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Since I need to preserve my unlimited data from Verizon, and cannot accept a subsidized phone, I decided to at least add wireless charging to the Revolution. I know this is nothing new, but I thought I would share what I have learned so far. I have two Revolutions (one for me, one for wife), so I bought two battery doors that are required for wireless QI charging. I got them on Amazon for $14.99 each:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009R0ODHA/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
Also needed is a QI charging pad. I bought two of the ones that LG made for this and a couple of other phones (costly at $40 each, but they will work with future QI enabled devices as well):
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005DMBSVA/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00
I like to have chargers available around the house and rear porch, so I am also going to experiment with these chargers as well, and will report back how they work; they are only $20 each and are dual chargers:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003F0RQ0O/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
The charging through the LG charging pad works great. There were complaints in the reviews at Amazon about beeping from the LG charger, but after 3 nights with two of them running, I haven't heard any noises that have woken either of us. We just set the phones on the charger, the base indicates charging has begun and the screen displays that wireless charging has initiated with a big battery status bar.
This QI charging is a feature I will look at closely when the time comes to select new phones. As it stands, I have 4G, HDMI, Bluetooth, WiFi, GPS, big screen and don't use the phone often for heavy gaming. To prevent the need for Verizon's subsidy on a new device (equaling loss of unlimited data), I will just wear these out for another year or so (maybe even longer). I have an ASUS tablet for the heavy stuff anyhow.
Is the wireless back much different than the regular back cover depthwise?
kyledyr said:
Is the wireless back much different than the regular back cover depthwise?
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It adds depth, the phone becomes thicker. It is supposed to be 1.5mm deeper, but I think a little more.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F6SPYJS/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I recently purchased this from Amazon. Not a bad buy for $22, but some quirks. I noticed that if you are going to charge with a case on, you need an optimal charger and cable. With anything less than that, the charger will repeatedly cycle on and off. With case off a 1amp charger will work, with case on you need a 2amp charger and good cable. Also, the sweet spot on the phone is somewhat small, so it needs to be positioned with some precision, can't just be dropped onto the charger.
Here's the one problem and I don't know if its the charger or G2. The phone charges fairly rapidly. So if I awaken in the middle of the night for some reason which I will not discuss here, the phone will be fully charged and the charging will shut down. However, over the rest of the night the charger doesn't turn on and the phone charge trickles down to something around 97%. Even if I take the phone off the charger, the charging won't immediately start up again. I haven't determined if there is a point at which wireless charging will be re-enabled but all works well when I replace it on the charger the following night.
This is the charger. I have a Samsung Qi S4 charger and it will continue to trickle charge throughout the night. When I pull mine off in the AM, it's at 100%.
The more expensive chargers have multiple coils in there to allow "drop and charge" and also have better charging programming to trickle charge.
The cheaper ones work well, but as you mentioned, are a little trickier to find the sweet spot and just turn off when reached 100%. The cheap ones are good for travel and office charging, but I'd buy a better one for bedtime charges.
http://www.amazon.com/Lerway-Wireless-Power-Charger-Lumia920/dp/B00E9MUNWU/ref=pd_sim_cps_32
These get good reviews and are cheaper. I don't own one to know how it operates, but reviews look good. Ebay also has one that I think is the same device for $10.
Here is my Samsung Qi Plate:
http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Indu...TF8&qid=1387389091&sr=1-1&keywords=samsung+qi
I think the Samsung can be had for 50% off using coupon code: RV18623
You have to sign in with your Google ID or create an account. I just tried it and said 1 per account.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EP-P100IJWUST2
player911 said:
This is the charger. I have a Samsung Qi S4 charger and it will continue to trickle charge throughout the night. When I pull mine off in the AM, it's at 100%.
The more expensive chargers have multiple coils in there to allow "drop and charge" and also have better charging programming to trickle charge.
The cheaper ones work well, but as you mentioned, are a little trickier to find the sweet spot and just turn off when reached 100%. The cheap ones are good for travel and office charging, but I'd buy a better one for bedtime charges.
http://www.amazon.com/Lerway-Wireless-Power-Charger-Lumia920/dp/B00E9MUNWU/ref=pd_sim_cps_32
These get good reviews and are cheaper. I don't own one to know how it operates, but reviews look good. Ebay also has one that I think is the same device for $10.
