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Hi guys.
My new LG Optimus 2x (preinstalled android 2.2.2) is very slow and "unsmooth" on the main LG Interface.
I still rooted the device and uninstall f-secure and car-app, cause I read, this apps can make problems, but the problem is still there.
Applications are running well, but the main system always laggs. If I download a few apps from marketplace, the phone totaly freezes for seconds :-(
And I´m wondering about shown RAM, when I take a look at Android Optimizer App. My total RAM showa 372MB, but I thought, this phone has 512MB RAM? Maybe my Device is not working correctly?
Can someone help me?
THX!
moeper
I experienced the same. Can be solved to a large extent with paul's custom rom. Nevertheless I hope that coming updates improve the phone. Its by no means using its full potential.
What I can only barely accept is the low reception. I was in several rural areas where i had no reception. My gf had each time 3 of 4 bars on her htc legend and on the same service provider as I. Thats really not too well. I couldnt even make a call.
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yes with pauls rom it becomes better but still laggy when installing progs, ...
hope to get update soon because it is a very good phone (and good price).
thomas
Yeah, that´s right. I have a second phone, HTC 7 Trophy with wp7, and so I was dissapointed about performance and phone/wlan power (even have network, gsm or wlan, with trophy, but not with lg).
Can someone say something about missing RAM? Datasheet: 512MB RAM, shown in Android Optimzer: 372MB....thx
moeper said:
Yeah, that´s right. I have a second phone, HTC 7 Trophy with wp7, and so I was dissapointed about performance and phone/wlan power (even have network, gsm or wlan, with trophy, but not with lg).
Can someone say something about missing RAM? Datasheet: 512MB RAM, shown in Android Optimzer: 372MB....thx
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512mb of ram is the TOTAL ram the phone has, the 372mb of ram is USER AVAILABLE RAM. the other part is used by system and its apps.
moeper said:
Yeah, that´s right. I have a second phone, HTC 7 Trophy with wp7, and so I was dissapointed about performance and phone/wlan power (even have network, gsm or wlan, with trophy, but not with lg).
Can someone say something about missing RAM? Datasheet: 512MB RAM, shown in Android Optimzer: 372MB....thx
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512MB - ram used for GPU = ram available
damn, that´s heavy, I looked at a Desire, they have up to 100MB more free RAM...
The ram should not be a big issue. With proper programming and good ram management by the os a todays phone should never use more than 512 mb. Kinda silly with 1 gb, only encourages sluggish coding.
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Whenever I have had ram shown on the phone I've never had over 200 and I find that it decreases through the day whether things are open or not very frustrating! I'm disappointed with the phone so far I was expecting alot better and the software isn't suitable for the phone at all. Hopefully updates will arrive soon.
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get autokiller off market, activate the extreme preset if you want some extra free ram. Removing some useless stock apps also helps.
The original LG home launcher does seem to be laggy, try something like launcherPro, it seems to be much smoother.
Android is not like Windows, the RAM management is completely different. The performance issues your having is unrelated to the amount of free RAM you have. When a Windows pc runs out of RAM, it will start writing data to the hard drive. Of course accessing this data is much slower than reading from RAM. That's why increasing RAM can have a major effect in Windows. Android don't do this, instead it closes background programs(and saves it's state?), to free RAM as needed.
This is from the top of my memory, please correct me if I'm wrong.
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marco_ch said:
I experienced the same. Can be solved to a large extent with paul's custom rom. Nevertheless I hope that coming updates improve the phone. Its by no means using its full potential.
What I can only barely accept is the low reception. I was in several rural areas where i had no reception. My gf had each time 3 of 4 bars on her htc legend and on the same service provider as I. Thats really not too well. I couldnt even make a call.
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I have exactly the same problem and its my second unit
I'am extremely disappointed with this phone so far.
raf2k said:
I have exactly the same problem and its my second unit
I'am extremely disappointed with this phone so far.
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You guys who complain about bad network reception, have you all noticed that there is a small piece of foil on the lower end of the phone under the battery lid that should be removed? It's a blueish strip of plastic foil and harder to peel of than the other protective foils on the phone. Removing it has increased my cell reception from about 25% to 55-65% indoors at my place (measured with Phono).
Ermm no didnt know. Thanks for the hint. Just removed it and hoping for improvement.
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moeper said:
Hi guys.
My new LG Optimus 2x (preinstalled android 2.2.2) is very slow and "unsmooth" on the main LG Interface.
I still rooted the device and uninstall f-secure and car-app, cause I read, this apps can make problems, but the problem is still there.
Applications are running well, but the main system always laggs. If I download a few apps from marketplace, the phone totaly freezes for seconds :-(
And I´m wondering about shown RAM, when I take a look at Android Optimizer App. My total RAM showa 372MB, but I thought, this phone has 512MB RAM? Maybe my Device is not working correctly?
