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How Does Kingo Root Work?

I personally will not be using Kingo root, unless they come out with a safe version, due to concerns about it sending my IMEI to unprotected servers. But, it does show that there is a way to root MJ5, so if we can find out how Kingo works couldn't we easily package together a new file that works just as well without the security concerns? Is there any way to do this?
I don't know much about the programming side, but would grabbing a logcat or something similar during the root process with Kingo give us an idea?
Thanks guys, can't wait to get my new Note 3 rooted.

SupremeOverlord777 said:
I personally will not be using Kingo root, unless they come out with a safe version, due to concerns about it sending my IMEI to unprotected servers. But, it does show that there is a way to root MJ5, so if we can find out how Kingo works couldn't we easily package together a new file that works just as well without the security concerns? Is there any way to do this?
I don't know much about the programming side, but would grabbing a logcat or something similar during the root process with Kingo give us an idea?
Thanks guys, can't wait to get my new Note 3 rooted.
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Have you downloaded the Jingo Program to your PC and read the TOS agreement? it states on line 5 that the do not send any data from or about your PC or phone. So if they where to do what you think they do it would violate their own TOS and put them up for a law suit.
I have used it and it is fine.
The worse they can do with your IEMI is put it on a black list and claim it stolen. If they do that, it is easy to dispute as you are the original owner and by law only you can put it on a blacklist.

Solarenemy68 said:
Have you downloaded the Jingo Program to your PC and read the TOS agreement? it states on line 5 that the do not send any data from or about your PC or phone. So if they where to do what you think they do it would violate their own TOS and put them up for a law suit.
I have used it and it is fine.
The worse they can do with your IEMI is put it on a black list and claim it stolen. If they do that, it is easy to dispute as you are the original owner and by law only you can put it on a blacklist.
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I'd rather not support a company/group that not only has serious security issues but also is closed source in a community that I value the openness of. I think its great that its worked for people, but what evidence of malicious behavior (if any) would you expect to see? Best case scenario this all gets cleaned up and it turns out everything is fine, but I'd rather play the safe side on a device that contains all of my personal information.

Yet you know that every app you have installed does not send data somewhere? They don't have to list all the requirements of an app and many don't in the store. So you are just as much at risk installing any app as you are with Kingo. I figure since I have already potentially exposed my phone to apps as well as GOOGLE whom I am sure is more malicious than Kingo, why not give Kingo a try? Besides who in this age of hacking and scamming keeps really personal and sensitive info on a phone? If you do then you deserve to get it stolen honestly..

I used it, works fine!!!, I think these are people mad because Kingo not sharing the way its done...... so what not everyone wants there software reversed engineered, when iphone team jailbreak iphone they dont say how its done.... I can understand kingo point because it they share the idea AT&T will just patch it again... be happy the option is there.... soon as AT&T see the way they will patch it, we dont want that... that will just extend the bootloader cracking time...... I don't think kingo takes the IMEI.... and besides the phone is always online many other apps could have steal the IMEI and you don't even know so that's not even something to be alert to at the moment..... maybe Kingo is Samsung underground..... u never know..... in time they will share it but for now I can understand the risk of the hole been plugged... plus with KNOX AT&T can update your phone blind, using the knox control.... so Kingo is looking at all that.....

Did you guys rooted it on mj5?
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manny18pr said:
Did you guys rooted it on mj5?
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Yes it works fine on MJ5 on the 900A.

it worked for me too
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Towel Pie Root file virus scan

Would like to be cleared up on exactly what this red is, thanks

@iKrYpToNiTe

Many Android exploit, root and hack type programs will report as viruses. It's nothing new. To those virus scanning programs, they show as potentially dangerous files cause of what they can do to a system.... And technically they are correct.
I wouldn't be concerned, unless it's reporting files you have never heard of, or things you've downloaded somewhere. The stuff you typically find on XDA has been tested and used by many and have no ill effects.
Bottom line with stuff like this in particular is... If you are unsure or don't feel safe... Don't use them. Not much else you can do. ?

This is an exploit. Of course it will be considered malicious... It gains superuser privileges.
That is of course, the desired outcome...

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This is an exploit. Of course it will be considered malicious... It gains superuser privileges.
That is of course, the desired outcome...
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off/on topic - do virus builders/coders/etc., run antivirus? do they just build everything in a sandbox? i'm only half-kidding here, but isn't virus building a bit Manhattan Project / Portable Meth Lab?

