5 without any questions

Im changing my SP with locked BL to moto G, if I can spend more money I'll go for an n5.
Never more to sony, only clean android devices like this moto and nexus, and custom rom.
Maybe in couple months I will find some extra money to change phone to n5 or newer (5,5" n6 would be awesome)

binniebin said:
Im changing my SP with locked BL to moto G, if I can spend more money I'll go for an n5.
Never more to sony, only clean android devices like this moto and nexus, and custom rom.
Maybe in couple months I will find some extra money to change phone to n5 or newer (5,5" n6 would be awesome)
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Nooooo.Go for nexus or stay on xperia.Xperia SP is better than moto g!
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KiaTheKing said:
Nooooo.Go for nexus or stay on xperia.Xperia SP is better than moto g!
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Well maybe benchmarks says that SP is better, but software is crap (lag, freezing and slow IO), it would be wonderfull to have unlockable bootloader, but its impossible on my one (orange carrier). I had nexus 7 and it make 18k on antutu after customization, multitasking was great and all creativity, SP got 23,500 but its much slower in multitasking and overall usage.
Package arrived, but I will test new toy after work :good:

binniebin said:
Well maybe benchmarks says that SP is better, but software is crap (lag, freezing and slow IO), it would be wonderfull to have unlockable bootloader, but its impossible on my one (orange carrier). I had nexus 7 and it make 18k on antutu after customization, multitasking was great and all creativity, SP got 23,500 but its much slower in multitasking and overall usage.
Package arrived, but I will test new toy after work :good:
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LOL!
Just go back to 4.1.2!
I never change my XSP for Moto G or similiar!

MixoMaxoViper said:
LOL!
Just go back to 4.1.2!
I never change my XSP for Moto G or similiar!
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Im not buying new device to downgrade software
On N7 multitasking still was lot better than stock 4.1.2 on SP

I strongly advice anyone against buying a Sony device. Slow updates and when you finally get one it's crap... again... I'm so frustrated by the SP, but unfortunately I don't have the money to get another device right now. If you can buy the nexus 5... do it! Otherwise the Moto G is a good option too. I said this before and people started ranting at me because the SP was much better in their opinion, but I've tested the Moto G and I liked it better than the SP. It even had 4.4 long before Sony started rolling out 4.3! And it has less annoying bugs which gives a better overall user experience.
Like binniebin said, you need the software to go with the hardware otherwise the hardware is nothing. If only Sony could make decent firmware :crying:
If you can have a very sexy and beautiful girl with Double D's if that's your thing, but she is stupid as a cow which drives you crazy after a while OR you can have a still very beautiful girl, but with a little smaller (you know what I mean)'s and she'll do almost everything as you want because she is smart(er) and understands you... You'd be better off with the second one eventhough people say she is less hot.
Yet another another anology: You can better have 150 horsepower in a lightweight streamlined car than 200 horsepower in a heavy old scrapheap which has the aerodynamic characteristics of a brick wall because the lightweight will be more fun... But well maybe that's just my opinion....

KiaTheKing said:
Hi guys, i just now can to exchange my xperia sp for nexus5 (need to add 130 euros more) is it worth?
I think that this would be nice? Any suggestion? Thanks anyway!
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Better option is to exchange Xperia SP for Nexus 4 and take some cache. :laugh:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=5048&idPhone2=5364
Same resolution, quad core on N4 and 2Gb RAM plus 50€ or more on your pocket.
Plus, you will always have latest available Android and many custom ROMs
You can see for example on ebay.de that Xperia SP is sold in auctions for around 170€
while Nexus 4 you can buy for 120€
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freedom74 said:
Better option is to exchange Xperia SP for Nexus 4 and take some cache. :laugh:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=5048&idPhone2=5364
Same resolution, quad core on N4 and 2Gb RAM plus 50€ or more on your pocket.
Plus, you will always have latest available Android and many custom ROMs
You can see for example on ebay.de that Xperia SP is sold in auctions for around 170€
while Nexus 4 you can buy for 120€
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The nexus 4 does not support 4G which is a big attraction to the xperia SP
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Captain Sweatpants said:
The nexus 4 does not support 4G which is a big attraction to the xperia SP
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Since @KiaTheKing is from Belgrade, Serbia (like me) :cyclops:
I don't think that would be the issue since 4G here is still not introduced

freedom74 said:
Since @KiaTheKing is from Belgrade, Serbia (like me) :cyclops:
I don't think that would be the issue since 4G here is still not introduced
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Oh well in that case go for a n4 I almost did and UK does have 4G
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@freedom74 haha taj fazon al ne znam.bolje da sacekam Jos malo da nexus 5 stigne kod nas pa da kupim Sorry for this, something on our language
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