what's up with non removable battery - Moto X Q&A

seems like all new phones nowadays are coming with non-removable battery...moto x, nexus 4, etc. just so we can buy new phones when the battery dies (ie. 2 years)?

tonystuck said:
seems like all new phones nowadays are coming with non-removable battery...moto x, nexus 4, etc. just so we can buy new phones when the battery dies (ie. 2 years)?
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While it is annoying, it does allow them to do new things with the batteries. Like the new Moto step thing. Not a square so you get a bit more, but I'm still on the fence about it. I do like that there's less parts for me to mess with, but if the battery is anything like it was in my GNex, I'm going to be pissed.

Seeing as the North American carriers are obsessed with two year contracts, don't expect a phone to last longer.
And that's before you consider that removable batteries add cost, weight and thickness due to the additional hardening required for the battery compartment.
And yes, I'm aware Samsung does it, but they have massive economies of scale and don't seem to care about quality of construction.

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[Q] Extended battery for Moto X

When is Zerolemon extended battery for Moto X coming out?
Not sure if srs..
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And just how exactly would you use it?
imnuts said:
And just how exactly would you use it?
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imnuts said:
And just how exactly would you use it?
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well after googling the company, they make batteries built into cases
Those battery built in to cases things make your phone twice it's size and have little protection.... If that's something you care about.
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The battery built into a case would make the phone thicker, wider and taller. Almost defeats the purpose of getting the phone IMO. Might as well just get a slightly larger phone (with a bigger screen) and a removable battery.
camping, etc
I can see the use for this idea. While I do like the smaller form factor of the Moto-X, I am a little disappointed that the battery isn't removeable, as I often carried a spare for my GNex. There are circumstances where a larger battery is worth the inconvenience of a larger case/battery solution, such as camping trips and the like.
vespadaddy said:
I can see the use for this idea. While I do like the smaller form factor of the Moto-X, I am a little disappointed that the battery isn't removeable, as I often carried a spare for my GNex. There are circumstances where a larger battery is worth the inconvenience of a larger case/battery solution, such as camping trips and the like.
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This is the same issue I'm wrestling with.
Have gnex with zero lemon 6000 battery. Guess what? I use the juice, tethering, playing music, writing emails, etc.
What do I do after a year when my Moto x battery won't even last a full day?
Everything else about the phone is fantastic.
I guess I have to look back at the s4 (on Verizon here).
vespadaddy said:
I can see the use for this idea. While I do like the smaller form factor of the Moto-X, I am a little disappointed that the battery isn't removeable, as I often carried a spare for my GNex. There are circumstances where a larger battery is worth the inconvenience of a larger case/battery solution, such as camping trips and the like.
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Of course the battery on the moto x lasts longer than two 2100mah batteries in the galaxy nexus lol.
Maybe it's me....But if anyone is on their phones more than 6 hours a day.....(screen time)....perhaps you need some time away from your phone to see what else life has to offer.
The Moto x should last anyone a full day...keeping in mind a full day for most doesn't include sleeping....which is a great time to charge.
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Why not just carry a pocket phone charger, instead?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._t=1401&pf_rd_p=1707330942&pf_rd_i=1001010941
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._t=1401&pf_rd_p=1707330942&pf_rd_i=1001010941
Squintz said:
Why not just carry a pocket phone charger, instead?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._t=1401&pf_rd_p=1707330942&pf_rd_i=1001010941
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._t=1401&pf_rd_p=1707330942&pf_rd_i=1001010941
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Exactly, I use a case just like that. And with my Moto X, I've only had to use it once. The damn phone lasts for ever! I typically go 24 hours between charges.
I personally think we have one of the sexiest looking phones out there, especially in our hands (maybe the HTC One looks cooler), so I'm avoiding a case at all costs.
vespadaddy said:
I can see the use for this idea. While I do like the smaller form factor of the Moto-X, I am a little disappointed that the battery isn't removeable, as I often carried a spare for my GNex. There are circumstances where a larger battery is worth the inconvenience of a larger case/battery solution, such as camping trips and the like.
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You HAD to carry a spare for the GNex - it didn't even make it 12 hours most days on the standard battery.
On camping trips, you can bring along a battery charger like the Power Packs they sell on the Motorola site. I snagged a couple of those during the 50% off code sale but you can get similar Anker chargers on Amazon for less money.
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pkopalek said:
Have gnex with zero lemon 6000 battery. Guess what? I use the juice, tethering, playing music, writing emails, etc.
What do I do after a year when my Moto x battery won't even last a full day?
Everything else about the phone is fantastic.
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The backs are not that hard to remove so you should be able to replace the battery.
I think the fear about Moto X's non replaceable battery is that - great as its daily battery life may be when its new - in a year or two the battery will lose its vitality. Then what do you do? Pry the phone apart and attempt the 17 step process of replacing the battery yourself for $26? Or try to find a new Moto X for sale cheap? Or just move on to a newer model? Send it to Motorola and have them replace the battery for $100? What would you do?
My s2 was heavily used for over 2 years....the battery never degraded.