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Would like to be cleared up on exactly what this red is, thanks
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Wow smh! It uses a freaking exploit to gain root access, WTH did you think a virus scanner would report??? Also did you not notice each of those reds say TowelRoot or Towelexploit not Towel Pie Root???? That's because Towel Root is an EXPLOIT duuuuhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! Now please put your palm to your face thanks!
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off/on topic - do virus builders/coders/etc., run antivirus? do they just build everything in a sandbox? i'm only half-kidding here, but isn't virus building a bit Manhattan Project / Portable Meth Lab?
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I don't know about others, but I actually started out coding viruses back in the day for the purpose of testing how good antivirus's were. That's why I run Malwarebytes I was able to bypass all antivirus's but Malwarebytes was always the hardest so I stuck with them. I built everything on a separate pc you never use your main rig for testing.

I appreciate the professionalism.. backing up.. now I see the reason its free of charge.. attitude when it comes to honest questions the common man doesnt know the answer to. Your work is appreciated, sarcastic reply is not

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I appreciate the professionalism.. backing up.. now I see the reason its free of charge.. attitude when it comes to honest questions the common man doesnt know the answer to. Your work is appreciated, sarcastic reply is not
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Professionalism? This isn't a business environment, I'm the most professional person you will meet from 8 to 5 after that I throw it to wind. The reason it's free of charge is because I don't feel it's right to ask for money for what I do for fun on the side. That being said I'm a straight forward person I don't sugar coat anything. If you didn't know that a root exploit is technically a virus in a sense, then I don't know what to say besides what I said in my previous comment. My reply was sarcastic because I had to omit all of the curse words I originally wrote, trust me I would have left them in if it wasn't against XDA's rules.

iKrYpToNiTe said:
Professionalism? This isn't a business environment, I'm the most professional person you will meet from 8 to 5 after that I throw it to wind. The reason it's free of charge is because I don't feel it's right to ask for money for what I do for fun on the side. That being said I'm a straight forward person I don't sugar coat anything. If you didn't know that a root exploit is technically a virus in a sense, then I don't know what to say besides what I said in my previous comment. My reply was sarcastic because I had to omit all of the curse words I originally wrote, trust me I would have left them in if it wasn't against XDA's rules.
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we all get angry... cursing not. depends on how we choose to handle anger. rude is what your response is, a simple question , a simple answer is all thats needed. the professionalism was a joke when i said backing up LOL.. no one would pay an ass for something... no pay no professional
if you posted a considerate polite answer to a question that would be different..

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Should I root

Does rooting provide any protection against malware or does it make it worse?
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Best protection against malware = user.

If you just root, and don't use a custom recovery and custom ROMs, immediately install SuperSU, antivirus, and make sure you protect yourself. SuperSU will at least notify you when an application is trying to use root permissions (aka - modify or access system files) which is not something you want every program doing.
The nice thing about having root is you can change things on your phone a launcher can't touch - boot animation, screen DPI, backup apps like Titanium Backup, and of course clearing out carrier bloatware.
If you do go with a custom recovery, TWRP for example, and flash ROMs, CyanogenMod for example, you are often provided with SuperSU tools and other options as part of the package. Just be very sure you are using images from reputable sources. Lord knows what kind of stuff someone who published a custom ROM could get off your device if they had ill intents.
If you are new to rooting, flashing, etc then I would suggest starting with root access only. Explore what you can do with it, learn it, and be conscious of security as you go. After you are comfortable with it, try CyanogenMod to see how a custom ROM really differs from stock.