Here is my Samsung Qi Plate:
http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Indu...TF8&qid=1387389091&sr=1-1&keywords=samsung+qi
I think the Samsung can be had for 50% off using coupon code: RV18623
You have to sign in with your Google ID or create an account. I just tried it and said 1 per account.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EP-P100IJWUST2
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Thanks. Yeah, I was thinking of doing that. Using the coil at my work desk and the more reliable plugin at bedtime. At least with a plug in and suboptimal cable, I'll get a slow charge warning but eventually completely charged in the AM.
You won't get the Slow Charge message at all using Qi. In fact I use a standard USB 5V wall plug that spits out 500mah. It complains just using the cable, but not the cable and Qi.
I recommend slow charging bedside anyway (either wired or Qi). You'll get a MUCH longer lasting battery that way. Fast Charging is also Fast Depleting.
Is anyone aware of a wireless charger that would enable the fast charging speeds of the charger in the box?
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I believe the limitation of Qi is 500 - 700 mA unfortunately.
I think, but not sure, that you can use and qi wireless charger as long as it's connected with the included (and rather large) Droid Turbo power adapter.
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I think, but not sure, that you can use and qi wireless charger as long as it's connected with the included (and rather large) Droid Turbo power adapter.
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I cant imagine you would need to use the turbo charger for this. Like SBC44 said the speed is going to be limited fairly low with wireless charging. It wouldn't be possible to charge that fast with wireless technologies, at least not with the current technology. The turbo charger moves a lot of juice.
Here is some good reading if your interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_charging
From the article "Slower charging – due to the lower efficiency, devices can take longer to charge when supplied power is equal."
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Is anyone aware of a wireless charger that would enable the fast charging speeds of the charger in the box?
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I dont think so.. wall chargers are more powerful than wireless chargers.. Wireless chargers are still need to improve alot..
Wireless charging takes more than overnight!
Do not waste your money on the Verizon wireless charger. The battery in this is so big that even overnight does not bring a phone that was down to 25% up to a full charge.
Thanks for letting us know. I was about to buy the Verizon wireless charger 2 days ago when I was buying all my accessories for the phone. Would've been a bummer to find out how slow the wireless charger chargers. Thanks.
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The TYLT brand wireless charger is capable of normal wall plug speeds. It will be much faster than the average Qi charger but at the same time the turbo charger is amazing. I do not know of a charger that can charge as fast as the turbo charger but this TYLT brand is pretty good. The only reason I would get a wireless charger is to reduce wear and tear on my microUSB port (the culprit for retiring most of my previous android devices).
I also think its common knowledge that rapid charging and discharging of LiPo batteries reduces the overall life expectancy. I'm not sure what Motorola is doing with this whole "rapid charge and non removable battery" thing. Its possible that Turbo users can prolong the life of their batteries by charging at normal rates but I honestly don't have enough info to make a confident statement about that.
Here's the fastest Qi charger that I know of right now:
http://www.tylt.com/vu/
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The TYLT brand wireless charger is capable of normal wall plug speeds. It will be much faster than the average Qi charger but at the same time the turbo charger is amazing. I do not know of a charger that can charge as fast as the turbo charger but this TYLT brand is pretty good. The only reason I would get a wireless charger is to reduce wear and tear on my microUSB port (the culprit for retiring most of my previous android devices).
I also think its common knowledge that rapid charging and discharging of LiPo batteries reduces the overall life expectancy. I'm not sure what Motorola is doing with this whole "rapid charge and non removable battery" thing. Its possible that Turbo users can prolong the life of their batteries by charging at normal rates but I honestly don't have enough info to make a confident statement about that.
Here's the fastest Qi charger that I know of right now:
http://www.tylt.com/vu/
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I also use the Tylt Vu and am very pleased with it. Looking forward to their wireless car dock.
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I also use the Tylt Vu and am very pleased with it. Looking forward to their wireless car dock.
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Is there an actual model thats being advertised for release? Ive been searching everywhere for the right wireless car dock. Im trying to minimize my usage on the microUSB port.
That goes for everyone. If you know of any good wireless Qi car mounts /docks that would be superb. I drive all day every day.
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Is there an actual model thats being advertised for release? Ive been searching everywhere for the right wireless car dock. Im trying to minimize my usage on the microUSB port.
That goes for everyone. If you know of any good wireless Qi car mounts /docks that would be superb. I drive all day every day.
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Their website just says coming soon, but Android Police did a hands-on post about it a couple of weeks ago. Looks like the price will be about $80 (!).
I currently use this wireless car dock and haven't had any problems with it..
