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[Q] How to unlock phone to use abroad?

Hi.
I'm going abroad on Jan 1 for 12 months and want to get the GSM version Moto X to bring it with me, but I don't know if this can be done.
The options are AT&T and T-Mobile. AT&T requires 6 months usage before they unlock, and T-Mobile requires 40 days, of which the last 7 must be in the US. So these are not options.
I then read about various "unlock" services online, but don't know how reliable these are. What are the odds they can unlock my phone, either AT&T or T-Mobile? This link: http: //www .technobuffalo.com/2013/11/14/att-unlock-changes-putting-resellers-out-of-business/ for example claims that there was a change just 1-2 months ago so that it's virtually impossible to unlock AT&T for 3rd parties now. If I buy this phone, I need to be almost 100% certain it's possible to unlock it, or it's not worth taking the risk.
Finally, would it be possible to unlock the phone by rooting it? I understand the bootloader for the T-Mobile version can be unlocked, but have no idea if, and if so how, this helps me.
Thanks in advance.

mxx2 said:
Hi.
I'm going abroad on Jan 1 for 12 months and want to get the GSM version Moto X to bring it with me, but I don't know if this can be done.
The options are AT&T and T-Mobile. AT&T requires 6 months usage before they unlock, and T-Mobile requires 40 days, of which the last 7 must be in the US. So these are not options.
I then read about various "unlock" services online, but don't know how reliable these are. What are the odds they can unlock my phone, either AT&T or T-Mobile? This link: http: //www .technobuffalo.com/2013/11/14/att-unlock-changes-putting-resellers-out-of-business/ for example claims that there was a change just 1-2 months ago so that it's virtually impossible to unlock AT&T for 3rd parties now. If I buy this phone, I need to be almost 100% certain it's possible to unlock it, or it's not worth taking the risk.
Finally, would it be possible to unlock the phone by rooting it? I understand the bootloader for the T-Mobile version can be unlocked, but have no idea if, and if so how, this helps me.
Thanks in advance.
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Many including me have unlocked their phones. I myself had the AT&T model. Sites such as cellunlocker, unlockcode247 get you the code within a couple of days 99% of the time. The 6 months/ 40 days usage only applies if you talk to the carrier CS for the code.
If you dont want to go that route, you could always get the T-Mobile version. Comes SIM unlocked OOTB. So does the DEV Ed.
Rooting does not unlock your phone. Unlocking the BL comes handy if you do a lot of flashing.

I know this doesn't answer your question (since the post above mine does) but the Nexus 5 and Moto G are two nice smartphones that come unlocked. N5 will run you 349, Moto G 179. No contract, unlocked. I prefer the Moto X, but if you want a 100% guarantee, buy an unlocked phone.

anirudh412 said:
Many including me have unlocked their phones. I myself had the AT&T model. Sites such as cellunlocker, unlockcode247 get you the code within a couple of days 99% of the time. The 6 months/ 40 days usage only applies if you talk to the carrier CS for the code.
If you dont want to go that route, you could always get the T-Mobile version. Comes SIM unlocked OOTB. So does the DEV Ed.
Rooting does not unlock your phone. Unlocking the BL comes handy if you do a lot of flashing.
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Thanks anirudh!
Are you saying that the T-Mobile Moto X without contract is NOT SIM locked to T-Mobile? It would be fantastic if that's the case. Is there an official source? I checked with Motorola a few days ago, and they told me that whatever phone I buy will be SIM locked to the operator, but they might be incorrect?
(Also, when did you unlock your AT&T phone? The article I linked says it became considerably more difficult/impossible just last month, which made me worried.)