Its a silly fear in my opinion. Plus most don't keep a phone 2 years these days regardless.
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I've had my Droid Incredible for 3 years. Even though the battery is easily replaceable I felt no need to do so. It may have deteriorated somewhat over the years but not to the point that I would really notice.
Roland Stone said:
I think the fear about Moto X's non replaceable battery is that - great as its daily battery life may be when its new - in a year or two the battery will lose its vitality. Then what do you do?
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Get the Moto X3. Also, for everyone but Verizon customers, Motorola offers an $85 extended warranty. It is crazy not to buy that.
Roland Stone said:
Pry the phone apart and attempt the 17 step process of replacing the battery yourself for $26? Or try to find a new Moto X for sale cheap? Or just move on to a newer model? Send it to Motorola and have them replace the battery for $100? What would you do?
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Pry it open and try to replace it. Then when I break it doing that, get the Moto X3.
Also, 2 years from now these phones are going to be going for about $80.
If you don't mind spending a bit of money: http://mugen.co/mugen-power-2800mah-battery-case-for-motorola-moto-x.html

[Q] Is the nexus 6 amazing/worth it? I'm close to buying one..

Okay well. Right now i have the oneplus one. Its a great phone and i like it and all... But no android l support yet (no cm12s), my touch screen is going bad, support is eh... and im just wanting to buy something that has been improved over many years... And is reliable. opo is kinda new.. with a single device.
So i thought of the nexus 6. It looks and feels amazing (as i have held/saw one) scores really nice on benchmarks despite the quad hd display.
My opo currently has the bamboo back (swap cover) and its in perfect condition, should be worth a good amount, and i get paid soon. So now i am tempted to buy the nexus 6.
Afew questions.
Firstly, I am all about having fast/latest hardware, so here is where my concern comes in. Is this nexus 6 a first of a soon soc snapdragon 805? Because i remember when the nexus 5 was out, half a year later there was a much better soc snapdragon 801. I know the nexus 6 will be fast, but i am just thinking ahead..
Next, is $700+ (as i would get the 64gb one) worth it?.. Its a HUGE jump from the previous $400 32gb nexus 5.. I thought nexus devices were always going to be cheap.. I mean, a bigger screen, a better build quality and snapdragon 805.. that's about all.
Middle, Will it be worth alot by next year when the next nexus arrives? (for resale purposes)
And lastly, should i just go for the nexus 6? And stay in the nexus line.. Or wait for a snapdragon 810 model phone to release.. As 64bit is arriving this year.
PS: Is metro PCS supported?
That's about all i am wondering..
Thanks for anyone that can help me.
Snapdragon 810 is just around the corner, the LG G Flex 2 will be using SD 810. You can have the best hardware possible but if the software is not optimized for it then that hardware is not fully utilized to its fullest potential. In my opinion, get a phone with good development support from the community, not a phone because it has better specifications.
The question of the N6 being "worth it" is subjective and no one can answer that but yourself. You posting a thread in here will attract people say "yeah its worth it, get it ASAP" because you're in Nexus territory but if you're in the OPO territory, they would say no because OPO has a better value. Both phones have its pros and cons, the decision of whether the "N6 is worth it" is not as black and white.
Will it be worth a lot? I don't predict the future, but it most likely will retain a large % of its value. Nexus 5 is still a popular phone and people are still buying them.
Should you go for the N6? I already answered this. I personally was using the OPO and switched to a N6, the OPO community is great but it was no where as good as the Nexus line of devices. Snapdragon 810, don't really care about it unless a Nexus has its name to it.
If development is something you care about when it comes to a phone, a Nexus won't disappoint.
MetroPCS... do the research on your own and compare bands.
zephiK said:
Snapdragon 810 is just around the corner, the LG G Flex 2 will be using SD 810. You can have the best hardware possible but if the software is not optimized for it then that hardware is not fully utilized to its fullest potential. In my opinion, get a phone with good development support from the community, not a phone because it has better specifications.
The question of the N6 being "worth it" is subjective and no one can answer that but yourself. You posting a thread in here will attract people say "yeah its worth it, get it ASAP" because you're in Nexus territory but if you're in the OPO territory, they would say no because OPO has a better value. Both phones have its pros and cons, the decision of whether the "N6 is worth it" is not as black and white.
Will it be worth a lot? I don't predict the future, but it most likely will retain a large % of its value. Nexus 5 is still a popular phone and people are still buying them.
Should you go for the N6? I already answered this. I personally was using the OPO and switched to a N6, the OPO community is great but it was no where as good as the Nexus line of devices. Snapdragon 810, don't really care about it unless a Nexus has its name to it.
If development is something you care about when it comes to a phone, a Nexus won't disappoint.
MetroPCS... do the research on your own and compare bands.
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You sir should write books thanks!
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You sir should write books thanks!
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Not going to lie though, the opo is a great value phone where the specifications don't compromise. It's a very hot phone and the development is pretty good as I've owned one. The development is better than some of the other non nexus devices.
