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[Q] When 4g comes out for Captivate will we have to get new phones?

Can we just flash the LTE Modem or will we have to get new phones?

our phones do not have the required hardware to go 4g. i could be wrong but i doubt it. but who cares, by the time at&t actually gets a real 4g, we should all be ready to upgrade.

LTE and HSPA are different. As long as HSPA is pushed then we can go to the max of the phones hardware.
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Another amazing post. They walk among us.

Was your old EDGE speed phone capable of getting 3G speeds? X-(
Of course ypur going to need a new phone with a 4G sim card.
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What are the max speeds on HSDPA/HSUPA? And just how much are we going to miss?
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Miami if you're not going to be helpful in Q/A then why post?
For 3G/4G you need to talk tech not blanket terms it would be easier to know what exactly you are asking.
HSPA+ LTE are the competeing tech one being a new tech (LTE) and one being an advancement of current tech (HSPA+).
Captivates can do um 7M using HSPA (double check gsm arena or the wiki or the manual for the numbers) so any upgrade to the network the device will top out at the max speed the device can support.
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Max speeds for HSPA are theoretical. TMO said they would push it up to and over the 50M level while currently upgrades to networks have it at 14-21M though because of the way it works you will not get those speeds real world.
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groves226 said:
Miami if you're not going to be helpful in Q/A then why post?
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Just pointing out the obvious.

Thrill ICS 4G ???

We now have 4G lte service in my area. Well at least on my wife's Samsung Galaxy III. After updating my Thrill to ICS I now have a 4G symbol but I definitely do not have 4G performance. Are these phones capable of true 4G LTE or is it only AT&T HSPA+?
I'm rooted so I can make some manual tweaks if necessary. I noticed a throttle value in the settings.db. What should that value be for the best performance?
Thanks

Reading an old review of the phone on a site,it said the thrill 4g was not a true lte phone. Not sure if it's the hardware or the software. Good luck! What are you getting from speed test app?
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Yeah.. I did some digging and it's not a LTE capable phone. I was hoping it was software based. AT&T official response was. It's a 4G phone that's not capable of 4G speeds. ??? Figure that one out..
My speed:
4 down and almost 1 up. Latency and jitter are 218 and 70ms. This seems to have gotten worse since the tower went to 4G.
My wifes phone:
18 down and 10 up. I expect this to get throttled at some point. Seems too good to be true. Her latency and jitter on the other hand is 70 and 12ms. Thought this should be better.

Here is mine
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pete3000 said:
Here is mine
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that is some impressive data speed i swear i only hit that high once

miketamm said:
We now have 4G lte service in my area. Well at least on my wife's Samsung Galaxy III. After updating my Thrill to ICS I now have a 4G symbol but I definitely do not have 4G performance. Are these phones capable of true 4G LTE or is it only AT&T HSPA+?
I'm rooted so I can make some manual tweaks if necessary. I noticed a throttle value in the settings.db. What should that value be for the best performance?
Thanks
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What you're getting is 4G HSPA+, I've only heard it be rumoured that the Thrill is capable of 4G LTE. Only in specific areas though.
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What's that weather icon in the Status Bar?
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the weather icon is the the Wunderground app. i use it because it uses several weather station around my rural area to give me temps rather then interpolate from the bigger cities.

Look up the specs online for lg thrill. It only has an hspa+ radio in it. Think 24+ no LTE.
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I hit this on XBSAVR3D based on Rogers V30C. Using the V30C baseband I hit almost 9mb down and almost 2mb up! That being said we can't get 4G, and that pretty lil 4G icon they put on our V30B update looks cool but its just eye candy full of lies. ATT said the Thrill is a 4G phone incapable of 4G speeds Didn't think that one through to well did they. Such crap.:thumbdown:
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I'm upgrading to a HTC One. The thrill has lost its thrill.

The thrill is a 4G phone. Just not 4G LTE. It uses HSPA+ which is a sorta 4G. Its a lot faster then 3G but not as fast as LTE.
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I had one of the guys in my office run a Speed test on their newer phones hitting 12mb/sec with their LTE (spiked at 14mb). Honestly , i pay for 6Mbit at home. my phone is still faster.

Talk and surf.

I was definitely able to talk and surf the web simultaneously on my gs3 but I cannot on my HTC one. Wtf. Does anyone have this problem
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CDMA does not allow for simultaneous voice and data. The GS3 and the Evo 4G LTE and a few others were able to do so only because Qualcomm made something special for them... But for the 600 it does not work sadly. 4G + voice works though. You'll get 4G soon enough :\

jmcioc said:
I was definitely able to talk and surf the web simultaneously on my gs3 but I cannot on my HTC one. Wtf. Does anyone have this problem
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Are you on 4G LTE when trying this?

