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Hi guys,
I had a Galaxy S3 that died (suddent death problem) and I don't want another samsung device. I really liked the One and I need some help choosing the right one.
I liked the Black version a lot and I would like to get one. AT&T uses the same bands that we have here in Brazil and could work here fine. But I would also have to sim unlock it and to unlock the bootloader (for root acess). Additionally, I don't know that are the differences (hardware and software wise) from the AT&T version and the direct HTC version.
Since I will be using her ein Brazil, with no warrant, I will install a custom ROM.
The other option would be ordering the Silver HTC version direclty from HTC Shop online. I will save on tax (I think that HTC doesn't charge tax to ship the phone to California) will get a sim unlocked phone and it will be easier to boot unlock it.
So what do you guys suggest?
BTW: Do you know if I can buy the One AT&T version, in a store without a US address (can be AT&T store or Best Buy)? Of course I'll be buy it with no plan, but I don't know if AT&T would sell it for someone that doesn't have a US address.
Thanks
PS: Do you know if AT&T sells one month pre-paid voice and data plan? Instead of using my own Brazilian number, and paying for international roamming I want to get a one month voice and data plan to use while on my vacation.
Not too sure about the AT&T ones and the bands that are used in Brazil, but I can confirm that black units chip quite easily. There's lots of reports of the colour coming off after some use. My gf's black HTC One already has some parts at the top chip off revealing the silver underneath after less than 2 weeks use, all the while being carried in a leather pouch.
ArmedandDangerous said:
Not too sure about the AT&T ones and the bands that are used in Brazil, but I can confirm that black units chip quite easily. There's lots of reports of the colour coming off after some use. My gf's black HTC One already has some parts at the top chip off revealing the silver underneath after less than 2 weeks use, all the while being carried in a leather pouch.
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Yeah.. All my previous phones were AT&T version (except for the S3 - I got the International Version) and they all worked fine here. So the AT&T version is second only to the HTC International version.
Didn't know about the chip problem. I always use Skinomi screen and body protector, but even the chip could be a problem in the future.
And how about the Camera glass breaking problem? Does anyone knows if the new units still suffering from this issue?
Dandarebr said:
Yeah.. All my previous phones were AT&T version (except for the S3 - I got the International Version) and they all worked fine here. So the AT&T version is the best choice after the HTC International version.
Didn't know about the chip problem. I always use Skinomi screen and body protector, but even the chip could be a problem in the future.
And how about the Camera glass breaking problem? Does anyone knows if the new units still suffering from this issue?
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I haven't actually seen a broken camera lens, and have not seen any reports of it on any local forums as well (we have a thread for HTC One that is like 3000 pages long now lol). Could be very isolated issues
And do you have any information about Sim Unlock and Bootloader unlock for the AT&T version?
Dandarebr said:
Hi guys,
I had a Galaxy S3 that died (suddent death problem) and I don't want another samsung device. I really liked the One and I need some help choosing the right one.
I liked the Black version a lot and I would like to get one. AT&T uses the same bands that we have here in Brazil and could work here fine. But I would also have to sim unlock it and to unlock the bootloader (for root acess). Additionally, I don't know that are the differences (hardware and software wise) from the AT&T version and the direct HTC version.
Since I will be using her ein Brazil, with no warrant, I will install a custom ROM.
The other option would be ordering the Silver HTC version direclty from HTC Shop online. I will save on tax (I think that HTC doesn't charge tax to ship the phone to California) will get a sim unlocked phone and it will be easier to boot unlock it.
So what do you guys suggest?
BTW: Do you know if I can buy the One AT&T version, in a store without a US address (can be AT&T store or Best Buy)? Of course I'll be buy it with no plan, but I don't know if AT&T would sell it for someone that doesn't have a US address.
Thanks
PS: Do you know if AT&T sells one month pre-paid voice and data plan? Instead of using my own Brazilian number, and paying for international roamming I want to get a one month voice and data plan to use while on my vacation.
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I had an order in with LetsTalk shipping to CA, and they did charge sales tax.
