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Issue: Getting MMS to work without a data plan. **Let's build support!!**

I know this has been asked 4082340238923 times probably, but nobody has asked this question exactly the way I want to, nor has anybody really given a technical answer to this isn't possible, which I'd find hard to believe anyway. Why can't MMS messages be sent without the data plan?? Is there some way to route MMS messaging through the same manor that SMS messages are received?
Nearly every other phone I've used didn't require a data plan to send them. I think it is ridiculous, especially when it comes down to dealing with two different technologies/protocols.
With people like Cyanogen, JAC, Drizzy, Stericson, Twisted, Ccyrowski, Barak, and androidspin, development of moded roms has greatly progressed. I'm shocked that this hasn't been brought up and that any solution, even if one that required wifi hasn't been found. I just want to know what we are dealing with here and to possibly build support for this concern in the community.

cephasara said:
I know this has been asked 4082340238923 times probably, but nobody has asked this question exactly the way I want to, nor has anybody really given a technical answer to this isn't possible, which I'd find hard to believe anyway. Why can't MMS messages be sent without the data plan?? Is there some way to route MMS messaging through the same manor that SMS messages are received?
Nearly every other phone I've used didn't require a data plan to send them. I think it is ridiculous, especially when it comes down to dealing with two different technologies/protocols.
With people like Cyanogen, JAC, Drizzy, Stericson, Twisted, Ccyrowski, Barak, and androidspin, development of moded roms has greatly progressed. I'm shocked that this hasn't been brought up and that any solution, even if one that required wifi hasn't been found. I just want to know what we are dealing with here and to possibly build support for this concern in the community.
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MMS is sent through APN's... find the one that sends the mms and disable the rest or talk to your service provider

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MMS is sent through APN's... find the one that sends the mms and disable the rest or talk to your service provider
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Ah, I thought APNs were strictly for the data plan. I used APNdroid, which renames all of the APNs. Oddly enough I see one called "T-Mobile US", when I delete the extra characters APNdroid added to make it invalid, not only does MMS work but so does the entire data plan and I'm sure I get charged.
Even if there was a way to enable MMS through the APN's I'd probably get charged for it still.
Also, I can't talk to T-mobile because I'm sure they'll try to stick me on a data plan if they find I don't have one anyway, so I don't see that as an option.
What I'm asking is for a modification that changes the flow of traffic through wifi at least, if not something to get MMS working like it does through other phones with only a messaging/texting plan and no data plan.

cephasara said:
Ah, I thought APNs were strictly for the data plan. I used APNdroid, which renames all of the APNs. Oddly enough I see one called "T-Mobile US", when I delete the extra characters APNdroid added to make it invalid, not only does MMS work but so does the entire data plan and I'm sure I get charged.
Even if there was a way to enable MMS through the APN's I'd probably get charged for it still.
Also, I can't talk to T-mobile because I'm sure they'll try to stick me on a data plan if they find I don't have one anyway, so I don't see that as an option.
What I'm asking is for a modification that changes the flow of traffic through wifi at least, if not something to get MMS working like it does through other phones with only a messaging/texting plan and no data plan.
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u cant get it through wifi unfortunately (same reason that Visual Voicemail +tmo my account app doesnt work ) because that data is sent only through tmobile's data network. You can try to edit the apn's to only allow the mms messages to go through. i too use apndroid bcz i dont have a data plan, but i dont have mms.
Search online to find out how to edit the APN for mms for tmobile, so only mms comes through.
disable 3g so mms comes only through grps/edge
also, i know the hero roms allow u to turn off mobile data (though i still use apndroid)
dont flash the new spl unless youve flashed the newest radio!!! (just a disclaimer i have to add everytime i mention anything requiring it)