BaconDrips said:
the Nexus 5 and Moto G are two nice smartphones that come unlocked. N5 will run you 349, Moto G 179. No contract, unlocked. I prefer the Moto X, but if you want a 100% guarantee, buy an unlocked phone.
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Thanks Bacon. Yeah, I'll fall back to the Nexus 5 if the Moto X doesn't work out.

mxx2 said:
Thanks anirudh!
Are you saying that the T-Mobile Moto X without contract is NOT SIM locked to T-Mobile? It would be fantastic if that's the case. Is there an official source? I checked with Motorola a few days ago, and they told me that whatever phone I buy will be SIM locked to the operator, but they might be incorrect?
(Also, when did you unlock your AT&T phone? The article I linked says it became considerably more difficult/impossible just last month, which made me worried.)
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mxx2 said:
Thanks Bacon. Yeah, I'll fall back to the Nexus 5 if the Moto X doesn't work out.
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Moto X WILL work out. Even though the N5 is a great phone, I hate the 'bigger is better' race we have going on today. Phones like watches are tools. They go everywhere you do. The X is so much more handy than the N5. Removing the Nav Bar and using LMT makes it even better. This is EXACTLY the phone I was looking to get for so many years.
As for unlocking, I got mine unlocked a week ago. So did plenty of others. There are several threads in the Q&A/ General section on this. If however, you dont want to go that route, get the Dev Edition which comes unlocked. Also the T-Mobile edition. And dont base your decision based on what the CS says. There dont know squat about the X. They told me theres no way T-Mobile BL can be unlocked.

mxx2 said:
Thanks anirudh!
Are you saying that the T-Mobile Moto X without contract is NOT SIM locked to T-Mobile? It would be fantastic if that's the case. Is there an official source? I checked with Motorola a few days ago, and they told me that whatever phone I buy will be SIM locked to the operator, but they might be incorrect?
(Also, when did you unlock your AT&T phone? The article I linked says it became considerably more difficult/impossible just last month, which made me worried.)
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AFAIK, the Verizon and T-Mobile versions are SIM unlocked. The system version for the T-Mobile version is ghost_row.retail (not ghost_att.ATT or ghost_verizon.Verizon), so there's actually no carrier in the the system version. So, the T-Mobile variant is just a retail version of the phone that has all of the available US GSM bands unlocked. Obviously, some carrier specific LTE bands may not be available, like Verizon's upper 700MHz band 13. It does support AT&T's lower 700MHz band 17 LTE, and of course T-Mobile, Verizon's AWS band 4 LTE though.

[Q] Off contract still has carrier branding?

Do all off contract moto xs still have carrier branding? I dont find it pointless but why have the carrier branding when you specifically bought off contract to be away from the carrier for a reason. Its not as big of a deal as say on other devices like an lg g2 but i still would like to not have verizon on my phone. Anyway to not have it?

My understanding is that only the T Mobile version is provided without carrier branding.

And sprint.

And Rogers
Sent from my Moto X cell phone telephone...

I understand if I buy a phone, in store, off the shelf that it'll have the carrier branding. But with Motomaker, there is no reason to have it on a custom one when you buy it out right.
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I am with you 100%. I just bought my Moto X last night under the impression that it's not locked to any carrier. And that it's unlocked. However, I find out this morning after talking to customer support that the phone is locked to AT&T. I thought high of Motorola before but they are flat out liars. When they posted the promotion on their website for Cyber Monday, it clearly said "Unlocked Moto X" phone for $349; discounted $150 for Cyber Monday.

The number of phones sold off contract is so insignificant that the cost to change the production to not print on them probably wouldn't be worth the added cost. Sure, for phones like the Developer Edition that can only be purchased off-contract, I could see an argument, but they aren't going to change their product for 1% of their sales.

somebody posted a pic of the VZW dev. edition with the VZW logo AND the Dev. edition printing remved from the back of the phone. IIRC, the buyer scraped it off with a scissors.
I may do the same to the VZW logo on my DE.

So no way a sprint moto x would work on verizon would it? Both CDMA and sprint is bootloader unlocked and therefore could you flash vzw dev edition roms on it? i really dont want that verizon logo haha

It was posted 349 off contract for any carrier. There was no sign of saying it's unlocked. U must have read it wrong.
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I think what really annoys me too is that when im buying off contract im expecting it not to be carrier tied or i would have boughten it ON contract. So for verizon i personally just dont want that bloat wear or any of that junk. Guess theres no option?

I hate to be that guy, but... Does it really matter? I don't care for Verizon's logo either, but it doesn't look horrible. It's subtle.

