Good morning everyone!
I haven't had much time to read through every single thread so I thought I should ask a couple of quick questions from work. I'm thinking of getting my self a Nook HD soon since it's on sale here in Miami and I heard they have been discontinued but I am in need of some advice.
Since you guys have probably heard a lot more rumors and tips, should I go for it or should I look for something else? I am asking because by the looks of it, it's not going to be supported soon and I don't know how I should feel about that. Is there another device I should consider around the same price range?
Something I did notice is that there is not much development around this tablet other than Carbon. Are there other roms I missed that I should take into consideration and also, should I stick to the default kernel or is there others that excel?
I know the specific differences in specs but in your hands, which one feels better in regards to the system, and physically - the HD or HD+? And lastly, if I do decide to purchase it, anywhere I can get it for cheaper than at B&N?
If you guys can help me with this, I would really appreciate it!
Thank you beforehand.
valdesr11 said:
Good morning everyone!
I haven't had much time to read through every single thread so I thought I should ask a couple of quick questions from work. I'm thinking of getting my self a Nook HD soon since it's on sale here in Miami and I heard they have been discontinued but I am in need of some advice.
Since you guys have probably heard a lot more rumors and tips, should I go for it or should I look for something else? I am asking because by the looks of it, it's not going to be supported soon and I don't know how I should feel about that. Is there another device I should consider around the same price range?
Something I did notice is that there is not much development around this tablet other than Carbon. Are there other roms I missed that I should take into consideration and also, should I stick to the default kernel or is there others that excel?
I know the specific differences in specs but in your hands, which one feels better in regards to the system, and physically - the HD or HD+? And lastly, if I do decide to purchase it, anywhere I can get it for cheaper than at B&N?
If you guys can help me with this, I would really appreciate it!
Thank you beforehand.
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As far as which size is best, that's completely a personal decision. If you can handle them at B&N, do similar things on each, and see what feels best for you. For me, I went with the HD+ after a prolonged session in the store to compare them. In my comparing the 2, HD+ is better for videos, and I tend to watch stuff on XBMC fairly often, so that was my deciding factor. My wife on the other hand doesn't watch many videos, and liked the feel and size of the HD. I thought I would be rooting hers, and adding a new ROM but she's satisfied with Stock, and an alternate launcher, so I haven't pressed the issue.
As far as support goes, I think they'll still be supporting them at least as long as your warranty lasts, they just won't be creating new models. So, if you're going to be rooting and adding Modded ROMs anyway, I don't think that should be much of a concern to you. You'll still be able to access your library through the Nook APP (or a number of other reader Apps, not specifically for B&N content), so you're not going to lose your books (if you even use it as a reader).
The screen is what really makes this such an awesome deal, and for the price, you won't find an alternative that comes anywhere near it.
There are a couple different versions of straight CM10.1 in addition to the Carbon, and a couple others got posted, but aren't maintained. So yeah, for right now, those are your choices. Doesn't mean somebody else won't come along and start maintaining some other ROMs in the future.
valdesr11 said:
Good morning everyone!
I haven't had much time to read through every single thread so I thought I should ask a couple of quick questions from work. I'm thinking of getting my self a Nook HD soon since it's on sale here in Miami and I heard they have been discontinued but I am in need of some advice.
Since you guys have probably heard a lot more rumors and tips, should I go for it or should I look for something else? I am asking because by the looks of it, it's not going to be supported soon and I don't know how I should feel about that. Is there another device I should consider around the same price range?
Something I did notice is that there is not much development around this tablet other than Carbon. Are there other roms I missed that I should take into consideration and also, should I stick to the default kernel or is there others that excel?
I know the specific differences in specs but in your hands, which one feels better in regards to the system, and physically - the HD or HD+? And lastly, if I do decide to purchase it, anywhere I can get it for cheaper than at B&N?
If you guys can help me with this, I would really appreciate it!
Thank you beforehand.
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When I got mine, they told me the Nook HD & HD+, will still be around, they are simply using a third party to make them, and my Extend Protection plan would be honored until the end. I figure it will probably with refurbished units toward the end, since this was my first tablet (HD+) I wasn't sure if looking at 1920x1280 @ 9 inches was going to work, so I bought both and then returned the HD, the screen was fine for my aging eyes.