B-man007 said:
u cant get it through wifi unfortunately (same reason that Visual Voicemail +tmo my account app doesnt work ) because that data is sent only through tmobile's data network. You can try to edit the apn's to only allow the mms messages to go through. i too use apndroid bcz i dont have a data plan, but i dont have mms.
Search online to find out how to edit the APN for mms for tmobile, so only mms comes through.
disable 3g so mms comes only through grps/edge
also, i know the hero roms allow u to turn off mobile data (though i still use apndroid)
dont flash the new spl unless youve flashed the newest radio!!! (just a disclaimer i have to add everytime i mention anything requiring it)
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Well see, I haven't been able to find the correct APN setting to allow only MMS to go through. There use to be a way as mentioned by the user "dave" on this site, but T-mobile blocked it awhile ago: http://inportb.com/2008/12/29/using-a-g1-without-a-data-plan/#comment-436
So if I flashed to a Hero rom I should have support for both SMS and MMS without a data plan because Hero roms have an option to shut off the data connection?
What if I unlocked my phone and connected to an AT&T network using an AT&T APN, could I get MMS that way?
Sorry for my ignorance on any of these technicalities. I haven't seen any conclusion come to this issue, anywhere on the internet, in every android community I've been to so I want to find at least a feasible conclusion to this.

cephasara said:
Well see, I haven't been able to find the correct APN setting to allow only MMS to go through. There use to be a way as mentioned by the user "dave" on this site, but T-mobile blocked it awhile ago: http://inportb.com/2008/12/29/using-a-g1-without-a-data-plan/#comment-436
So if I flashed to a Hero rom I should have support for both SMS and MMS without a data plan because Hero roms have an option to shut off the data connection?
What if I unlocked my phone and connected to an AT&T network using an AT&T APN, could I get MMS that way?
Sorry for my ignorance on any of these technicalities. I haven't seen any conclusion come to this issue, anywhere on the internet, in every android community I've been to so I want to find at least a feasible conclusion to this.
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i dont know if it would work. i dont have a data plan nor mms. i dont see why i wouldnt work though. maybe someone will provide additional input
if you have tmobile, connecting to an ATT apn won't do you any good. the reason it has to be sent by tmobile is because its tmobiles data. att cannot access your MMS. The mms isnt sent through the regular internet, it is ONLY over mobile internet. there isnt anyway to find them online and have them downloaded. its like a phone call. you can't just find it online, its only on the carriers airwaves
EDIT: Try what dave said but with these settings
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm2...ex=4&navtypeid=6&pagetypeid=7&prevPageIndex=2

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i dont know if it would work. i dont have a data plan nor mms. i dont see why i wouldnt work though. maybe someone will provide additional input
if you have tmobile, connecting to an ATT apn won't do you any good. the reason it has to be sent by tmobile is because its tmobiles data. att cannot access your MMS. The mms isnt sent through the regular internet, it is ONLY over mobile internet. there isnt anyway to find them online and have them downloaded. its like a phone call. you can't just find it online, its only on the carriers airwaves
EDIT: Try what dave said but with these settings
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm2...ex=4&navtypeid=6&pagetypeid=7&prevPageIndex=2
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Well I tried that, and MMS worked but so did the rest of the internet. That's the problem--MMS will work but so does the internet, so I can't help think that I'm going to get charged for that. So does that mean I was connected to the mobile internet or the data plan? I'm confused with entering that data, This is what I did:
APN: wap.voicestream.com
Server: http://mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc
MMS proxy: 216.155.165.050
MCC: 310
MNC: 260
Is there a way somebody could create an application to help with this?? Maybe make a driver or whatever it would be called for WiFi to be used as an APN. I don't know, something to remedy this. Please! Thanks greatly for your help already, B-man.

