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Yes guys, the time has come (LoL), I put my Incredible S on the market. I planned this for a long time now. My idea was to roll out a fully-working 4.3, which is probably the last Android version, which the Incredible S will run. I'm building and building, hopefully I have a proper 4.3 now with video playback fix, I won't sell my phone, till it won't work.
You may interested, why I wanna sell my phone, and here is the reason:
As we know, the hTC stopped the Incredible S's (and other msm7x30 board's) support after ICS. That means, we need to use the good old 3.0 kernel. The 3.0's support will stop in this October. We have many problems with this kernel's support. The 3.0 kernel doesn't support Jelly Bean specific things, for example the two most important: ION memory-allocator (our 3.0 kernel uses PMEM), and vsync. The vsync would be the smaller problem, it can be disabled easily, but because of the lack of vsync, our Project Butter will never work fully. The second shot into the vsync's head is that we have MDDI screen. This is a screen technology, but because of this, the vsync is impossible to port. But, as I said, the vsync is the smaller problem. The bigger is the ION. As you saw, I got it working with Sense 5. But, the camera will never work with ION on Incredible S, cause it needs a new driver, called "V4L2" (Video for Linux), which is only in the 3.4 kernel branch. To port back this driver, that would take months, and I haven't got enough knowledge to do it.
Because this bloody 3.0 kernel, the Sense 5 issues can't be fixed (at least by me). But the Sense 5 is still the smaller problem. Here is a bigger one, which makes me angry, and that's why I sell my device. For AOSP ROMs, the ION also won't be a problem, we can use it PMEM as well (as you saw), but, and here is the but... Our processor is an earlier revision of MSM8255, which doesn't support something which will be needed by Android 5.0. That means, the 5.0 won't work here, or there is only a small hope to get it working.
This is the reason, and I'm very, very said to sell my device, and I really love it! You may have the idea, why don't we port back a 3.4 CAF kernel to our device, cause they did it to Sony Ericsson and Samsung msm7x30 devices. The reason is, that the hTC has many crap in the kernels. That means, we can't port it, it would be a nearly impossible project. My DEV friend tried it, who much better than me, he has bigger knowledge, and he stopped working on it, cause he said it's impossible.
That means, the Incredible S will probably die with Android 4.3, and Sense ICS. Anyway, it had a great support period, from 2.2 to 4.3. This is quite rare.
As I said, I'll roll out a fully-working 4.3, and I hope that there will be a or some guys who will continue the building!
I'll change to hTC Desire X, which is the cheapest device which got official Sense Jelly Bean with 3.4 kernel. You see, I don't need faster, or stronger device, if the IncS would have a 3.4 kernel, I wouldn't sell it...
About the Sense 5, I gave the permission to S.a.M.e.R_d to use my files, kernel etc... Yeah, he promised that he'll fix the bugs, and he won't let you down. What should I say? I think, may you should give him a new chance, may he is true, and he'll bring bugfixes to The Unimaginable.
At last, I wanna give a huge thanks to the whole Incredible S community!!! You're great guys, I can't thank you enough, that you were with me when my thread was closed, that was a real incredible job! No homo, but I really love you, all of you guys, and I'm said that I need to leave you!
Enjoy the CM10.2 on this amazing which was the first which got Sense JB, which is a huge breakthrough, this device is really amazing, and I love it!
That was all, I hope, you understand, and I hope, I was a part of this community.
I won't go away fully, just slowly, but my first priority is the Desire X now with that bloody 3.4 kernel..
Bye guys, and huge thanks ALL OF YOU!
We love you szezso, the work you have contributed to this awesome community is something that you just cannot express in words. The way you work hard and put in countless hours. The Inc S community are the most privileged community to even recieve a piece of work from a humble developer like you. You will remain forever branded in the Inc S XDA life and hope the Desire X community can only welcome you with extreme kindness and they should know how lucky they are to have someone like you.
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Wow. I dont know what to say. I dont know if i am more jelly because desire x has an amazing dev at their disposal and we dont have anybody or that we are most likely not going to be supported anymore, but I guess this was expected..
But, from the bottom of my heart, Thank you so much. You have breathed new life into our phone, and tbh I wasnt expecting 4.3 let alone 5.0.. Although it is sad that Unimaginable will not be fully fixed, I dont really care.. You have done enough for us...
Unfortunately, I will be stuck with this phone until the end of next year, as I am not as rich as some people in this forum (lawl mark)
Once again, thanks so much for your work. I hope the Desire X forum recognises you as much as we did, (or more).
Farewell,
Sent from one of the few remaining Incredible S'
SZEZSO MATE just want to say thanks for what you have done for us, you have taught me a lot, I am sure a lot of people have learnt and been inspired by your work.
Even though you are relatively new to the dev scene its been amazing watching your knowledge grow, from your first ROMs to now being able to boot jb sense and 4.3 on a legacy device
We have seen many people come and go, and we might be losing one of our last true developers
I love you man
And this is for everyone else:
I just want you to know that aside from all the usual suspects you made a huge difference for all the lurkers like myself. Thanks for the dedication!
You are going, and all the Incredibles are orphaned now :crying:
its rly bad news for all of us..v all luv u szezso..watever u did for us is really incredible...as u r leaving this inc s thread ill also sell my inc s...ill miss u nd urs awsum work...feeling really bad...
Sent from my Incredible S S710e using Tapatalk 2
I teared up and almost cried :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:
This has got to be some of the worst news I've ever read since I rooted my Incredible S. Hopefully Android 4.3 stays fast and snappy until December of next year (since that's when my contract ends and I'm allowed to get a new phone)
Respect to Szeszo!
Maybe, when you get to Desire X, you can work with Cpkv5 (or however you spell it, I forgot ). Help them get their Sense 5 like you so brilliantly gave us Maybe give them AOSP too since I see that many of their AOSP kernels don't have working WiFi and the such.