I'm using CM 10.1 EMMC following the great instruction here. It works much better than stock, but there is a stock thread here, by leapinlar, that includes great tips as well as zips you can install to allow sideloading and other cool stuff. A MUST read if you want to keep stock only.
There are several threads about SD only installs as well as Hybrid installs that allow dual booting for the best of both worlds. Here, started by bokbokan.
I've yet to try Carbon or TweakedCarbon, but will probably do so just to see which one I like better.
I flashed both the HD & HD+ when I had them and they both felt nice and, tested them using different apps opened at the same time. The HD+ won almost every test, and the screen looks really good for watching movies and surfing. I ended up keeping the HD+, but I got a 10% coupon for another Nook, so I may grab the HD for my daughter.
Hope this helps!
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So I am considering buying the Nook Color for use with an Android ROM ideally honeycomb and Instead of having to sort through tons of threads I think a single one would be nice for those also thinking about jumping in.
Most of these will be in reference to android phones and relating the experience since that's all I have to go off.
I have a SGS Captivate
Battery life compared to phone?
Usability? Speed, what is working what isn't? Does it feel like a step back when coming from a high end smart phone?
Video? Sound? etc
I know these questions have been answered somewhere, but having a single thread dedicated to answering questions for users looking to jump in with the Nook Color hacking would be nice, IMHO.
Thanks for all the help.
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Anyone who has done this how is it related to your android phone if you have one. I'm really interested in this but if it will feel like a step back from the phones i don't know if it's worth it?
I have a Droid X and the nook running CM7.
Right now the nook is very comparable to the X. With the beta rom it is still a little chopy but web browsing is so much better on the bigger and higher resolution screen. I don't boot up my computer as much for casual web browsing as much as I use to. It is nice being able to browse anywhere in my house(I'm writing this while cooking dinner) , or while watching TV.
Apps are still hit or miss on CM7 right now (Pandora doesn't work) and I'm not much of a gamer so I'll leave that to others.
Thanks so much I'm pretty excited to try this out. Hopefully it is as good as I think it can be. I know it won't be a xoom. But it should be sweet.
I have an HTC Incredible which should be similarly performing to the Captivate.
The DINC has the worst battery life of any Android phone I've seen so that's not maybe the best comparison, but I use my nook several hours a day and manage several days between charges. I think battery life is impressive.
Out of the box, the speed is noticeably slower, but not that bad. Running an OC'd 1100mhz kernel I get a much higher quadrant score (around 1150) than my stock DINC. The NC's improvement is significant.
I haven't installed a different ROM since I'm waiting for a daily driver stable honeycomb. That beings said, I have absolutely zeros problems using my NC daily as a tablet. I find it much easier than the smaller screen on my phone. Nor have I encountered anything I wanted to do that didn't work almost perfectly.
Video is a bit more pixelated than I'd like but I haven't spent a lot of time looking into it. Sound is pretty good, and the built in speaker is better than expected. I have heard of issues with the headphone jack.
All in all it's a great investment of $250. You could get a more fully featured tablet for the price of three NC's. I don't think the additional features are worth the cost difference, especially when you add in the amazing work done by the xda Devs.
jlt220 said:
So I am considering buying the Nook Color for use with an Android ROM ideally honeycomb...
Most of these will be in reference to android phones and relating the experience since that's all I have to go off.
I have a SGS Captivate.
Battery life compared to phone? Usability? Speed, what is working what isn't? Does it feel like a step back when coming from a high end smart phone? Video? Sound? etc
Thanks for all the help.
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DeadStiff said:
I don't boot up my computer as much for casual web browsing as much as I use to.
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I used to spend a couple of hours every evening sitting at my desktop PC browsing the net and reading forums. In the couple of weeks since getting and rooting the NC, I think I've fired up my PC four times. Now I do my nightly surfing from the couch next to my wife while she watches TV and she feels much less neglected. ;-)
Ars Technica wrote a nice feature article today that should answer all your questions.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/guides/2011/02/howto-root-a-nook-color-to-transform-it-into-an-android-tablet.ars
Thanks for the responses this is helpful
I'm planing on using this as an ebook reader some just because the screen size would be nicer than my phone, but also like you said web, stuff like that. Keep the personal experiences coming they are very helpful for us who are hesitant to join in.