Unlock Bootloader After Switching Carriers?

So, I'm assuming the whole bootloader unlocking process has less to do with the carrier itself and more with the software different carriers actually use on the phone. However, I was wondering if there was a possibility for me to unlock my AT&T MOTO X bootloader if I switch carriers. I'm moving to Europe in about a week and we are discontinuing our AT&T service and unlocking phones to move to a European carrier. Will this allow the possibility to unlock my bootloader? This is probably a stupid question but I was really wondering how it works. I'm not exchanging phone models or anything, I'm keeping the XT1058.
Edit: I won't be on a contract. I'll be using Italian pay-as-you-go services.
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The carrier you are using has nothing to do with the bootloader. Since you have an at&t xt1058, your only option to unlock is the China middleman.
Good luck
Edit: the xt1058 is also Sim locked to at&t so you will need to sim-unlock it to use it on another carrier. This service is available from several online merchants.
Sim unlock and bootloader are two different things. You probably already knew that, but wanted to be sure.

samwathegreat said:
The carrier you are using has nothing to do with the bootloader. Since you have an at&t xt1058, your only option to unlock is the China middleman.
Good luck
Edit: the xt1058 is also Sim locked to at&t so you will need to sim-unlock it to use it on another carrier. This service is available from several online merchants.
Sim unlock and bootloader are two different things. You probably already knew that, but wanted to be sure.
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I feared as much. I just got the phone about 6 hours ago and I can still return it for a small restocking fee. I will call tomorrow and see if any stores carry the Developer Edition. I also understand the difference between SIM and Bootloader unlock. Thanks for the swift reply, it cleared everything up for me. I have searched about the Chinese Middleman and apparently his services have been discontinued?
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Neighbor808 said:
I feared as much. I just got the phone about 6 hours ago and I can still return it for a small restocking fee. I will call tomorrow and see if any stores carry the Developer Edition. I also understand the difference between SIM and Bootloader unlock. Thanks for the swift reply, it cleared everything up for me. I have searched about the Chinese Middleman and apparently his services have been discontinued?
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Find the thread titled "China middleman back". He is available, but can only unlock devices with a 2014 manufacture date (with a few exceptions).
AFAIK, the Developer Editions are only available direct from Motorola. You can also buy the "GSM Unlocked" T-Mobile variant. It comes bootloader-unlockable (straight from Moto's website), AND sim-unlocked for any carrier.
The GSM Unlocked "T-Mobile" variant is identical in every way to the GSM Developer edition, EXCEPT that your warranty is void when you unlock the bootloader. The Dev Edition retains warranty, even after being unlocked. Both of them use the same exact ROM, and neither have any carrier branding or 'bloatware'.
Hope this helps.

samwathegreat said:
Find the thread titled "China middleman back". He is available, but can only unlock devices with a 2014 manufacture date (with a few exceptions).
AFAIK, the Developer Editions are only available direct from Motorola. You can also buy the "GSM Unlocked" T-Mobile variant. It comes bootloader-unlockable (straight from Moto's website), AND sim-unlocked for any carrier.
The GSM Unlocked "T-Mobile" variant is identical in every way to the GSM Developer edition, EXCEPT that your warranty is void when you unlock the bootloader. The Dev Edition retains warranty, even after being unlocked. Both of them use the same exact ROM, and neither have any carrier branding or 'bloatware'.
Hope this helps.
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Damn, that's bad news for me. The Moto X was virtually a free upgrade for me through AT&T, so getting the Dev Edition through Motorola, I expect I'd have to pay full price regardless. I guess that isn't an option. I looked into that thread and I'm considering purchasing a code, but there is a pretty large possibility I'll just exchange for a different phone and avoid any costs. Its really too bad, I really liked this phone. Should've done my research. Thanks a lot for all the help.