Rooting will not give any protection against malware you have to install antivirus or use any app that will help you against this with root

Oh, and to answer the question 'should you root'... We tinker with all the things because we like to. We like knowing how all the things work. We like having more control of all the things. If you don't like this, then don't.

clago87 said:
Does rooting provide any protection against malware or does it make it worse?
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Android is blamed for earning malware for your device but hey! the user of the device is 100% responsible for it. Stop clicking on spammy links and visiting those websites which allow you to earn malware Problem will be solved.
Now rooting. Rooting is the best way to taste your android device at fullest. Use custom ROM, tweak the kernel and much more

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Does rooting provide any protection against malware or does it make it worse?
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I'm not an expert and have found the site to be filled with a lot of great, detailed information including howto instructions if you decide to root. I've rooted a few phones but not the N6 yet. I'm waiting for 5.1 to be available only because I'd rather the OTA download and didn't want it to break root and have to spend a day playing with the phone to get it set up again. Yes, lazy too. My two cents:
There were a few articles back when 5.0 was being released saying how root for this OS would need to bypass much of the built-in security features with this OS version. I don't have a clue if it is true. If I decide to root, I'll go back and see if this is a real problem.
Why root? The exposed framework gives you nice features. Apps can have access to the phone os/hardware that is blocked, for example, you can get the notification LED to work, the battery statistics allow more access so you can see what app is killing your battery. There was one or two other apps I used that required root, can't recall now.
Its easy to say malware is a user problem, some of it is like careless sideloading. But I have no idea if a web page is loading something on my phone. Worse, if you look at the permissions you grant apps, you would load very few on your phone. I find the service providers , like T-Mobile (mine) and Verizion (Fios) to be the worst in asking for access to the phone data for no apparent reason. Does my app to see visual voicemail really need access to my microphone and camera or apps I have loaded on the phone? In my opinion this is spyware as you have no idea what is being uploaded to the app developer. Many of the apps in google play have questionable permission requirements.
That's actually another reason to root, the xposed xprivacy module (haven't used it). Or, using a DNS that will filter malware web site (I think you need root to change the DNS in Android). I'm not sure about the status of xposed on the nexus 6 so you have to read the threads. I don't know why you want to root, so you have to determine if it is worth the effort.

Simple answer is No.
if you're asking if you should root then you do not know what root is and the benefits to it. if you are happy with the phone and all the apps you have suit your needs, then stay as you are and do not download any dodgy apps from the play store

IINexusII said:
Simple answer is No.
if you're asking if you should root then you do not know what root is and the benefits to it. if you are happy with the phone and all the apps you have suit your needs, then stay as you are and do not download any dodgy apps from the play store
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Couldn't agree more. If you have to ask, the answer is no.

IINexusII said:
Simple answer is No.
if you're asking if you should root then you do not know what root is and the benefits to it.
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Terrible answer! Just because someone doesn't already know something is piss poor justification for telling them not to learn it.
If someone asked the forum if there were any benefits in C#, would you tell them not to bother learning to program, just keep buying Microsoft products?
FFS...

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Terrible answer! Just because someone doesn't already know something is piss poor justification for telling them not to learn it.
If someone asked the forum if there were any benefits in C#, would you tell them not to bother learning to program, just keep buying Microsoft products?
FFS...
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What a terrible response. is root a programming language?

Elnrik said:
Terrible answer! Just because someone doesn't already know something is piss poor justification for telling them not to learn it.
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No, it is the best answer. He is not asking to learn it, he is askign us to make a decision as to whether he should root or not. If he knows the benefits of root, he should make teh decision himself based on the usecase. If he doesn't know the benefits, he should read a sticky thread that lists the benefits. If he doesnt know whether he should root, then he shouldnt because it is not something to um and ahh over.

Rooting in and of itself will have no effect on your getting infected with malware or not. It may affect the degree in which something can muck up your system, because if rooted, that program can get further into the OS than if you were not.
Now, that said, the real meat of it is that if you allow sideloading, that's the one that will let apps install from downloaded files, etc.
Ever notice where they say all the android handsets are getting infected? not here in the US anyways.
If you stick to known downloads and are not trying to get hacked apps, you won't have to worry.
I have to agree with RootSU here, his last paragraph sums it up nicely.