The nook is not perfect but its impossible to beat for the price. As other have said I fire up my computer far less than before. I have an evo and I would say that the NC feels as snappy and maybe even snappier. The thing I can tell you is that I was a for sure for the Xoom but the NC and all of its hacks help me to make the decision that I can wait. 100% happy with the Nook and I think most anyone else would be also.
jlt220 said:
So I am considering buying the Nook Color for use with an Android ROM ideally honeycomb and Instead of having to sort through tons of threads I think a single one would be nice for those also thinking about jumping in.
Most of these will be in reference to android phones and relating the experience since that's all I have to go off.
I have a SGS Captivate
Battery life compared to phone?
Usability? Speed, what is working what isn't? Does it feel like a step back when coming from a high end smart phone?
Video? Sound? etc
I know these questions have been answered somewhere, but having a single thread dedicated to answering questions for users looking to jump in with the Nook Color hacking would be nice, IMHO.
Thanks for all the help.
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I also have a captivate since release day (and got the pleasure of gettint a new one in December due to random shutdowns) and I can say the battery life on the nook is way better than any sgs rom even the stock eclair. I also don't browse on my phone anywhere near as much as I used to. The nook color doesn't have the most features, the fastest cpu, or even the best screen but for the price it blows everything else away hands down. Honestly its one of the few "toys" I've gotten in a while that I haven't had an ounce of buyers remorse with
Sent from my Nook Color.
I love my honeycomb. Its really fast and it has only minor issues. Mine is 100% reliable and i use it everyday and i only use my laptop for downloading roms and/or flashing sd cards. I have a rooted rom'd and oc'd droid 1 at 1300mhz and while i love my droid, i hardly use it anymore.
I really recommend it and emmc honeycomb is awesome. The lack of gps is the biggest thing for me, but o well... my rooted droid has one so its fine for me.
Sent from one of those missing Droids
So I'm getting a NookColor sent over to the UK in a week or so and wanted some general advice etc. I've got to admit I don't really care for e-readers that much, at least not enough to pay full price. Anyway, I recently got an offer through work to get a NC from Barnes & Noble with 50% off so I figured it might be nice to have another gadget to play with. Then I stumbled across this forum and a few others and I have been really impressed with the potential of the NC as a tablet, so for $125/£75 I'd be a fool to miss out. Anyway, I'm looking for some opinions from your good selves:
Is it worth registering with B&N when I first get the NC? I'd more than likely use the Kindle book store if I was to purchase ebooks so I'm thinking I don't really need to register. How does this affect system updates and the warranty though?
I'm pretty much set on installing CM7 as soon as I get the NC but is it worth replacing the stock OS or just booting from an SD card? I'm guessing that it performs better from the internal memory and the process seems fairly simple, but is there any good reason to keep the stock OS loaded?
Will I need to root the device before attempting to install CM7? I've read mixed things about this so I am a little confused.
Any advice is greatly appreciated, and I apologize in advance for the boring noob questions!
DubiousPig said:
So I'm getting a NookColor sent over to the UK in a week or so and wanted some general advice etc. I've got to admit I don't really care for e-readers that much, at least not enough to pay full price. Anyway, I recently got an offer through work to get a NC from Barnes & Noble with 50% off so I figured it might be nice to have another gadget to play with. Then I stumbled across this forum and a few others and I have been really impressed with the potential of the NC as a tablet, so for $125/£75 I'd be a fool to miss out. Anyway, I'm looking for some opinions from your good selves:
Is it worth registering with B&N when I first get the NC? I'd more than likely use the Kindle book store if I was to purchase ebooks so I'm thinking I don't really need to register. How does this affect system updates and the warranty though?
I'm pretty much set on installing CM7 as soon as I get the NC but is it worth replacing the stock OS or just booting from an SD card? I'm guessing that it performs better from the internal memory and the process seems fairly simple, but is there any good reason to keep the stock OS loaded?
Will I need to root the device before attempting to install CM7? I've read mixed things about this so I am a little confused.