My one works. But I am in a lte coverage area
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Yep, if on 3g you won't be able to navigate and surf. I'm on a 4g lte area as well so I don't have this problem.
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jmcioc said:
I was definitely able to talk and surf the web simultaneously on my gs3 but I cannot on my HTC one. Wtf. Does anyone have this problem
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The S3 and EVO 4G LTE used the Qualcomm MSM8960 which allowed simultaneous Data and Talk via SVDO. This was as mentioned unique to the MSM8960 SoC and is no longer integrated into any Qualcomm SoC and therefore is not available and will not be available on Sprint phones going forward. This has been discussed elsewhere.
You can talk when connected to 4G and Wifi.

raptoro07 said:
The S3 and EVO 4G LTE used the Qualcomm MSM8960 which allowed simultaneous Data and Talk via SVDO. This was as mentioned unique to the MSM8960 SoC and is no longer integrated into any Qualcomm SoC and therefore is not available and will not be available on Sprint phones going forward. This has been discussed elsewhere.
You can talk when connected to 4G and Wifi.
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Well that makes that chip awesome. I don't know why they wouldn't further implement that feature. Oh well I probably won't be getting 4g for a while (officially). Does sgs4 support this or do you need 4g nowadays.
btw thanks everyone for the responses.

jmcioc said:
Well that makes that chip awesome. I don't know why they wouldn't further implement that feature. Oh well I probably won't be getting 4g for a while (officially). Does sgs4 support this or do you need 4g nowadays.
btw thanks everyone for the responses.
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Sprint has said there will not be anymore SVDO phones. I think the idea is LTE for Data and CDMA for voice. Maybe eventually Voice over LTE?

Verizon 4g lte on Sprint!?

I know this doesn't sound possible hell I Dont believe it myself but I am in LittleRock Arkansas where Sprint has NO 4g, I'm up here at work bored so I flash the 1000 Verizon prl, I unlock my SIM card (don't think that mattered , I didn't put a SIM card in). I forced roaming on my phone and I about had a heart attack when the 4g showed in my notification bar!! I thought it may be wrong but I ran some speed test with and without it. The catch is I lost voice. How is this possible?
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When u get it again go to the 4g settings it should tell u some info
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Highly doubt it... Verizon is operating LTE on 700 mhz (the latest article I saw was that in 2015 they will plan to shift some EVDO to LTE on 1900). The Sprint HTC One only supports LTE on 1900.
Just because Sprint hasn't officially announced LTE in that area doesn't mean they haven't been doing the update. They have a ton of location that have spotty (and even complete) LTE coverage that aren't even officially on the LTE list.

The n.ispsn is something new also.
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numus said:
Just because Sprint hasn't officially announced LTE in that area doesn't mean they haven't been doing the update. They have a ton of location that have spotty (and even complete) LTE coverage that aren't even officially on the LTE list.
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If this is in fact true, how come I can't get it on Sprint PRL?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies
4G Verizon Wireless 700 MHz, 1700/2100 MHz (Planned)
It is physically impossible for the Sprint HTC One to use Verizon LTE... The Sprint HTC One doesn't even have a radio chip for 700 mhz, let alone LTE on 800 mhz.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ummer-start-selling-aws-friendly-phones-soon/
Verizon currently operates its LTE network exclusively on Band 13 (in the 700MHz range), a band it controls nationwide.
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http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/verizon-device-support-aws-lte-approved-fcc/2013-01-03
Verizon has indicated it plans to use AWS spectrum to augment its existing LTE network, which runs on its 700 MHz spectrum.
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nsmartinez79 said:
If this is in fact true, how come I can't get it on Sprint PRL?
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i have the same thing on my phone and my prl is 55015
you are connecting to sprint 4g