If the Desire X people doesn't like you, tell us, and we'll go over and fix'em right
SOMEBODY HAND SZESZO HIS RECOGNIZED DEVELOPER TAG. SCREW THE REQUIREMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks a lot Szezo.. You have been amazing for long time now and got me jawdropped when I saw Sense 5.0 and JB 4.3 Rom!! Respect for what all you have learnt and dedicated your time for us. May Desire X forum welcome you with all glory.
All the best for your Future..
It's like Ted is leaving the Stallions.
A huge desaster for us.
But we have to handle it.
Good bye szezso, and thanks for all the fi̶̶s̶̶h̶ ROMs.
Thank you Szezso for all your time you dedicate to our lovely Incredible S! And I think that all of we can courageously change IncS to Desire X, because we know that it will not die, because it will be supported buy great developer!
When you fix the video bug,I can continue to compile the new CM 10.1 or 10.2 rom
Really sad about the fact that such a great developer as you, Szezso, is leaving our community. May the luck and peace be with you and let the community of Desire X kneel down to you! (that was definitely cheesy )
@SZEZSO , Thank you for all you have done to this community
I wish all the best to you
Shock, Oh one of the best developer is leaving from here.
Thank you for all you done for community.
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Thanks guys, I'm very glad to see your comments! I can't say anything, only one thing: HUGE THANKS TO ALL OF YOU, THIS IS A GREAT COMMUNITY!!! If you want to use my new ROMs, the Desire X thread is open for everybody, you'll find me there! :highfive:
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Thank you so much Szezso for all your work on our beloved device!
I know many people have said it but it's true: You are the reason why many of us do not have a new phone.
I hope that cm 10.2 will be fully working like you said so!
Keep in Touch
Well You might be changing your device but you will be keeping in touch. I am sure. And we all are thankful to you and we respect and love you (yeah no homo) haha and we love your work. I wish the unimaginable could get better we all do. but you described the problem pretty much. We all wished it to get fully rnning but I admit even booting sense 5 was a remarkable job.
We will miss you bro.
and as i said keep in touch.
Thank you that was with us. Please renew the kernels here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2385808
Thanks=)))
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Thank you that was with us. Please renew the kernels here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2385808
Thanks=)))
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What are you talking about? Those are the latest editions there. And the only Android OS that's missing there is 4.3. We only have only 1 4.3 ROM here and that comes default with TESCO V2.9++
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Hi everyone,
I've decided to start a thread dedicated to my SDK port of ICS. I want to extend a thank you to Joel, who initially got this booting on our device.
Some of you may know that I've made some progess on one of the biggest issues with the port on our phone (and many many other HTC phones actually), which was the touchscreen. I've ported the driver from the Samsung Nexus S (uses the same touchscreen sensor as the Inc) and gotten it to work with the CM7 kernel (from cuviper). And now the touchscreen works in ICS as well!
This ROM is not a daily driver, although if we did get that far it would rock , but since we don't have the source yet I'm not expecting anything too incredible . My goal for this ROM is to get as much of our hardware working with what we have, which is existing files from GB that may or may not help, as well as kernel and driver hacking. Once the source drops for ICS, with any luck our work here will enable ICS to be ported sooner because of tweaks and modifications to the kernel that may very well be needed with a source port anyways. My idea is to get as much work done ahead of time as possible, I suppose.
So PLEASE, do not complain about features that aren't implemented yet, or other parts that don't work as you would expect. I don't expect anything to work as we expect! That's the whole point of this. And also keep your negative comments about SDK ports to yourselves if possible. As I said, this is not to create a 100% functional SDK port. It's to make as much functional as possible so that ourselves and others will perhaps have fewer hurdles and headaches to overcome when the ICS source becomes available. Especially since we can't really expect an ICS update for the Incredible or many other similar HTC phones, meaning we may never see kernel source from them to help us.
Current download links:
Here's the link to my current progress: incredible_ics_v0.01-signed.zip
This is a flashable zip for CWM. You'll need to wipe data/cache as usual.
The touchscreen currently works in "pointer" mode, meaning it acts as if its a trackball/touchpad to move the cursor on the screen. Pressing with two fingers is interpreted as a touch to select things. This is not ideal.
If you'd like to try and help out, try messing with the .idc files. I was able to get rid of cursor mode by using some others from other devices, but the touch seemed very...ehh...not correct. Messing with the values in the files seemed to change how it behaved, but we need a correct .idc file to make things work the way they should. If you find one and want to try it, you'll have to create the directory (/system/usr/idc) and push the file to it through ADB. Android loads it upon boot. Also, it must be named "mxt224_ts_input.idc" otherwise it wont load the file. I plan to work on the .idc predicament myself at some point soon, but I'm still trying to hash out a few touchscreen driver ideas that may be a better solution.
Please read:
If you figure anything out, please post here! Or if you have trouble with something, post here with a logcat and a dmesg dump. They're pretty simple to do. To get a logcat, turn off your device, then turn it on. Once the white Incredible screen is up, type "adb logcat > logcat.txt" into your terminal/command prompt. Once it's done booting you can CRTL+C to stop it from logging. After this, back on your terminal, enter "adb shell /system/bin/dmesg > dmesg.txt" to get the dmesg dump. Grab those and zip them up and post them here for someone to look at.
Source:
Incredible kernel github repo: github.com/swm5126/cm-kernel
ROM github repo: github.com/swm5126/Incredible_Ice_Cream_Sandwich
Everything else:
And finally if you're interested in the progress being made on touchscreen drivers, take a look here. Currently, I'm trying to see if instead of using the Samsung driver, we can use the HTC driver with some modifications to make it work correctly for ICS.