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What a terrible response. is root a programming language?
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Well, I can't resist using your own logic... If you don't know that root isn't a programming language, you shouldn't root. You probably shouldn't even reply to posts. Further, If you can't understand the example I provided, I'm not going to waste my time and explain it. You should just go read the stickies on the benefits of examples, or something. After all, you shouldn't um and ahh over this.
Facetiousness aside, if you read my example you'd see that I in no way called root a programming language. My entire point is that there are better ways to tell someone not to root. If your point to the OP is this: No, you shouldn't root because it can be dangerous, can brick your device, and that you really need to do your homework on it before you just go and do it, then tell them that! Don't condescend to them and/or future readers of the thread that not knowing it is reason enough not to do it ever. It's insulting. At least it is to me. It IS a discouragement, and in IMO, and in the spirit of XDA, we should try to point people in the right direction so they can learn and make them aware of the risks and benefits so they can make informed decisions. Sure, if it's already been covered, post a link to the thread or sticky. No need to rewrite it. But sending the message of "If you don't already know, abandon all hope now" is crap.
If you disagree with me, then I'll agree to disagree with you.
That's the last I'll say about this.
Peace

Elnrik said:
Terrible answer! Just because someone doesn't already know something is piss poor justification for telling them not to learn it.
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I interpreted it to mean that learning more about root and what it might offer/require of a user is probably best before actually rooting and then deciding later on if that's what you really wanted to do. That is, being conservative here is probably not the worst suggestion.
- ooofest

Chainfire and Kingteam going head to head

Looks like kinguser and supersu are going head to head.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61899071&postcount=1277
I sort of agree with kingteam on this, without their hard work there would be no root for a lot of people.
On the other hand they shouldn't force a third party app on to someone's device, but maybe offer it as part of the root process.
Still supersu doesn't block users from changing to another super user app, so they shouldn't neither.
So now we know why Chainfire won't support kinguser in flashfire.

hopefully Kingteam changes their policy about removing their propriety apps. Super-sume wouldn't have been made if it were for Kingteam's policies.

The question is why anyone who offers a rooting method wishes to force the use of their software.

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The question is why anyone who offers a rooting method wishes to force the use of their software.
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Well i think thats obvious. If youve ever spent time and effort developing something you'd understand, its not nice that a developer puts all the effort in and then the glory is taken by another. Its obvious Kingteam put a lot of effort into their root methods and creating the root management for it to just be immediately removed without even trying it. Its actually quite good, i used it for months on my htc m8 to no ill effect.
Itd be a shame if they decided to throw in the towel and discontinue any more development because of it.

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Well i think thats obvious. If youve ever spent time and effort developing something you'd understand, its not nice that a developer puts all the effort in and then the glory is taken by another....
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I don't think this is about glory. I understand your point but ... the whole idea of rooting is to gain control of your device, so prohibiting you from being able to choose what you have running on your device is defeating that purpose and fundamental principle.
Although I'm prepared to accept that their reasons for doing this may not be malicious it does little to encourage trust when they appear this desperate to stop you removing their software especially since it has root access. AFAIK this isn't open source and perhaps a lot of other stuff isn't but we have a basis of trust in most of those cases.
IMHO their strategy should be as any other dev who has gained a reputation, through the right channels (such as Chainfire). It takes time but their efforts and results would speak for itself and they could allay any fears by showing their code is safe. IF they really want people to TRY their software then the route to this is not to create fear and doubt about the integrity of their software but to do the exact opposite and allow people to have peace of mind whilst they give it a bash.
They claim that their reaction to Chainfire et al not responding to their communication has resulted in the denial to the user of the rights to choose what software runs on their devices. This reaction to me is rather childish and does little to persuade the likes of Chainfire or Supersume devs to change their minds.
They (Chainfire / Supersume) may or may not be actively trying to throw this software out or 'bad mouthing it as such', I don't know I've not heard their story but it could just be they are simply maintaining the ethics of user choice in offering to remove something that Kingroot team have deliberately made difficult to do.
On the other hand if they are telling people that Kinguser 'causes conflicts' they should back that up openly and offer the choice to remove purify or not - it is a request I note Kingxteam make and would be valid IMO unless there are good reasons why not. Good reasons would be closed source or why the code may conflict, if no one can verify the software is doing only what it is supposed to (now and in the future) it's a good reason not to have it in your device.
Call me sceptical but what is really in it for them? They aren't gaining any money by you running their software, but they sure act like there is something to gain. They spent a lot of time and effort in finding root solutions but they don't appear to be like other devs who do it for the challenge, or for themselves with a mind to share and who by the way don't try to 'sell' or 'force' their methods on us - you take it or leave it, and we do with thanks and donate or buy their pro versions to show appreciation.
Kingroot (Kingteam) on the other hand appear more like a company to me but who knows. That's the whole point, we don't seem to know a whole lot about their motives and that perhaps creates doubt whether rational or not.
And I agree providing there's nothing nasty in there it would be a shame if they threw in the towel but they are going the wrong way about it to gain people's trust - I'm sure many people would love to try their software and apps provided they don't have any nagging doubts.

You misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't condone the way they are going about things, but I do agree with their reasons. Its wrong that everyone is automatically removing kingroot/kinguser without even trying it.
Like I say I used it for a while and I actually preferred it to supersu, but now that devs like chainfire have prevented the use of kingsu with flashfire and only allows the use of his own or cwm there's no choice but to use supersu.
Now why has chainfire done that? He has basically forced people to use his own app. That's just as bad as what kingteam have done.
Don't get me wrong Chainfire is a stellar dev, but I dont understand that and that's how a lot of this has come about. Many have been converting to supersu to use flashfire. I bet there are loads that would have stuck with kinguser just for simplicity's sake if flashfire worked with it.
They don't prevent the removal of purify, I don't even think it gets installed as a system app, so its no big deal to remove. They shouldn't force install it though, that should be offered as a choice after successful root.
Neither do they prevent removal of kingroot and kinguser, it can all be cleanly removed from within kinguser.
As for being closed source that's no different to chainfires apps. His root solution is closed source and so is flashfire.
Kingteam have been around now for a while and have gained notoriety lately because their root solutions have worked for many. If they had any dishonorable intentions I'm sure it would have come out in the wash by now, but asfaik nothing untoward has happened to anyone.
I'm not protecting them in anyway just understanding their point of view, put it this way how many how have used their root exploit then clicked the link to their XDA thread and thanked them?
Probably not many, credit were credit's due I say.
Hard work deserves some recognition. Maybe I should add the link in my root thread.