Essentially you're paying to have a bigger screen and front facing speakers as well as a number of other features such as turbo charger.
But you're losing, notification led (can be enabled on n6), ips for a amoled, battery life.
Opo battery life is much better than n6 by 1 hour sot in my personal experience. I still prefer the n6, I love the big size phone and I can't see myself using a screen that isn't as wide.
Ultimately, the choice is up to you. My recommendation is go to a t mobile store and play with the demo. Although, the size isn't a problem once you've used the phone for week, you get used to it.
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zephiK said:
Not going to lie though, the opo is a great value phone where the specifications don't compromise. It's a very hot phone and the development is pretty good as I've owned one. The development is better than some of the other non nexus devices.
Essentially you're paying to have a bigger screen and front facing speakers as well as a number of other features such as turbo charger.
But you're losing, notification led (can be enabled on n6), ips for a amoled, battery life.
Opo battery life is much better than n6 by 1 hour sot in my personal experience. I still prefer the n6, I love the big size phone and I can't see myself using a screen that isn't as wide.
Ultimately, the choice is up to you. My recommendation is go to a t mobile store and play with the demo. Although, the size isn't a problem once you've used the phone for week, you get used to it.
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Alright! Thanks again
If you can wait for a device that you like (form factor, screen, brand) that has the 810 processor in it, I would wait for that. But if you want a phone this second then the Nexus 6 is a decent choice. With that being said you have a few things to consider.
1)Curved back - For some people this is a deal breaker. Don't ask me why it just is.
2)Large size- At a whopping 5.96" it is large in the average person's hand. I have large hands so this was actually fine for me.
3)Battery life- Because of the screen size the battery life isn't best in class. I will say that it is decent though. You can check threads with users posting their SOT. I on average get about 5.5-6 hours screen on time over the course of a day. (If I ever have time to use it that much.)
But with all those things considered there are a few benefits too, which I'm sure you've heard. When it all comes down to it if you are considering the Nexus 6 the other phone you might want to consider is the Note 4. It is close to the same screen size, same processor, and same battery size. I for one thought the Nexus 6 was the better option because of the Nexus phone support and that it has a bone-stock version of Android. I can't stand Samsung's bloatware.
TL;DR:If you want a phone right now it's a good choice. If you can wait a few months, wait a few months.
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If you can wait for a device that you like (form factor, screen, brand) that has the 810 processor in it, I would wait for that. But if you want a phone this second then the Nexus 6 is a decent choice. With that being said you have a few things to consider.
1)Curved back - For some people this is a deal breaker. Don't ask me why it just is.
2)Large size- At a whopping 5.96" it is large in the average person's hand. I have large hands so this was actually fine for me.
3)Battery life- Because of the screen size the battery life isn't best in class. I will say that it is decent though. You can check threads with users posting their SOT. I on average get about 5.5-6 hours screen on time over the course of a day. (If I ever have time to use it that much.)
But with all those things considered there are a few benefits too, which I'm sure you've heard. When it all comes down to it if you are considering the Nexus 6 the other phone you might want to consider is the Note 4. It is close to the same screen size, same processor, and same battery size. I for one thought the Nexus 6 was the better option because of the Nexus phone support and that it has a bone-stock version of Android. I can't stand Samsung's bloatware.
TL;DR:If you want a phone right now it's a good choice. If you can wait a few months, wait a few months.
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There's no point waiting for a few more months, just a couple months later. the Nexus 6 will be even better because the development will be more mature in terms of custom ROMs and kernels.
Going to a phone that is a non-Nexus will have less development and the software will be more bloated with carrier apps and manufacturer skins. Once you go to a Nexus, you stay a Nexus. If a user is wanting something that works outside of the box and doesn't care too much about development then by all means go to a non-Nexus but if you care about custom ROMs and kernels then Nexus devices are the way to go.
I came from a G3 and before that a Note 3
. the Nexus 6 is by far my favorite phone. The development for it is far beyond any other device I have seen, we have kernels, ROMs and everything in between.
The size isn't bad in fact I really like how big it is. It only took a day or two to get used to. Note when I use my wife's Moto X 2014 or S5 its like looking at a iPhone 4. While here may be other devices out there shortly with the SD810 its not going to be as good without devs working on making it better. I had the G3 F460S which had the SD805 and it was much slower than the Nexus with the same processor. LG didn't optimize the chip set well enough to make it worth the upgrade over the regular G3. My antutu score with it was ~46K which is the same as the Moto X that my wife has which is 100% stock. While my G3 was rooted and tweaked with some mods at the time.
The AMOLED display looks great compared to a LCD and its very responsive.
It boils down to preference and I love my Nexus and will buy the next one as well.
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There's no point waiting for a few more months, just a couple months later. the Nexus 6 will be even better because the development will be more mature in terms of custom ROMs and kernels.
Going to a phone that is a non-Nexus will have less development and the software will be more bloated with carrier apps and manufacturer skins. Once you go to a Nexus, you stay a Nexus. If a user is wanting something that works outside of the box and doesn't care too much about development then by all means go to a non-Nexus but if you care about custom ROMs and kernels then Nexus devices are the way to go.
