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Unofficial nightlies?????????????

I dunno I seem to remember there being Nightly's and stable releases. Now we have Unofficial Nightly's. Why? This isnt going to continue is it? Eventually we will get back to just Nightly's and Stable right? Not that its a big deal just seems unnecessary.
As I look through the threads I see there are a good number of people running these Unoffical Nightlys so maybe someone can explain to me the difference between Official and Unofficial. Are they that bad that they cant be official? If they are that bad why are so many people running them? Seems to reason that the unofficial is stable enough so cant we just make them official for god sakes. I mean really whats the worst that can happen? Its not like Cyanogen is going to be sued. Its already assumed that official nightlys are not going to be stable so whats the problem?

Official is being built by the Cyanogen servers and released at their discretion. The unofficials are users creating their own builds (usually with modifications) and being released separately.
That being said, CM7 has been in development for a while so there are both nightlies and stable releases. CM9 is still in early development, and Cyanogen team hasn't been releasing nightlies yet. The ones you see are users releasing it on their own.

You're either not very smart or a terrible reader. Unofficial simply means private individuals are taking it upon themselves to regularly post private builds that they made themselves, for others to take for a test drive. Official builds would come directly from CM, which has not happened yet.
Get a clue.

Perhaps your highness would be kind and gracious enough to direct us to a place where we could read that explanation (assuming, of course, that we can read such lofty material)..
Tongue firmly in cheek.. but.. hey Dude.. lighten up.

skwalas said:
You're either not very smart or a terrible reader. Unofficial simply means private individuals are taking it upon themselves to regularly post private builds that they made themselves, for others to take for a test drive. Official builds would come directly from CM, which has not happened yet.
Get a clue.
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Yep those are the only two possible reasons for me not knowing whats going on.

IFLATLINEI said:
I dunno I seem to remember there being Nightly's and stable releases. Now we have Unofficial Nightly's. Why? This isnt going to continue is it? Eventually we will get back to just Nightly's and Stable right? Not that its a big deal just seems unnecessary.
As I look through the threads I see there are a good number of people running these Unoffical Nightlys so maybe someone can explain to me the difference between Official and Unofficial. Are they that bad that they cant be official? If they are that bad why are so many people running them? Seems to reason that the unofficial is stable enough so cant we just make them official for god sakes. I mean really whats the worst that can happen? Its not like Cyanogen is going to be sued. Its already assumed that official nightlys are not going to be stable so whats the problem?
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I'm kind of confused due to your confusion
What "Unofficial Nightly's" and "Official Nightly's" you are seeing?
Don't tell me that you are confusing the Official Nightly's of CM7 and the Unofficial Nightly's of CM9.
Two different things.

Im sorry! Im trying to keep up with the development of the Nook Color, HTC Droid Eris, and the Galaxy Nexus and I lost it. LOL Not too mention my search for the perfect router to finally rid me of that god awful Linksys WRT54GS combined with the overkill Smoothwall finally ended. My home network has been in shambles till recently. Again I apologize. Its purely my mixup and clearly nothing to do with the information provided at XDA. I just needed to search a bit more. Or I could have asked like I did here but maybe in a more positive tone. Im sorry for that as well.
So I recently purchased the GNEX and I love ICS. OMG I cant tell you how nice it is to finally have a proper smart phone with polished Android Goodness. I want the same for my Nook. From what ive read so far the "Unofficial Builds" seem to run pretty good. Users reporting it runs as good as CM7. Is this true? I mainly use my Nook for watching Netflix and Hulu. I do some light browsing as well. Would the latest build work well enough for me to hop in now?
Thanks for your help and understanding!

