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I posted links to a free Diamond unlocker on here last week and subsequently recieved a 7 day ban.
The ban stated the reason was "posting other peoples work".
I didnt know if the software was working,fake,safe or easy to use as my device is already unlocked but in the nature of xdadev forums i posted it in case it was of use to anybody.
I most definately didnt claim the software as my own nor did i try to profit from the work of others.
I guess it upset somebody as like i said i recieved a weeks ban for my efforts which i think was kinda harsh considering.
Wouldve have been a bit more civil to have just removed the post,links and PMed asking/demanding that i dont post the software here or anywhere else and i would have happily complied.
**** i still dont know who banned me and for what reason exactly but i aint complaining about a poxy 7 day ban that was easily bypassed by logging in as a guest to browse the forums, just wouldve been nice to been asked a question before being shot.
Just for the record
If your post was legitimate (which I don't know if it was), surely somebody was jealous and wanted his own work promoted.
Wouldn't surprise me if he even wants money for it.
It's cuz the devs are charging money for unlocking the devices. They say it will be free later, so I guess until then nobody else can start giving out codes for free.
There's a couple of posts about it in the ROM Dev thread
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If your post was legitimate (which I don't know if it was), surely somebody was jealous and wanted his own work promoted.
Wouldn't surprise me if he even wants money for it.
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Yea thats what happened as far as I can see.
The software I aquired is being sold by the dev/devs which is fair enough if they feel its worth the asking price and theres a market then **** it
let them eat cake.
My reason for this post was just that I didnt care for the way the matter was dealt with by banning me with out so much as a valid reason or reply to my attempts to contact them over the last week.
I also posted to state the fact that i didnt claim the software to be mine or attempt to gain financial or kudos rewards for the post.
If like I stated I had been approached with the facts rather than just getting banned I would have happily removed the link and file from my hosting and even blagged that the software I had was a fake if that would have appeased the powers that be and kept the coin rolling in for the dev/devs.
The fact is the unlock solution is now in the wild and its probably pissed on theyre chips.
Also im now getting unsolicited PMs asking for the software and I aint the ignorant type.
I can understand people being pissed off as i was unintentionaly offering for free what they was selling but i just think the matter could have been dealt with differently.
Fex
I think that the software author in general has the right to ask for a remuneration for his hard work, if he feels like it.
I know exactly the feeling.
But what bothers me, is exactly what you've described: the WAY it's been delt with.
adwinp said:
I think that the software author in general has the right to ask for a remuneration for his hard work, if he feels like it.
I know exactly the feeling.
But what bothers me, is exactly what you've described: the WAY it's been delt with.
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I wholeheartedly agree with you mate which is why like I mentioned If I had been informed I would have if able to, happily taken measures to repair and repent my minor discretion
I understand where you’re coming from innocent until proven guilty and all that. But, sh*t happens then you die... so don’t worry about it.
fex said:
The fact is the unlock solution is now in the wild and its probably pissed on theyre chips.
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I also agree with you regarding the unlocker is out in the wild. It’s available on bit torrent and various online forums mostly in foreign languages...
I do like the idea that they have come up with which is to give it out for free to people who support this site and charge the ones that don’t as its most likely these people who will go on to profit out of the software by selling it on as a service.
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well, one of the names it goes by is libera_diamond.
im sure someone in this forum selling that...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414835 see the link and any question of who banned you will be solved my friend...
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hint hint:
well, one of the names it goes by is libera_diamond.
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I already found it.... used it... and... IT WORKS!...
Just unlocked 16 Diamonds from Portuguese TMN!...
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hint hint:
well, one of the names it goes by is libera_diamond.
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Well, found it as well, cheers!
instructions within
can anyone assist with a bit more user friendly instructions for the above topic, and do i need to use an xp system rather than my vista device?
all help would be appreciated.
cheers
help....
can someone supply better instructions, for this unlocker....
Works on Vista Ultimate Perfectly!
The unlocker works on vista. I should know. It worked perfectly on my phone.
The last step's hit and miss. For some reason (i'm guessing the dev had a twisted sense of humor), the app'll close instantly unless you try and freeze it open. The best way to do this is launch diamunlock.exe and press the UP button on your phone REPEATEDLY. After about 5-10 tries, the program will stay open and you can take your time.