Can someone help me?
THX!
moeper
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About installing apps: I remembered that when CM switched to ext4 as base file system the phone stopped being inresponsive while installing apps. my phone is with ext3 now (total stock, to check if it still auto reboots) and yes it lags like hell while installing! I managed to keep the phone responsive after unlocking by removing juice defender (otherwise the phone was lagging like hell untill the wifi kicked in).
No foil on mine
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charleybrown_de said:
You guys who complain about bad network reception, have you all noticed that there is a small piece of foil on the lower end of the phone under the battery lid that should be removed? It's a blueish strip of plastic foil and harder to peel of than the other protective foils on the phone. Removing it has increased my cell reception from about 25% to 55-65% indoors at my place (measured with Phono).
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Thanks for advice. I've removed the foil from day one, but the reception is still bad.
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Thanks for advice. I've removed the foil from day one, but the reception is still bad.
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AFAIK LG phones = bad reception, I had one before this and it was shockingly bad - going downstairs = no reception. I've moved since then so can't really compare
thats not the case with my O2x
It has far better reception than my Iphone 4 or my HTC Desire or any other phone I have owned. Inside my house reception has allways been very poor and its almost impossible for any phone to get reception, I normally have to move around in the house and find a spot just to get connected. But with my O2x I now have excellent reception everywhere in the house which was a hughe surprise to me when I got it.
PS: I also get the very annoying lag when installing apps on my O2x - while my single core Desire and my single core tablet Archos 70it doesnt.
I really hope LG can make us a better rom when rolling out Gingerbread.
complaining about free ram is ... and using of any task killer apps is useless.
if the phone is getting out of memory it will close unneeded processes automatically.
And it doesn‘t make a difference wether if ram is full or totally empty, it‘s the same power consumption.
Ram is there to be used!!!
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hey all
its about 1 month since i started to search what my new smart phone (my first actually) should be.....now the last battle is between xperia z and lumia 920.....i hate that there rnt many videos about them together on YouTube....i just have 2 points to ask about....screen and processor....i know that u will say Z is HD and 441 PPI 5 inch..........and lumia is 4.5 .HD and so........i know it i just want some1 who tried both is there rly big difference in the display?.....the same about processor..Big difference?.......i saw the theoritical way....i need to hear about ur practice ^_^
BTW i cant try both phones as neither of them is in my city......thats why iam asking u Friends ^_^
thanks in advance
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hey all
its about 1 month since i started to search what my new smart phone (my first actually) should be.....now the last battle is between xperia z and lumia 920.....i hate that there rnt many videos about them together on YouTube....i just have 2 points to ask about....screen and processor....i know that u will say Z is HD and 441 PPI 5 inch..........and lumia is 4.5 .HD and so........i know it i just want some1 who tried both is there rly big difference in the display?.....the same about processor..Big difference?.......i saw the theoritical way....i need to hear about ur practice ^_^
BTW i cant try both phones as neither of them is in my city......thats why iam asking u Friends ^_^
thanks in advance
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I tried both. The 920 is good but the system (Windows Mobile) it's running on is a complete disaster (Lack of apps, ugly UI, etc). It's build and design is also nothing less than pathetic in comparison to the Z. You won't notice a big difference in the pixel density unless you put your eyes very close to the display but I would still side with the Z because if a dead pixel arises, it will much harder to notice it on the Z, since its display is much more densely packed with them. The processor is also superior on the Z but what the 920 has, will suffice for most tasks aside from the newest and latest games (Once again, the Z wins here because it's more future-proof).
On a side notice, could you try to write nicer next time, the use of shorthand is annoying.
Traczyk said:
I tried both. The 920 is good but the system (Windows Mobile) it's running on is a complete disaster (Lack of apps, ugly UI, etc). It's build and design is also nothing less than pathetic in comparison to the Z. You won't notice a big difference in the pixel density unless you put your eyes very close to the display but I would still side with the Z because if a dead pixel arises, it will much harder to notice it on the Z, since its display is much more densely packed with them. The processor is also superior on the Z but what the 920 has, will suffice for most tasks aside from the newest and latest games (Once again, the Z wins here because it's more future-proof).
On a side notice, could you try to write nicer next time, the use of shorthand is annoying.