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Nexus phones aren't the end all be all. Usually they have the most developer support but buying something just because it's a Nexus branded phone sounds an awful lot like those "Fruit" buying fanboys that will buy anything their cult favorite company puts out.
zephiK said:
Not going to lie though, the opo is a great value phone where the specifications don't compromise. It's a very hot phone and the development is pretty good as I've owned one. The development is better than some of the other non nexus devices.
Essentially you're paying to have a bigger screen and front facing speakers as well as a number of other features such as turbo charger.
But you're losing, notification led (can be enabled on n6), ips for a amoled, battery life.
Opo battery life is much better than n6 by 1 hour sot in my personal experience. I still prefer the n6, I love the big size phone and I can't see myself using a screen that isn't as wide.
Ultimately, the choice is up to you. My recommendation is go to a t mobile store and play with the demo. Although, the size isn't a problem once you've used the phone for week, you get used to it.
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i would also add that battery life is the most subjective issue. it literally depends on how you use the phone. if you're playing games or generally playing around with your phone, your battery life will suck. i use mine as a phone and tool for work and music in the gym and i get 2+ days of use.
Comes down to this....
TeChNoC4AzY said:
Okay well. Right now i have the oneplus one. Its a great phone and i like it and all... But no android l support yet (no cm12s), my touch screen is going bad, support is eh... and im just wanting to buy something that has been improved over many years... And is reliable. opo is kinda new.. with a single device.
So i thought of the nexus 6. It looks and feels amazing (as i have held/saw one) scores really nice on benchmarks despite the quad hd display.
My opo currently has the bamboo back (swap cover) and its in perfect condition, should be worth a good amount, and i get paid soon. So now i am tempted to buy the nexus 6.
Afew questions.
Firstly, I am all about having fast/latest hardware, so here is where my concern comes in. Is this nexus 6 a first of a soon soc snapdragon 805? Because i remember when the nexus 5 was out, half a year later there was a much better soc snapdragon 801. I know the nexus 6 will be fast, but i am just thinking ahead..
Next, is $700+ (as i would get the 64gb one) worth it?.. Its a HUGE jump from the previous $400 32gb nexus 5.. I thought nexus devices were always going to be cheap.. I mean, a bigger screen, a better build quality and snapdragon 805.. that's about all.
Middle, Will it be worth alot by next year when the next nexus arrives? (for resale purposes)
And lastly, should i just go for the nexus 6? And stay in the nexus line.. Or wait for a snapdragon 810 model phone to release.. As 64bit is arriving this year.
PS: Is metro PCS supported?
That's about all i am wondering..
Thanks for anyone that can help me.
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If you like to tinker and have the time to spend doing so, the Nexus is the obvious choice. If on the other hand you spend more time doing things, working, recreation, socializing, then another phone will probably suit you better. Unfortunately this was my first Nexus device, and I got it thinking that it would be great to have a phone without all the carrier bloat. After getting it I found that many things I've come to consider standard in a phone, settings, options, etc. are sadly not present and probably will be in time with tinkering and trial and error, but I no longer have the time nor the patience to experiment on a device that I paid a large premium for that just seems to not only be crippled by sloppy software but also with possible hardware inconsistencies. I am lucky that I can jump any time I want and probably will here as soon as more devices come to market. But one thing the Nexus will do for you is help you to appreciate the care that other manufacturers put into their devices to support many features and options that a pure android device does not. So, with that in mind, make your won decision and live with it.
IMO, it's overpriced based on the quality of screen and some parts they used + poor QC.

Who is getting the next NOTE or switch to another device?

What's up peeps, who else is skipping the next Note? I know I am, sadly I will have to part ways with what I though would be the only phone I'd rather have. EvLeaks mentioned no SD card, and I am obviously reconsidering another device. My new device of choice is now the new Moto X Pure Edition. It has great specs and a way more cheaper price and doesn't lack SD card. And straight up its beefy. Looking at the leaks it'll be the same note with a glued back and no SD card. I am however keeping my note 4 what do you fellas think? Judging by the articles many people are going to leave samsung. I've been loyal since the s3. O well
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I was one of the very first on here to get the note 1. With this sad news, I am not sure what I get. But it's got to be something with a removable battery and SD card.
Add a poll. That might be enough to keep it up. Curious if most of us are bummed out.
I'm thinking maybe the g5 when it comes out.
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I have the Note 4 and have been VERY happy with it coming from the Note 3. I'm still on the original NK4 rooted with DK 4.2 rom. Im waiting for the 5.1.1 roms before I update it since doing the update will keep the phone fresh for me for quite some time. With that being said. I want the SD card, that's a must. I never have a need for removable battery as I get 7-8 hours of screen on time easily. I love the S Pen and I use it regularly THAT is the only reason i may consider Note without SD card but I'm more then likely looking at The Moto X Pure/Style if I were to upgrade. The LG G4 would have been a great option in my opinion if they just idn't go with the 808 SD. That processor just feels like an AMD chip instead of an Intel if you get my meaning.