I do admire what the dev was doing by selling this but TBH from what i've seen about XDA-Dev, software is given away and donations are asked for later. This new approach of charge first and that's it, while expected, doesn't seem to fit with the ethos of xda-dev and as such, i don't feel like i should promote it by paying for the software.
Now if it had been donationware? Hell yeah you best believe i'd have sent 10-20 bucks the dev's way.
Hy,
With this solution I've unlocked severall phones, and since I believe that knollege should be payed, I've given already 2 donations to this forum in general... of course I refuse to pay to anyone in specific if the solution is out for free!...
And I think everyone should recognise this forum's usefullness with some sort of donation, either knollege or money.
BR
Well, this thread surely doesnt serve any purpose other than simply gossiping (in a polite language) about someone else's work around here. So thread closed and I dont think its wrong. Will be moved to trash soon, just wanting the OP to take his time and read this post. PM a MOD if you feel otherwise
I rooted my phone using Kingo. It has been perfect. It appears to be totally fine. I get up this morning and find the below comment and closed thread. Do we need to undo root and flash back to stock? Someone please help with this situation. I'm sure a bunch of people did this and would like to know what we should do now. Thanks Devs.
Kingo and vroot have been determined to be malware and unsafe for use, as such all threads will be closed and links removed.
Thank you
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I rooted my phone using Kingo. It has been perfect. It appears to be totally fine. I get up this morning and find the below comment and closed thread. Do we need to undo root and flash back to stock? Someone please help with this situation. I'm sure a bunch of people did this and would like to know what we should do now. Thanks Devs.
Kingo and vroot have been determined to be malware and unsafe for use, as such all threads will be closed and links removed.
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This thread would be more helpful if it had an informative subject line, such as "What to do about Kingo malware?". The subject you provided ("What should we do now?") gives readers no clue what the thread is about.
Anyway, does anyone know how the malware determination was made, and by whom? Does the purported malware afflict the PC that runs the software, the phone that gets rooted, or both?
Also, I notice that the locked Kingo thread in the dev forum only mentions the malware determination in the last post of the thread. Anyone who just reads the initial post, or who doesn't read all the way to the end, will still think the software has been confirmed ok. (I know the download link in the initial post has been removed, but that has little effect since the software is trivially Googled.)
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This thread would be more helpful if it had an informative subject line, such as "What to do about Kingo malware?". The subject you provided ("What should we do now?") gives readers no clue what the thread is about.
Anyway, does anyone know how the malware determination was made, and by whom? Does the purported malware afflict the PC that runs the software, the phone that gets rooted, or both?
Also, I notice that the locked Kingo thread in the dev forum only mentions the malware determination in the last post of the thread. Anyone who just reads the initial post, or who doesn't read all the way to the end, will still think the software has been confirmed ok. (I know the download link in the initial post has been removed, but that has little effect since the software is trivially Googled.)
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Looking at it now, I agree with the subject line needing to be a little better.
I was just told by a MOD the following. >
So now that I already have Kingo, what do you think I should do ? Keep it, our undo it? Please let me know, because I dont see anything wrong with it. Phone is working great.
MOD Get rid of it, it steals your information and sends it to remote servers and leaves back doors on your device and pc
MOD Correction, it's thought to do these things
Okay, I will undo it......When I plug my phone back up to PC and run Kingo, it has an Unroot option. Should I do it that way? Or should I look for STOCK files that came with the phone and us Odin to flash it? Thanks for your time.
MOD Stock, don't use the app anymore
If it's really malware (I don't know how that determination was made), any passwords, credit-card or bank-account numbers, etc. on your PC or your phone may have been exposed and should be changed now. Your PC and your phone may need to be disinfected, preferably by clean-installing a known-good system.
Just for future reference, when a company with no known track record offers free, unvetted, closed-source software, it's risky to install it on any system whose integrity you care about. That's especially the case when they claim to be a commercial venture but they say that their product will always be free, and there's no apparent way for them to profit from it.
I still don't know what evidence, if any, shows that this software is malicious. But it seemed blatantly suspicious from the beginning, so I've refrained from installing it.
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MOD Get rid of it, it steals your information and sends it to remote servers and leaves back doors on your device and pc
MOD Correction, it's thought to do these things
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Thought by whom, and on the basis of what evidence, if any?
Gary02468 said:
If it's really malware (I don't know how that determination was made), any passwords, credit-card or bank-account numbers, etc. on your PC or your phone may have been exposed and should be changed now. Your PC and your phone may need to be disinfected, preferably by clean-installing a known-good system.