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thanks 4 ur help
just a question.....if i didnt know that xperia z is quad and lumia is dual....would i notice that in performance?
about WP 8 i actually love it .....llack of apps will be fixed gradually...and i heard that xperia z lags more than lumia 920..true?.............and what about battery life?
thanks in advance
abokorayem said:
thanks 4 ur help
just a question.....if i didnt know that xperia z is quad and lumia is dual....would i notice that in performance?
about WP 8 i actually love it .....llack of apps will be fixed gradually...and i heard that xperia z lags more than lumia 920..true?.............and what about battery life?
thanks in advance
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quad and dual are very noticible.. quad can fast proccesing in apps,ofcors its quad, ull notice that on dual core. u might take catching up sometime when opening an app.. (windows phone for me not that useable by my daily basis).. im using ZL same specs in Z.. i dont have any problems with it.. my suggestion is use Z.. battery life so far not an issue anyways.. its on how you use ur phone..
julianalexander said:
quad and dual are very noticible.. quad can fast proccesing in apps,ofcors its quad, ull notice that on dual core. u might take catching up sometime when opening an app.. (windows phone for me not that useable by my daily basis).. im using ZL same specs in Z.. i dont have any problems with it.. my suggestion is use Z.. battery life so far not an issue anyways.. its on how you use ur phone..
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thanks 4 ur reply but about processor let me agree and disagree aswell..........dual vs quad ofcourse quad wins but lumia runs WP8 with no lags at all....in some vids that i watched on Youtube i saw that devices with Quad core as Xperia z and With Android just lags a bit....they said something about adware..malware wich slows android down
abokorayem said:
thanks 4 ur reply but about processor let me agree and disagree aswell..........dual vs quad ofcourse quad wins but lumia runs WP8 with no lags at all....in some vids that i watched on Youtube i saw that devices with Quad core as Xperia z and With Android just lags a bit....they said something about adware..malware wich slows android down
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Yes,as my friend using wp8 i used it for a few minutes,my observation is the the os is light,very minimal use of processing,i agree aswell,but for having quad im sure it helps fast speed, ofcors by the help of ram to take effect.. Quad integrates on multi tasking and as what i say,ram is there to help.. And it boils to what you comfortably using.. Lets keep this thread very useful. On some other threads comparing etc. Is been lockdown..
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julianalexander said:
Yes,as my friend using wp8 i used it for a few minutes,my observation is the the os is light,very minimal use of processing,i agree aswell,but for having quad im sure it helps fast speed, ofcors by the help of ram to take effect.. Quad integrates on multi tasking and as what i say,ram is there to help.. And it boils to what you comfortably using.. Lets keep this thread very useful. On some other threads comparing etc. Is been lockdown..
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I agree all the way with u but....i got something to say which will need confirmation from u
that this is : If iam not a gamer or care alot about heavy 3d games....Lumia 920 would match me more,right?
I mean camera...speakers....even display (bravia engine is only on in photos and vids while HD+ and pure motion r always on)
oh btw....after the buttons bar (the grey one) how large the screen is?4.8 inchs or what?
Thanks in advance
abokorayem said:
hey all
its about 1 month since i started to search what my new smart phone (my first actually) should be.....now the last battle is between xperia z and lumia 920.....i hate that there rnt many videos about them together on YouTube....i just have 2 points to ask about....screen and processor....i know that u will say Z is HD and 441 PPI 5 inch..........and lumia is 4.5 .HD and so........i know it i just want some1 who tried both is there rly big difference in the display?.....the same about processor..Big difference?.......i saw the theoritical way....i need to hear about ur practice ^_^
BTW i cant try both phones as neither of them is in my city......thats why iam asking u Friends ^_^
thanks in advance
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First of all let's compare both phones in spec.
You can check it here for more info: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4967&idPhone2=5204
But the most important features.
Screen:
Lumia 920: HD 1280x768 4.5" 332 ppi
Xperia Z: FULL HD 1920x0180 5" 441 ppi
There is quite a difference between full hd and hd also the ppi are much higher in the XZ, so the pictures/full hd videos will look much crisp on the XZ.
Weight
L920: 185 g (6.53 oz)
XZ: 146 g (5.15 oz)
The L920 is heavy, 40g more than the XZ. You will notice that
Memory / Storage
L920: 1Gb RAM / 32GB No sd-card slot
XZ: 2Gb Ram / 16GB Sd card slot
Ram depends on the OS and the usage. Storage is bigger on the L920 by default but no option to increase the storage.
Bluetooth
L920: 3.2
XZ: 4.0
If you use bluetooth a lot the 4.0 protocol is much reliable.
Camera:
L920: 8 MP, 3264 x 2448 pixels, Carl Zeiss optics, optical image stabilization, autofocus, dual-LED flash
XZ: 13.1 MP, 4128x3096 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
If I'm not wrong, L920 camera is much better in low light condition and in general terms.
OS
L920: Microsoft Windows Phone 8
XZ: Android OS, v4.1.2
Android has much more apps than WP8 in the market, the customization of android is endless (you can access file system, modify the whole rom, kernel) rather than in the wp8 is much more limited.
CPU / GPU
L920: Dual-core 1.5 GHz Krait / Adreno 225
XZ: Quad-core 1.5 GHz Krait /Adreno 320
Depends on OS and usage. Quad-core much faster than Dual-core.