Also been very happy with the specs and performance of the Note 4 so I will use it until it dies. Now in case it goes to the cellphone graveyard my number one choice would be the new Nexus 5 from LG, if the specs and look are exactly as the leaks have shown then it will be a great cost-effective phone. As a previous Nexus 5 owner i am inclined to it over any flagship phone out there.
I'm on the fence, as I love the Note series. I will probably still get the note 5,but I will definitely look at other options.
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I usually upgrade every year and was fully planning to get the note 5 until all these leaks starting coming out. No way in hell now, it'd be a downgrade. The mediocrity of the n5 has actually renewed my appreciation for how awesome my n4 is, so I'm more than happy to just hang on to the trusty old mare until she quits or until an actual worthy upgrade comes out. There's nothing out right now that really reels me in, maybe I'll upgrade if the G4 Pro comes out and is super incredible. Regardless I have a feeling this'll be my last Samsung phone, unless by some miracle they pull their heads out of their rears with the note 6.
Is there one thing in particular? Or just the cumulative effect of their poor choices?
For me the non removable battery is the primary reason. I hate not having a spare battery, drives me insane. I'm 50/50 on ordering one. I am definitely going to see what else I could use, but I've been with Sammy for so damn long...
Anyone have suggestions for a new phone? I was considering briefly the Nexus, or the new LG. I though I glanced at an article for the new LG that sounded like it had a stylus, I belive it was the LG G4 Note... Which I thought was odd.
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No SD card slot is a deal killer,
And battery not removable... well, that's just dumb!
Peace...
3,000 mah battery non removable battery with more cores to power than the note 4. Until something good comes out until then I'll keep the note 4. Out of everything a smaller battery
Moto x pure edition looks legit man, and has a expandable storage up to 128 with 64gb internal? Geez. If I go that route I would be getting a champagne trim with a red leather back and red accents lol. I love the note screen tho that's the thing that I really love. But that's why I'm keeping my note 4 till the mofkn wheels fall off! !!
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3,000 mah battery non removable battery with more cores to power than the note 4. Until something good comes out until then I'll keep the note 4. Out of everything a smaller battery
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How do you know the Note 5 won't have better battery life? Just because it has more cores doesn't mean it will have any less battery life. Optimization is key. If the new chipset is more efficient then that will equal better battery life. Just saying lets wait for the phone to be released (hell, even announced) before we rule it out.
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How do you know the Note 5 won't have better battery life? Just because it has more cores doesn't mean it will have any less battery life. Optimization is key. If the new chipset is more efficient then that will equal better battery life. Just saying lets wait for the phone to be released (hell, even announced) before we rule it out.
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From the lies of previous processors being more efficient I highly doubt they can make it last longer than the note 4 with all the extra juice to power.
I've been searching for contenders since finding out the S6 was sealed shut because I knew the Note line would follow. I narrowed it down to the LG G4 for the removable battery and expandable storage until recently. Now I'm actually considering switching everything I've known up and ~possibly~ go with a Windows phone. People either love them or hate them, and honestly I've never had one so I figure I might give it whirl. The 950XL seems promising for my needs but it all depends if those rumors are true too. Not to mention if T-Mobile will even carry it as I depend on WiFi calling. I've been with Samsung since the S2 and Android in general even longer so it'll definitely be a change all around. If all that doesn't pan out I'll probably still go with LG, but I'll see what's out when the time comes.
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Note 5 without removable battery and SD card kills everything that made this phone great. If my Note 4 should die I would look into the new LG Nexus 5. Specs looks good and the previous version was a solid phone.
Switching. Have the new X in my sights. Honestly I never wanted the note 4 in the first place, but it really was the best available phone (by quite a bit) at the time. Well, now, many others have caught up.The X might not be every bit as good, but it's pretty close, and it's $300 or more less expensive. I only use the stylus for BS anyways.
I already bought the new G for my son (shipped, will be here next week), and heck, if I like that, I may even just slum it and go that route. I'm kind of sick of what I spend on these flagship phones now a days.
Edit: like others have said, I'm even considering Windows 10 phone. But I think I'll give them at least 1 more generation before I make that jump.. Or start out with a budget one and use it as a backup or something and see how it goes.
Today was the first day I considered sticking with my N4.. but the horrible battery life I'm getting is just too great... if I could somehow get atleast 8 hrs SOT like I was before this lollipop update then I would highly consider sticking around longer... right now I'm running 128gb so I love the more than ample space I have and I do NOT like the non SD and non removable battery. ... this lollipop update has pushed me to buying a charging dock for this phone because the battery is so bad.
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Today was the first day I considered sticking with my N4.. but the horrible battery life I'm getting is just too great... if I could somehow get atleast 8 hrs SOT like I was before this lollipop update then I would highly consider sticking around longer... right now I'm running 128gb so I love the more than ample space I have and I do NOT like the non SD and non removable battery. ... this lollipop update has pushed me to buying a charging dock for this phone because the battery is so bad.