Now that the awesome Moto X is available on T Mobile, I plan to buy one and get it unlocked to use internationally. However, I would like to know if there is any way I could pick one up from a brick and mortar TMo store or the only option I have is to order online and have it shipped to me?
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Now that the awesome Moto X is available on T Mobile, I plan to buy one and get it unlocked to use internationally. However, I would like to know if there is any way I could pick one up from a brick and mortar TMo store or the only option I have is to order online and have it shipped to me?
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I believe you can pick up the non-Moto Maker one at a corporate store (if they're anything like Verizon), but if you want Moto Maker, you have to get it shipped to you. The non-Moto Maker only comes in either Black front, Black weave back or White front, White weave back. If you want any of the customization you have to get it shipped to you.
meant2live218 said:
I believe you can pick up the non-Moto Maker one at a corporate store (if they're anything like Verizon), but if you want Moto Maker, you have to get it shipped to you. The non-Moto Maker only comes in either Black front, Black weave back or White front, White weave back. If you want any of the customization you have to get it shipped to you.
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Yeah, dont really care about the moto maker stuff (even though its really cool). I much prefer having a base black to which I can add skins, so that I can peel them away when I get bored.
Can someone confirm if Moto Xs are available in T-Mo stores?
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Yeah, dont really care about the moto maker stuff (even though its really cool). I much prefer having a base black to which I can add skins, so that I can peel them away when I get bored.
Can someone confirm if Moto Xs are available in T-Mo stores?
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Why not just call your local store and ask.
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anirudh412 said:
Yeah, dont really care about the moto maker stuff (even though its really cool). I much prefer having a base black to which I can add skins, so that I can peel them away when I get bored.
Can someone confirm if Moto Xs are available in T-Mo stores?
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No, unfortunately T-Mobile is the only carrier that isn't carrying the Moto X in store.
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linuxgator said:
Why not just call your local store and ask.
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Out of country right now
they aren't carrying them in store.
i don tthink t-mobile really is "selling" this phone per se. like they sell the nexus 5 in store. but this phone is more like. well you can get sim cards at t-mobile and it will support the bands and thats it.
as far as t-mobile corporate cares this phone is probaby the same as you buying a european or asian market GSM phone.
when i go into "my tmobile" it cant even detect what phone it is, as they dont even have the IMEI list just like any foreign phone.
Which stores (apart from TMo) carry them? Just looking to get a black one
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Which stores (apart from TMo) carry them? Just looking to get a black one
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You can get it from ATT local store which is also gsm carrier and then get it unlocked to use it abroad. Also it will have the ugly carrier logo on the back of the device.
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kirdroid said:
You can get it from ATT local store which is also gsm carrier and then get it unlocked to use it abroad. Also it will have the ugly carrier logo on the back of the device.
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How do I get it unlocked? There are people on local craigslist selling their AT&T phones for around 380. Can I buy that and use an unlock service? Has any one tried one before?
As far as the carrier logo goes, I plan to use a skin anyway. The only thing I would be sacrificing would be the locked BL.
TIA
anirudh412 said:
How do I get it unlocked? There are people on local craigslist selling their AT&T phones for around 380. Can I buy that and use an unlock service? Has any one tried one before?
As far as the carrier logo goes, I plan to use a skin anyway. The only thing I would be sacrificing would be the locked BL.
TIA
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Lots of places online sell unlock codes so that is fine.
Carrier logo can rub off with rubbing alcohol. Friend of mine did it and looks perfect
Tmobile version is Sim unlock .
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I am getting ready to order a couple of X's for my wife and me. I have a couple of questions....
We are with at&t. Is there a difference between the at&t branded ones and the GSM dev models? I have Googled this, but I am still confused as to whether there are hardware differences which would make the dev model less useful on at&t and whether there is bloat on the at&t model....
We have a SG4 and an iPhone 5 which still under contract which we will keep as spares for the family. I assume that we can buy the X at&t branded through Moto Maker without a contract? and just stay on the plan?
Thank you. I have spent hours on this and I am still confused, probably because it keeps changing....