Sad that this situation has occurred. I am very appreciative of Kingroot providing a method to root my Tab S without tripping KNOX. Without it I would not have rooted until my warrenty had come close to expiring. Unfortunitely I would have removed Kingroot apps for SuperSU for a few reasons
1) I already paid for SuperSU Pro and use it on my other devices
2) Flashfire providers most of my custom recovery needs which Kingroot does not. There is an argument for Flashfire being decoupled from SuperSU but not the development overhead when you flash an updated firmware ( e.g. B0E2 to B0E3). Flashing an upgrade requires the preservation of the root manager. I want OS updates that automatically preserve root so need Flashfire. Of course I've not mentioned other Flashfire features but I'm trying to stay relevant to the topic.
3) SuperSU's policies have provided methods to work around Samsung's bootloader SELinux enforcement. Without it I would not be able to use Viper4Android and an Ext4 formatted OTG microSD card.
I would have been happy to donate money to Kingroot for their rooting service but to the best of my knowledge they do not have a donate option. I would have only done so through PayPal or the Playstore. That brings me to my hesitation to using rooting methods from sources I do not know. I can say I was hesitant to use Kingroot at all and let others be the guinea pigs. Call me paranoid but I've seen first hand and read everyday the malicious nature of the net. At least Chainfire is a known developer on the Playstore.
In the end what maybe more of a question is the lack of rights that customers who purchased, not rented, their devices have. Why are unlocked bootloaders not a right with root management built in? Where do the manufacturers get off restricting me from doing what the heck I want with my devices? Sure limit my warrenty in some way (e.g. Overclocking burnout) but if hardware becomes faulty independent of rooting why should they be off the hook?
I hope some balance/compromise can be met between these important contributors.
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Its wrong that everyone is automatically removing kingroot/kinguser without even trying it.
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Can you say that? The main reason people do it is because of the doubt and uncertainty of something new. Getting root is one thing and people are grateful for that but running something they are not familiar let alone trust is another.
And of course as for me too this is one of my reasons:
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1) I already paid for SuperSU Pro and use it on my other devices
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.. and I'm used to using it. I should have that choice surely? And his other reasons are good and valid too.
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... devs like chainfire have prevented the use of kingsu with flashfire and only allows the use of his own or cwm there's no choice but to use supersu.
Now why has chainfire done that? He has basically forced people to use his own app. That's just as bad as what kingteam have done.
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I agree and I wish they'd discuss it more. I would like to know what is really going on with all this.
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I bet there are loads that would have stuck with kinguser just for simplicity's sake if flashfire worked with it.
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I'm sure but it's difficult to know how many more would. Some people just want root to get some degree of control. Not all are flashaholics. Doubt and uncertainty are more prevalent here because of the immediate perceived need to remove it as soon as possible.
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Neither do they prevent removal of kingroot and kinguser, it can all be cleanly removed from within kinguser.
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If you don't mind losing root. So it's a pointless exercise and it's a kind of blackmail.
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As for being closed source that's no different to chainfires apps. His root solution is closed source and so is flashfire.
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But as I say there is a basis for trust that doesn't exist with Kingroot ... yet anyway.
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Kingteam have been around now for a while and have gained notoriety lately because their root solutions have worked for many. If they had any dishonorable intentions I'm sure it would have come out in the wash by now, but asfaik nothing untoward has happened to anyone.
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Let's just turn on [paranoia mode] for a moment. They aren't doing anything now perhaps they just want to get as many devices running it then on a future update ..... [/paranoia mode off]
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I would have been happy to donate money to Kingroot for their rooting service but to the best of my knowledge they do not have a donate option. I would have only done so through PayPal or the Playstore. That brings me to my hesitation to using rooting methods from sources I do not know. I can say I was hesitant to use Kingroot at all and let others be the guinea pigs. Call me paranoid but I've seen first hand and read everyday the malicious nature of the net. At least Chainfire is a known developer on the Playstore.
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Exactly the point. Again what is their motivation? What are they getting out of all this furious hard work on multiple devices? I looked at the purify thread - it's a fully responsive engagement of support which is not unlike a company that has a paid product out there and keen to support it for more sales.
Cloud servers, a large (don't know) team of people? Often devs like Chainfire have little time to engage on this level, they are too busy on the product AND with their own lives / jobs. This is not their full time job in most cases.
This psychology isn't unusual. If someone came to you and offered you a free lunch you are going to be suspicious right? The first thing you are going to think of is 'what's in it for them'. Right or wrong this is how we work.
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I'm not protecting them in anyway just understanding their point of view, put it this way how many how have used their root exploit then clicked the link to their XDA thread and thanked them?
Probably not many, credit were credit's due I say.
Hard work deserves some recognition. Maybe I should add the link in my root thread.
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You are right - their threads do have a lot of thanks but perhaps not nearly as many as have used their solution - perhaps because of threads like yours where you provide a solution for a particular device so we don't automatically go to the Kingroot thread and leave our thanks. But bear in mind that the appearance of threads like yours in the first place were to tell people how to get rid of Kinguser after rooting.
Yes put a link and prompt to give thanks to them it's right.
For my part I would like to see some pressure or prompting for both parties to get something sorted out. Kingxteam to stop throwing toys out of the pram and writing restrictive code into their apps and Chainfire et al to come out and discuss their own restrictive policies and explain their concerns.

Welcome to a free world.
Kingroot are free to make their software anyway they want.
Chainfire is free to make his software any way he wants.
You (the user) is free to use one or the other or neither if you want.
If you dislike how kinguser is handeling this situation, but you still want a way to root without tripping knox then, you are free to design and write that code yourself.
Also as for what is in it for the kingxteam remember google, facebook, and quite a few others made products with not very solid monetarization ideas and now they are worth quite a bit. Much of the internet age has been make a product many ppl use and figure out a way to turn a profit afterwords.

Agreed, user choice at the end of the day, we get this same attitude in the HTC forum regarding sunshine s-off.
If you don't like it don't use it or remove it, they don't stop you doing that.
As for the fear factor of using an unknown app, isn't that what millions of people do everyday when installing apps on their device?
The average user never pays any mind to the permissions some of those apps use.
If it works they use it, simple as.
If your happy to let an exploit hack your device and gain high level privileges to it you can't be that concerned with Security otherwise you wouldn't root in the first place.
Too much paranoia going on here me thinks.
Personally I don't give a fig about kingteam planting a time bomb on my device, what's the worst that can happen? Once I get root I can weed out any naughty stuff.
Today's devices are becoming very secure for the average user, but the tinkerers don't like that, so what do the majority do? Root, flash custom kernels, Roms and recoveries and override all that security that's been implemented.
And were worried about a couple of little apps? Come on.

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Welcome to a free world.
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There's always someone who'll come up with the age old saying of 'well if you don't like it don't use it.'
Frankly there's not a lot left to say to such posts and that is probably a good point to leave it.