Just for future reference, when a company with no known track record offers free, unvetted, closed-source software, it's risky to install it on any system whose integrity you care about. That's especially the case when they claim to be a commercial venture but they say that their product will always be free, and there's no apparent way for them to profit from it.
I still don't know what evidence, if any, shows that this software is malicious. But it seemed blatantly suspicious from the beginning, so I've refrained from installing it.
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Thought by whom, and on the basis of what evidence, if any?
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Well lets see here. The Devs and Moderators do a lot here at XDA. We trust them, and we do things to our phones.
Why wouldn't we trust what they say about certain methods? Threads and links being closed. I'm just saying...
Now I really want to make my phone go back to how it was when I bought it.
If there is anybody that's done it, I would love to know how.
It would be great if I could just use Odin with a file and not trip anything and go back. Please help me/others if this is possible.
Im sick to my stomach now. I knew I should of waited. **** !!!
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Well lets see here. The Devs and Moderators do a lot here at XDA. We trust them, and we do things to our phones.
Why wouldn't we trust what they say about certain methods?
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So far, no dev or mod has claimed here to have specific evidence that the software in question is malicious.
Sure, there's reason to be suspicious. But that was already obvious just from looking at the Kingo website.
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So far, no dev or mod has claimed here to have specific evidence that the software in question is malicious.
Sure, there's reason to be suspicious. But that was already obvious just from looking at the Kingo website.
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I don't know what to do. I have been rooting and modding phones and other electronics for years and now I feel like it's just not worth it. I trusted XDA and the Devs a lot. Heck a dev said that this way was easier and closed an old thread. So I ran with it and now 2 days later it's closed as well. I'm disappointed
LuckyColdJohnson said:
I don't know what to do. I have been rooting and modding phones and other electronics for years and now I feel like it's just not worth it. I trusted XDA and the Devs a lot. Heck a dev said that this way was easier and closed an old thread. So I ran with it and now 2 days later it's closed as well. I'm disappointed
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I think you need to look more closely at what it means to trust someone.
I do trust the devs here regarding the integrity of their own software, because their track record gives me evidence that they're trustworthy in that regard. I've flashed ROMs from here many times.
But I don't trust the devs--or anyone in the world--in the sense of automatically believing what they say about everything. I'm sure they wouldn't expect me to.
So if a dev makes an offhand remark that someone else's software (that they have no way of examining) is safe, then of course I'm not going to just take their word for it. And if they make an equally offhand remark that the software is malicious--but fail to mention why they think so--then I'm not going to automatically believe that, either.
LuckyColdJohnson said:
I don't know what to do. I have been rooting and modding phones and other electronics for years and now I feel like it's just not worth it. I trusted XDA and the Devs a lot. Heck a dev said that this way was easier and closed an old thread. So I ran with it and now 2 days later it's closed as well. I'm disappointed
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Why don't you reroot using De La Vega by DG? Although his method will wipe your phone back to stock but at least you know it works and it's safe.
Gary02468 said:
I think you need to look more closely at what it means to trust someone.
I do trust the devs here regarding the integrity of their own software, because their track record gives me evidence that they're trustworthy in that regard. I've flashed ROMs from here many times.
But I don't trust the devs--or anyone in the world--in the sense of automatically believing what they say about everything. I'm sure they wouldn't expect me to.
So if a dev makes an offhand remark that someone else's software (that they have no way of examining) is safe, then of course I'm not going to just take their word for it. And if they make an equally offhand remark that the software is malicious--but fail to mention why they think so--then I'm not going to automatically believe that, either.
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I agree man. Thanks for your input, I'm just a little mad. I did pay 399.00 for this and now, I just want it back to Stock. Thanks again, looking for a way.
ukic said:
Why don't you reroot using De La Vega by DG? Although his method will wipe your phone back to stock but at least you know it works and it's safe.
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Yup. If the phone is infected, wiping it clean is what you want to do anyway.
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LuckyColdJohnson said:
I agree man. Thanks for your input, I'm just a little mad. I did pay 399.00 for this and now, I just want it back to Stock. Thanks again, looking for a way.
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I think your course of action depends on how much you have at risk. Do you have sensitive/valuable passwords, account numbers, etc. on your phone or your PC?
If you don't, then you might want to just ignore the risk until and unless someone establishes that Kingo is really malware.