Neighbor808 said:
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Damn, that's bad news for me. The Moto X was virtually a free upgrade for me through AT&T, so getting the Dev Edition through Motorola, I expect I'd have to pay full price regardless. I guess that isn't an option. I looked into that thread and I'm considering purchasing a code, but there is a pretty large possibility I'll just exchange for a different phone and avoid any costs. Its really too bad, I really liked this phone. Should've done my research. Thanks a lot for all the help.
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Just one last heads-up:
The XT1058 supports 2 extra LTE bands that the XT1053 (Dev edition OR T-Mobile variant) do not. It is better optimized for use overseas since it supports nearly all the bands used overseas. The Dev / T-Mobile variants DO support one extra UMTS band (AWS band - for HSPA/HSPA+) that is used almost exclusively by T-Mobile.
If you ARE able to get a BL unlock code, your 1058 will be better suited for you to use overseas. SIM-Unlock shouldn't be hard at all, and the codes are very cheap.
So for $45 (BL Unlock) + $10-$15 to SIM-Unlock, you will end up with a device that will work better than the DEV edition will.
See here for a list of supported frequency bands: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X
If you can successfully unlock, you'll be in great shape.....and if you don't, well you will get refunded and then you might consider returning the XT1058....
If you got the phone virtually free, you won't be out much.
Just out of curiosity: If AT&T subsidized your 'upgrade', and you plan to leave them and switch to an overseas carrier, how are you getting out of paying an early termination fee??

samwathegreat said:
Just one last heads-up:
The XT1058 supports 2 extra LTE bands that the XT1053 (Dev edition OR T-Mobile variant) do not. It is better optimized for use overseas since it supports nearly all the bands used overseas. The Dev / T-Mobile variants DO support one extra UMTS band (AWS band - for HSPA/HSPA+) that is used almost exclusively by T-Mobile.
If you ARE able to get a BL unlock code, your 1058 will be better suited for you to use overseas. SIM-Unlock shouldn't be hard at all, and the codes are very cheap.
So for $45 (BL Unlock) + $10-$15 to SIM-Unlock, you will end up with a device that will work better than the DEV edition will.
See here for a list of supported frequency bands: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X
If you can successfully unlock, you'll be in great shape.....and if you don't, well you will get refunded and then you might consider returning the XT1058....
If you got the phone virtually free, you won't be out much.
Just out of curiosity: If AT&T subsidized your 'upgrade', and you plan to leave them and switch to an overseas carrier, how are you getting out of paying an early termination fee??
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You've rekindled my hopes a fair bit. I was just afraid if my code from the middleman didn't work I'd be out $45. Maybe I will give it a try. I love this phone so much even after just a day. I guess the price would be worth it. As for the whole overseas switching and fee payment, my father is in the military. We are being stationed overseas per military orders, so AT&T is basically waiving the fees. We get upgrades and get out of the contract a little under a year early with virtually no repercussions, which is great. In the end, as much as I desire an unlocked bootloader, I may just keep the phone regardless of whether I can unlock or not. It is really amazing and Im not sure if I'd be happy with another phone I can get through AT&T. If only I could upgrade to Nexus 5 through AT&T, I don't really like Samsung or HTC.
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Yo what about the XT1056?

dmonleo said:
Yo what about the XT1056?
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I'm really not sure what you are asking... "Yo what about the XT1056"???
The XT1056 is SIM-Locked to Sprint. If you are a current Sprint customer, and meet certain criteria, sprint will "OTA-Unlock" your XT1056 for international use ONLY. XT1056 cannot be used domestically on any U.S. GSM carrier, even with "OTA-Unlock". Additionally, with the XT1056 you cannot "buy" a SIM-Unlock code from an online merchant. The ONLY way to unlock is through Sprint, and only if you are a current customer and meet other criteria, and even then, it's international GSM use only.