I would like to know to. I'm getting ready to buy a moto x also
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AlbertoM said:
I am getting ready to order a couple of X's for my wife and me. I have a couple of questions....
We are with at&t. Is there a difference between the at&t branded ones and the GSM dev models? I have Googled this, but I am still confused as to whether there are hardware differences which would make the dev model less useful on at&t and whether there is bloat on the at&t model....
We have a SG4 and an iPhone 5 which still under contract which we will keep as spares for the family. I assume that we can buy the X at&t branded through Moto Maker without a contract? and just stay on the plan?
Thank you. I have spent hours on this and I am still confused, probably because it keeps changing....
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the developer edition are unlocked and u can unlock ur bootloader without losing ur warranty
being unlocked u can use with other carriers
if u buy at&t u can use only with at&t
if u want a phone that u can use with gsm carriers and with other carriers take or a developer edition or a unlockable one without contract
I got the T-Mobile unlockable (and unbranded!) version from Motomaker off-contract. Works great on AT&T and it beat paying the extra dough for a developer edition, since it's practically the same damn thing! (I also don't care about voiding warranty having unlocked my bootloader. I take care of my phone. If warranty is something you desire, then go dev edition or stick with your current carrier's version).
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I got the T-Mobile unlockable (and unbranded!) version from Motomaker off-contract. Works great on AT&T and it beat paying the extra dough for a developer edition, since it's practically the same damn thing! (I also don't care about voiding warranty having unlocked my bootloader. I take care of my phone. If warranty is something you desire, then go dev edition or stick with your current carrier's version).
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I'm pretty sure the developer edition is the same price as the moto maker version so it won't cost any "extra dough." And it doesn't matter how well you care for your phone. That's not what a warranty is for. It covers failures NOT caused by the user. You could wrap your phone in bubble wrap, never flash a third party app, and only use it under tightly controlled environmental conditions, insuring the phone is never exposed to any abuse, and a part could still fail, thus necessitating the use of the warranty. Which you voided by unlocking the boot loader on a non-developer edition.
You can pick either the AT&T branded one, the T-Mobile variant, or the unlocked. The T-mobile is actually unbranded, SIM unlocked and has no carrier apps.
I'm in the same boat still in contract with AT&T and purchased the T-Mobile one to leave my options open to switch to T-Mobile later and be able to purchase SIM cards for use abroad without having to fight the death star to get an unlock code.
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I'm pretty sure the developer edition is the same price as the moto maker version so it won't cost any "extra dough." And it doesn't matter how well you care for your phone. That's not what a warranty is for. It covers failures NOT caused by the user. You could wrap your phone in bubble wrap, never flash a third party app, and only use it under tightly controlled environmental conditions, insuring the phone is never exposed to any abuse, and a part could still fail, thus necessitating the use of the warranty. Which you voided by unlocking the boot loader on a non-developer edition.
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If I could've bought the developer version easily I certainly would have.
But to me...I'll risk the 400 bucks to unlock..root..etc. I have on every device I've owned. LOL. I need my customization, battery life control..etc etc.
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Buy the unlocked one. Works just fine with att. I'm in the middle of my contract and just had to go to a store and pick up a new sim
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i think it is a good mob
so if you get it feed us back
So my Verizon S3 is getting long in the tooth. I have unlimited data (and they will have to pry this from my cold dead hands) so the Moto X seems like a great phone not to mention the off contract pricing.
My question is do I go with the DE or not? I rooted my S3 and enjoyed a basic rom but really loved having wifi tethering more than anything else. I wouldnt necessarily want to root the regular x since it has great software going for it already. Plus I would like to customize the phone as well and with the DE you can't right?
Just seeing what some peoples opinions are and why they made the decision to get the phone they did and if you would do it differently. Also, do you think the phone will go on sale again soon? I know the edu discount is running but its currently only $10 off the regular price. I have to figure that soon they will try and purge these with the supposed replacement coming end of summer. Just wondering if anyone has any inside info
If you want tethering, buy a DE. Or buy a used retail version that hasn't been updated to 4.4.2 but that would mean giving up on any updates/OTAs until a root method is found for 4.4.2 and above. Or a used retail/MotoMaker version with an unlocked bootloader which I highly doubt people would be willing to give up.