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Hardly anyone gets 8+ hrs. SOT. (unless they have an extended battery)
Battery life all depends on the individual user, everyone uses their phones differently and people have different
apps installed plus different personal setting like their brightness setting, auto screen off time, volume and so on.
An other big variable is the number of auto-start apps each of which consume different amounts of battery power
and run in the background. And lastly, remember that everyone uses their phones differently.
You do know that you can downgrade back to the odin flash official kitkat 4.4.4 firmware and re-root your phone,
flash twrp recovery and lastly flash one of the excellent kitkat custom roms found here in xda.
Now why didn't I think of that! LOL
Have a great day,
Good luck!

Help me decide LG G2 or Nexus 5X

I've been awarded an insurance payout for my LG G2, a phone that I love and really don't have any problems with. I have the option of paying for LG to repair the device, or to apply the new funds to a new phone, I'm thinking the 5X. I'm torn between the two. The specs on the G2 have been more than enough for me. I'm envious of newer flagships cameras vs the G2... Though I'm not sure about the camera on the 5X.
I'm very interested in having OS updates directly from google, but truthfully, I'm also a heavy user of Xposed, and can't see myself being an early adopter of M anyway. I'm worried that the 2GB of ram and mid range processor on the 5X could pose a problem for future OS updates (Post Android M). I'm also curious about the G5, but given the form factor trend getting larger and larger, G3 and G4, I highly doubt they're going to to back to the smaller size that I love w/ the G2/Nexus5/Nexus5X. My most important factors are Camera, battery life, and form factor with a strong preference for future proofing/performance... aka ram and processor.
Given the choice of repairing the G2 for 150 dollars (and waiting for a future device down the road) or receiving 150 dollars off the purchase of a new Nexus 5X... what would you choose?
I was eagerly awaiting the announcement of the new nexus 5, but like many was disappointed with the result. It has a slight performance bump due to sd808/adreno418, a potentially better camera and a fingerprint sensor, but it's also physically MUCH bigger than the G2 despite the same screen size and yet also has a smaller battery. If I'm going to go with a bigger device overall, I'd rather have the bigger screen and battery to go with it.
I actually purchased a brand new (not refurbished) G2 relatively recently and am glad I did. I don't see many phones coming with the same size/performance balance. If I were you, I would take the money and see if I could find newish (not refurbished) G2 for less than $200. The key is getting a fresh battery, and there's no guarantee there with a refurb or repair. Look on swappa/eBay. This phone still has a lot of life left.
Have you considered the Moto X Pure Edition. I think it should check all your boxes and is only $20 more than the 5X.
yes, mach01, I think you're right, the Moto X seems the better buy vs the nexus, developer community aside. I'm back to leaning towards @xdabbeb's opinion though... getting the G2 repaired w/ a battery replacement. I'm wildly disappointed w/ LG's hardware support team, there doesn't seem to be any way for them to add a new battery to the repair... even after offering to pay for it. Might have a local shop in the area do it instead. I hope that the community doesn't drop dead for the G2.... I'd really like to get Doze (and android M) on the G2, but bigger and better devices are on the horizon, and I can't fault others for wanting to jump ship.
Let me just put it this way.... I have owned the G2 since it came out. Bought it brand new straight from Verizon the first week it was out if I recall correctly. I have used and abused it every day since then (2 years). Running xdabbeb's Rom with his kernel and xcam my G2 beat every phone that came out in 2014, in battery life, size, speed, and camera quality. Literally I couldnt find a decent excuse to upgrade. So solid. Then about a month ago my digitizer started going out. Couldn't swipe anymore. Thats a deal breaker for me. So I started looking. Ended up going with the Moto X Pure 2015 because I wanted front facing speakers and custom colors. And so far it has been a great choice. However comparing the phones side by side I would say the G2 still holds its own. Its my favorite 5 inch device still to this day. My favorite phablet is the new moto x. Anyways I say all that to throw my hat in with the G2 "best 5 inch phone award", especially with the modding community headed up by xdabbeb. Great stuff and still the 5 inch phone I would recommend for the money, as long as the person buying it is planning on modding it. Without modding it the phone is pretty laggy and has issues.
JT
Did you ever get to decide on which device u would move forward with? Am faced with the same dilemma u were facing a while ago.

Next phone Opinion, no Hate needed

Hey guys,
I've been an Android guy since the Desire HD days, (2010), but before that I had an iPhone. My switch to Android was mainly for the freedom of thinkering, customizing things to my needs and because by that time, devices where usually cheaper.
I have been seriously considering switching back to iPhone, (6s+) specifically, as I feel that in the last years iOS has advanced, as well as Android, greatly.
I buy Nexus devices for the clean Google Android experience, and fast transparent updates with no carrier OEM interaction.
This whole N update has been a disaster IMO, and I'm reluctant to buy a 6p (I'm always one year behind) thinking the same thing will probably happen to it with the Android 8 update. And I always feel as I have to make compromises with my Nexus devices, like the bad camera (IMO) for the N6, or lag after a few days, or the HORRIBLE touch issues on my 2013 Nexus 7 (which I still love).