But if you do have sensitive information at risk, your decision is trickier. The only really secure course of action would be to wipe both your phone and your PC, and to reset all your potentially-exposed passwords and financial accounts. But that's a lot of work to go to for a threat that might not even exist. So it really depends on what you have at stake.
In any case, I wish you the best of luck!
If all it does is send info to their servers I ponder if I could just start it under a virtual machine with no internet connection and root.
is the internet connection required?
I would much rather flash two second than a 2 gig file it just sounds alot riskier
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mrkhigh said:
If all it does is send info to their servers I ponder if I could just start it under a virtual machine with no internet connection and root.
is the internet connection required?
I would much rather flash two second than a 2 gig file it just sounds alot riskier
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These are just rumors and a Moderator let us know it wasn't safe so,,,,,,I just want to go back. Cant right now. Cant find the At&T Firmware,,I dont think its available yet.
For all we know, Vroot and Kingo could be okay. IDK
Grrrr so we shouldnt use Kingo unroot method...Im a feard...anyone know what to do now
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mrkhigh said:
If all it does is send info to their servers I ponder if I could just start it under a virtual machine with no internet connection and root.
is the internet connection required?
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I was thinking this as well but if the application leaves a back door open on the device itself then unless you plan on having your phone in Airplane mode 24/7 it would eventually send its payload over the wire.
I think the PC portion is controllable, its the mobile portion that has a lot of people on edge.
I found this website:
www[dot]majorgeeks.com/files/details/kingo_android_root[dot]html
Which seems to have links back into XDA about who made the claim and what not.
I see it like this, until someone can prove without a doubt that it is opening holes in devices and leaking information, its just another "he-said-she-said" argument.
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I was thinking this as well but if the application leaves a back door open on the device itself then unless you plan on having your phone in Airplane mode 24/7 it would eventually send its payload over the wire.
I think the PC portion is controllable, its the mobile portion that has a lot of people on edge.
I found this website:
www[dot]majorgeeks.com/files/details/kingo_android_root[dot]html
Which seems to have links back into XDA about who made the claim and what not.
I see it like this, until someone can prove without a doubt that it is opening holes in devices and leaking information, its just another "he-said-she-said" argument.
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Or someone is mad because they didn't come up with a root solution like this first, LOL just saying.
I tried the Vroot first, and it had a superuser app (from playstore) but its all in Chinese letters.
So I uninstalled that super user app and used Kingo to unroot (Which works perfectly)
Then I rebooted and rooted using Kingo. (Worked perfectly)
It put the superSU on there (In English) and has been awesome
Now Im going back to stock and never rooting again in my life because it pisses me off I can't trust ...Never mind
I will be using Vega method soon as I get home and Im done. This sucks. Battery life will also suck. Aw well. At least my info will be protected
I guess. Kingo,,,I wish they wouldn't of said that about you. Now I want you gone.
I've contacted Kingo on their website and asked them to comment, hopefully they will respond to the possibility of their app being permanently declared malware on the largest Android forum on the net. We'll see what they have to say about it, if anything.
Response from Kingo.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2515879
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Im back on stock and honestly, the phone fly's better.
I also have the watch so I'm going to wait for a new root method on new updated firmware.
This phone feels better and I got a better AnTUTU score without root.
LuckyColdJohnson said:
I agree man. Thanks for your input, I'm just a little mad. I did pay 399.00 for this and now, I just want it back to Stock. Thanks again, looking for a way.
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Root De La Vega works fine. Yes it does take a little more work and you have to wipe data but I've rooted/unrooted/rooted again and I've had no issues using DesignGear's method. DesignGear's is a great Dev...I don't think him telling people to use Kingo should change that opinion. Kingo seemed really, really weird to me from the beginning...but it does root the phone!
Does rooting provide any protection against malware or does it make it worse?
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Best protection against malware = user.
If you just root, and don't use a custom recovery and custom ROMs, immediately install SuperSU, antivirus, and make sure you protect yourself. SuperSU will at least notify you when an application is trying to use root permissions (aka - modify or access system files) which is not something you want every program doing.
The nice thing about having root is you can change things on your phone a launcher can't touch - boot animation, screen DPI, backup apps like Titanium Backup, and of course clearing out carrier bloatware.