What leads you to believe that you can't modify a DE? That's the only version that will ensure you'll always have root.
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If you want tethering, buy a DE. Or buy a used retail version that hasn't been updated to 4.4.2 but that would mean giving up on any updates/OTAs until a root method is found for 4.4.2 and above. Or a used retail/MotoMaker version with an unlocked bootloader which I highly doubt people would be willing to give up.
What leads you to believe that you can't modify a DE? That's the only version that will ensure you'll always have root.
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Sorry if that came out wrong. I meant customizing as in MotoMaker customizing. I believe the DE's only come in white/black woven correct? No options for wood backs, accents, etct?
npompei said:
Sorry if that came out wrong. I meant customizing as in MotoMaker customizing. I believe the DE's only come in white/black woven correct? No options for wood backs, accents, etct?
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Correct. The DE version comes only as black front, woven white back, and silver accents (camera ring, and buttons), with 32 Gig, and an unlockable bootloader. Don't like the colors? You can do something like get a dbrand skin, or use a case.
If you want to tether on an unlimited data plan, you need to root and disable write protection.
If you want to ROOT and disable write protection, get a DE. Unlocking its bootloader is easy (codes are available directly from Moto), doesn't void the warranty, disables write protection, and ensures you can root any android version/ROM moto and vzw push.
On Verizon, the Retail and Moto Maker X has a locked bootloader that can't be unlocked (unless by some miracle that person selling via the Chinese web site should ever get out of hot water and start selling the codes again). The exploits used to Root and Disable Write Protection on Android 4.4 and lower for the X with locked bootloader have been patched/blocked with 4.4.2. So if you have 4.4.2 on your phone you can't root, and write protection can not be disabled (meaning any changes you could make should you root, would be lost at power off/on). If you have 4.4, the processes are more complex to perform, then you must block any OTA if you want to keep root and write protection disabled.
If you are on an unlimited data plan, you'll need to buy at full retail price anyway. So, it comes down to a $50 price difference between a 32gig Moto Maker and Developer Edition (based on today's prices). Moto Maker you can customize the looks, but will have locked bootloader that you can't root if you have 4.4.2, or want 4.4.2 or future roms. Where as the Developer Edition at might not look the way you want, but you can root, flash custom roms, etc. no matter what rom is on your phone. And of course the root/disable write protect process is way easier on a Dev Edition too.
Personally, Dev Edition + case is my choice.
When I got my X, the Dev Edition was the only 32gig option available for Verizon. Having unlimited data and wanting to tether, I knew I wanted to root. So even though there was a MUCH bigger price difference then ($649.99 for the Dev Edition), I got the dev edition. I do NOT regret my decision.
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If you want tethering, buy a DE. Or buy a used retail version that hasn't been updated to 4.4.2 but that would mean giving up on any updates/OTAs until a root method is found for 4.4.2 and above. Or a used retail/MotoMaker version with an unlocked bootloader which I highly doubt people would be willing to give up.
What leads you to believe that you can't modify a DE? That's the only version that will ensure you'll always have root.
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KidJoe said:
Correct. The DE version comes only as black front, woven white back, and silver accents (camera ring, and buttons), with 32 Gig, and an unlockable bootloader. Don't like the colors? You can do something like get a dbrand skin, or use a case.
If you want to tether on an unlimited data plan, you need to root and disable write protection.
If you want to ROOT and disable write protection, get a DE. Unlocking its bootloader is easy (codes are available directly from Moto), doesn't void the warranty, disables write protection, and ensures you can root any android version/ROM moto and vzw push.
On Verizon, the Retail and Moto Maker X has a locked bootloader that can't be unlocked (unless by some miracle that person selling via the Chinese web site should ever get out of hot water and start selling the codes again). The exploits used to Root and Disable Write Protection on Android 4.4 and lower for the X with locked bootloader have been patched/blocked with 4.4.2. So if you have 4.4.2 on your phone you can't root, and write protection can not be disabled (meaning any changes you could make should you root, would be lost at power off/on). If you have 4.4, the processes are more complex to perform, then you must block any OTA if you want to keep root and write protection disabled.