Not sure if I could handle the change though, will give my wife's iPhone a spin when it receives iOS 10 today.
Any thoughts?
My thoughts:
N6 and iPhone are very good phones.
Choice is personal.
Disadvantage of the iPhone is the price.
NLBeev said:
My thoughts:
N6 and iPhone are very good phones.
Choice is personal.
Disadvantage of the iPhone is the price.
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Thanks for the reply, though it seems that the price difference gets smaller each time as the Pixel XL is rumored to cost $649, and the 7s Plus 32GB costs $769.
Honestly not a huge difference, more so when you take in to account that iPhones tend to resale for more (at least here in the states)
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jibust said:
This whole N update has been a disaster IMO, and I'm reluctant to buy a 6p (I'm always one year behind) thinking the same thing will probably happen to it with the Android 8 update. And I always feel as I have to make compromises with my Nexus devices, like the bad camera (IMO) for the N6, or lag after a few days, or the HORRIBLE touch issues on my 2013 Nexus 7 (which I still love).
Not sure if I could handle the change though, will give my wife's iPhone a spin when it receives iOS 10 today.
Any thoughts?
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It has been, but this fall is not good for updates, or for judging by updates:
https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/13/ios-10-update-bricked-my-iphone/
jibust said:
.....difference gets smaller each time as the Pixel XL is rumored to cost $649, and the 7s Plus 32GB costs $769.
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Right but..., we pay to much.
The design of the iPhones is superior.
Imo that's the reason why people are so happy to pay the high price.
When we look further.... We have here publications that Apple is fined to pay 13 billion euro. They pay 0,005% taxes instead of 30%.
Apple-like companies are stealing from the community, they use infrastructure etc for free.
Maybe you need a brief break from Android, as i might it is really a personal decision versus specs.
In my opinion, it isn't such a great time to upgrade yet, I honestly wanted to upgrade to the OnePlus 3 but alas, it's GSM only so its bands don't support Verizon. Then I was looking towards the Galaxy Note 7 and was thinking about upgrading, but then the whole battery explosion fiasco happened. Now the iPhone 7 came out and I wasn't amazed one bit. Keep in mind I used to have iPhones since the 3G lineup, but the customization capabilities were so stale and weak so I switched over to Android on the Galaxy S5, never looked back.
If I am to upgrade anytime this year it's going to have to be a "Pixel" device and they're going to have to wow me, otherwise I think I'll hang onto my N6 for another year, still an amazing device
I wouldn't get the 6p, since it is snapdragon 810. Frankly, the 6's 805 is a better chip.
Not sure the reason for the panic about the update, it has only been a few days. They've been adding one device at a time, presumably to let the dust settle on the latest device before moving on to the next one. 6p was the most recent to get the update, only one remaining now is the 6.
The next ones (named pixel instead of nexus?) will be snapdragon 820 or 821, which is finally a good 64bit chip from QC.
IMO the ZTE Axon 7 is the best bang for the buck right now. Flagship specs and all the latest features for $400. You could sell your Nexus 6 for $150-$200 to help offset the cost.
Thanks for the input everyone.
Gave my wife's 6s+ a spin, and it would be a pretty big change. Going to think about it for a while and see. Depending on the Pixel lineup I will choose.
Thanks again!
The one benefit of Android is we're really starting to get great phones at a bargain price, something that will never happen to iOS. For instance, my wife got the Amazon-version of the Moto G4 for $125 and it's a pretty amazing phone. Not stock android, and who knows about updates, but it's a great phone for the price.
I'm going to have a lot of trouble upgrading to anything that costs over $300. I'm disappointed that the upcoming Pixel phones are going to be in the Samsung/Apple price range, as opposed to ~$300-400.
After my Nexus 6, I'm considering staying a year behind. Upgrade to a 6p or 5x. Stay in the ecosystem, get the Google updates, get a faster phone but not pay leading-edge prices.
I have three things that keep me from going iPhone and one of them is something I can overlook. I need to have access to the file structure and use my phone as a USB drive. I also need to have the ability to send ANY file to another person via email, like zip files or different image formats like .tiff. The iPhone email restrictions are a deal breaker to me. I also hate having every app on the main screen all of the time, but I can live without it. I'm heavily invested in the Google system, but I'd give that up too.
An iPhone for 99% of people is a solid choice, it's just a fact. But guess what? Android is a solid choice as well. But things like OEM induced OS fragmentation and carrier interference make it a bit less desirable, but Nexus is the way a fix for that. I have to say if they get rid of Nexus devices and get rid of the ability to root (I love ad blocking at the system level) I may have to go iPhone as well.
NLBeev said:
Right but..., we pay to much.
The design of the iPhones is superior.
Imo that's the reason why people are so happy to pay the high price.
When we look further.... We have here publications that Apple is fined to pay 13 billion euro. They pay 0,005% taxes instead of 30%.
Apple-like companies are stealing from the community, they use infrastructure etc for free.