*This is by no means only just "my" port and work here. I encourage anyone with any knowledge, from our device or even others to add to the discussion and help out as they please. I only aim to manage mine and others progress in one place.
*I am not all that knowledgeable with kernel/driver programming and modifications. I'm versed in programming a few languages, but I've never done any system level stuff, and I'm learning (A TON by the way) of things as I go by tweaking and testing things. Which means that I may, or may not know what I'm talking about. If I've provided inaccurate information, please tell me so I can correct it!
Phew. Anyways, please try it out if you'd like.
I also added a donation email in my profile, if anyone would like to donate. I wont be hurt if you don't, but if you do, THANK YOU!
Reserved for future use
I just want to thank you for all the hard work you've been doing on this. It is projects like this that keep our devices as current as they can be, and interesting. So, thanks a lot to everyone involved.
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I just want to thank you for all the hard work you've been doing on this. It is projects like this that keep our devices as current as they can be, and interesting. So, thanks a lot to everyone involved.
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I couldn't have said it any better.
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badogg said:
I just want to thank you for all the hard work you've been doing on this. It is projects like this that keep our devices as current as they can be, and interesting. So, thanks a lot to everyone involved.
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And this why I am sending him a donation right now. Thank you, your work is greatly appreciated.
Ok, I'm gonna need a little help! I tried playing around with this, but now I can't get out!! AHHHHHH!! power and volume down doesn't get me to the bootloader. What can I do?
edit - yes it did..whew!! but it was absolutely awesome!! thanks!
badogg said:
i just want to thank you for all the hard work you've been doing on this. It is projects like this that keep our devices as current as they can be, and interesting. So, thanks a lot to everyone involved.
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amen +1
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I love you.
ooooooohh eeeeemmmmm geeeeeeee
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Tried it real quick. Nice!
I'll be the first to admit that I have no interest in trying ICS on the Inc lol BUT I have to say, thank you for working on this. I hope to see this progress tremendously once the source hits.
I installed this to check it out. Wow. I'm really excited to see what kind of ICS love is going to come to my beloved Dinc from this. I really liked the little bits I could see.
Cheers!
Good stuff man, you're a champ. Thanks for being adventurous
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Neat! I was wondering what you were up to with that clone of my repo.
I haven't actually tried your port yet, but for the touchscreen stuff, I suspect that the userspace parts are just expecting certain interfaces exposed by the kernel driver. We should know better with full source, of course. But I would guess the right answer will be changes in userspace, because obviously not all devices will be able to have the same touchscreen driver. Well we'll see. Hope to see you in CM when ICS finally comes out.
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Neat! I was wondering what you were up to with that clone of my repo.
I haven't actually tried your port yet, but for the touchscreen stuff, I suspect that the userspace parts are just expecting certain interfaces exposed by the kernel driver. We should know better with full source, of course. But I would guess the right answer will be changes in userspace, because obviously not all devices will be able to have the same touchscreen driver. Well we'll see. Hope to see you in CM when ICS finally comes out.
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What you said is exactly what I've been thinking, I just haven't been able to tell what data the Samsung driver is letting the OS see that the HTC driver doesn't.
They seem very identical in terms of the output they generate and where it's stored. Obviously something is different though. And it's really annoying, because the HTC driver actually produces MORE data and is much more explicit in reporting exactly what its doing to the point that it looks very confusing and messy even when you compare to Samsung's driver. I don't think HTC would try and make it confusing unnecessarily though, and other drivers they have written look similar in the way they work and report data.
That said, I've actually been using the Samsung driver on my daily driver install of CM7 and I think it works better. It feels more responsive and can register the pressure of my touch more accurately (feels like it anyways). But it crashes maybe once or twice a day, and the screen will just stay on and become unresponsive. Haven't figured that out yet but it only does it in certain applications.
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Really looking forward to seeing what people put out when the source drops.
Sent from my Incredibly awesome Droid Incredible.
Can this help?
http://www.androidcentral.com/galaxy-nexus-boot-recovery-and-system-dumps-now-available
dunndada said:
Can this help?
http://www.androidcentral.com/galaxy-nexus-boot-recovery-and-system-dumps-now-available
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http://android.modaco.com/topic/348194-04-nov-icl23d-galaxy-nexus-boot-recovery-system-dump/
^direct link to the thread.
Yeah. I probably wont be the first to say it will probably help Trying to get them now. Stupid filesonic. Don't know why people don't use mediafire!
I'm going to start working on this later, as I seemed to have found a better solution for the touchscreen drivers, and am now able to use the original HTC driver with a slight modification
Great.... this is helping me deal with the wait on the nexus.
Hi,
HELP STOP THE SENSE PLAGUE!!!
I initially posted this:
bennec83 said:
This is real good...i am running ICS on Sensation, and it is fantastic (apart from the random reboots and FC every 5 mins!)
although i think the dev of that rom has decided to drop it!
I absolutely cannot stand HTC sense...I am really hoping for this to work!!
(also I am willing to pay someone decent $$$ to make a non sense rom for now....JUST throwing that out there...if your interested...message me!)
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Thinking that there would be no support for my pledge, but within a few hours there were more replies:
lsun06 said:
I'm also willing to pay decent money for a ROM w NO sense....hate it !
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jpitch2415 said:
If we get it in the next month or so I'm donating $50 , after playing around with a nexus I love me some ics not so much the phone but its soooo smooth
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So all in all:
bennec83 said:
Im also in for $50-100...so there seems to be around $200 for grabs at the moment...maybe ill start a thread and post it in the sense rom threads to get some interest!!
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I call to all SENSE haters...add your pledges here
I call to all devs...need a challenge and some reward for doing it...pm me or post here!!!
The rom would have to be maintained and improved etc, not just an initial few releases and then dropped like a lot of the HTC Sensation Virtuous roms and such like.....