Your phone is brand new, and it was free. See what you can get on swappa for it, and pick up a mint-ish XT1053. No point in paying money to return your phone in my opinion. I was only out another $80 or so doing just that, but I got a bootloader unlock and twice the storage space!
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That Ain't Falco!!! said:
Your phone is brand new, and it was free. See what you can get on swappa for it, and pick up a mint-ish XT1053. No point in paying money to return your phone in my opinion. I was only out another $80 or so doing just that, but I got a bootloader unlock and twice the storage space!
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Yeah, that's an incredibly smart route to take. Unfortunately, I'm leaving the states too soon to do any deals on swappa. Pie root and Xposed Framework is good enough for the time being I suppose.
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maybe someone can explain why unlocked ist really unlocked......xt1096

So, BF came and I shot me a verizon unlocked xt1096 somewhat foolishly expecting that unlocked means fully unlocked.....means I can do with it what I want.
Not getting gang raped like the Apple crowd.
But it seems like I was wrong. After some days of just playing around with the new phone and still using my Note2 (rooted) I went ahead and made the full switch........
and got kicked in the balls when I realized that some of my beloved progs won't work because, the thing has a locked bootloader (wtf??) and can't be rooted (another wtf).
Now, I really wonder why this is, since I paid for the phone in full that I can not do with it what I want.
Maybe I am stupid (easily possible) but I don't get this. Can someone please explain why this is that way?
Thanks
K

probably stupid.

Verizon sells SIM unlocked devices. What you want is bootloader unlocked which is only possible on the pure edition devices which only work on At&t or T-Mobile in the states.

Caveat emptor.

Unlocked sim is not the same as unlocked bootloader........ two very different things

You have a logic error there. I bought it from Motorola NOT Verizon. So why does Verzion have control over a piece of equipment I bought from somewhere else?
Just because they "allow" me to pay them for their services?

TigerDNA said:
Unlocked sim is not the same as unlocked bootloader........ two very different things
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Again, just follow my way of thought please. I buy from Motorola. Full price. And still Verizon has me by the balls? Please explain why.

hungarian said:
..... still Verizon has me by the balls.....
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That pretty much sums it up.

mbkintner said:
That pretty much sums it up.
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I am growing pretty tired about that kind of BS in this country. Maybe I was to cradled by consumer protection laws in Europe, but I seriously doubt that kind of BS would fly in Europe.
I had a oneplus one and sold it because Tmobile didnt cover me....... I was with Verizon for 4 years under contract. SO I thought this way I get a better deal......
I really don't understand why Motorola plays that kind of ****.

hungarian said:
I am growing pretty tired about that kind of BS in this country. Maybe I was to cradled by consumer protection laws in Europe, but I seriously doubt that kind of BS would fly in Europe.
I had a oneplus one and sold it because Tmobile didnt cover me....... I was with Verizon for 4 years under contract. SO I thought this way I get a better deal......
I really don't understand why Motorola plays that kind of ****.
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Yes, you were coddled by EU laws, welcome to freedom bro. The ONLY way to get a better deal with Verizon is to never have any form of contact with them, don't even make eye contact with the stores when you pass. :good:

You entered into a voluntary contract and should have read the conditions before signing.

You know, if my clients would be ok with smoke signals and emails, I would....but damn...sometimes those bad people want to talk to me.....

chrisrozon said:
You entered into a voluntary contract and should have read the conditions before signing.
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What do you mean? I should have asked Motorola if they lock the bootloader in the name of the all so mighty overlord Verizon?
Sorry, but I think if I buy a factory unlocked phone, I should receive a unlocked phone. A phine that is free of the antics and bs of Verizon.
Thats why I opted out of my contract and went with a prepaid solution. Where I bring my own phone.
What nerves me most here, is that everyone takes the dry as* screwing like it is normal that you get drilled up the backside high and dry.
Where is the outcry? Is really everyone so commercially ironed out and conformed that we can be handled like money suppliers that bring their cash anyway?
Please don't answer, I really fear to hear many "yes" or even worse, if you don't like it go back to Europe.