Come on man....yes ive tried it. I only get 3g when on Spring's PRL. It's also strange that I lost voice when forced roaming.
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Congratulations sir you work now has 4G : )))

insuusvenerati said:
Congratulations sir you work now has 4G : )))
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Lol! Look I'm not saying it's undoubtedly Verizon's 4g, I'm just saying that normally I Dont get 4G even when forcing roam. I flash the modded Verizon Prl still no 4g. I force roaming and boom 4g and no voice.
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I've played with some different PRL's some allow 4g, some don't. But on all the ones that allows it I can't download apps from the app store. Updating my profile loses 4g until the reboot.
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nsmartinez79 said:
Lol! Look I'm not saying it's undoubtedly Verizon's 4g, I'm just saying that normally I Dont get 4G even when forcing roam. I flash the modded Verizon Prl still no 4g. I force roaming and boom 4g and no voice.
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Can you link me to that PRL? I'll give it a shot. Sprint has no 4G here so it will be a good test.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1267893
It's the 0001 prl
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nsmartinez79 said:
I've played with some different PRL's some allow 4g, some don't. But on all the ones that allows it I can't download apps from the app store. Updating my profile loses 4g until the reboot.
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Force roaming causing 4G detection isn't anything new, actually. If you put the device into LTE mode only, it achieves something similar. The device would much rather stay on Sprint service if at all possible and will take a weak LTE signal if it can (even if it would normally prefer a nearby Sprint tower providing 3G coverage).
The speeds you've posted are in-line with a Sprint 4G test/slow rollout and would frankly be rather laughable on Verizon's 4G network-- if we get around the obvious hurtle that it is not physically possible for your phone to pick up Verizon's LTE, full stop.
Eliminate what's impossible (by hardware) and we have a series of at least possible alternatives.

nsmartinez79 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1267893
It's the 0001 prl
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Oh, *that* one. I used to use it all the time until it stopped giving me Verizon 3G. Now all I get with it is 1x. I would try it, but I'm running 4.3 now and don't want to nandroid back to a Sense ROM just to confirm that it's not working.

nsmartinez79 said:
Lol! Look I'm not saying it's undoubtedly Verizon's 4g, I'm just saying that normally I Dont get 4G even when forcing roam. I flash the modded Verizon Prl still no 4g. I force roaming and boom 4g and no voice.
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Sprint 4G on initial release in an area or an a tower is very wonky. It's off and on, slow and only works at a short range. Just be patient and you will get it really soon. They just activated it in a couple areas where I live also. They tend to put them near Sprint Corp stores.

Rirere said:
The speeds you've posted are in-line with a Sprint 4G test/slow rollout and would frankly be rather laughable on Verizon's 4G network-- if we get around the obvious hurtle that it is not physically possible for your phone to pick up Verizon's LTE, full stop.
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It's probably Sprint I just can't [email protected]$king believe it. As impossible as my theory sounded, I thought it was more probable than Sprint bringing 4g to Arkansas. Here are some more speeds. I honestly don't know how they compare to Verizon's, I just wanted to show I got some consistent 9-10 range before it went to ****...
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nsmartinez79 said:
It's probably Sprint I just can't [email protected]$king believe it. As impossible as my theory sounded, I thought it was more probable than Sprint bringing 4g to Arkansas. Here are some more speeds. I honestly don't know how they compare to Verizon's, I just wanted to show I got some consistent 9-10 range before it went to ****...
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Why is it unbelievable that Sprint is bringing 4g to Arkansas... They HAVE TO do the NV update on every single tower that broadcasts Sprint Signal. It is cheap as dirt to just add the LTE hardware into the NV station once the NV upgrade is completed. This is a nation wide requirement since they are about to do some wonky ass things on the 1900 MHz PCS bands (when they start to reallocate their allowed bandwidth to different techs, it is an across the board FCC license).

I'm from Arkansas too and have been keeping up with the 4G there because that's where I travel to every chance I get. Jonesboro has sprint lte and it's been planned for little rock and Fayetteville to get it for months. It was only a matter of which day. I'm surprised it took them this long. But it was expected. I'm so happy to hear this wonderful news
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Missing sprint phones about now.

The service is amazing over here at Verizon.. Data speeds are significantly better in every way.. Having LTE in the middle of a lake in Idaho is a plus.. But damn the locked bootloader and all the bs rootblocking updates. They put a huge setback on erytang.. Even with the $154,8658,000,000 bounty. Just thought I'd let you guys know I was thinking about ya
Flashaway my old friends.
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Cool story Bro
Love the 90s good times

Kind of feel like this is a waste of a thread and space. Since it doesn't contribute to the community.
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I think it does add to the community. I'm sure there are lots of folks wondering if the grass is greener. Nice to have some real users of both services tell us the good AND bad.

jejb said:
I think it does add to the community. I'm sure there are lots of folks wondering if the grass is greener. Nice to have some real users of both services tell us the good AND bad.
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Yeah but all he said was Verizon has better signal and speeds which is. common knowledge to most of us. And that Verizon blocks bootloaders, while sprint doesn't.
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Nothing wrong with this. It's good to know the pros and cons.
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daniel4653 said:
Yeah but all he said was Verizon has better signal and speeds which is. common knowledge to most of us. And that Verizon blocks bootloaders, while sprint doesn't.
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I didn't realize Verizon blocked boot loaders, so good to know.