@cephasara
do you have the data plan?

xP1GxB3N1Sx said:
@cephasara
do you have the data plan?
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No I don't. And probably connecting to the data network for short intervals like I am probably isn't a good idea, since I assume data usage adds up real quickly of which I'll get charged for.

well i dont see how you would get charged since you didnt sign up for the data package,
can you tell me which rom you are using and the settings your using
thanks

xP1GxB3N1Sx said:
well i dont see how you would get charged since you didnt sign up for the data package,
can you tell me which rom you are using and the settings your using
thanks
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Well I thought if you didn't have a data plan then you get charged by the megabyte. Am I wrong? Is there any way I can check without having T-mobile pushing one on me if I call them since it is suppose to be required?
And my settings are as described in my second to last post, I can use the default "T-mobile US" settings too which I think only varies by the "MMS port" which is 8080.
Originally I put my dad's SIM card in my phone to setup Android and he has the data plan. We're on a family plan. Maybe coming from a SIM with the data plan caused mine to glitch up, I really don't know.

you could check your tmobile account online
are you on cupcake 1.5, cyanogens, jacxrom ?
and if you do get to check your tmobile account online and there is no change
price wise then you should be good to go

xP1GxB3N1Sx said:
you could check your tmobile account online
are you on cupcake 1.5, cyanogens, jacxrom ?
and if you do get to check your tmobile account online and there is no change
price wise then you should be good to go
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Oh sorry, I'm using CyanogenMod v4.0.2
Well I just checked my account information and it says nothing about a data plan yet I'm able to connect to the internet just by the mentioned settings I used. When I click under "Billing & Payments" then click "Data" I get "There is no data use for this line.", so I guess I'm getting the data plan for free..
Still I would like to know how to send pictures without the data plan because I doubt this will last forever. And for whoever else may want MMS without having a data plan.

Well after learning a little more about this I figured out that I was obviously getting the data plan for free. I think T-Mobile was upgrading to 3G in my area or who knows why I had it free for that time, but since then it has stopped working.
I am still interested to know if anybody has luck with MMS without a data plan. I haven't been able to get MMS since the data plan stopped for me. And I'm starting to believe that Android pushes MMS through that data connection, so there would be no APN setting that would allow this to work right. But that is just my own rationalizing from experience, because the APN settings I had when I had that data network worked fine, and MMS messages were sent and received. Even after leaving them the same I am in able to send and receive MMS, but that's just my two cents back by own my trial and error, so anybody with actual logic of this situation, please, go ahead and let me know any more information about this!

getting MMS to work without data plan?

Anyone know how this is possible, ive read of older ideas but they do not work anymore...
Maybe we ned different apn settings?
My friend told me he recieved picture mail without the data plan when his phone switched to at&t up north...

sassyness77 said:
Anyone know how this is possible, ive read of older ideas but they do not work anymore...
Maybe we ned different apn settings?
My friend told me he recieved picture mail without the data plan when his phone switched to at&t up north...
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your friend probably caught a glitch... when i had a blackberry i could use the internet on it without a data plan or wifi, but everything else that came with the data plan didn't work.
however, i also didn't know you had to have the data plan for mms to work. i thought this came with the messaging plan? then again i use t-mobile. i take it your on at&t or something? i have a friend who has a g1 with no data plan and he sends me picture messages. (he's also on t-mobile)

im on t mobile. i have unlimited messaging but from day 1 could never send an mms or recieve one. there used to be a have with the apns but it doesnt work anymore.

sassyness77 said:
im on t mobile. i have unlimited messaging but from day 1 could never send an mms or recieve one. there used to be a have with the apns but it doesnt work anymore.
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waaaat? i've always got them without any data plan whatsoever. and i know the people who send them to me don't have one. maybe we're just lucky and i should shut my mouth before t-mobile finds out.
edit: dunno about mytouch, though. i've always had a data plan on this. but blackberry didn't need one and nor did any other phone. but all my other phones before blackberry weren't considered "smartphones."

weird...
yeah, i cant download the mms message, pressing the button to downlad does nothing...

sassyness77 said:
yeah, i cant download the mms message, pressing the button to downlad does nothing...
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like you can't see the picture you get? or it just tells you that you have a mms and you have to download? it never asks me anything like that. i've seen another person say that they can't download mms (even with data plan because of an error), but i just get the mms without clicking download.
maybe they don't actually have a data plan, though. people here seem to tend to leave out the most important details. i don't know how to help, though. i would have put money on it you could get a picture message without a data plan as long as you had texting.