If you are on an unlimited data plan, you'll need to buy at full retail price anyway. So, it comes down to a $50 price difference between a 32gig Moto Maker and Developer Edition (based on today's prices). Moto Maker you can customize the looks, but will have locked bootloader that you can't root if you have 4.4.2, or want 4.4.2 or future roms. Where as the Developer Edition at might not look the way you want, but you can root, flash custom roms, etc. no matter what rom is on your phone. And of course the root/disable write protect process is way easier on a Dev Edition too.
Personally, Dev Edition + case is my choice.
When I got my X, the Dev Edition was the only 32gig option available for Verizon. Having unlimited data and wanting to tether, I knew I wanted to root. So even though there was a MUCH bigger price difference then ($649.99 for the Dev Edition), I got the dev edition. I do NOT regret my decision.
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You sir have made my decision! Thank you! I never wanted the look of a phone to matter but the motomaker changed my mind! haha. But if I want certain things and since the price is so close I might as well go with the DE. Thanks guys!
I would also recommend getting DE. I have retail and lucked out getting an unlock code from the Chinese middleman, but that's no longer possible. I also have unlimited data and if I were in your shoes, I would get the DE. Yes, it sucks they won't let you customize it (WHY THE HELL NOT?!) but if you want guaranteed root and unlock, go DE. Plus, DE gets 32GB
motoxone said:
I would also recommend getting DE. I have retail and lucked out getting an unlock code from the Chinese middleman, but that's no longer possible. I also have unlimited data and if I were in your shoes, I would get the DE. Yes, it sucks they won't let you customize it (WHY THE HELL NOT?!) but if you want guaranteed root and unlock, go DE. Plus, DE gets 32GB
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I agree about the (WHY THE HELL NOT?!) question? Makes no sense except maybe it helps the idiot Verizon employees know the difference! haha. But yeah sounds like the DE is the way to go. Now just wondering when the next sale will be so the DE will drop below $400!
There are some videos and people selling different backs.
I'm a lucky MotoMaker version that got unlocked. If the DE edition had just been plain black or white I would have chose it though.
DE for sure. MotoMaker is overrated in my opinion and the DE will have a better resale value down the line. Plus the ease of mind of always having easy root.
npompei said:
I know the edu discount is running but its currently only $10 off the regular price. I have to figure that soon they will try and purge these with the supposed replacement coming end of summer. Just wondering if anyone has any inside info
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edu discount gave me $60 off. Ordered tuesday....
If someone needs an EDU discount code, PM me....I've got one I didn't use.
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Was really considering the phone, but Telus sells the 16GB one. And I am not sure how they will cripple Moto's fast updates. Any Canadian owners, leave your thoughts. I am better off going with the Pure Version?
The only thing telus has done with their moto x is the branding in the status bar and a shortcut to the mytelus account Web app
I don't expect them to take long for other updates.
Mine didn't even come with the Telus MyAccount app at all? It seems like there's actually nothing here (locked phone aside)
The "My Telus" app is in the play store. There really isn't anything on the phone that should delay the update. Part of telus' marketing for this phone has been something along these lines: Pure Style, pure performance with the fastest updates. Im expecting to get the update at the same time as the pure edition or maybe after a few days of network testing.
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You can actually remove the TELUS branding in status bar form network settings if you want.
Telus
According to the model number XT1097 the telus model is sold in a number of countries. There really isn't any carrier specific software on this phone. Only place telus is shown is in the APN settings.
Coming from the Galaxy S4 which was also 16gb I really like this phone. It doesn't have a SD card but I didn't really use the SD card I had in the S4 other than for music.
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According to the model number XT1097 the telus model is sold in a number of countries. There really isn't any carrier specific software on this phone. Only place telus is shown is in the APN settings.
Coming from the Galaxy S4 which was also 16gb I really like this phone. It doesn't have a SD card but I didn't really use the SD card I had in the S4 other than for music.