Why didnt you go with the s2 or the 4s then if you knew this was going to have htc sense on stock
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Why didnt you go with the s2 or the 4s then if you knew this was going to have htc sense on stock
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the what or what?
That's like asking, why not buy the miata instead of the mustang...I like the mustang and the potential, miata is cheap and ugly.....I like the vivid, hate the sense.
I was quoted as offering for a non sense from...I'd give every bit of 50.00.
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Why didnt you go with the s2 or the 4s then if you knew this was going to have htc sense on stock
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x1000000000000000
I don't know why are you guys asking for a non-sense ROM for a HTC device, if you hate sense that much you should go for the Samsung Galaxy S2 or the Skyrocket or the Galaxy Nexus or the crappy iPhone 4S or any other device of any other brand for that matters, they have almost the same tech specs of the Holiday/Raider/Vivid/Velocity and THEY DON'T HAVE SENSE!!!
I did my ROM because I love sense 3.5 and I love this device for having sense and I love HTC for everything they do with sense.
So this is a no go for me, being a dev for this device is because I DO WANT to have the smoothest sense on my phone.
Sorry and good luck with this.
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That's like asking, why not buy the miata instead of the mustang...I like the mustang and the potential, miata is cheap and ugly.....I like the vivid, hate the sense.
I was quoted as offering for a non sense from...I'd give every bit of 50.00.
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I don't know why are you guys asking for a non-sense ROM for a HTC device, if you hate sense that much you should go for the Samsung Galaxy S2 or the Skyrocket or the Galaxy Nexus or the crappy iPhone 4S or any other device of any other brand for that matters, they have almost the same tech specs of the Holiday/Raider/Vivid/Velocity and THEY DON'T HAVE SENSE!!!
I did my ROM because I love sense 3.5 and I love this device for having sense and I love HTC for everything they do with sense.
So this is a no go for me, being a dev for this device is because I DO WANT to have the smoothest sense on my phone.
Sorry and good luck with this.
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Your question has been answered by the post above, the devices you mentioned may have the same specs, but ! I dont like samsung, or iPhone!
Every HTC device I have had has had pretty much a 50/50 split with pure AOSP/Sensless and sense, this is the only time I have seen a HTC device with ONLY Sense custom Roms!
Thanks anyway!
Being as this is a device thats not that popular, youll be waiting awhile for anything like that....sorry to say it but i personally cant stand plain jane android....got rid of samsung skyrocket,still have the lg nitro sitting in the box collecting dust....i like the sense on a phone...to each their own @preferences but youll be hard pressed to find a dev thats goingn to devote all the time to another type of build for this phone right now....
WC
bennec83 said:
Your question has been answered by the post above, the devices you mentioned may have the same specs, but ! I dont like samsung, or iPhone!
Every HTC device I have had has had pretty much a 50/50 split with pure AOSP/Sensless and sense, this is the only time I have seen a HTC device with ONLY Sense custom Roms!
Thanks anyway!
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device gets unlocked bootloader end of december, and by february people are demanding cm7/cm9/aosp
its not like our section is crawling with devs, dude. fk we cant even get some themers going. WC is right, device wasnt very popular, and it was screwed out of the gate by the locked bootloader..... #blameATT
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device gets unlocked bootloader end of december, and by february people are demanding cm7/cm9/aosp
its not like our section is crawling with devs, dude. fk we cant even get some themers going. WC is right, device wasnt very popular, and it was screwed out of the gate by the locked bootloader..... #blameATT
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I am a themer...what do you want themed!!!
seroiusly...so you telling me i have just paid a boatload for a piece of crap...this device has literally only just been released over in AUS!!
HAPPY HOUR RANTS.....gotta love em...lmao
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device gets unlocked bootloader end of december, and by february people are demanding cm7/cm9/aosp
its not like our section is crawling with devs, dude. fk we cant even get some themers going. WC is right, device wasnt very popular, and it was screwed out of the gate by the locked bootloader..... #blameATT
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I am a themer...what do you want themed!!! seroiusly...
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please....theme our sense roms to make them not so......sense... LOL
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please....theme our sense roms to make them not so......sense... LOL
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this was something i worked on a while ago...maybe i could port it for sense...
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device gets unlocked bootloader end of december, and by february people are demanding cm7/cm9/aosp
its not like our section is crawling with devs, dude. fk we cant even get some themers going. WC is right, device wasnt very popular, and it was screwed out of the gate by the locked bootloader..... #blameATT
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True that. I can only imagine what things would be like if we were unlocked from the start, this phone had a hell of a lot going for it. The whole bootloader thing dropped the value of this phone like a rock too, at least here on XDA. I don't even want to know what the value of my Vivid will be when I eventually switch to a new phone...
Theme looks good !
To be fair, I appreciate WC, Pirate and rest of devs working on the Sense themes. I've played w them all. Im just not a huge fan of sense. So I understand what bennec is asking for. I'm ready for cm9
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Theme looks good !
To be fair, I appreciate WC, Pirate and rest of devs working on the Sense themes. I've played w them all. Im just not a huge fan of sense. So I understand what bennec is asking for. I'm ready for cm9
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thanks for that...im currently using the pirate rom, but i have put ADW over the top and disabled sense using super tool although the AOSP dialer, contacts MMS settings etc are FAR FAR better than the crap in Sense.
Remove sense and it would be like removing a potato wedged in the exhaust if a Lamborgini!! VIVID would FLY!!
Ya see, I love sense, I hate plain android on 2.3 , ics is completely different for me for some reason
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Oh your welcome bennec
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ICS rocks...i have been running on my sensation for ages...it is such a shame to upgrade the handset then have to downgrade the OS...
i guess it is always 1 step forward 2 setp backl!!