I'm happy with my data speeds and coverage on Sprint. 40-60mbs is nothing to laugh at. Not many places I find don't have LTE anymore. Fast updates and no locked anything is a huge plus. Spring will be seeing many more Verizon customers in the coming months. S4/Note 3/S5 all locked from here out will bring more over.
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eskomo said:
I'm happy with my data speeds and coverage on Sprint. 40-60mbs is nothing to laugh at. Not many places I find don't have LTE anymore. Fast updates and no locked anything is a huge plus. Spring will be seeing many more Verizon customers in the coming months. S4/Note 3/S5 all locked from here out will bring more over.
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Then you're lucky, because there are still TONS of places that don't have LTE, including major cities. I was in Denver a few weeks ago and still had to make do with 3G just like I do at home. Also, 40-60 mbs is unheard of, even on Verizon and AT&T. My home wifi isn't even that fast. If that figure is even remotely accurate, you're definitely a (very) rare exception rather than the rule.
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eskomo said:
I'm happy with my data speeds and coverage on Sprint. 40-60mbs is nothing to laugh at. Not many places I find don't have LTE anymore. Fast updates and no locked anything is a huge plus. Spring will be seeing many more Verizon customers in the coming months. S4/Note 3/S5 all locked from here out will bring more over.
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That HAS to be a typo....

Joe0113 said:
That HAS to be a typo....
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Either a typo or BS. If anyone is actually getting those kinds of speeds on ANY mobile network in the US (let alone Sprint), I'll eat my own face.
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maxpower7 said:
Either a typo or BS. If anyone is actually getting those kinds of speeds on ANY mobile network in the US (let alone Sprint), I'll eat my own face.
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My boss routinely pulls 40-45Mbps downloads on his Verizon GNEX at work (Cleveland, TN)

bavarianblessed said:
My boss routinely pulls 40-45Mbps downloads on his Verizon GNEX at work (Cleveland, TN)
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As I pointed out earlier, that is very much the exception and not the rule. Also, you'll never get speeds like that on Sprint LTE.
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As I pointed out earlier, that is very much the exception and not the rule. Also, you'll never get speeds like that on Sprint LTE.
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You also said you would eat your face if anyone got those speeds on ANY network, let alone Sprint. I'm just saying it happens
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My boss routinely pulls 40-45Mbps downloads on his Verizon GNEX at work (Cleveland, TN)
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Maybe burst speed, but not steady speed.
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My wife has vzw note 2. Here in indiana we have equal lte coverage but vzw speeds is usually 3-4 down. My sprint phone always whips vzw here. Dont dog Sprint. I avg 10-20 down and hit 30-40 down alot. This is all from our single band only phones. The only edge vzw has is lte building Penetration. All will be solved with tri band lte devices.
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Idk OP, my service and bandwidth on Sprint's LTE is pretty solid, speaking as a recent convert from Verizon.
Ohh, I remember the good ol' days before Verizon lost their way. I was a Verizon customer during the release of the OG Motorola Droid, and that phone was like a development catalyst. I discovered xda thanks to that phone's development following. Everything I came to love about customizing kernels and roms came from that phone. ****, I remember what now seems like an ancient version of CyanogenMod for that OG Droid. I remember that phone out of the box was underclocked of all things, from 550Mhz down to 450 which made overclocking that thing to a meaty 1ish Ghz seem so beastly at the time lol!
Ahhhh good times :good:

Decent Sprint LTE speeds in College Park, MD
I get decent speeds (15-23 Mb down, 7-10 Mb up) on Sprint in College Park MD according to Speedtest.

Won't the speeds for the Sprint LTE towers drop for an individual once more people start utilizing it? I suspect some people are getting very high speeds because not a lot of Sprint users are tapping into the LTE bandwidth yet?

d-res said:
I remember that phone out of the box was underclocked of all things, from 550Mhz down to 450 which made overclocking that thing to a meaty 1ish Ghz seem so beastly at the time lol!
Ahhhh good times :good:
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Close - it was a 600 mhz CPU underclocked to 550 mhz. I remember there were kernels that could overclock the thing all the way to 1.3 ghz. I've still never used another phone that could be overclocked that far past the native clock speed (by percentage, at least). Good times.
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