I don't see what the problem is. Your money speaks your opinion. Cancel your service with verizon and switch to T-Mobile or at&t where you can use a PE. Or buy a nexus 6 (which can be unlocked on Verizon). The web has a vast amount of info on any phone you ever plan on buying.

you are overseeing one crucial point. I bought the phone from Motorola. NOT from Verizon. I bought it outside of a contract. I bought it unlocked.
And still Verizon has power over a phone they shouldn't have.
The problem with other providers around here is, that they don't have coverage......

hungarian said:
you are overseeing one crucial point. I bought the phone from Motorola. NOT from Verizon. I bought it outside of a contract. I bought it unlocked.
And still Verizon has power over a phone they shouldn't have.
The problem with other providers around here is, that they don't have coverage......
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You still bought a Verizon branded phone. Verizon doesn't care about whether or not you are on contract, what they care about is that you are on their network. They want to have full control of every device that's on their network, plain and simple. I understand your frustration but it's not like a precedent is being set here- this is how it's always been. Not trying to drive salt in the wound here but had you done your due diligence and researched prior to purchase, you could have avoided this little surprise. As I said, this is nothing new, unfortunately.
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hungarian said:
you are overseeing one crucial point. I bought the phone from Motorola. NOT from Verizon. I bought it outside of a contract. I bought it unlocked.
And still Verizon has power over a phone they shouldn't have.
The problem with other providers around here is, that they don't have coverage......
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When you buy a Verizon-branded phone from Best Buy do you still wonder why Verizon's software is on it? You didn't buy it from Verizon, you bought it from Best Buy!

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hungarian said:
What do you mean? I should have asked Motorola if they lock the bootloader in the name of the all so mighty overlord Verizon?
Sorry, but I think if I buy a factory unlocked phone, I should receive a unlocked phone. A phine that is free of the antics and bs of Verizon.
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As far as I know, it is impossible to buy any variant of the Moto X 2014 that comes with an unlocked bootloader. Secondly, Motorola only marketed the Pure Edition Moto X (GSM) as being bloat-free. Motorola (or any other manufacturer for that matter) will never sell a CDMA phone that is not carrier-branded as all of the major CDMA carriers will only activate their own carrier-branded phones.

sorry but your statement is void. I bought from the maker. Not a reseller.

who else hate his moto X 2014 ATT Version?

damn i hate this phone.... really regret about buying it... stupid att with his locked bootloader... cant upgrade to lollipop.

love my 2014 att moto x. yes i want to upgrade. but it is stable and working fine for me.
i have lollipop on my nexus 7 fhd. whoopty whoop. really not a big deal. seriously.

Is is the best phone that I have ever owned? No absolutely not, the battery is pretty miserable, but other than that a few other small niggles, it is a good handset.
In fact it's signal reception and its ability to cancel out detuning on the fly is pretty impressive and make me pretty impressed in that Geeky sort of way with the phone.
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So you're mad because you bought a subsidized phone with a locked bootloader instead of the unsubsidized Pure Edition with an unlocked bootloader that already has Lollipop available? What am I missing here?

jeffy210 said:
So you're mad because you bought a subsidized phone with a locked bootloader instead of the unsubsidized Pure Edition with an unlocked bootloader that already has Lollipop available? What am I missing here?
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Your not missing anything. He is pissed because he chose to not buy a pure edition( or couldn't afford one) hell, I'm still paying for mine with moto's financing.

I actually did the same thing. Both Moto's financing and the AT&T Next plan are basically 0% interest loans for a set number of months for the unsubsidized price. Knowing that, I went with Moto instead as that left my Next upgrade available should I not like this phone and want to return it and get another one. At the end of the day, both are the same price, divided by the same number of months, but I was able to get a Pure edition in the process. Now had you gone for the standard 2-year agreement, that's something else entirely.

jeffy210 said:
So you're mad because you bought a subsidized phone with a locked bootloader instead of the unsubsidized Pure Edition with an unlocked bootloader that already has Lollipop available? What am I missing here?
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i dont live in usa.... i had to buy it from internet (ebay to be exactly)...
and for my luck it happens to be the ATT version.... i always have had motorola devices (moto g, moto x) and all can be unlocked bootloader... didnt know branded ones couldnt.

yunior597 said:
i dont live in usa.... i had to buy it from internet (ebay to be exactly)...
and for my luck it happens to be the ATT version.... i always have had motorola devices (moto g, moto x) and all can be unlocked bootloader... didnt know branded ones couldnt.
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Caveat emptor. You bought a phone without doing the proper research. You have nobody to blame but yourself.