are you sure you have a G1?! ha but i thought everone had to dowload the mms before you could actually see it. Thats all ive heard and if been trying to find the answer for a year and a half! I thought it was wierd that whe my friend when up north and it switched to AT&T he was able to recieve picture messages. I get a notification that says 0 new messages which is weird...but then i have the message in the thread with only a download button. i have an "mms notification" it says when i long press and click details on the message.

anyone?
Is there other people who can recieve mms without the data plan on t mobile?
I do have unllimited messaging, and i could recieve them on everyother phone i owned except my g1.

i have a mytouch, and no i never have to click download... i gust get a new msg and it has a little paper clip on it and it shows directly up... now thats for PICTURE... ones that have music or something i have to click download but as for pictures not once have i had to download... am i supposed to have to click download on picture? lol. that's odd as hell.

What's up everyone. If u have a g1 or my touch with tmobile and u don't have a data plan and u can send and receive mms please post ur apn settings. I think that's why we are here. Thanks.

im going to bump this thread because the issue hasnt been resolved yet

If you root a mytouch can you then use MMS again? I want to get the MyTouch slide but with no data plan.

i am having the same issue except sometimes i get the pics and sometimes i don't i think it depends on the size and maybe what network the sender is on. I changed some settings and started getting pics but when I tried it again i'm not getting them. still working on it. I have a G1

I have a G1 with the new prepaid plan and no data plan, i can recieve pictures and videos but i cant send any at all. Does anyone know why?

Your phone has to have a data connection to receive MMS. With MMS, the network basically sends your phone a special SMS message containing a URL and your phone then loads the URL to retrieve the full MMS message.
You shouldn't need a data plan to use MMS as your carrier should charge visits to that URL as MMS and not regular data usage, but you do still need your carrier's APN setup in your phone.

athakur999 said:
Your phone has to have a data connection to receive MMS. With MMS, the network basically sends your phone a special SMS message containing a URL and your phone then loads the URL to retrieve the full MMS message.
You shouldn't need a data plan to use MMS as your carrier should charge visits to that URL as MMS and not regular data usage, but you do still need your carrier's APN setup in your phone.
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So, what are the APN settings for T-mobile?

I have a similar problem, I get free mms from my carrier but to receive them I need to turn on data, If its off I receive a message with download button but it says: cant download atm, try again later. If I have data on it downloads perfectly. To do this you need to have 2 apns configured, one for net and one for mms, on your provider webpage there should be the configurations you need around the suport areas, or ask someone with same phone and carrier to copy them.
My problem is that I have a data plan, and so when I turn on the data it starts synchronizing, downloading mails etc... and wastes my limited badwidth.
Now I do remember on my stock phone I used to be able to grab mms with data off.. anyone have a clue about how to do it? or some app that blocks net but not the mms?

[Q] MMS no data plan

I have a 7mo old nephew and every now and then his parents send pictures of funny/cute stuff he does but I'm unable to receive them.
I get a download button but on wifi I can't retrieve it. I have data disabled because I don't have the $15/mo for a data plan.
I'd be willing to pay the $0.30/mms to be able to see the occasional pic.
Is there anyway I could disable auto update and background data and be able to turn on data when I get a pic from them and be able to get it without getting slapped with a data plan? <(really stupid policy of AT&T's)
I know I could with my non-smart phone (samsung eternity) but I don't know how to do that with the Samsung Captivate (cyanogenmod). I was told at&t does a sweep for smartphones w/out data and auto add it and the only way to avoid it was to keep data off at all times.
Also what MMS settings do I need? I'll admit to being a complete n00b on all this. thanks.
Thanks for any help!

You could try following the instructions on this post, down toward the bottom, to alter your APN settings for MMS only: http://androidforums.com/samsung-ga...y-s-gt-i9000-mms-internet-settings-t-apn.html
The problem is that MMS is sent over the data connection and not over WiFi, so you will have to turn your mobile data on make it work. The APN settings would appear to limit your traffic to MMS, but whether this would trigger AT&T's data plan policy, I have no clue. Personally, I wouldn't risk it.
As an alternative, they can send the MMS to your email address instead of your phone number and you could get it that way.