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The design is superior except of the fact the iPhone 6 and above bend super easy. I work for a cell repair shop and about half of them are bent when they come in for a screen replacement or any other service. We also have a lot of bad batteries come in, and they get so bloated that they push up the screen. But I guess it is better to bloat than explode like the note 7 lol
chapelfreak said:
The design is superior except of the fact the iPhone 6 and above bend super easy. I work for a cell repair shop and about half of them are bent when they come in for a screen replacement or any other service. We also have a lot of bad batteries come in, and they get so bloated that they push up the screen. But I guess it is better to bloat than explode like the note 7 lol
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Apple *invented* exploding batteries.... (yep, they should feel free to actually take credit for this one)
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/more-exploding-iphones/
DogzOfWar said:
The one benefit of Android is we're really starting to get great phones at a bargain price, something that will never happen to iOS. For instance, my wife got the Amazon-version of the Moto G4 for $125 and it's a pretty amazing phone. Not stock android, and who knows about updates, but it's a great phone for the price.
I'm going to have a lot of trouble upgrading to anything that costs over $300. I'm disappointed that the upcoming Pixel phones are going to be in the Samsung/Apple price range, as opposed to ~$300-400.
After my Nexus 6, I'm considering staying a year behind. Upgrade to a 6p or 5x. Stay in the ecosystem, get the Google updates, get a faster phone but not pay leading-edge prices.
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Well I enjoy being on the bleeding edge, that is why I bought Nexus and put up with the shortcomings of Nexus, but the way Google has handled N for the N6 leaves a really bad taste. I know it sounds picky but we buy Nexus for the often mentioned Google updates. Not a fan of the 6p but I'm seriosly considering it, maybe I'll get it during Black Friday.
Dusty Rhodes said:
I have three things that keep me from going iPhone and one of them is something I can overlook. I need to have access to the file structure and use my phone as a USB drive. I also need to have the ability to send ANY file to another person via email, like zip files or different image formats like .tiff. The iPhone email restrictions are a deal breaker to me. I also hate having every app on the main screen all of the time, but I can live without it. I'm heavily invested in the Google system, but I'd give that up too.
An iPhone for 99% of people is a solid choice, it's just a fact. But guess what? Android is a solid choice as well. But things like OEM induced OS fragmentation and carrier interference make it a bit less desirable, but Nexus is the way a fix for that. I have to say if they get rid of Nexus devices and get rid of the ability to root (I love ad blocking at the system level) I may have to go iPhone as well.
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Well, I've found that I can pretty much replace/cover all my needs with Apple Apps. Also, from using my wife's iPhone, I agree with those who say that the Google experience is actually better in iOS now. They even have features/apps we don't have :silly:
chapelfreak said:
The design is superior except of the fact the iPhone 6 and above bend super easy. I work for a cell repair shop and about half of them are bent when they come in for a screen replacement or any other service. We also have a lot of bad batteries come in, and they get so bloated that they push up the screen. But I guess it is better to bloat than explode like the note 7 lol
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Lol, A sturdy case fixes the bending and a battery change fixes the bloating. Nothing fixes a burnt phone, you are right.
doitright said:
Apple *invented* exploding batteries.... (yep, they should feel free to actually take credit for this one)
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/more-exploding-iphones/
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Lol
jibust said:
Well I enjoy being on the bleeding edge, that is why I bought Nexus and put up with the shortcomings of Nexus, but the way Google has handled N for the N6 leaves a really bad taste. I know it sounds picky but we buy Nexus for the often mentioned Google updates. Not a fan of the 6p but I'm seriosly considering it, maybe I'll get it during Black Friday.
Well, I've found that I can pretty much replace/cover all my needs with Apple Apps. Also, from using my wife's iPhone, I agree with those who say that the Google experience is actually better in iOS now. They even have features/apps we don't have :silly:
Lol, A sturdy case fixes the bending and a battery change fixes the bloating. Nothing fixes a burnt phone, you are right.
Lol
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Unfortunately most people have cases that look nice, but have very little protection.
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Unfortunately most people have cases that look nice, but have very little protection.
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Well I believe that it depends on the person, I can use a phone without case and it won't have issues, still I use a pretty slim one that provide very little protection.
My wife on the other hand, needs to have her phone encased in an almost military grade cover, my kid the same.
There are just people who take a little bit more care of their phones, or just give it a lot more value, for others it's just another tool so if it falls it falls.
I had the note 7. I tried to like it. I like the camera a lot. But I'm sitting at best buy right now returning the note 7. I knew going into the note 7 that TW was a memory hog but I tried to like it. After using it for a couple of weeks and used my N6 again, I couldn't believe how much quicker everything felt. So here I am, back to the N6, I'll be on the look out for the pixel phones.
Since price and OEM practices of apple arent an issue for you, get an iphone.
iphones are targeted at a specific demographic and it seems you are part of it.
Gonna resurrect this thread since the Pixel phones just came out. I honestly do not find the Pixel (reg and XL) appealing.
I used a co-workers S6 Edge, and I have to admit, it was pretty nice. I would actually go for the Note 7 since I like the bigger screen (yes, explosion, yes fire, just saying).
Any recommendations?

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