I don't know how far but CM9 is far from stable as CM7

IFLATLINEI said:
Im sorry! Im trying to keep up with the development of the Nook Color, HTC Droid Eris, and the Galaxy Nexus and I lost it. LOL Not too mention my search for the perfect router to finally rid me of that god awful Linksys WRT54GS combined with the overkill Smoothwall finally ended. My home network has been in shambles till recently. Again I apologize. Its purely my mixup and clearly nothing to do with the information provided at XDA. I just needed to search a bit more. Or I could have asked like I did here but maybe in a more positive tone. Im sorry for that as well.
So I recently purchased the GNEX and I love ICS. OMG I cant tell you how nice it is to finally have a proper smart phone with polished Android Goodness. I want the same for my Nook. From what ive read so far the "Unofficial Builds" seem to run pretty good. Users reporting it runs as good as CM7. Is this true? I mainly use my Nook for watching Netflix and Hulu. I do some light browsing as well. Would the latest build work well enough for me to hop in now?
Thanks for your help and understanding!
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Awesome. Reading comprehension skills FTW.
CM9 is nice. Personally, I'd wait for solid wifi and any true resolution on HW accel.

CM7 had 'official' stable releases and 'official' nightlies built by the CyanogenMod automated build process. The last stable was 7.1 but there were nightlies after that which continued to fix some remaining problems.
Back in mid November 2011 the build process suffered from some hardware failures and the nightlies stopped appearing. At the same time ICS was being released and the devs switched their attention to that (CM9) and, although the build process got repaired, the CM7 nightlies were never restarted.
There were some outstanding issues in CM7 that had got fixed but never built by the official process into either a stable or a nightly. That is where the 'unofficial' builds stepped in and built new ROMS from the source incorporating the latest fixes and including some other improvements. The most common of these is the MiRaGe build found in the thread in development and that has been very stable, gives great performance and is often referred to as 7.2
CM9 is effectively still in an alpha form and does not have official nightlies or 'stables' yet. The developers did encourage people to learn how to build ROMS from the source and some have now made these 'unofficial' nightlies available.
Some find these unofficial CM9 nightlies good and stable enough for daily use; I am one. There are trade offs; the CM7 ROMS are generally a bit snappier in performance and there are one or two limitations in CM9 functionality (e.g. hw video acceleration) but this is balanced by a significantly nicer user interface and functionality in CM9. You just choose based on what is important to you.
Nandroid backups are always your friend and allows you try out various options at low risk and just a few minutes to fully restore to a former point.

Thanks for the summary and info.
But how well does Hulu and Netflix work? Right now thats the most important thing.
Im currently running CM7 stable with the processor clocked at 925. I see alot of people running overclock kernels so when you say CM9 isnt as snappy to which are you comparing to. Low end or high?

Either. I'm running CM9 at 1200 right now and there is still lag (haven't done any tweaks though, working on other things). Besides that, I don't think Netflix is working on CM9 yet. If you are wanting stability, smoothness, and more application compatibility, CM9 isn't quite there yet.

It's funny how the people calling the OP clueless seem blissfully unaware of the situation with nightlies the last few months, but bobtidey broke it down well. The automated system for CM7 nightlies is broken, but the updated source is still available, and some people are sharing their builds from source (MiRaGe being the most reliable atm).
If Hulu and Netflix are your priorities, CM9 is probably not for you just yet. You can try it out a number of ways,
As bobtidey said, back up your current build, flash CM9, and if you're not happy go back.
Set it up on SD--there's a link in my sig for that, just grab CM9 and a compatible gapps instead of CM7.
Repartition the NC and set up a dual boot like mine (also linked in my sig) with MiRaGe's CM7.2 and Samiam's CM9.
If you just want a fresher flavor and don't want to mess around too much, I'd say go w/ MiRaGe's build.

Blah! It is what it is. As stated things have been pretty hectic around here. Now that I think of it things are always hectic. So I overlooked something and needed correction.
I just may dual boot. Ive wanted to try MiRaGe for awhile now anyways. I hear great things. Should be a nice upgrade over CM7 stable right? Thanks for info!

[Discussion] why use any rom other than cm 10.1?