If you do go with a custom recovery, TWRP for example, and flash ROMs, CyanogenMod for example, you are often provided with SuperSU tools and other options as part of the package. Just be very sure you are using images from reputable sources. Lord knows what kind of stuff someone who published a custom ROM could get off your device if they had ill intents.
If you are new to rooting, flashing, etc then I would suggest starting with root access only. Explore what you can do with it, learn it, and be conscious of security as you go. After you are comfortable with it, try CyanogenMod to see how a custom ROM really differs from stock.
Rooting will not give any protection against malware you have to install antivirus or use any app that will help you against this with root
Oh, and to answer the question 'should you root'... We tinker with all the things because we like to. We like knowing how all the things work. We like having more control of all the things. If you don't like this, then don't.
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Does rooting provide any protection against malware or does it make it worse?
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Android is blamed for earning malware for your device but hey! the user of the device is 100% responsible for it. Stop clicking on spammy links and visiting those websites which allow you to earn malware Problem will be solved.
Now rooting. Rooting is the best way to taste your android device at fullest. Use custom ROM, tweak the kernel and much more
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Does rooting provide any protection against malware or does it make it worse?
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I'm not an expert and have found the site to be filled with a lot of great, detailed information including howto instructions if you decide to root. I've rooted a few phones but not the N6 yet. I'm waiting for 5.1 to be available only because I'd rather the OTA download and didn't want it to break root and have to spend a day playing with the phone to get it set up again. Yes, lazy too. My two cents:
There were a few articles back when 5.0 was being released saying how root for this OS would need to bypass much of the built-in security features with this OS version. I don't have a clue if it is true. If I decide to root, I'll go back and see if this is a real problem.
Why root? The exposed framework gives you nice features. Apps can have access to the phone os/hardware that is blocked, for example, you can get the notification LED to work, the battery statistics allow more access so you can see what app is killing your battery. There was one or two other apps I used that required root, can't recall now.
Its easy to say malware is a user problem, some of it is like careless sideloading. But I have no idea if a web page is loading something on my phone. Worse, if you look at the permissions you grant apps, you would load very few on your phone. I find the service providers , like T-Mobile (mine) and Verizion (Fios) to be the worst in asking for access to the phone data for no apparent reason. Does my app to see visual voicemail really need access to my microphone and camera or apps I have loaded on the phone? In my opinion this is spyware as you have no idea what is being uploaded to the app developer. Many of the apps in google play have questionable permission requirements.
That's actually another reason to root, the xposed xprivacy module (haven't used it). Or, using a DNS that will filter malware web site (I think you need root to change the DNS in Android). I'm not sure about the status of xposed on the nexus 6 so you have to read the threads. I don't know why you want to root, so you have to determine if it is worth the effort.
Simple answer is No.
if you're asking if you should root then you do not know what root is and the benefits to it. if you are happy with the phone and all the apps you have suit your needs, then stay as you are and do not download any dodgy apps from the play store
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Simple answer is No.
if you're asking if you should root then you do not know what root is and the benefits to it. if you are happy with the phone and all the apps you have suit your needs, then stay as you are and do not download any dodgy apps from the play store
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Couldn't agree more. If you have to ask, the answer is no.
IINexusII said:
Simple answer is No.
if you're asking if you should root then you do not know what root is and the benefits to it.
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Terrible answer! Just because someone doesn't already know something is piss poor justification for telling them not to learn it.
If someone asked the forum if there were any benefits in C#, would you tell them not to bother learning to program, just keep buying Microsoft products?
FFS...
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Terrible answer! Just because someone doesn't already know something is piss poor justification for telling them not to learn it.
If someone asked the forum if there were any benefits in C#, would you tell them not to bother learning to program, just keep buying Microsoft products?
FFS...
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What a terrible response. is root a programming language?
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Terrible answer! Just because someone doesn't already know something is piss poor justification for telling them not to learn it.
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No, it is the best answer. He is not asking to learn it, he is askign us to make a decision as to whether he should root or not. If he knows the benefits of root, he should make teh decision himself based on the usecase. If he doesn't know the benefits, he should read a sticky thread that lists the benefits. If he doesnt know whether he should root, then he shouldnt because it is not something to um and ahh over.
Rooting in and of itself will have no effect on your getting infected with malware or not. It may affect the degree in which something can muck up your system, because if rooted, that program can get further into the OS than if you were not.
Now, that said, the real meat of it is that if you allow sideloading, that's the one that will let apps install from downloaded files, etc.