Is it possible to tell your family to send the pictures to your gmail account?
family
apbthe3 said:
You could try following the instructions on this post, down toward the bottom, to alter your APN settings for MMS only: http://androidforums.com/samsung-ga...y-s-gt-i9000-mms-internet-settings-t-apn.html
The problem is that MMS is sent over the data connection and not over WiFi, so you will have to turn your mobile data on make it work. The APN settings would appear to limit your traffic to MMS, but whether this would trigger AT&T's data plan policy, I have no clue. Personally, I wouldn't risk it.
As an alternative, they can send the MMS to your email address instead of your phone number and you could get it that way.
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After going by AT&T I found some mixed news:
Good: Our family unlimited messaging plan includes MMS.
Bad: AT&T detected last month that I have a smartphone (with data off) and added generously the $25/mo data plan w/out so much a text message.
I got them to drop it to the $15 plan and have to call customer service monday to see about getting a partial refund since I didn't use it.
On a semi related note: Since it looks like I may be getting a non-smartphone, what is a good touchscreen phone that does NOT require a data plan?
Thanks for all the help everyone

Of course they did. This is the most unfair rule ever; it's like AT&T telling you how you should use your phone. That sucks
I don't know anything about current phones that are out. I would just go to an AT&T store and play with them to find one you like.

Agreed. I understand that in the long run less people probably complain about a data plan than the accidental/negligent data charges that would probably happen but it's still unfair to give NO other option.
I swapped to my backup phone, the samsung eternity. Descent phone but screen is inaccurate, calendar function is tiresome and no threaded texting (good music though). I will look at what phones they have (including GoPhones) and then get one online, who wants to waste an upgrade on a lesser phone?
On a similar note, will Straight Talk or any other prepay phones work with AT&T sim? I know GoPhone will.
I plan to get the data removed and try for at least a partial credit for the last month of data I didn't use.
I may ebay the Captivate since who knows how long it may be till I can afford a data plan.

Swiched from Aria w/ Unlimited to Vivid, now no data???

Picked up a used Vivid off of Ebay from a large vendor that tests things. Was using an Aria with the old Unlimited Data plan. Popped in my SIM. I can make calls, get texts, and the 4G logo pops up, but NO data. Apps tell me there's no data, I can't surf.
Is this typical? Is AT&T blocking my data usage because I am set up for some other device?

You will need the sim set up for that phone if I remember right , but go to a store and have them do it and tell them you want to keep your unlimited otherwise att will tell you that you have to change plans to use LTE

Yeah it says "Connection failed due to incorrect APN setting". But the factory APN is obviously fine.
Alright I'll go to the AT&T store today and see what they can do. Half of them are smart there, the other half are just trying to be salespeople. Gets annoying.

Mine did that too, I hear ya one the 1/2 n 1/2 just go to a small independent store or like a Walmart maybe.

You need your account provisioned for lte. You won't lose your unlimited data they just change the back end stuff on their side for routing of your account
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Yeah...either get your account LTE compatible or use legacy apns...your current account is not yet setup to utilize pta apns (LTE)
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Nexus 6--- MMS over WiFi

I bought an Unlocked Nexus 6 from the Google Play Store 9 months ago (I love it), I'm using it on Verizon,... I have No problems at all sending MMS photos through messenger while connected to WiFi.
Then today I bought a Verizon Nexus 6 though Costco and MMS only works if Data is enabled. IT WILL NOT SEND PICTURES OVER WiFi??
I've compared the 2 devices, settings, VPN's, both are rooted, both running the same LMY48M, everything seems identical, yet the NEW Nexus 6 will not do WiFi MMS Photos it requires a data connection?
What am I overlooking?
Thanks.