I was thinking of getting this car mount, but wasnt sure how it would work with the turbo. I have a few questions for you;
do you have a case on it? if so which one... i have the otterbox commuter...
what car are you using it in?
are you using the suction cup or vent connection?
any info would be helpful!
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I'm not using a case on the Turbo, but I used it with an HTC One M8 with a Commuter case and it worked fine. I drive a Chevy Avalanche and mounted the cradle using a ProClip vehicle mount and one of their adapter plates for an XM Radio believe it or not. That matches up pretty well with the tab on the back of the Choetech mount, but I did have to wrap a few rubber bands around the tab so it was tight enough.
I've used this one for close to a year with various devices. It does charge at 1.2a but is limited by the wireless receiver, most are .75a or less. That being said, this unit works great with my BN turbo. It is always at 99-100% after about 7 hours on night stand even when starting below 20%. Currently I'm not using a case, but I have a Commuter case I used for awhile and the wireless charger still worked fine through the case.
May be available in the end of 2015!
Right now there is no wireless charger that supports faster charging but it will soon be available in the end of 2015 as it is under developing state.
I have the Tylt and it says it supports the rapid charging. I can't say it is as fast as the wall charger since I've only had it a few days, but it does seem that the initial charge is very fast.
Also, very stylish. The wife doesn't even complain about leaving it on the night stand.
Bought the TYLT when I pick up the DT its well worth the $75. It charges faster than all my other home Qi chargers and it keeps the phone at a decent angle for viewing. It is not able to keep up with the draw of TS3 Viewer though, but not really a normal issue. I use this charger everyday and it will charge the phone from sub 15% to full overnight. Consequently I normally use this charger to charge up my wife's S5 and it seems to charge at a similar rate to her normal Samsung charger. I like useing this charger over the turbo charger simply because it should help the battery to last longer.
As far as dash mount I use the iOttie Easy Flex Wireless Qi Charger. That one maintains battery levels with the screen always on running Dash and Google Play (it also almost keeps up with running GPS ie. Waze/Google Maps) I posted an extensive reply in a later thread about that charger.
i bought the TYLT and love it. when i turn droid off and put it on TYLT and droid turns on itself. how do i keep droid off while charging? thanks.
bringing this back as I just bought this device. curious to see if there are any fast wireless chargers available yet? i do see QI wireless charging pads, but not sure if that is what I want. thanks!
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bringing this back as I just bought this device. curious to see if there are any fast wireless chargers available yet? i do see QI wireless charging pads, but not sure if that is what I want. thanks!
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I don't think any have hit the market yet. I have several of the tilt Qi chargers all over the house, so I love wireless charging.
I've always liked having a dock on my nightstand for my phones, which essentially turns them into an alarm clock. Wireless would be a plus, or a way to incorporate the turbo charger, but neither is essential. Really just want a stand that charges. Any suggestions?
Get the moto flip dock for 9.99.
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jfriend33 said:
Get the moto flip dock for 9.99.
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Do you have a link? When I Google Motorola flip dock, I get a $25 dock with almost universal hate in the reviews.
http://www.motorola.com/us/accessory-family-page-1/Flip-Stand/m-Flip-Stand.html
I'd avoid wireless charging like the plague. Just use your turbo charger. You really shouldn't leave it plugged in over night anyway so a stand is all you really need.
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Thanks. Why avoid wireless charging, I hadn't heard anything bad about it before?
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http://www.motorola.com/us/accessory-family-page-1/Flip-Stand/m-Flip-Stand.html
I'd avoid wireless charging like the plague. Just use your turbo charger. You really shouldn't leave it plugged in over night anyway so a stand is all you really need.
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My last 3 phones have been retired because of the usb port failing from charging wear. I love the idea of wireless charging, care to explain your statement "avoid wireless charging like the plague"?
Wireless charging uses extra power because 20% is lost as heat. This heat is also not good for the life span of a lithium polymer battery... Especially when it's non removable...
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Just for the record, the Sammy folding dock that I was using for my S4 works great but you have to coax it in place a bit.
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Multimedia-Desktop-Charging/dp/B0089VO71U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1414943105&sr=8-1&keywords=samsung+s4+dock
Can you charge with your Sammy Dock? I have two and neither will charge Turbos. (both my wife and I upgraded from S4s to Turbos)
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Wireless charging uses extra power because 20% is lost as heat. This heat is also not good for the life span of a lithium polymer battery... Especially when it's non removable...
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Is it really an issue of it doesn't get really hot? I've had my nexus 7 on a wireless charging dock every day/night for over a year and the battery is fine. Started using the dock for my Turbo every night now, buy you have me curious.