Ever notice where they say all the android handsets are getting infected? not here in the US anyways.
If you stick to known downloads and are not trying to get hacked apps, you won't have to worry.
I have to agree with RootSU here, his last paragraph sums it up nicely.
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What a terrible response. is root a programming language?
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Well, I can't resist using your own logic... If you don't know that root isn't a programming language, you shouldn't root. You probably shouldn't even reply to posts. Further, If you can't understand the example I provided, I'm not going to waste my time and explain it. You should just go read the stickies on the benefits of examples, or something. After all, you shouldn't um and ahh over this.
Facetiousness aside, if you read my example you'd see that I in no way called root a programming language. My entire point is that there are better ways to tell someone not to root. If your point to the OP is this: No, you shouldn't root because it can be dangerous, can brick your device, and that you really need to do your homework on it before you just go and do it, then tell them that! Don't condescend to them and/or future readers of the thread that not knowing it is reason enough not to do it ever. It's insulting. At least it is to me. It IS a discouragement, and in IMO, and in the spirit of XDA, we should try to point people in the right direction so they can learn and make them aware of the risks and benefits so they can make informed decisions. Sure, if it's already been covered, post a link to the thread or sticky. No need to rewrite it. But sending the message of "If you don't already know, abandon all hope now" is crap.
If you disagree with me, then I'll agree to disagree with you.
That's the last I'll say about this.
Peace
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Terrible answer! Just because someone doesn't already know something is piss poor justification for telling them not to learn it.
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I interpreted it to mean that learning more about root and what it might offer/require of a user is probably best before actually rooting and then deciding later on if that's what you really wanted to do. That is, being conservative here is probably not the worst suggestion.
- ooofest
Alright, so we now have root (somewhat), but now, we yearn for BL unlock. I've been investigating, but I've come up short. I'm in no way a developer (other than some basic HTML/CSS knowledge), so maybe the community can brainstorm and churn out ideas. If you have 'em, let 'em rip! :good:
EDIT: Ok, yes, I realize that I 'dun goofed. There are multiple threads about this and I made a mistake between root and WP. I know maiko1 has worked hard on getting us root, and I and everyone else appreciates it. My apologies for disturbing the peace.
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Alright, so we now have root (somewhat), but now, we yearn for BL unlock. I've been investigating, but I've come up short. I'm in no way a developer (other than some basic HTML/CSS knowledge), so maybe the community can brainstorm and churn out ideas. If you have 'em, let 'em rip! :good:
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/bounty-disable-write-protection-unlock-t3067615
There are already multiple threads on this topic you are bringing up. Also what u have is root....there is no somewhat or in between. If you dont understand what moforoot does for the turbo then you shouldnt be tweaking your device in the first place.
I think the way is have a moto maxx and droid turbo together and study what changes with unlocking in maxx
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/bounty-disable-write-protection-unlock-t3067615
There are already multiple threads on this topic you are bringing up. Also what u have is root....there is no somewhat or in between. If you dont understand what moforoot does for the turbo then you shouldnt be tweaking your device in the first place.
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Right, but that's a bounty thread. This isn't, I must made this for general brainstorming and idea sharing. Also I only called it somewhat root because of write protection, but I get what you mean. Sorry if I'm bringing up an already discussed topic, but I know everyone is yearning for some kind of unlock, and I figure that discussion and brainstorm is good to help keep the idea moving forward.
what gets me, and no offense to anyone, but those with the skills and knowledge to do this do not brainstorm said ideas on xda, but in other resources and areas or in idfferent areas of xda. Too many people who have no idea what they are doing would hinder the process of accomplishing the goal. while i think this threads are a good thing in a way, they are really useless because the ones with the knowledge do not really come here and discuss the insanely complicated procedure of what must be done in order to accomplish things.
Here is another thread with the same idea called Droid Turbo Think Tank.
Nearly every person I've come into contact with has said it is possible to unlock the bootloader so that gives hope. But just don't expect it soon.
jake7405 said:
Alright, so we now have root (somewhat), but now, we yearn for BL unlock. I've been investigating, but I've come up short. I'm in no way a developer (other than some basic HTML/CSS knowledge), so maybe the community can brainstorm and churn out ideas. If you have 'em, let 'em rip! :good:
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When will this issue die? Root ACCESS, and write protection are NOT the same thing. Totally independent of each other. Everyone assuming that they are the same thing is starting to get ridiculous it has been explained here multiple times.