Radio
L920 No
XZ: Stereo FM radio with RDS
If you need Radio FM, it's a no brainer. XZ has it, L920 doesn't. Obviously there is always Internet Radio that works using data mobile.
Battery:
L920: 2000mAh
XZ: 2330mAh
Price (SIM free):
L920: £399 Carphone Warehouse
XZ: £489 Carphone Warehouse
L920 is cheaper
Around the same battery life.
Right, now. Ask yourself this questions.
What are you going to use the phone for?
What is your budget?
Do you use app intensive taks? Playing heavy CPU/GPU intensive games?
Do you find useful the Water/Dust resistance on the XZ, (ie it's protected from rain, failing into water by accident)?
wawyed said:
First of all let's compare both phones in spec.
You can check it here for more info: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4967&idPhone2=5204
But the most important features.
Screen:
Lumia 920: HD 1280x768 4.5" 332 ppi
Xperia Z: FULL HD 1920x0180 5" 441 ppi
There is quite a difference between full hd and hd also the ppi are much higher in the XZ, so the pictures/full hd videos will look much crisp on the XZ.
Weight
L920: 185 g (6.53 oz)
XZ: 146 g (5.15 oz)
The L920 is heavy, 40g more than the XZ. You will notice that
Memory / Storage
L920: 1Gb RAM / 32GB No sd-card slot
XZ: 2Gb Ram / 16GB Sd card slot
Ram depends on the OS and the usage. Storage is bigger on the L920 by default but no option to increase the storage.
Bluetooth
L920: 3.2
XZ: 4.0
If you use bluetooth a lot the 4.0 protocol is much reliable.
Camera:
L920: 8 MP, 3264 x 2448 pixels, Carl Zeiss optics, optical image stabilization, autofocus, dual-LED flash
XZ: 13.1 MP, 4128x3096 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
If I'm not wrong, L920 camera is much better in low light condition and in general terms.
OS
L920: Microsoft Windows Phone 8
XZ: Android OS, v4.1.2
Android has much more apps than WP8 in the market, the customization of android is endless (you can access file system, modify the whole rom, kernel) rather than in the wp8 is much more limited.
CPU / GPU
L920: Dual-core 1.5 GHz Krait / Adreno 225
XZ: Quad-core 1.5 GHz Krait /Adreno 320
Depends on OS and usage. Quad-core much faster than Dual-core.
Radio
L920 No
XZ: Stereo FM radio with RDS
If you need Radio FM, it's a no brainer. XZ has it, L920 doesn't. Obviously there is always Internet Radio that works using data mobile.
Battery:
L920: 2000mAh
XZ: 2330mAh
Price (SIM free):
L920: £399 Carphone Warehouse
XZ: £489 Carphone Warehouse
L920 is cheaper
Around the same battery life.
Right, now. Ask yourself this questions.
What are you going to use the phone for?
What is your budget?
Do you use app intensive taks? Playing heavy CPU/GPU intensive games?
Do you find useful the Water/Dust resistance on the XZ, (ie it's protected from rain, failing into water by accident)?
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First of all, let me thank u 4 ur effort
secondly:about screen being Crisp or so...i heard that naked eye cant differentiate between both as if its higher than 300 PPI its almost the same
Iam not keen on gaming or so i will buy it mainly for reading e-books,taking pics and watching vids(not that much even)
About Water resistant....iam from a dry country...No rains for 3-4 years actually so it doesnt matter 4 me
abokorayem said:
First of all, let me thank u 4 ur effort
secondly:about screen being Crisp or so...i heard that naked eye cant differentiate between both as if its higher than 300 PPI its almost the same
Iam not keen on gaming or so i will buy it mainly for reading e-books,taking pics and watching vids(not that much even)
About Water resistant....iam from a dry country...No rains for 3-4 years actually so it doesnt matter 4 me
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Then zl is ur choice compromising the water resistant.. Even ur not gamer better specs still.. Use quad. Xperia z to say..
About the softkeys,theres a mod resizing that to 25 and black and depending what size u want. 48dpi is stock softkeys.. Lot of devlopers on z.
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abokorayem said:
First of all, let me thank u 4 ur effort
secondly:about screen being Crisp or so...i heard that naked eye cant differentiate between both as if its higher than 300 PPI its almost the same
Iam not keen on gaming or so i will buy it mainly for reading e-books,taking pics and watching vids(not that much even)
About Water resistant....iam from a dry country...No rains for 3-4 years actually so it doesnt matter 4 me
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Take into account that appart from the DPI, one is HD (720p) and the other is Full-HD (1080p), there is a difference between them. You will notice it while browsing a website and zooming to read, it will be much sharp in the XZ.
If you are going to read e-book you will find it more easier in a bigger screen, 5" vs 4.5" is quite a difference in screen size.