I've been using android for a few years and for skinned phones sometimes the stock os or ROMs based off of it has some advantages. For example the galaxy note too have the spen FULLY functional and have all the apps associated with it you need a stock based ROM. But for out nexus 4s cm seems to be the only choice. Many other ROMs are based off of it kernel devs use there commits. Cm is usually first and the most stable with updates and mods. I've had cm on all my phones so just wondering what your views are. Is there any real benefit to using any ROM other than cm? Honestly to me the stability is better than anything else out there.... Thanks

Paranoid Android. The hybrid options are amazing and it is as stable as CM... Even more so for me as I had a hiccup with CM.
Honestly, though, it's not all about stability, but the options, the look, the feel, and trying something different. CM is great, but it's the ROM everyone uses... Like a second stock ROM. It becomes boring...
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CM is great if it is available. However, they have been known to drop support for phones (the G2 comes to mind), and they of course don't support every phone. I imagine the Nexus phones will be likely to be well-supported. Of course, CM isn't stable yet on the Nexus 4 - and looking at the track record for the Nexus 7 it could be months before it is.
For me stability is a key feature. I'm not sure I'd call CM completely stable, but it is far more disciplined than most of the alternatives. I'd really only call a release stable if it has been in beta for at least a week or two, and there are no significant changes between the beta and stable versions. I've yet to see CM show that kind of discipline, but you can get the same effect by just holding back on new releases for a few weeks, monitoring the bugs/forums, and then picking a nightly build that looks to have all the issues worked out.
I think the modding community has suffered from the platform diversity. Once upon a time everybody owned an HTC Dream and there was some REALLY good software for it as a result. Now it seems like no two developers own the same phone, and it shows.

This looks like a "What's the best ROM?" thread to me. You also seem to be slagging off the other developers.
The bottom line is everybody has their own opinions, read each respective ROM's thread, flash it and make up your own mind. If you're interest in how many people are using a ROM, sort the forum by the "Stats" column.
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Android 4.1.2 CM

Since Lg updated the o4x to 4.1.2, wouldn't it be great to have this modded Into cm and make a final release with everything working, I've been trying so many roms but non exceed stock reliability, I think that a port from stock to cm based with everything working would be great for all users, truth I don't care about android version, but cm experience is great. Maybe instead of working on forever bugged ROMs with no official android release, try using the base of what lg has released and make a rock solid ROM featuring cm experience.
Just my thoughts,
Sent from my LG-P880 using xda app-developers app

leortez said:
Since Lg updated the o4x to 4.1.2, wouldn't it be great to have this modded Into cm and make a final release with everything working, I've been trying so many roms but non exceed stock reliability, I think that a port from stock to cm based with everything working would be great for all users, truth I don't care about android version, but cm experience is great. Maybe instead of working on forever bugged ROMs with no official android release, try using the base of what lg has released and make a rock solid ROM featuring cm experience.
Just my thoughts,
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In My opinion roms are not "forever bugged"; what one dev, or a team of devs do with a custom rom is... customising.
What you are asking for is steadyness, immobility, what devs do is pushing the limit of knowledge a step further and develop something new that did not exist before under the form in which it is now.
In addition, custom roms are made also to compensate the lacking of development from the original manufacturer. LG supoorted the development of their firmware up to ver 1.2, custom roms are 4.2.2, o 4.3 already and take advantage of many powerful feature in our device that could be better used if the device would not be abandoned by the manufacturer.
Mind that i am not against the fact that phones are forgotten by their manufacturer one o two years after they have been presented, it is a market law... still, with custom roms we can enjoy our highly priced toys for many, many years and, yes, have a lot of fun with them. Sometimes roms are buggy, it is true, but i believe that if one is here, in this forum, it should be to contribute to make things better, and not for complaining about (free) buggy roms.
In addition, CM needs very few contribution from LG base, as it is AOSP based, that is, pure Android, with no fancy UI and bloatware, and current official stable version 10.1.3 (corresponding to Android 4.2.2) is rock solid, or at least, not more buggy than LG 4.1.2.