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Do you think it is worth it for me to buy the pure edition or the Telus one?
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Do you think it is worth it for me to buy the pure edition or the Telus one?
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If money is no object then the pure edition might be something to look at provided your going to go to a 32gb phone. So far my understanding between the XT1097 and the pure edition is only storage capacity difference and unlocked boot loader but I did read in the development section that someone with a XT1097 used the same method to unlock his boot loader on the Telus model which means it only comes down to having extra storage. If anyone knows of other differences please tell us.
The other way to decide is look at your current phone and if you still have enough storage capacity on it then the Telus one should work for you.
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If money is no object then the pure edition might be something to look at provided your going to go to a 32gb phone. So far my understanding between the XT1097 and the pure edition is only storage capacity difference and unlocked boot loader but I did read in the development section that someone with a XT1097 used the same method to unlock his boot loader on the Telus model which means it only comes down to having extra storage. If anyone knows of other differences please tell us.
The other way to decide is look at your current phone and if you still have enough storage capacity on it then the Telus one should work for you.
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ah ok thanks! I am thinking of getting the Pure, but I forgot us Canucks cannot buy it
I'd love to know if the Telus version can be unlocked, I've been holding off on buying it because of this.
snoopstah said:
I'd love to know if the Telus version can be unlocked, I've been holding off on buying it because of this.
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I was wondering the same thing. Though I might wait a bit for Black Friday as Moto usually offers a discount on their phones around that time, or around Christmas. The only issue is that us Canadians will have to go over the boarder to pick it up.
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I was wondering the same thing. Though I might wait a bit for Black Friday as Moto usually offers a discount on their phones around that time, or around Christmas. The only issue is that us Canadians will have to go over the boarder to pick it up.
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Yeah, I have the bamboo edition from telus unlocked. Hopefully waiting for 5.0 Lollipop.
aznturtle100 said:
Yeah, I have the bamboo edition from telus unlocked. Hopefully waiting for 5.0 Lollipop.
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You unlocked the phone, or it came unlocked from Telus? And how much did it cost you after taxes?
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You unlocked the phone, or it came unlocked from Telus? And how much did it cost you after taxes?
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I bought the phone from telus then unlocked it. I cost me about 690$ after tax (quebec tax).
Its a good choice
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If money is no object then the pure edition might be something to look at provided your going to go to a 32gb phone. So far my understanding between the XT1097 and the pure edition is only storage capacity difference and unlocked boot loader but I did read in the development section that someone with a XT1097 used the same method to unlock his boot loader on the Telus model which means it only comes down to having extra storage. If anyone knows of other differences please tell us.
The other way to decide is look at your current phone and if you still have enough storage capacity on it then the Telus one should work for you.
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I have been on ios for the last 5 years or so, bought the telus bamboo yesterday and i have already unlocked and rooted. The forum for me as a new android user was pretty strait forward and easy to comprehend and the pure method did indeed do the trick on my xt1097. If you are still undecided, i would recommend it and can testify to the effectiveness of the pure method as well as its ease.
With not a whole lot of convincing, I talked them into an additional incentive on a 2 yr so I not only didn't pay for it, but ended up with a negative balance on my bill. hehe
Hope that helps.
Does anyone know when is the end of the Telus exclusivity period?
snoopstah said:
I'd love to know if the Telus version can be unlocked, I've been holding off on buying it because of this.
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Yes it do unlocked. and in cheap way. i got mine unlocked from http://phoneunlockingshop.ca
torawnto said:
I have been on ios for the last 5 years or so, bought the telus bamboo yesterday and i have already unlocked and rooted. The forum for me as a new android user was pretty strait forward and easy to comprehend and the pure method did indeed do the trick on my xt1097. If you are still undecided, i would recommend it and can testify to the effectiveness of the pure method as well as its ease.
With not a whole lot of convincing, I talked them into an additional incentive on a 2 yr so I not only didn't pay for it, but ended up with a negative balance on my bill. hehe
Hope that helps.
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how did you do it? i cant get any methods to work