I agree its not popular , in fact I do want something else instead but I did sign a two year with this
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There Are themers here. Just gotta ask me man. Lol. And! You did ask me in some thread, and then vanished! . Km down to work on a rom with you PG
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is it me or is it the rom developments for incs has slowed down significantly?
i dont see any new roms popping up.. most of the recently active roms have slowed down too.. are we getting left behind?
think (hope) it will pickup after first official ICS Sense roms starts to leak. on the other hand, incredible S is starting to be a bit outdated (although it has some decent hardware), more focus seems to be on the dual core, more popular devices. we gotta admit, incredible s isn't that popular - we don't even officially have it on any carriers in my country.
I think the main cause is 'android fragmentation'. You may have heard of this term before. There's too many android devices, each further HTC device release caused all of us to separate into different development sections.
Back in the G1, Nexus one days it was much easier since there were relatively few devices..
Now all the new stuff's out, lots of people want to jump to Galaxy Nexus, so on.
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think (hope) it will pickup after first official ICS Sense roms starts to leak. on the other hand, incredible S is starting to be a bit outdated (although it has some decent hardware), more focus seems to be on the dual core, more popular devices. we gotta admit, incredible s isn't that popular - we don't even officially have it on any carriers in my country.
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The funny thing is dual core doesn't offer much improvement over the single, it seems like a lot of hype going on over nothing. probably over 3/4th or I dare say 90+% of the market is still written for single core applications.
I have the asus transformer 1 and most times I feel like performance is on par if not the same with the IncS, but when compared to my HTC Flyer (View) it feels much speedier since it's got a 1.5Ghz clock speed, the extra 500mhz shows sometimes. It takes heavy games like Shadowgun to see the difference between all devices, which can't be seen much in general surfing and regular phone related app use.
This is one thing that Apple has the advantage to in their gameplay strategy for devs, since they keep the releases specific, once a year. Development of their devices can be pooled and properly 'coordinated' without them moving onto different branches due to hardware, SoC, camera issues and so on.
Agree, if the first ICS HTC ROMs are leaked, development will gain momentum.
Right now, lots of work is spent on getting the camera working in ICS AOSP.
also, we gotta look at this ROM development as a hobby of the devs, one that usually starts with enthusiasm but over time proves to be very time consuming and falls last on their list of priorities. and unfortunately not a lot of people are willing or have the knowledge to fill in for the devs that get out of the game. i'm still reading up on android basics and kernel development, trying to make my first mix. Custom ROM development won't pay the bills, its mostly charity work.
You got to be grateful and appreciate their work.
Just last week there was a developer inviting testers for his vivo port http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1475459 and yet strangely, I don't see you contributing anything to the thread... in fact the response from the whole incredible s community was actually pretty unwelcoming. If I was a developer I would bypass this phone also, which seems to be pretty much what happened 6+ months ago.
Somehow, I missed that thread. I tend to not really read the index in general section often but I read the index of the dev section frequently.
I'm trying to jumpstart some action into the IncS, may not be much, but I have been building CM7.2 kangs and in the middle of testing building a CM9 kang, see how it goes.
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Just last week there was a developer inviting testers for his vivo port http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1475459 and yet strangely, I don't see you contributing anything to the thread... in fact the response from the whole incredible s community was actually pretty unwelcoming. If I was a developer I would bypass this phone also, which seems to be pretty much what happened 6+ months ago.
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i seemed to have missed his thread. will go over and take a look now
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also, we gotta look at this ROM development as a hobby of the devs, one that usually starts with enthusiasm but over time proves to be very time consuming and falls last on their list of priorities. and unfortunately not a lot of people are willing or have the knowledge to fill in for the devs that get out of the game. i'm still reading up on android basics and kernel development, trying to make my first mix. Custom ROM development won't pay the bills, its mostly charity work.
You got to be grateful and appreciate their work.
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i understand that, but the point that i want to point out here is that is our device getting left behind? im already thinking whether to sell my incs off and get a sensation instead but thinking back how hard nik and the guys worked so hard, it held me back for a moment
So you need to flash your phone 5 times or more per day to be satisfied? Why not use it instead? Heavy case of ORD .
hey bro,see this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490881
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So you need to flash your phone 5 times or more per day to be satisfied? Why not use it instead? Heavy case of ORD .
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lol ORD. not that man.. it's just that i see new roms popping out in the dhd section and the people there are always active and they never sleep. just wondering how can the dhd (old phone) be more popular than incs (newer) lol
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hey bro,see this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490881
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i saw it bro. im pretty much worked up right now haha~ cant wait to try it!
There's a lot of things ppl can "masturbate" to with their phones. Like popularity with more ROMs like Desire HD, Sensation, Galaxy S2. I do it to longer battery life, better camera, radio reception, and it also fit better in my hands and palms ( at least compared to the DHD). More ROMs do not mean better quality ROMs, I'm fully satisfied right now with ARHD, and with the state of Quattro, I haven't even tried it. We're getting ICS officially that's good enough, I can wait for another stable custom ROM based on that. Be happy with what you know and have, ignorant is bliss. And I'm kinda gettings tired of ORD myself, maybe a case of cured one, until something remarkable new popped up .
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There's a lot of things ppl can "masturbate" to with their phones. Like popularity with more ROMs like Desire HD, Sensation, Galaxy S2. I do it to longer battery life, better camera, radio reception, and it also fit better in my hands and palms ( at least compared to the DHD). More ROMs do not mean better quality ROMs, I'm fully satisfied right now with ARHD, and with the state of Quattro, I haven't even tried it. We're getting ICS officially that's good enough, I can wait for another stable custom ROM based on that. Be happy with what you know and have, ignorant is bliss. And I'm kinda gettings tired of ORD myself, maybe a case of cured one, until something remarkable new popped up .
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Amen bro!
I'm with you in every word you said!