At the end of the day is a matter of preference, Android vs WP8. Right now I think Android is a better OS in terms of app and support. Also XZ has the technological advantage compared to the L920. For the price of both I would go for the XZ, personally. As someone said before, XZ is more future-proof, a Dual core and 720p is getting obsolete and 1gb ram is quite low imho. If you are not convinced with the XZ, there are other options: Samsung, HTC, LG.
The best thing to do is go to a shop and hold both at the same time, try most of the features and go for the one your guts tells you.
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Take into account that appart from the DPI, one is HD (720p) and the other is Full-HD (1080p), there is a difference between them. You will notice it while browsing a website and zooming to read, it will be much sharp in the XZ.
If you are going to read e-book you will find it more easier in a bigger screen, 5" vs 4.5" is quite a difference in screen size.
At the end of the day is a matter of preference, Android vs WP8. Right now I think Android is a better OS in terms of app and support. Also XZ has the technological advantage compared to the L920. For the price of both I would go for the XZ, personally. As someone said before, XZ is more future-proof, a Dual core and 720p is getting obsolete and 1gb ram is quite low imho. If you are not convinced with the XZ, there are other options: Samsung, HTC, LG.
The best thing to do is go to a shop and hold both at the same time, try most of the features and go for the one your guts tells you.
If I helped you, you could press the thanks button
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already pressed thanks putton ^_^
what do u think of this
LG Optimus G LS970?
so xperia z or LG Optimus G LS970?
abokorayem said:
so xperia z or LG Optimus G LS970?
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After settling for 5 inch phone, I would never go for anything below it. I have seen the Optimus g is person . It's quite nice. If I'm not wrong the specs of Optimus g and xperia z is almost the same s4 pro quad core with 2 gb ram. Except it's not full hd like the xz and at a lower ppi 318 vs xz's 441. And no ip55/57 rating. The screen looks nice but I haven't tried reading on it. I just watch a video playback.
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abokorayem said:
so xperia z or LG Optimus G LS970?
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I had them both in my hand , my friend's LG and a co-worker had the Xperia... Personally I ordered the Xperia Z and waiting for it. It's much more solid built and I believe strongly in Sony , not to be the fanboy but ask around and everyone will tell you that LG will never be competion to Sony unless you want to spend less !!!
So I need some Sony that will last for 2 years. I mean for the next 2 years My "Sony Phones" will still lag free when scrolling through the interface. Espedially when I browse heavy web pages. I want some sony phones that can open heavy web pages with a decent performance (It's okay if they choke on a bit).
1. So is the SONY XPERIA SP can handle my 2 years challenge?
2. Is 1 GB of RAM is enough for the next 2 years? or I need to buy other phones with 2 GB of RAM?
3. Lastly, Does dual-core still adequate for the next 2 years?
OR Is there any phone beside The XPERIA SP that can handle my challenge. ( I don't like Samsung or LG anymore). thanks a lot guys.
Side story...
I currently have iPhone 3G and I have saving up my money to replace this ugly, pathetic, laggy, and piece of crap. I even can't install Any apps because It required iOS 4.3 and up. and my iPhone is stuck with iOS 4.2.1. I like web browsing web pages, watching youtube videos, and install many apps.
1) Most likely, with android phones reaching the levels of performance we see on computers these days the requirement for more processing power should decrease, even though this phone probably won't be running the best looking games of 2015
2) It's a bit on the low side, but with modifications to the ROM we can still scavenge ~200mb of RAM that is being wasted on the device currently (task killing at 200mb, bloat apps running in the background)
3) Yes, the dual core can power android UI without hiccups as of now, and android is only seemingly getting lighter with each upgrade. Plus, the adreno 320 GPU is the most powerful on any phone out there at the moment, so graphics rendering wont be a problem
ZakooZ said:
1) Most likely, with android phones reaching the levels of performance we see on computers these days the requirement for more processing power should decrease, even though this phone probably won't be running the best looking games of 2015
2) It's a bit on the low side, but with modifications to the ROM we can still scavenge ~200mb of RAM that is being wasted on the device currently (task killing at 200mb, bloat apps running in the background)
3) Yes, the dual core can power android UI without hiccups as of now, and android is only seemingly getting lighter with each upgrade. Plus, the adreno 320 GPU is the most powerful on any phone out there at the moment, so graphics rendering wont be a problem
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yeah. I want to buy this phone instead the XPERIA ZL is because XPERIA SP build quality is superb. It's feels premium in my hand with that exquisite alumunium metal frame with glow of lights on the bottom. and my only concern is 1 GB of RAM can handle my heavy web pages. My friend has android phone with dual core cortex a5 and 512 mb of ram, when i open xda, it's always crash.
yeah i hope it will!