TDS40 said:
I bought an Unlocked Nexus 6 from the Google Play Store 9 months ago (I love it), I'm using it on Verizon,... I have No problems at all sending MMS photos through messenger while connected to WiFi.
Then today I bought a Verizon Nexus 6 though Costco and MMS only works if Data is enabled. IT WILL NOT SEND PICTURES OVER WiFi??
I've compared the 2 devices, settings, VPN's, both are rooted, both running the same LMY48M, everything seems identical, yet the NEW Nexus 6 will not do WiFi MMS Photos it requires a data connection?
What am I overlooking?
Thanks.
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i bet you are using different apn's or have a setting somewhere set differently.

simms22 said:
i bet you are using different apn's or have a setting somewhere set differently.
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Thanks, Checked all the APN's and they all appear to be identical. I'm on the phone right now with Verizon Tech support they are trying to figure this out. lol
I'll post a quick update if they give a solution.

Verizon has no idea what the problem is

Never seen MMS over WiFi only without a hack. MMS goes over Verizon data server. Unless something changed have to have the Vtext for mms that goes over data. I'm old school. Verizon could have changed their ways.

TDS40 said:
Thanks, Checked all the APN's and they all appear to be identical. I'm on the phone right now with Verizon Tech support they are trying to figure this out. lol
I'll post a quick update if they give a solution.
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I don't think Verizon is the problem. I have Cricket and have the same issue.

Leejin said:
I don't think Verizon is the problem. I have Cricket and have the same issue.
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The carrier has to support WIFI mms. Last I knew only T-Mobile supported it at all. Normally MMS activates Cell Data (even if off) for a second to send the mms and then disables it again.

zelendel said:
The carrier has to support WIFI mms. Last I knew only T-Mobile supported it at all. Normally MMS activates Cell Data (even if off) for a second to send the mms and then disables it again.
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yup, tmo supports sms/mms over wifi

TDS40 said:
Thanks, Checked all the APN's and they all appear to be identical. I'm on the phone right now with Verizon Tech support they are trying to figure this out. lol
I'll post a quick update if they give a solution.
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The carrier has to support WIFI mms. Last I knew only T-Mobile supported it at all. Normally MMS activates Cell Data (even if off) for a second to send the mms and then disables it again.
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This info doesn't help in any way though. Why is the MMS not going through at all?

Check your apn. Is there anything under mmsc?
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donnyp1 said:
Check your apn. Is there anything under mmsc?
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Hi,
I am on tmo with a unrooted stock build R. my MMSC is empty. should I populate with your apn in order to have mms over wifi? its so boring to turn data on/off just to send a mms.
Thanks.

hormosapiens said:
Hi,
I am on tmo with a unrooted stock build R. my MMSC is empty. should I populate with your apn in order to have mms over wifi? its so boring to turn data on/off just to send a mms.
Thanks.
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I would give it a shot. I have no issues using hangouts now
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guys, I was having the issue couple weeks ago (cricket) and it jsut went away. The wife was also having the same issue on her Nexus 5 and she had to switch to "textra" app to get the problem solved. Apparently it had to do something with Messenger app with google. It seems to be fixed now tho. Also i read somewhere its a bug somewhere in Marshmallow

newtonfb said:
guys, I was having the issue couple weeks ago (cricket) and it jsut went away. The wife was also having the same issue on her Nexus 5 and she had to switch to "textra" app to get the problem solved. Apparently it had to do something with Messenger app with google. It seems to be fixed now tho. Also i read somewhere its a bug somewhere in Marshmallow
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The steps I took worked on 6.0 also. I loaded back to stock to get the ota
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I had this problem on cricket last week thought it was cm 12 causing the problems.. on chroma right now and haven't has this come back.. but at the same time cm 12 always show att regardless of the apn,, stock based roms always show cricket,, maybe i will try and flash cm 12 again and see if the issue is still there,,

simms22 said:
yup, tmo supports sms/mms over wifi
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I've never had MMS work over WiFi. If somebody sends me a MMS (and my mobile data happens to be off, and WiFi is on), I get a "download" message in Messenger app, and clicking that does nothing till I enable mobile data.
My APN shows T-Mobile GPRS (fast.t-mobile.com)
Edit: just found https://support.t-mobile.com/thread/57886
APN type was missing mms. I've added that, and will try out later today. Maybe that'll do the trick.