+1 for your post.
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There's a lot of things ppl can "masturbate" to with their phones. Like popularity with more ROMs like Desire HD, Sensation, Galaxy S2. I do it to longer battery life, better camera, radio reception, and it also fit better in my hands and palms ( at least compared to the DHD). More ROMs do not mean better quality ROMs, I'm fully satisfied right now with ARHD, and with the state of Quattro, I haven't even tried it. We're getting ICS officially that's good enough, I can wait for another stable custom ROM based on that. Be happy with what you know and have, ignorant is bliss. And I'm kinda gettings tired of ORD myself, maybe a case of cured one, until something remarkable new popped up .
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It's like you said =)
Sometimes you don't need a lot of things to have a great experience.
I remember back in the LG P500 days, there was only one rom and one kernel and the thing was fantastic.Even later new tweaks came,new roms,new kernels but the simpler ones were the best.
I like very much nikhil007mmus's work and Virtuous Team work, both very stable and fast.
I even suggested nikhil007mmus to talk with Francisco Franco to share some ideas to make even greater kernels for our device (kernel devs, don't get me wrong, I am not saying your work is bad, I don't even test it, but what I do know is that this man makes GREAT kernels, with great performance,great battery life and it keeps them simple.I tested his kernels in the P500 (Wich made the thing fast as hell (For a 600MHz device of course) and in the Nexus S (I got 2 full days of battery life with wifi,3g,lots of calls,etc etc and fast as hell).
Hope it get's even better here =)
Problem is the Incredible S was not a popular phone to begin among devs. Not like the Nexus One, Desire HD, Sensation and Galaxy S II.
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The bad and nice thing of HTC phones is, they have a bunch of devices with practically nearly identical internal HW. Thus you don't actually really need that many devs on one device in particular. The way I see it, quality is way more important, we already have Android fragmentation like some say, now we also have custom ROM fragmentation . All Sense 3.5 roms failed for me when toggling data. It would not be that much of a problem on Samsung as they don't disable data during call, but HTC do, and sometimes after call data doesn't come up which is a major problem for me as I need auto-sync for a bunch of services and it is the most annoying bug of all. I wish devs collaborated more for less ROMs but better quality. It also means less duplicated effort.
For now I'm using a ROM Cleaned ARHD 2.1.3 with Ultra Smooth Rosie, batt mod, odexed, and some tweaks in init.d. It's smooth like butter and I think that I can be happy until whenever ICS comes out, unless some Sense 3.5 custom ROM devs fixed the bug above. Just use your phone, the best is yet to come. And if you're too trigger happy buy Samsung GSII to flash around and chaotic development. My brother has one and I am actually the one modding it for him. It's insanely fast yet I do not want it (because of aesthetic, functional reasons and knowing what is enough) even though I can afford it.
I know that build a rom it's not that easy, and make it stable and fully working it's even harder. I also know that drivers and blobs are closed-source, so it's hard to make a device fully working.
But I wanna give some advice, because who want to mod his phone finds about 30/40 roms all unstable and full of bugs.
In my opinion, it's useless to release a rom if it isn't finished, wifi or bluetooth doesn't work, apps force-close, phone reboots randomly or maybe drinks the battery in 2 hours.
Lags in games, the home screen lags with 3/4 widgets. Maybe after a clean install the rom performs well but then you discover that it's not so good.
Let's not forget also that despite the roms are not finished, many times they aren't update any more to solve the bugs, or they are updated but the bugs remain.
I don't mean that ALL the roms have ALL the bugs, but each rom has at least two of those problems.
Some people may say that there are hardware limits to justify the bugs. Or maybe that the battery has to be changed. But those are only excuses considering that on three pages of roms, ONLY one performs well.
I have always been told “you have to change the battery”, or “the phone has got few ram” to justify the bugs. But why with the FluidRom gType (an Italian rom) I manage 24 hours with a normal usage (mobile data always on, wifi, background apps, little playing with games, several calls, facebook and whatsapp)? No lags in games, home and browser. So I assume that “change the battery” and “we have few ram” are only excuses.
If you release a rom only to show that you are able to develop something but then it’s full of bugs, stop. Don’t release it. Or release it when it performs really well.
The 4X it’s a 2012 flagship phone, but the roms are badly developed. So let’s not blame the hardware.
Some people may say “who forces you to change rom?” People try new roms because modders promise improvements.
Maybe this topic will be closed to restrict freedom of speech. But mine are only suggestions.
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I know that build a rom it's not that easy, and make it stable and fully working it's even harder. I also know that drivers and blobs are closed-source, so it's hard to make a device fully working.
But I wanna give some advice, because who want to mod his phone finds about 30/40 roms all unstable and full of bugs.
In my opinion, it's useless to release a rom if it isn't finished, wifi or bluetooth doesn't work, apps force-close, phone reboots randomly or maybe drinks the battery in 2 hours.
Lags in games, the home screen lags with 3/4 widgets. Maybe after a clean install the rom performs well but then you discover that it's not so good.
Let's not forget also that despite the roms are not finished, many times they aren't update any more to solve the bugs, or they are updated but the bugs remain.
I don't mean that ALL the roms have ALL the bugs, but each rom has at least two of those problems.
Some people may say that there are hardware limits to justify the bugs. Or maybe that the battery has to be changed. But those are only excuses considering that on three pages of roms, ONLY one performs well.
I have always been told “you have to change the battery”, or “the phone has got few ram” to justify the bugs. But why with the FluidRom gType (an Italian rom) I manage 24 hours with a normal usage (mobile data always on, wifi, background apps, little playing with games, several calls, facebook and whatsapp)? No lags in games, home and browser. So I assume that “change the battery” and “we have few ram” are only excuses.
If you release a rom only to show that you are able to develop something but then it’s full of bugs, stop. Don’t release it. Or release it when it performs really well.