Ram is not really concerning if you not install bloatware ram consuming apps
for now, i disabled some stupid services and useless one, keeping the best app for me and now i have 400mb+ free ram hmm is it good enough?
the 4.3 android update supported and upcoming openGL 3.0 should make this phone survive better for gaming i think[/QUOTE]
which apps have you disabled for more ram?
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Does the Xperia SP handle most highend- games directly out of the box?
Or it requires some rooting, flashing etc.
I'm going to buy the phone soon..
Any recommendations accepted too..
4.3 [207/205] have ram problems. It fc most games. But in custom roms everything seems be okay. Recently I flashed mokee[4.4.4, ubl] and everything is perfect[battery lasts as good as 4.3 or even better, perfomance much better....]. If you want to stay with stock or stock based rom I didn't suggest you to buy xperia SP.
cabba403 said:
Does the Xperia SP handle most highend- games directly out of the box?
Or it requires some rooting, flashing etc.
I'm going to buy the phone soon..
Any recommendations accepted too..
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Well, let me put it like that. Our phone has about 60-65% of the GPU power the latest phones (The one with Adreno 330), our GPU has to render exactly half the pixels cause we have 720p display compare to 1080p. And that's indeed the case. In benchmarks Xperia SP has the same fps (frames per second) as HTC One M8, Xperia Z2, etc. ±10%
So, yes.
I myself am playing Asphalt 8, Dungeon Hunter 4, Dead Trigger 2 on highest setting with smooth gameplay and zero lag.
When it comes to "Stock vs custom ROM/kernel" performance, I'd say that there is significant no difference. Custom kernels give you a little bit CPU boost, but that doesn't really affects games, while custom ROMs's performance isn't as good as the stock one, since Sony didn't provide us with the source and we have to use hacks, in order to be able to run 4.4+.
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Klaudas said:
4.3 [207/205] have ram problems. It fc most games. But in custom roms everything seems be okay. Recently I flashed mokee[4.4.4, ubl] and everything is perfect[battery lasts as good as 4.3 or even better, perfomance much better....]. If you want to stay with stock or stock based rom I didn't suggest you to buy xperia SP.
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The problem is on your end. I was with stock ROM for over a month before switching to Custom ROM and I had no issues what so ever. Please don't spread false information.
eSu.Matix said:
Well, let me put it like that. Our phone has about 60-65% of the GPU power the latest phones (The one with Adreno 330), our GPU has to render exactly half the pixels cause we have 720p display compare to 1080p. And that's indeed the case. In benchmarks Xperia SP has the same fps (frames per second) as HTC One M8, Xperia Z2, etc. ±10%
So, yes.
I myself am playing Asphalt 8, Dungeon Hunter 4, Dead Trigger 2 on highest setting with smooth gameplay and zero lag.
When it comes to "Stock vs custom ROM/kernel" performance, I'd say that there is significant no difference. Custom kernels give you a little bit CPU boost, but that doesn't really affects games, while custom ROMs's performance isn't as good as the stock one, since Sony didn't provide us with the source and we have to use hacks, in order to be able to run 4.4+.
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Yes, you can play most high end games but stock rom ram managment are sh*t. After 24h~ usage free ram left 220-150mb most~. I tried "play" with ram manager but It didn't help.
Klaudas said:
Yes, you can play most high end games but stock rom ram managment are sh*t. After 24h~ usage free ram left 220-150mb most~. I tried "play" with ram manager but It didn't help.
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Just because you don't know how to operate with your phone, that doesn't mean that the phone/ROM is bad. Even with stock ROM I had 250~300MB of free RAM with SwiftKey, NovaLauncher, WidgetLocker, Viber, WhatsApp, few xposed modules, etc.
As I said, the problem is/was on your end...
eSu.Matix said:
Just because you don't know how to operate with your phone, that doesn't mean that the phone/ROM is bad. Even with stock ROM I had 250~300MB of free RAM with SwiftKey, NovaLauncher, WidgetLocker, Viber, WhatsApp, few xposed modules, etc.
As I said, the problem is/was on your end...
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Can you make few SS for me after 24h[ofcourse no reboots]?. If you have more than 10-15 apps installed like me you won't get that amount of ram left after 24h~. No way.
as if certain user experiences would be a lie.
So does it worth the buy or any recommendations?
cabba403 said:
So does it worth the buy or any recommendations?
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With stock rom you won't be able to play high end games without reboots for free ram. If you have time for flashing custom roms everything fine! But if you want to stay with stock I suggest you to buy LG L90 for example.
I wouldnt buy this phone in your place (I wish I hadn't bought it for myself too)
cabba403 said:
So does it worth the buy or any recommendations?
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In it's price range it's the best phone specs wise.