Any advice is greatly appreciated, and I apologize in advance for the boring noob questions!
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Welcome to the NC community!
You seem to have a pretty good handle on things. Nothing on the warranty page (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/protectionplan/standard/index.asp) mentions that registration is necessary to be eligible. However, once you install CM7, it's a moot point, as that will certainly void the warranty. But it's near impossible to break the software beyond repair, so you can generally restore to stock if for some reason you need to submit a warranty repair.
Replacing the stock OS is a matter of personal preference. I personally tried running CM7 on the SD card temporarily and decided that since I was never using stock, that I would just get rid of it. Give it a try and see if you like it; it isn't too hard to install internally if you decide to get rid of stock, and as I said, restoring stock isn't too difficult either.
As far as I know, you don't need to root stock to install CM7. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12801192 is a guide to install it internally without root.
You have a couple of options avaliable to you. If you want to use it as a stock reader for the barnes and noble book store maybe you should consider Cm7. I curently run Cm7 on a class 6 8 gig card and i get very little lag.If you find its still not fast enough you also have the option of using dalingrins over clock kernel which will boost the performance.
Running off the sd card will give you the best of both worlds win/win.
Okay so I plan on ordering a touchpad this week or so and I have some questions regarding the roms and their stability.
first of all, which roms do you reccomend and/or are the most stable?
Are there any roms in beta? the only one I know of is Miui
Is there a rom with microphone/camera support?
And finally, is an hp touchpad worth the upgrade from a Viewsonic Gtablet (if anyone else has used both and compared them)?
any help is appreciated :laugh:
Firstly, you probably should have taken a moment to do a search - almost all of your questions have been asked many times before. However, to save you from the flame-bait and others who'll consider you a troll, I'll try and help you out a bit.
So, to answer your first question, the most stable would probably be the official CM9 Nightlies. To the best of my (personal and limited) knowledge, none have been promoted to official "beta" status, but then again, we went from an unofficial Alpha to Alpha2, to the nightlies. So that's probably your best bet for stability. I know from personal, anecdotal experience, that I haven't had a crash on my TP in weeks, and I would call it definitely stable. But that's just me.
Microphone support has been added into the repository, but the camera isn't as of yet. Which honestly doesn't bother too many people, unless they need to video chat. And if they need that, the nice thing about the TP is in about 5 minutes you can have it rebooted into WebOS, which has Skype native support, and you can chat from there. Then, do a quick reboot (about 2 mins or less), and you're back in Android.
As for the upgrade from the GTablet, I couldn't tell you. I know that I really enjoy my TP, and I like the way it looks and handles better than my father's Galaxy Tab 10.1, but that's just me. For the 200 bucks I paid for mine (including shipping to Canada), I can't say anything bad about it. It gets used daily, flashed daily, and it works like a hot damn all of the time. So yes, I suggest you get one, because it's an amazing piece of technology, AND it's in the process of getting an upgrade to Jellybean, so that's another plus in it's books (that a lot of other devices don't have yet).
I would suggest you get one also. But I would view eBay for about a week or two. Usually you can find
Someone selling a 32 GB cheaper or around the price of a 16gb every once in a while. Got my 32gb 180 even and no shipping cost. Great deal! These things are amazing for the Price
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Nightlies. That is all.
Ve6ay how nice to see a positive polite reply.
I have the same setup as you and couldn't have put it better.
All,
My mom's birthday was coming up and I was going to get her a tablet. She doesn't have a computer and still uses a flip phone just for reference how nontechnical she is.
With new new price of the Nook HD+ it seems like a great buy however how is it in the stock form? I know there is going to be some lag but is it at least tolerable? I watched some YouTube video reviews and it seems when it was first released it was kind of bad but some of the newer ones looked much better.
I know you are all going to say just put CM 10.1 on it and if I was going to use it for myself I would 100% do that however it always seems even at their best roms have some idiocracies of their own that we don't mind but to an average user would seem annoying.
What you guys think in stock form do you think someone would be ok with it if just using the tablet for basic browsing, reading, and netflix is this a good choice?
For a non-tech person, running just plain stock with no mods should work good. It is fairly smooth and stable. Since she has never had a device like this before, she will never notice its shortcomings compared to other Android devices. Go for it!
Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10.1 on emmc.
leapinlar said:
For a non-tech person, running just plain stock with no mods should work good. It is fairly smooth and stable. Since she has never had a device like this before, she will never notice its shortcomings compared to other Android devices. Go for it!
Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10.1 on emmc.
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Thanks for the quick reply! I just didn't want to buy her a piece of junk. Someone bought my Great Aunt (she is 95!) some Walgreen's special android tablet. She was so excited when I went over her house for dinner to show it to me. It was running Ice Cream Sandwich and the thing lagged like I have never seen android before and I just felt bad and smiled and said "wow this is great".
While at least B&N is a reputable company I wanted something that is usable and wont frustrate her to and also cutting down on the inevitable tech support calls I will get.
dsf767 said:
All,
My mom's birthday was coming up and I was going to get her a tablet. She doesn't have a computer and still uses a flip phone just for reference how nontechnical she is.
With new new price of the Nook HD+ it seems like a great buy however how is it in the stock form? I know there is going to be some lag but is it at least tolerable? I watched some YouTube video reviews and it seems when it was first released it was kind of bad but some of the newer ones looked much better.
I know you are all going to say just put CM 10.1 on it and if I was going to use it for myself I would 100% do that however it always seems even at their best roms have some idiocracies of their own that we don't mind but to an average user would seem annoying.
What you guys think in stock from do you think someone would is just going to sue the tablet for basic browsing, reading, and netflix is this a good choice?
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Stock is a good choice. I just set one up for my wife to use and kept it stock. I figured the easier-to-use Nook interface would be more beneficial than the raw Android interface.
After the two automatic updates, you have all the apps, including Play Store, so just keep it at that. It's a very powerful and beautful tablet (especially for the price!).
Happy Birthday to your Mom!
dsf767 said:
With new new price of the Nook HD+ it seems like a great buy however how is it in the stock form? I know there is going to be some lag but is it at least tolerable? I watched some YouTube video reviews and it seems when it was first released it was kind of bad but some of the newer ones looked much better.
What you guys think in stock form do you think someone would be ok with it if just using the tablet for basic browsing, reading, and netflix is this a good choice?
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I bought mine last week and am running it stock.
I have used numerous custom ROMs on numerous devices but I don't plan on putting any custom ROM on the Nook (for now at least).
My impressions:
First - The screen is fantastic!
I can't say enough about the screen; Full HD (1920x1280) resolution with a 9" size makes this a 'Retina' display (if compared to the iPad) - 257ppi (Nook HD+) vs. 264ppi (iPad).
Google Play Store is installed on first boot (system updates itself when turned on). With full store access, it is a full-featured Android tablet, not an e-reader.
The dual-core CPU is on the mid-range side; however it runs the tablet really well. Since the usage is normal browsing and/or reading there should be no problems with it.
I have downloaded Holo Launcher HD and use that as my interface. This gets rid of the B&N interface and allows resizing of the screen grid, widgets etc.
I use the stock reader to read my ePubs and actually prefer it over the ones available in the market.
Adobe handles PDFs and some comic books. With the high-resolution screen, I am able to view an entire page without zooming in.
The Zinio app allows me to download magazines for free from my public library account. These look great too.
There is some lag when viewing PDFs and magazines; the screen takes a second or two to focus when turning pages. Of course, it depends on what is being displayed too.
Angry birds works fine; haven't tested it with any resource-intensive games.
Skype runs all the time on my HD+ and have had multiple conversations with family around the world with no connection issues.
All this would be nothing if not for the price. the close-out price of $150 makes this an incredible value. You can buy 3 of these for the price of one iPad.
Do not hesitate.
Cheers.
Hey guys, been using cryogen on my nook for years now, and while I personally believe that it is much faster than stock, it always seems to eventually bog down, and run slow. While there might be an issue with apps or something else I'm doing wrong that keeps slowing down my nook that's not the MAIN purpose of this forum. I'm looking for the best build and settings to get the most out of my nook. Currently i'm running a recent nightly build with CM11, but was thinking about switching to snapshot for a more stable release. There are two things I want to know before doing this:
1. what is the fastest and most stable build available? I've heard in forums about a liquidsmooth build, slim builds, and obviously used nightlys but which is the best? Also CM10 or CM11 does it matter which?