The 4X it’s a 2012 flagship phone, but the roms are badly developed. So let’s not blame the hardware.
Some people may say “who forces you to change rom?” People try new roms because modders promise improvements.
Maybe this topic will be closed to restrict freedom of speech. But mine are only suggestions.
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Haha, there are so many angles i can take on this.
I and the other 4x developers and users don't owe you ANYTHING, dont like our roms? dont use them, Simple. It amazes me some people are so entitled...
Go and make some Roms by yourself we'll see how good they would be .
For your information bringing roms to device in long chain of more people than just our devs
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I know that... TL;DR
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Wow ! Never thought I'd read something like this on the 4X forum !
You're so wrong. So so wrong !
Do you realize that when a dev releases a ROM he does this on his time and (most of the time) he doesn't expect anything in return.
Have you ever tried to build a ROM from source ? To compile ? To fix bugs ? To spend hours developing ? I really doubt since you don't realize what this is and the time it takes.
Moreover, our device is "special". The last official update we had was 4.1.2 and thanks to the dev you criticized we are now at 4.4.2 !!! I'm not sure you realized the work of these devs.
Also you say that we don't have any stable ROM but you're wrong ! For me, "stable" means that you can use the ROM daily and profit of all basic and important features of the ROM therefore there ARE stable ROMs ! Since I'm in charge of Beanstalk 4.4.2 I won't give any name but for having personally tried many customs ROMs I can say that we do have stable ROMs.
Everybody has its opinion but man... You're wrong and some devs may understand your post as an offence.
I hope you see what I'm trying to explain.
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Wow ! Never thought I'd read something like this on the 4X forum !
You're so wrong. So so wrong !
Do you realize that when a dev releases a ROM he does this on his time and (most of the time) he doesn't expect anything in return.
Have you ever tried to build a ROM from source ? To compile ? To fix bugs ? To spend hours developing ? I really doubt since you don't realize what this is and the time it takes.
Moreover, our device is "special". The last official update we had was 4.1.2 and thanks to the dev you criticized we are now at 4.4.2 !!! I'm not sure you realized the work of these devs.
Also you say that we don't have any stable ROM but you're wrong ! For me, "stable" means that you can use the ROM daily and profit of all basic and important features of the ROM therefore there ARE stable ROMs ! Since I'm in charge of Beanstalk 4.4.2 I won't give any name but for having personally tried many customs ROMs I can say that we do have stable ROMs.
Everybody has its opinion but man... You're wrong and some devs may understand your post as an offence.
I hope you see what I'm trying to explain.
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Don't worry ecto, we are talking about it in the italian forum where this kind of discussion began.. And we are composing it saying exactly what you're saying right here..hope that it'll stop as a great mistake, and to go on..
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one word, ridiculous
We should change abit this letter and sent it to the LG dev-update department so they can ask @Demetris @laufer @adam @Ectoplasma @JoinTheRealms @SnXo (and many other talented and good people) for help next time they decide to push or even make any software for any LG phone.I know.this guyment to say official software not custom one so i am just correcting his type mistake.
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whoa, easy there, mate...
First of all, I haven't seen an unstable ROM on our phones up till now. I am personally using CM (unofficial) and SlimKat as my daily drivers, and both are rock stable. The only bugs I have personally encountered are the camera (which is extremely hard to properly fix) and the broken reboot into recovery on Slim. And that's it.
All ROMs you find on xda are made for free, you don't need to pay anything, which means you also can't demand anything. Bringing a ROM to a device can take several hours (disregarding the time the pure download of the sourcecode takes), as every ROM needs its special treatment.
Furthermore, do you have any idea how long the pure compile process takes? On my new machine (which I upgraded for development only) needs ~75min for a clean build. Before that, my lappy was working over 8 hours for a clean build...
Saying we devs wouldn't maintain our ROMs isn't really nice, nor what XDA stands for. We do our best to provide you with the best/fully functional stuff, but there are things we can't fix/improve simply because we don't experience these issues. As an example, I am debugging my kernel ATM, and @FunkyRasta and I both run the kernel, however, FunkyRasta is experiencing lags, that I never experienced. So without his reports, I wouldn't even know about that until someone else might encounter it after the release.
@Serial67, nobody forces you to use "unstable" ROMs, but please don't just complain, but rather give some helpful feedback (logs) to help solve the issues. If you're not willing to provide such info (you don't have to), please don't complain.
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Overview
OmniROM is pretty close to AOSP, as the 4.4.4 era comes to a close I've decided to post it.
This build has nothing to do with Nobe1976.
It is not his build on Droidrzr forums and was built by me, from source. Although it is likely the same (assuming configs for our device haven't changed much the past year)
Download
Feb/27/2015: OmniROM 4.4.4
KKBL only for now folks!!!
Source
Device
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_motorola_moto_msm8960/tree/cm-11.0
Kernel
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_kernel_motorola_msm8960dt-common/tree/cm-11.0
Vendor
https://github.com/TheMuppets/proprietary_vendor_motorola/tree/cm-11.0
Yes JJBL people, I will build for you, but I need someone to test so OmniROM aside; IF JBBL people want these firmware I will need a tester :<
Just flashed this on my XT926 and the only issue ive had is when going into Settings>More>Mobile Networks>Carrier Settings The process com.android.phone force closes.
nice rom, works fairly well on my razr m. feels lighter than cyanogenmod and other 4.4.x roms.
lol
Do you know about Lollipop? lol
Working really great on my XT925.. I love OmniRom.. Thanks @Tqr
The fact that this base appeared here means MIUI v6 comes soon
Edit: I'm NOT heading MIUI v6 I am only working as an assistant this is not my era to shine; with that being said if I can't get a JBBL volunteer It's not likely JBBL people will get MIUI v6
kkruglov said:
nice rom, works fairly well on my razr m. feels lighter than cyanogenmod and other 4.4.x roms.