Moto G is a worth buy as well, but it has Adreno 305 which is about twice as slow as our Adreno 320. If you like gaming Xperia SP is the best buy, however it reached it's EOL so you must rely on custom ROMs for further software updates. While Moto G will receive Android L for sure, and I'm pretty sure Motorola will keep maintaining it at less till the end of 2015 since the new Moto G 2014 is pretty similar to the Moto G 2013. But still Moto G's LTE model with SD Card cost more, so you must put this in consideration as well. Going with either phone, you will be pretty pleased. But if I had to buy a new phone now and I had ~150€ to spend I will definitely go with Xperia SP.
P.S.: I have both phones.
Thanks , for your information.
I'm sure to consider the Xperia SP.
Do you mind , if i ask you about the camera of this phone?
cabba403 said:
Thanks , for your information.
I'm sure to consider the Xperia SP.
Do you mind , if i ask you about the camera of this phone?
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Rear camera is quite decent. Here are few threads with shots from it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-sp/themes-apps/post-photo-xperia-sp-t2823275
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2304148
check it
cabba403 said:
Thanks , for your information.
I'm sure to consider the Xperia SP.
Do you mind , if i ask you about the camera of this phone?
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this is phone is supposedly great but, as other user mention, the RAM is lacking so it makes it lagging. Sure some games run fine. but try playing real racing 3 with no modifications. it'll burn your battery (doesn't literally burn it, i just mean really hot) and it often lags.
camera wise, it depends on preference. for me this camera sometimes get awesome results outdoor, but it has same problem with many xperia phone. lots of noise if u zoom.
if u have time, read my 1 year review http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2778795
The SP's gaming performance is pretty decent - and great for the price. If you're looking to get some idea of what 2D and 3D GPU performance is when choosing a new phone, searching for Antutu benchmarks isn't a bad place to start.
As for the camera, passable outdoors (but noisy), worthless indoors. Mine has even started taking out of focus pictures, even after half pressing camera button to focus first. Might be something to do with the len's protective film being removed (due to scratches)
The issue i have now is that it easily heats up when playing 3d games. Think before buying if you're a gamer.
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carlfinity said:
The issue i have now is that it easily heats up when playing 3d games. Think before buying if you're a gamer.
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Well I found out all devices I've ever used, my friends, my father's are all prone to heat up when playing high end games. This should not be the problem. As far as my inspection on my XSP, it won't get over the 41 degree Celsius barrier. However, I don't know about others though.
Now for some small hardware lecture. Ahem.
3D Games require more power
More power means the processor will step up its clock rate
Higher clock rate means higher power
Processors emits heat upon high power usage
Thus the heat you get.
Ambient temperature can make it worse too, so don't ever do gaming in a hot environment
TechnoSparks said:
Well I found out all devices I've ever used, my friends, my father's are all prone to heat up when playing high end games. This should not be the problem. As far as my inspection on my XSP, it won't get over the 41 degree Celsius barrier. However, I don't know about others though.
Now for some small hardware lecture. Ahem.
3D Games require more power
More power means the processor will step up its clock rate
Higher clock rate means higher power
Processors emits heat upon high power usage
Thus the heat you get.
Ambient temperature can make it worse too, so don't ever do gaming in a hot environment
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Mine too doesnt go pass the 40 degrees mark however other Sony models specially the newer ones feel less hotter than SP so something about this phone is not right.
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carlfinity said:
Mine too doesnt go pass the 40 degrees mark however other Sony models specially the newer ones feel less hotter than SP so something about this phone is not right.
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Well what you feel is different from what it really is. I believe checking the CPU temp on the newer Sony devices (x degree), and compare with our devices (40-41 degree) will finally unfold the mystery behind XSP heating, perhaps?
And difference between dual core and quad core do play an important role, you know
TechnoSparks said:
Well what you feel is different from what it really is. I believe checking the CPU temp on the newer Sony devices (x degree), and compare with our devices (40-41 degree) will finally unfold the mystery behind XSP heating, perhaps?
And difference between dual core and quad core do play an important role, you know
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That makes it seem ironic, does 4 cores draw more power compared with our dual core? I believe so, since newer Sony models have more or less 2.0 ghz clock speed. I still can't believe those devices felt less hotter given the power that they carry. Anyways, this is just my observation that I hope will benefit the soon to be owners of this device.
It seems that OP3 has some Memory Management issues right no:
http://www.gsmarena.com/video_shows_the_oneplus_3_struggling_to_manage_its_6gb_of_ram-blog-18866.php
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYv8YQJbJaQ
Let's hope OP and/or custom ROM developers will fix that in a near future. Otherwise, 6GB would be completely useless.
tnttrx said:
It seems that OP3 has some Memory Management issues right no:
http://www.gsmarena.com/video_shows_the_oneplus_3_struggling_to_manage_its_6gb_of_ram-blog-18866.php
Let's hope OP and/or custom ROM developers will fix that in a near future. Otherwise, 6GB would be completely useless.