I dont question development, im a cm and custom kernels fan myself, but what I mean is that there are no significant differences between the jellybean versions, 4.1.2 is quite good in my opinion, and I'm not complaining either, but I have not seen a cm implementation based on 4.1.2. Thing is that for this phone there is a critical bug that many people can't stand independent from performance or how beautiful, etc. Which is present in both 4.2.2 and 4.3 And that is baseband being very unstable. I keep rebooting my phone 2-3 times a day to get back signal and data.Tested with all kernels. Which I believe this is not a kernel related problem. So I think that if we use cm 4.1.2 this issue could be solved.
By no means I discard the efforts that Devs. Have put into this phone, I'm just giving an idea that could be worth taking in consideration.
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Try SlimBean latest demetris build.Or zaiben rom.I get great battery life with both of them and almoust none baseband wakelock.Even if it is there it doesnt reflect on battery life that much anymore.
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Ottonet said:
In My opinion roms are not "forever bugged"; what one dev, or a team of devs do with a custom rom is... customising.
What you are asking for is steadyness, immobility, what devs do is pushing the limit of knowledge a step further and develop something new that did not exist before under the form in which it is now.
In addition, custom roms are made also to compensate the lacking of development from the original manufacturer. LG supoorted the development of their firmware up to ver 1.2, custom roms are 4.2.2, o 4.3 already and take advantage of many powerful feature in our device that could be better used if the device would not be abandoned by the manufacturer.
Mind that i am not against the fact that phones are forgotten by their manufacturer one o two years after they have been presented, it is a market law... still, with custom roms we can enjoy our highly priced toys for many, many years and, yes, have a lot of fun with them. Sometimes roms are buggy, it is true, but i believe that if one is here, in this forum, it should be to contribute to make things better, and not for complaining about (free) buggy roms.
In addition, CM needs very few contribution from LG base, as it is AOSP based, that is, pure Android, with no fancy UI and bloatware, and current official stable version 10.1.3 (corresponding to Android 4.2.2) is rock solid, or at least, not more buggy than LG 4.1.2.
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Nothing is ever as stable as Stock. And with Root, you can remove bloatware, with xposed you can change the ui etc. etc.
leortez said:
I dont question development, im a cm and custom kernels fan myself, but what I mean is that there are no significant differences between the jellybean versions, 4.1.2 is quite good in my opinion, and I'm not complaining either, but I have not seen a cm implementation based on 4.1.2. Thing is that for this phone there is a critical bug that many people can't stand independent from performance or how beautiful, etc. Which is present in both 4.2.2 and 4.3 And that is baseband being very unstable. I keep rebooting my phone 2-3 times a day to get back signal and data.Tested with all kernels. Which I believe this is not a kernel related problem. So I think that if we use cm 4.1.2 this issue could be solved.
By no means I discard the efforts that Devs. Have put into this phone, I'm just giving an idea that could be worth taking in consideration.
Sent from my LG-P880 using xda app-developers app
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You are right, if we built CM9 (ICS) or CM10 (JB4.1.2) these would probably be better on the battery, and with official drivers etc, it would be stable. (in theory)
dimi89 said:
Try SlimBean latest demetris build.Or zaiben rom.I get great battery life with both of them and almoust none baseband wakelock.Even if it is there it doesnt reflect on battery life that much anymore.
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He is asking about CM10, in all honesty, CM10.1 is just an improved CM10, there are not many differences in all honesty.. It is obsolete now anyways, so 4.4 is going to be prioritized, CM10.1 and above have more to offer, i don't think CM10 will ever be developed for our device, it is too old now.

penguin449 said:
Nothing is ever as stable as Stock. And with Root, you can remove bloatware, with xposed you can change the ui etc. etc.
Well, CM10.1 is rock stable. Never had a random reboot, and trust me, I was tetsing my kernel on it pretty heavily
You are right, if we built CM9 (ICS) or CM10 (JB4.1.2) these would probably be better on the battery, and with official drivers etc, it would be stable. (in theory)
You can't just take official drivers on CM. You might be able to do so on AOSP, but I'm pretty sure it won't have an effect. Actually I think it would make it even unstable
He is asking about CM10, in all honesty, CM10.1 is just an improved CM10, there are not many differences in all honesty.. It is obsolete now anyways, so 4.4 is going to be prioritized, CM10.1 and above have more to offer, i don't think CM10 will ever be developed for our device, it is too old now.
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Well, If i happen to have some spare time (pretty unlikely though ATM), I might try to compile CM10, but you better do not expect it TBH