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A lot of people use my MIUI or other fork builds but don't really have the chance to use my source-builds which are almost always nearly 'perfect' (I don't usually post them)
Some compatibility takes a huge hit after I start chopping stuff to pieces so I just wanted to throw this up for people who are the opposite of the MIUI/Lewa/Whatever crowd and just want something as close to 'stock' android as possible.
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but don't really have the chance to use my source-builds which are almost always nearly 'perfect' (I don't usually post them)
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why?
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why?
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It would annoy me if someone ported a ROM I had planned to work on using a base I built.
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The fact that this base appeared here means MIUI v6 comes soon
Edit: I'm NOT heading MIUI v6 I am only working as an assistant this is not my era to shine; with that being said if I can't get a JBBL volunteer It's not likely JBBL people will get MIUI v6
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Looking forward to see MIUI v6! Loved MIUI even since my evo 3d. Hope it comes soon
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Looking forward to see MIUI v6! Loved MIUI even since my evo 3d. Hope it comes soon
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Me too but my build configs are currently not working correctly for some devices.
It's kind of problematic on my end at this point because the past two builds of (pretty much) AOSP have resulted in failure for some unknown reason; even with supported configs.
At the same time to bring a close-to-AOSP ROM to this firmware I had to make a lot of changes in source; changes which may have caused breakage upon building for some devices so I've had to revert everything for this specific build which will probably set the process back a day or two.
But I don't want to sound over-important; the person heading v6 could have(and has) done this fully on their own power without issue and I am really contributing nothing except for build related stuff which isn't even essential It's just to save them time because a lot of time was saved in my life during v5.
It's like they say, someone does something for you and you do something for them if you can; a capacity I'm kind of failing in right now because a lot of the devices I'd like to see get hit with v6 do not have proper source bases
Thanks, very smooth... can you add HDR feature?
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Thanks, very smooth... can you add HDR feature?
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Maybe, I have to address JBBL right after I finished with the device I'm building for right now.
Like a true piece of scum I neglected the JBBL folks during v5 because I wasn't aware of the exacts surrounding it and frankly was too lazy/busy to produce it.
But from here out all of my builds will also accomodate JBBL now that I know how to deal with it.
I mean it's really like a friend of mine said; that it's better to release broken things at first because If you release something right the first time your topic won't have as many views and as much attention but I've always kind of been a black sheep with my preference for (nearly fully) functional first releases
Edit: I can do MIUIv5 for JBBL if people really still care about it but I'd rather focus on getting things ready for V6, and other projects I'm working on
It's really important that ANY errors with this code-base are brought to my attention , I really do not want to find out there is some inherent error in this when V6 is released It's really important that I do this right so I don't have to bother the developer of it to do yet another build on a rebase.
I feel like I've really annoyed people because I've had multiple peers/friends/co-workers/whatever download firmware that somehow 'wasn't right' this week
Do it. It's been awhile. And that miui phone overseas is killing em softly. I'm on jbbl now to start fresh but if you decide to put out v5 I'll try it. I am ecstatic about v6 to try out.. I will be trying the omni for now. I need a real stable ROM at the moment.
Get lolly miui for mb886.
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Do it. It's been awhile. And that miui phone overseas is killing em softly. I'm on jbbl now to start fresh but if you decide to put out v5 I'll try it. I am ecstatic about v6 to try out.. I will be trying the omni for now. I need a real stable ROM at the moment.
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MIUI v6 is now nearly fully functioning on moto_msm8960 JBBL & KKBL, including V6 camera, scanner and all the other stuff you'd expect.
Unlike being a PatchROM build this is a direct adaptation from a Xiaomi device so there is a level of exclusivity here.
I really don't have the right to release this, It will be part of a friends multi-base thread; It'll show up at some point next month, hopefully.
I wanted to let people who are really anticipating being able to use V6 know that the codebase is finished; it does have all the features you'd expect on true stock MIUI that have never been ported (In this era):
- MIUI camera (Everything, including filters, panorama, fast&slow-motion recording mode...)
- MIUI Scanner (Everything)
- Nearly full native Xiaomi drivers (!)
- Everything, all features
TecknoFreak said:
Get lolly miui for mb886.
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It's being worked on as well, but 4.4 takes priority because it is literally almost finished.
Tqr said:
MIUI v6 is now nearly fully functioning on moto_msm8960 JBBL & KKBL, including V6 camera, scanner and all the other stuff you'd expect.
Unlike being a PatchROM build this is a direct adaptation from a Xiaomi device so there is a level of exclusivity here.
I really don't have the right to release this, It will be part of a friends multi-base thread; It'll show up at some point next month, hopefully.
I wanted to let people who are really anticipating being able to use V6 know that the codebase is finished; it does have all the features you'd expect on true stock MIUI that have never been ported (In this era):
- MIUI camera (Everything, including filters, panorama, fast&slow-motion recording mode...)
- MIUI Scanner (Everything)
- Nearly full native Xiaomi drivers (!)
- Everything, all features
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This is great to hear man! Now I want to try it even more.Can't wait till next month...release it tomorrow MIUI 5 was great,simple and smart,just hope that v6 is gonna be same or even better.
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Honestly I straight up lied.
MIUI v6 boots with full function except RIL- Because of the nature of this work all builds have been kept closed. I will check with the head of development and ask if beta may begin.
If anyone here feels strong in development and can address RIL both the KKBL and JBBL can have this firmware in the very forseeable future. It's because we use some kind of fked up Generic RIL and I'm not sure where to play Xiaomis invasive code because It's so different.
I do not even know how this device handles RIL in the 4.4 era, if anyone has an understanding of this please be in touch.