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That looks pretty bad from the YouTube vid, hope its fixable
Really want to know if the test has been made before or after updating to OOS 3.1.2... and what OOS 3.1.2 changelog is !
I think it was made before the update. They said in another video that they have had it since June 5th and that they will be releasing multiple videos soon. I am guessing this is one of those videos. But that doesn't mean it is fixed.
I have posted a question about update 3.1.2 to video owner.
Let's see what he replies.
To me this comment makes a lot of sense too:
Very interesting test, but not very conclusive. From video history of the same test performed on different devices by C4ETech:
1:05 - 1:54 - 1st and 2nd round - Galaxy S7 (exynos, 4Gb)
1:01 - 1:35 - 1st and 2nd round - Galaxy S7 Edge (exynos, 4Gb)
1:24 - 2:00 - 1st and 2nd round - HTC 10 (SD820, 4Gb)
1:05 - 2:10 - 1st and 2nd round - LG G5 (SD820, 4Gb)
1:10 - 2:22 - 1st and 2nd round - Oneplus 3 (SD820, 6Gb)
If you compare those numbers, you will see that:
1) +/- 5 seconds don't really mean anything. S7E vs S7 with same CPU and same ram in 2 tests gave different results in the 1st round.
2) Memory management can be luck of the draw and depends on other factors. Again difference is S7 vs S7E clearly shows that one app is still in memory in one test and not in memory on the other, even though hardware and software are almost the same (if you don't consider S7 and S7E to be all that different). Otherwise you might as well call S7E "awesome" phone and S7 "crappy" phone.
3) Speed of all those (except HTC10) is almost the same judging by the 1st round. HTC10 is just a bit slower due to storage (emmc on HTC 10 vs ufs on others)
4) Now that new phones have so much memory (that is clearly not utilized to full potential), there really should be an update to the android system as a whole to take advantage of it. I don't see any reason for any of these devices (regardless of 4Gb or 6Gb) to unload apps from memory in the scenario of this test. Good thing is that tools/apps exist that can force system to keep apps in memory, if desired, but it is not really a substitute for better native memory management (by android as a whole) that can take advantage of all the ram available.
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Yeahj.. just wait for the update
And even if it was the slowest of them it comes with dev friendly sources and not with a locked bootloader and too high price
dev friendly sources should be the way to overcome this issue at least in custom ROMs... we will see...
Carl Pei wrote on twitter, that they did this on purpose for better battery life and it is possible to change it within the framework, if someone wants to change it.
Shusky said:
Carl Pei wrote on twitter, that they did this on purpose for better battery life and it is possible to change it within the framework, if someone wants to change it.
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OMG!
well, freeze app, don't let it do anything, no data, no CPU usage -> that will save battery.
do not throw it away from RAM!
tnttrx said:
OMG!
well, freeze app, don't let it do anything, no data, no CPU usage -> that will save battery.
do not throw it away from RAM!
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What exactly are we seeing here that people are calling memory management issues? OOM/LMK limits? Or are we stashing too much in RAM? I can't see the video because of the network I am on. I am certain it can be fixed regardless and tuned to ensure the issue is gone.
DespairFactor said:
What exactly are we seeing here that people are calling memory management issues? OOM/LMK limits? Or are we stashing too much in RAM? I can't see the video because of the network I am on. I am certain it can be fixed regardless and tuned to ensure the issue is gone.
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Exactly OOM/LMK limits. 16 apps are opened, then 2 large games are kicked from the cache and have to reload. That's about it.
Will there be any xposed mod possible for this issue?
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Same guy did a new video with 3.1.2 update and compared.
I have the device in hand now and not seeing any issues with all apps open not one relloaded but if i open all on my s7e some start to reload
DespairFactor said:
What exactly are we seeing here that people are calling memory management issues? OOM/LMK limits? Or are we stashing too much in RAM? I can't see the video because of the network I am on. I am certain it can be fixed regardless and tuned to ensure the issue is gone.
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The LMK limits are messed up. It is too aggressive in killing apps....btw what have you decided? Will you support our phone or undecided yet? I hope you get on board the OP3 train!! Peace
Konskl said:
The LMK limits are messed up. It is too aggressive in killing apps....btw what have you decided? Will you support our phone or undecided yet? I hope you get on board the OP3 train!! Peace
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If you root, I know kernel adiutor let's you change the limits, if you have 6gb of ram you may as well be like Samsung and use it all. What are you guys seeing for usage with no apps running? And what is the amount you see apps getting killed at?
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If you root, I know kernel adiutor let's you change the limits, if you have 6gb of ram you may as well be like Samsung and use it all. What are you guys seeing for usage with no apps running? And what is the amount you see apps getting killed at?
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If no apps are open the unused ram is around 4.6gb out of 5.6gb
tnttrx said:
I have posted a question about update 3.1.2 to video owner.
Let's see what he replies.
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He replied with a new video. Check it out!