Not sure what TBH means but It would be great to give it a shot, hoping it will work better than the newer versions.
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leortez said:
I dont question development, im a cm and custom kernels fan myself, but what I mean is that there are no significant differences between the jellybean versions, 4.1.2 is quite good in my opinion, and I'm not complaining either, but I have not seen a cm implementation based on 4.1.2. Thing is that for this phone there is a critical bug that many people can't stand independent from performance or how beautiful, etc. Which is present in both 4.2.2 and 4.3 And that is baseband being very unstable. I keep rebooting my phone 2-3 times a day to get back signal and data.Tested with all kernels. Which I believe this is not a kernel related problem. So I think that if we use cm 4.1.2 this issue could be solved.
By no means I discard the efforts that Devs. Have put into this phone, I'm just giving an idea that could be worth taking in consideration.
Sent from my LG-P880 using xda app-developers app
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How do I reproduce these bugs?I dont seem to notice them.

leortez said:
I dont question development, im a cm and custom kernels fan myself, but what I mean is that there are no significant differences between the jellybean versions, 4.1.2 is quite good in my opinion, and I'm not complaining either, but I have not seen a cm implementation based on 4.1.2. Thing is that for this phone there is a critical bug that many people can't stand independent from performance or how beautiful, etc. Which is present in both 4.2.2 and 4.3 And that is baseband being very unstable. I keep rebooting my phone 2-3 times a day to get back signal and data.Tested with all kernels. Which I believe this is not a kernel related problem. So I think that if we use cm 4.1.2 this issue could be solved.
By no means I discard the efforts that Devs. Have put into this phone, I'm just giving an idea that could be worth taking in consideration.
Sent from my LG-P880 using xda app-developers app
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I had all those signal bugs, but in the latest nightly of 4.3.1 that bug is near to be solved, it still happens but less often than before, in the past since CM10 RC5 I suffered that annoying bug, and i stoped using CM based ROMS, the problem is not the kernel, the problem is the RIL programmed by CM developer team, and for lucky for us they have been worked on our problem, I passed of reboot my phone every 20 or 30 min to reboot once or none per day when the phone can't get signal again

Are all ROMS less than perfect by nature?

First off, let me preface this by saying that I appreciate all of the hard work and time by the devs/volunteers here, and they give us some pretty cool things.
It just seems that no matter what rom I try, it has a bug or 2 that may not keep me from enjoying my phone, but it keeps creeping. Even the so-called stable KK still has growing pains. Is it possible for a rom to be completely stable? (aka, at least as stable as stock) Or is the nature of roms always going to be a bit behind from a standpoint of stability?
I have yet to try a rom (been doing this for 3 yrs) that has been 100% (stock) stable. I can use most roms just fine though, and again, this is not a slight on the devs and those who work hard. But let's be honest, an already flawed Lollipop must be a pain to get make a custom rom from. Am I alone? Btw, I'm back on stock for now, as it works fine. But will be waiting patiently for the awesome devs to figure it out. (and yes, I realize there must be testing for things to get better)

This is why I'm done with custom ROMs. I get all I need from stock KK + Xposed. Haven't flashed a ROM (as a daily driver) in almost 2 years.

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This is why I'm done with custom ROMs. I get all I need from stock KK + Xposed. Haven't flashed a ROM (as a daily driver) in almost 2 years.
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Ahhh, Metalhead. I like the name, as it's my mantra for the last 40 yrs. Anyway, you seem bitter about it, as other things.
I'm just trying to get some real feedback about how people feel. Thanks Metal, noted.