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Coronado is dead said:
Is it really an issue of it doesn't get really hot? I've had my nexus 7 on a wireless charging dock every day/night for over a year and the battery is fine. Started using the dock for my Turbo every night now, buy you have me curious.
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Don't be paranoid like me lol. I came from a Galaxy nexus with horrible battery life so my battery conservation carried over into my droid razr maxx hd, Droid maxx, and g3.
If you get a new phone every year or two, you're probably fine. But with a non removable battery, it does make it more difficult to fix.
I would strongly advise charging your phone from 30-90 and only do a 5-100% once a month for calibration.
Battery university is the place to read. You will discover that products are built for performance not longevity. Just like with an electric car it's better to slow charge over night. But sometimes you need to charge fast.
With smart charge 2.0 by qualcom aka turbo charge, it's so new of a technology we don't know what implications it will have on lifetime of the battery.
However qi charging isn't new. And most of the energy when charging wirelessly is lost from heat in the transmission. Basically if I were you I would only qi charge when absolutely necessary and monitor the temp with an app or something.
The flipside is usb port wear and tear. It's not cheap to fix a usb port unless you do it yourself. I am not sure how hard you are on your ports. It could be a better situation for you to wirelessly charge.
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Just get a tylt wireless charger. I picked up two of them about a year ago. They had a 50% off sale. Use one for my nexus 7, and one for my lg g2. Now the turbo sits on it and works great.
I had a wireless charger the whole life of my g2, and I never saw a negative impact by it. It's just a lot more convenient.
I had this dock http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FOFY1J2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 that I had ordered for my Moto X. I plugged the Turbo charger into it, and the phone reports that it is being turbo charged through the dock.
Has a little wobble to the phone, because the usb jack sticking out of the dock is a little long, so the phone isn't really sitting on the spring loaded bottom, but I'm not worried about it.
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Just get a tylt wireless charger. I picked up two of them about a year ago. They had a 50% off sale. Use one for my nexus 7, and one for my lg g2. Now the turbo sits on it and works great.
I had a wireless charger the whole life of my g2, and I never saw a negative impact by it. It's just a lot more convenient.
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Does the tylt stop charging at 100%? The Itia A6 does so then daydream or any bedside apps stop working.
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Does the tylt stop charging at 100%? The Itia A6 does so then daydream or any bedside apps stop working.
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It does stop charging when at 100%.
Wireless charging shouldn't get any hotter than the CPU or the cellular radio when they are working hard. The heat is a byproduct of the induction process in the coils of the receiver, not the battery itself. Typically shortening the battery life due to heat is from charging or discharging at a high a rate. The wireless charger is going to offer less power to the charging circuit than your wired charger. I love just placing it on the charger when I get home and not futzing with the USB cable... I understand wanting to get the most life out of the battery though, every bit counts.
I've been using wireless charging on my G2 since getting it last year. No issues with the battery.
Just got the turbo and I placed it on my original moto x dock from griffin and it fits perfect
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Wireless charging uses extra power because 20% is lost as heat. This heat is also not good for the life span of a lithium polymer battery... Especially when it's non removable...
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The heat generated from the wireless charging is far from enough to damage anything. don't mislead others please. Besides, you go for a run with the phone and the heat generated from your body or if it's outside and the sun beating on it is more than what Qi charging would do under normal circumstances.
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Wireless charging shouldn't get any hotter than the CPU or the cellular radio when they are working hard. The heat is a byproduct of the induction process in the coils of the receiver, not the battery itself. Typically shortening the battery life due to heat is from charging or discharging at a high a rate. The wireless charger is going to offer less power to the charging circuit than your wired charger. I love just placing it on the charger when I get home and not futzing with the USB cable... I understand wanting to get the most life out of the battery though, every bit counts.
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Same here, I've been using my Tylt charger for my Note 3 and have had no issues. I typically leave it over night as I set it on the charger before bed. Haven't had any issues, besides the slower charging rate is better for the cells. I would probably take advantage of the QuickCharge if I was on the go and really need to juice up. Otherwise the wireless charging for nightly charging.
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The heat generated from the wireless charging is far from enough to damage anything. don't mislead others please. Besides, you go for a run with the phone and the heat generated from your body or if it's outside and the sun beating on it is more than what Qi charging would do under normal circumstances.