2. What is the best settings for max performance? On nightly I can use the governor to up the CPU, and I know there's a ram setting, but what about the I/O scheduler? whats the optimal setting for this? Also whats the best map performance settings AND what is the best settings for performance/battery for when i'm not playing games but maybe just web browsing.
ONE FINAL NOTE:
There was a time where I enjoyed spending a week tweaking roms and trying to make experimental roms work but now I don't have time. SO what I'm looking for is a STABLE rom that doesn't need much tweaking and can simple be installed through CWM, and either the basic settings to max performance, or a third party program that will do it for me.
PS: these forums have been good to me these past years so I want to also shout out to everyone that contributes and say thank you.
Others may have differing opinions but I have tried all ROMs available and they all have their ups and downs. The nook hd + is a serviceable tablet and well worth what I paid for it but I have given up on the idea of finding a perfect configuration. My nook performs well enough at the moment to prevent my cheap nature from buying another tab.
That being said I am getting my son a nvidia shield tablet for Christmas so he will have to share
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Others may have differing opinions but I have tried all ROMs available and they all have their ups and downs. The nook hd + is a serviceable tablet and well worth what I paid for it but I have given up on the idea of finding a perfect configuration. My nook performs well enough at the moment to prevent my cheap nature from buying another tab.
That being said I am getting my son a nvidia shield tablet for Christmas so he will have to share
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I whole-heartedly agree with everything you said.
Except for the part about sharing your son's Christmas present. Good luck with that!
Better than nothing
Given that the first two reply were utterly useless I figured I would post what I have found so far. . . A rom called SlimKat is the fastest rom for the nook hd+ I personally have found. I was hoping that others would post USEFUL information to this forum reguarding other ROMS rather than just stating that the nook is limited (which everyone that owns one already knows hints why were are here in the first place). But if you too are looking for a fast rom try here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nook-hd/development/rom-dev-slimkat-4-4-4-build-8-1-t2894247/page6
I've yet to tweak it, so i'm not sure if there is a govenor on there or a way to improve how the RAM is used. And I still have no clue what an I/O scheduler does, but I didn't see one on this rom.
Useless, honest, whatever
Try mokee in original android development section. Nightlies are active, pretty stable , and it is interesting. Yes it is in Chinese at first but you can change language
I like slim kat but I get freezes when streaming videos for long periods.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2761812
mcord11758 said:
Useless, honest, whatever
Try mokee in original android development section. Nightlies are active, pretty stable , and it is interesting. Yes it is in Chinese at first but you can change language
I like slim kat but I get freezes when streaming videos for long periods.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2761812
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That's probably fixed in the LiquidSmooth F2FS version (Pg. 5 of the LS thread), as it uses different PVR source. FWIW.
I actually find asking to be a moot point.
The roms will act differently according to your needs and uses. One rom may work well for someone and not well for another who's use of it constantly goes up against a bug or other problem. Or maybe you just won't like it.
Short story, just do a full recovery backup of what you currently use and then try the others. When you like one try it for a week. If you dislike it just restore the full backup of your choice - if you make full backups of each of them you can go back to any quite fast just the way you left it.
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The roms will act differently according to your needs and uses.
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And hardware (revisions). Take two identical tabs, install identical ROMs using identical methods, and get two different results. One crashes and reboots, the other never does. On a third the battery life suffers or the WifFi misbehaves.
sandsofmyst said:
Short story, just do a full recovery backup of what you currently use and then try the others. When you like one try it for a week. If you dislike it just restore the full backup of your choice - if you make full backups of each of them you can go back to any quite fast just the way you left it.
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And of course, be prepared to restart and repeat the entire process. Because sooner or later you're going to install something that will sour the milk. Or you just like doing it because it's just so much fun!
jb0756: I've tried them all. The variables are staggering. It's amazing these things work as well as they do.
mcord11758 said it best. The HD+ is ... "serviceable."
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Or you just like doing it because it's just so much fun!
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If its not up your alley then don't go there. There are things in the ocean and a breeze in the air.