Well it's quite interesting to read this over a year later and seeing how Kingroot has an app in the play store but I have looked everywhere and it's installed as a system app on my phone, I was actually researching FlashFire hoping to be able to get an OTA update and now I am looking to uninstall KingRoot 5.0.0 to go back to an older version of KingRoot. I would like to be able to switch out KingSU for supersu. But each belongs to each developer.

Can anyone POSSIBLY give any advice to me. Lost here..

I've had the note8 for about 3 months-ish. It's been great, only thing is I am getting SICK of having no control over which apps are doing what in background, (stock stuff spying/sending data home etc).
I was just pushed the oreo update from my carrier and it looks like its slightly slower now, guess this is all part of the planned obsolescence to get us to buy new phones.
The questions for the experts here :
-How difficult/dangerous is it to root note8 with knox, and have it come out successful?
-How do you possibly find a trustworthy rom that wont be loaded with viruses/rootkits
-Is there a gold standard guide out there for security on rooted note8's (how to setup firewalls/ iptables. with knox in the equation)
I dont want to overload this post with stuff when I'm the one holding my hat out here for advice. I've googled for weeks, can't seem to find any straight answer. No one seems to have any solid hands on experience with this (rooting/knox/security). I just know that the note8 with all the knox parts makes it different from any other phone ive had.
THANK YOU.

I suppose I should also mention that I am looking for something that will be the most secure/offer the most flexibility in maintaining privacy.
Ideally I would love something that just has a homescreen that shows all network data events/history. Probably doesnt exist, but thats my mindset about all this.

If you want security and the ability to stop stuff running in the background (slowing down your phone and using your battery), you don't want to root.
Just install one of these apps:
1. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdp.singleplay
or
2. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kunkunsoft.packagedisabler
They allow you to disable apps you don't want or use (e.g. facebook). I use the first one. I know they are paid apps but they are worth the money.

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If you want security and the ability to stop stuff running in the background (slowing down your phone and using your battery), you don't want to root.
Just install one of these apps:
1. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdp.singleplay
or
2. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kunkunsoft.packagedisabler
They allow you to disable apps you don't want or use (e.g. facebook). I use the first one. I know they are paid apps but they are worth the money.
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Yea, I have heard of those. But I guess whenever I see a solution that involves me paying some person I dont know for them to put code on my phone, I always prefer to go the learn it myself route. Which is why I guess I am asking for some advice on rooting, I can handle doing it myself, I'm not entirely un-tech savvy. Just had a few general questions about rom/knox issues.
Also thank you!

cricketpaddleinmyhand said:
-How difficult/dangerous is it to root note8 with knox, and have it come out successful?
-How do you possibly find a trustworthy rom that wont be loaded with viruses/rootkits
-Is there a gold standard guide out there for security on rooted note8's (how to setup firewalls/ iptables. with knox in the equation.
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It's pretty straightforward to root, just read through the root threads and make sure you're familiar with all the steps.
I have never downloaded a rom from here with viruses and rootkits. Look at user feedback and install a virus scanner on your phone if concerned. For official firmware, try SamFirm or Sammobile.
You can use apps like AFWall+ from the Play Store but root is required for it to work. I don't know what you mean by "with Knox in the equation" though. Knox is something else entirely.

sefrcoko said:
It's pretty straightforward to root, just read through the root threads and make sure you're familiar with all the steps.
I have never downloaded a rom from here with viruses and rootkits. Look at user feedback and install a virus scanner on your phone if concerned. For official firmware, try SamFirm or Sammobile.
You can use apps like AFWall+ from the Play Store but root is required for it to work. I don't know what you mean by "with Knox in the equation" though. It's something else entirely.
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Yep, pretty familiar with finding roms/installing them (still weary of anything free, rootkits can be hidden anywhere these days). Only reason I specifically made a thread this time around is due to the knox security portion of the note8. I've heard it can complicate things when rooting note8, and I was unable to find much info from people on it (especially with recent version releases)
but thank you!