Same here, I've been using my Tylt charger for my Note 3 and have had no issues. I typically leave it over night as I set it on the charger before bed. Haven't had any issues, besides the slower charging rate is better for the cells. I would probably take advantage of the QuickCharge if I was on the go and really need to juice up. Otherwise the wireless charging for nightly charging.
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I'm not misleading anyone. Read more about it at battery university...
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Supposedly... The battery on our Google Nexus 6 has a capacity of 3220 mAh.
Specs
BATTERY Non-removable Li-Po 3220 mAh battery
Stand-by Up to 330 h
Talk time Up to 24 h
I purchased a current, voltage, detection tool http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00NNGK4QS?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00
made by SainSonic.
Okay, I know this isn't a fluke meter quality and standard, but how come when I charge my phone from i.e. 20% battery capacity left, to reach a full charge the Sainsonic USB tool reports back with a supplied mAH of approximately 1500mah to reach a 100% charge.
Are we to assume the battery capacity supplied by motorola for the Nexus 6 phone to be rigged or false? Is this another one of those cases, where your mileage will vary b.s.
I know the USB detection tool is not a Mil Spec device, but, how can it report back this off of factual value or reading?
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OK, so I let the phone on, til the phone did it's own shut down. I even rebooted the phone into Recovery mode, where it eventually powered off, 2x. I know this is bad and not recommended for a battery, but I wanted to try to deplete the battery completely, and using the turbo charger, charge the phone and get a mAH consumption to refill the battery.
From an empty charge to maximum, I recorded 1825mAH. I am unsure, if by TURBO charging the phone, whether I am not registering a true milliamp draw and count. My last test, will take place doing the same thing, but using a standard NON turbo charger to see whether or not this reports a difference or not.
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That meter does say that it's for between 3 and 7 volts which is pretty much saying it's made for a standard 5V usb spec current. The turbo charger uses voltages of 12, 9 and 5 volts to accomplish its faster charging speed and the charging voltage only goes down to 5V once the battery is almost full somewhere like 75% iirc.
Though it also wouldn't surprise me if the turbo charger doesn't turbo charge when running through that meter. Might check and see if the phone charges any slower when you switch to the normal charger test.
While Charging, the USB meter does show it's outputting voltage as well. AND, while charging I do have the phone using an app like Ampere so I do see that it is in fact indicating TURBO mode. But logically, the phone does complete it's charger in under 2 hours, hence it is charging very quickly = same as turbo charging.
1) It is in fact Turbo Charging. 2) The outputting voltage, even though is variable (from 5 to 9 volts in the case of Turbo Charging) would only relate to varying the mAH per / Sec if you will, from a quicker or slower "Consumption" (i.o.w. if it is quick charging, the rate of supplied mAH is faster than slow charging, so the total amount or capacity of charge is the same, it is just a matter of how quickly can you refill the empty bucket of water, with water).
I am using the Pure Nexus Project Nexus 6 Rom, flashed with the latest Radio, and I am extremely happy and very stable build (so much so, I even sent beans some props and thank$you donation). What I am disappointed with (even with previous roms and build from 5 all the way to 6) is the battery capacity (I loved the Turbo Charging so much, I did away with carrying a battery bank and purchased a 2nd Turbo Charger for the office). I did not purchase the phone new, but did get it in an almost new state (purchased from the typical, "I got to dump this just came out phone and get the latest released phone" type of tech junkie). FWIW, it is the 64gb model, and about 6 months old (I have the google bill showing the manufacturing date and sell date). I can't say I am impressed with the overall battery capacity of this phone, but it is designed to get me through a day 90% of the time, so I am never really worry free, it simply not a tank like some other monster phones that I have had (I like smartphones with a minimum of 6" of screen, my previous phone was the Samsung Galaxy Mega 6.3).
I will be honest, I have always been a battery junkie from my days as a Radiocomm R&D department tech, so I have a carryover Battery Analyzer (5K $ piece of bench equipment) that I can use for most of my battery related equipment (from battery powered yard tools, commercial grade walky talkies to household products like cordless home phones). But things like cellphones would not work, because I do not have the correct adaptor that has the correct resistance type, delta voltages, and connect-ability. In most cases if I jerry rig something (like I was curious to know what the capacity of an Energizer D size battery was compared to a Duracel D size Alkaline Battery capacity was, I could read the output mAH capacity from either battery and know which does really last longer) I can get the output capacity but cannot perform a 3x count battery analysis (which basically performs a full charge discharge 3 times in a row and spits out the 3 capacities back) which in fact I would NOT do on a Lithium battery for obvious reasons.