It's not soo much the roms. Stock lollipop is bugged from Google as it's relatively new so hasn't had everything ironed out yet like the older KK

wolfen69 said:
First off, let me preface this by saying that I appreciate all of the hard work and time by the devs/volunteers here, and they give us some pretty cool things.
It just seems that no matter what rom I try, it has a bug or 2 that may not keep me from enjoying my phone, but it keeps creeping. Even the so-called stable KK still has growing pains. Is it possible for a rom to be completely stable? (aka, at least as stable as stock) Or is the nature of roms always going to be a bit behind from a standpoint of stability?
I have yet to try a rom (been doing this for 3 yrs) that has been 100% (stock) stable. I can use most roms just fine though, and again, this is not a slight on the devs and those who work hard. But let's be honest, an already flawed Lollipop must be a pain to get make a custom rom from. Am I alone? Btw, I'm back on stock for now, as it works fine. But will be waiting patiently for the awesome devs to figure it out. (and yes, I realize there must be testing for things to get better)
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imo yeah. tis why I went back to stock 4.4.4 and GravityBox. No issues since then. None. Zero. Roms not worth fiddling with IMO. too many bugs trying to figure out if it's the app, the kernel, the ROM...I will do custom kernels but...no more than that.

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It's not soo much the roms. Stock lollipop is bugged from Google as it's relatively new so hasn't had everything ironed out yet like the older KK
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Good point.

I think its all in what type of bugs you get. I've seen bugs even on stock roms, custom roms give you those options where stock falls short. I do however think Xposed is a good way to possibly fix some of those issues
Sent from my Nexus 5

4 stock updates from Google within 3-4 months (and we still expect bugs...). How could we have 100% stable custom roms?
Anyways custom roms are stable enough to enjoy my phone and it's way better than stock

wolfen69 said:
Ahhh, Metalhead. I like the name, as it's my mantra for the last 40 yrs. Anyway, you seem bitter about it, as other things.
I'm just trying to get some real feedback about how people feel. Thanks Metal, noted.
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I'm not bitter about it lol, just got tired of flashing new ROMs all the time. It's nothing against the devs, they do some really great work, I just now prefer the dependability of stock. It was the original Moto X that changed my habits.

It's software, by definition it will have bugs.
The question is whether or not you can live with a particular ROM's set of unique bugs.
I've been running an old (Oct. 2014) CM11 nightly because it mostly gives me what I want without undue grief (weird reboots, battery drain, etc).
It's far from perfect, it won't play nice 100% with my car head end just to list one thing (BT bug, seems to be fixed in CM12).
I play around with other ROMs using MultiROM, but always come back to the old CM11.
I'm quite happy there is such an assortment to try, imagine how unhappy you would be if there was only one and it had a major (in your opinion) bug.

I don't think it's possible to get rid of all bugs ever. Its an os that is working with constantly changing apps and devices. But, I use cataclysm as my dd with elementalx and I don't notice any bugs. Im sure they are there, they just don't affect me with my particular usage.

wolfen69 said:
Ahhh, Metalhead. I like the name, as it's my mantra for the last 40 yrs. Anyway, you seem bitter about it, as other things.
I'm just trying to get some real feedback about how people feel. Thanks Metal, noted.
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I'm totally agree with @_MetalHead_. I've came to Nexus, because I was tired to flash my Xperias with custom ROMs an CMs., thought I still think that Sonys hardware is supperior than the LG and Acer one.
Sure that all of custom ROMs have bug or two. But that is because Google have all bunch off developers that are fully employed to make stock android. You are aware, that custom ROMs here are made by individuals or small group enthusiasts. And that is. As man grows, he more and more prefer bitter chocolate than the sweet one. Sweet one is for children. And offcourse, we both enjoy.

zagorteney said:
I'm totally agree with @_MetalHead_. I've came to Nexus, because I was tired to flash my Xperias with custom ROMs an CMs., thought I still think that Sonys hardware is supperior than the LG and Acer one.
Sure that all of custom ROMs have bug or two. But that is because Google have all bunch off developers that are fully employed to make stock android. You should be aware, that custom ROMs here are made by individuals or small group enthusiasts. And that is. As man grows, he more and more prefer bitter chocolate than the sweet one. Sweet one is for children. And offcourse, we both enjoy.
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That's funny, I used to hate dark chocolate as a kid and now I prefer it.