cricketpaddleinmyhand said:
Yep, pretty familiar with finding roms/installing them (still weary of anything free, rootkits can be hidden anywhere these days). Only reason I specifically made a thread this time around is due to the knox security portion of the note8. I've heard it can complicate things when rooting note8, and I was unable to find much info from people on it (especially with recent version releases)
but thank you!
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What model do you have? Rooting on Exynos with custom recovery will trip Knox counter and stop samsung pay/secure pass from working ever again. Most Snapdragon models have locked bootloaders though, and their root method doesn't affect Knox if I recall correctly (see SamFail thread though for that last one).

cricketpaddleinmyhand said:
Yea, I have heard of those. But I guess whenever I see a solution that involves me paying some person I dont know for them to put code on my phone, I always prefer to go the learn it myself route. Which is why I guess I am asking for some advice on rooting, I can handle doing it myself, I'm not entirely un-tech savvy. Just had a few general questions about rom/knox issues.
Also thank you!
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Do what you're happy doing.
Just one thing. Your logic is fatally flawed. You say you won't pay someone to provide a solution unless you have researched it first but you will however sacrifice security by rooting for free but you haven't researched it.
Your questions are all answered in this forum, you just need to use the search function. No need to create another 'how do I root and what are the advantages/disadvantages' thread.
Good luck.

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Do what you're happy doing.
Just one thing. Your logic is fatally flawed. You say you won't pay someone to provide a solution unless you have researched it first but you will however sacrifice security by rooting for free but you haven't researched it.
Your questions are all answered in this forum, you just need to use the search function. No need to create another 'how do I root and what are the advantages/disadvantages' thread.
Good luck.
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Thanks for your reply, however practice makes perfect - can't get good at anything until you try.
As for searching this forum, maybe I should have been more specific when i said I googled. That meant I searched everywhere I knew of (including here) for any specific knox related rooting guides for the current note8 OS release. And since it just rolled out few days prior, I haven't found many first hand accounts/spoken to anyone who has attempted it. I will also add that i was hoping to hear some opinions about something that is specifically tailored to security/privacy. I guess I thought that was unique enough/not previously posted to warrant my own thread. But as you stated, perhaps my thinking is flawed.
Thank you!

The thing is, if you are so concerned about security issues, do not use ANY google related service/software, there you voluntarily give tons of pieces of info, but that includes amdroid itself, as it relies on google play services, as I see it, your best option for not having anything suspicious installed in your device is a plain feature phone, and a computer with the best protection you can buy/get

winol said:
The thing is, if you are so concerned about security issues, do not use ANY google related service/software, there you voluntarily give tons of pieces of info, but that includes amdroid itself, as it relies on google play services, as I see it, your best option for not having anything suspicious installed in your device is a plain feature phone, and a computer with the best protection you can buy/get
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Yes, you couldn't be more right about that.
Unfortunately google and my work have not fully separated and probably wont anytime soon. Main reason i was wanting to root was to have some sort of control over my firewall/setup some iptables to limit the amount of trackers/bugs phoning home.

Rooting is the exact opposite to safety, that is why unbranded/generic/fake/etc are sold with root access out of the box, no restrictions whatsoever for anything

cricketpaddleinmyhand said:
Thanks for your reply, however practice makes perfect - can't get good at anything until you try.
As for searching this forum, maybe I should have been more specific when i said I googled. That meant I searched everywhere I knew of (including here) for any specific knox related rooting guides for the current note8 OS release. And since it just rolled out few days prior, I haven't found many first hand accounts/spoken to anyone who has attempted it. I will also add that i was hoping to hear some opinions about something that is specifically tailored to security/privacy. I guess I thought that was unique enough/not previously posted to warrant my own thread. But as you stated, perhaps my thinking is flawed.
Thank you!
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I'm not sure what you mean by "Knox-related rooting guides". That may be part of the confusion and why you can't find what you're looking for. You root the phone/OS, not Knox.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "Knox-related rooting guides". That may be part of the confusion and why you can't find what you're looking for. You root the phone/OS, not Knox.
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Yea, it is confusing I know. Apparently I have heard that the knox feature can cause issues , especially if you already updated .
Botched this thread pretty good lmao, everyone is totally lost. (me included)
meh, don worry about it. ill just let the thread hang, see if anyone can see what im trying to explain somewhat terribly
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Rooting is the exact opposite to safety
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Well, I would somewhat agree with you there. But, I guess Im just sick of having no way to set my own firewall rules/ have control over my ports.