They all have bugs. Every ROM I've used stock or custom has had bugs. Though staying stock or staying with the stable builds by the big name teams yielded the most stable experience for me. If someone flashes weeklies/nightlies and does not expect a bug or two they're doing it wrong. Main thing is finding something you as a user can live with.

It's funny that I just opened XDA 5 minutes ago to search for people's opinions about completely stable custom roms and I immediately came across this thread. I guess I will keep my phone stock and try Xposed for the first time when it's available.
I was done with flashing and experimenting with my Galaxy S2 a while ago after I realized there wasn't a perfect rom. But it's tempting though now I have a Nexus phone..
Send from the Matrix

I wondered about this, reading about what devs have deal with what googles supplies over time.
I tried Cataclysm lollipop and that's really close to being a solid rom but the bugs from google really make it frustrating to use as a daily rom, poor ram management and lockups, the inabilty to multi task without redrawing.
from a consumers point of view you expect lollipop to be an improvement over kitkat,
Switched back to kitkat and didn't realised how good and battery friendly It is.
This is why I stayed with nexus,the closet thing to a stable phone, will wait for 5.1 before I update.

Yes they are. In the lollipop updates on unofficial cm roms I'm still getting camera bug and the voip bug where I can't be heard on a headset. They appear after a few hours to weeks. Happend on a nighty today so Sent logcat in. Lollipop shouldn't have been released in the mess it's in. It's laughable that a couple of pple cherry picking from roms will do anything other than incorporate the bugs. There is a Golden rule here # devs can do no wrong and you can't put them down# cherry pickers are not developing anything imo. They merge others work, sometimes producing a better rom than the original, granted, but fixing problems. They have no idea 90%of the time. 10%are more skilled. But if google with hundreds of coders can't get it right what chance have independent roms? Look at the official lollipop CM. Still on nightlys and will be when 5.1 comes.
I run roms until a bug crops in and won't go which breaks something I need. Them on to the next. Bigsys?? K K roms were the closest to perfection. Fast and fluid.
Kernels is another thing, for another day..

While they may be less than perfect, from what I've been reading the Nexus 5 may be skipping 5.1 and going directly to 5.2
Sent from my Nexus 5

People are less than perfect by nature so that being said ,art imitates life as.
well as android 5.0 and above

From my point of view, even the stock ROM has its own flaws and sometimes it gets resolved a few revisions/versions later. On a custom ROM, it tends to be resolved pretty quickly provided the developer is actively monitoring user feedback and supporting it.
I'll usually only look for custom ROMs which focuses on staying as stock as possible while improving its speed and stability, I'll try to stay away from ROMs that offers a lot of other additional features which may or may not break another thing or two.

[Q] What are great roms for original features?

I would like to know what the favorite roms are for original features. When I say original features, I mean features that aren't particularly prevalent on most roms. A lot of roms offer roughly the same feature set in regards to customization (and there's nothing wrong with that), but is there a particular rom that stands out to you that offers original features or optimization that you just can't find on other roms. I've always been a fan of paranoid android but they've been slightly MIA of late. My apologies if this thread already exists, I did a search beforehand to no avail. Just looking for opinions! Thanks!

You're asking conflicting questions. Slim ROMs are by far the most original, coming up with stuff specifically that other developers aren't but then their ideas are so good, they end up in most other ROMs anyway so yeah, where as slim are IMHO the most original, they're never different for long - and nor is any other ROM

danarama said:
You're asking conflicting questions. Slim ROMs are by far the most original, coming up with stuff specifically that other developers aren't but then their ideas are so good, they end up in most other ROMs anyway so yeah, where as slim are IMHO the most original, they're never different for long - and nor is any other ROM
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Fair point! I suppose I wasn't wording that quite right. I guess I was asking more what you answered. Where do the ideas and features originate, and what roms are more than just Kangs? Thanks for your reply!

nexus 6 original development threads http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/orig-development
all other ROMs are just kangs, to various degrees(even these ROMs are partially kangs).