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When will this issue die? Root ACCESS, and write protection are NOT the same thing. Totally independent of each other. Everyone assuming that they are the same thing is starting to get ridiculous it has been explained here multiple times.
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Can you explain this difference? I now understand they are different. I previously thought root was defined by having read write and execute permissions everywhere (including to the system)
Clearly I'm not right. But maybe you could explain that to me
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Can you explain this difference? I now understand they are different. I previously thought root was defined by having read write and execute permissions everywhere (including to the system)
Clearly I'm not right. But maybe you could explain that to me
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I may be wrong. That said, how I see it and how wiki answers:
Rooting "is the process of allowing users...running the Android mobile operating system to attain privileged control (known as "root access") over various Android's subsystems."
Privileged control "is the act of exploiting a bug, design flaw or configuration oversight in an operating system or software application to gain elevated access to resources that are normally protected from an application or user"
So by that, we have root. We (really maiko1) have exploited a bug that has given us elevated access to the system partition which is normally protected from us, the user.
Write protection is literally what it is. Protection from unauthorized code to be written.
I look at it as, we have root. A (seemingly large portion) of people had the same definition of Root as you, so those people are all upset merely because they started from an incorrect assumption of what they want. (Write access)
So say every birthday (phone) you have, Im going to get you a cake (Root) And every birthday that cake comes out and all your friends (Write access) surround you to celebrate. Well I never said I was bringing your friends, I just said cake. Then one year no friends come and all you have is cake. Now youre saying this isnt cake, where are my friends.. And my response is, no no no, I said I was giving you cake. Heres your cake, Its not my fault you assumed the friends always came with the cake.
Diego1751 said:
Can you explain this difference? I now understand they are different. I previously thought root was defined by having read write and execute permissions everywhere (including to the system)
Clearly I'm not right. But maybe you could explain that to me
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Basic Analogy: Compare Android to Windows for a second. Pretend that Microsoft removed the Administrator account, so nobody could use it, and they set up write-protection on C:\ and restricted your write abilities to C:\Users\YourUserName. So someone (maiko1) comes along and finds a way to re-enable the Administrator account, and you can use it, but due to write protection, you can only write to anywhere in C:\Users. Make sense?
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Basic Analogy: Compare Android to Windows for a second. Pretend that Microsoft removed the Administrator account, so nobody could use it, and they set up write-protection on C:\ and restricted your write abilities to C:\Users\YourUserName. So someone (maiko1) comes along and finds a way to re-enable the Administrator account, and you can use it, but due to write protection, you can only write to anywhere in C:\Users. Make sense?
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I may be wrong. That said, how I see it and how wiki answers:
Rooting "is the process of allowing users...running the Android mobile operating system to attain privileged control (known as "root access") over various Android's subsystems."
Privileged control "is the act of exploiting a bug, design flaw or configuration oversight in an operating system or software application to gain elevated access to resources that are normally protected from an application or user"
So by that, we have root. We (really maiko1) have exploited a bug that has given us elevated access to the system partition which is normally protected from us, the user.
Write protection is literally what it is. Protection from unauthorized code to be written.
I look at it as, we have root. A (seemingly large portion) of people had the same definition of Root as you, so those people are all upset merely because they started from an incorrect assumption of what they want. (Write access)
So say every birthday (phone) you have, Im going to get you a cake (Root) And every birthday that cake comes out and all your friends (Write access) surround you to celebrate. Well I never said I was bringing your friends, I just said cake. Then one year no friends come and all you have is cake. Now youre saying this isnt cake, where are my friends.. And my response is, no no no, I said I was giving you cake. Heres your cake, Its not my fault you assumed the friends always came with the cake.
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thanks for the explanation guys. I completely understand that root and write protection are different things. I USED to think this when Mofo was released it was the first root I had to pay for and I was also curious about this write protection thing because I had thought (when others explained root to me back when I was a noob) that root was defined by advanced control to the system (which it sounds like it is but this is a VERY loose definition) including read/write/exc acceses to the system and subsystems. after reading for a while to learn the difference I happily bought mofo (partly assuming more dev work will maybe unlock bl or wp) But now people in this thread (and many others) now know
Can we stick to one thread!
hello developers. Im sorry if im posting this thread in wrong forum but i found no other better place to call for help. I own Samsung Galaxy Tab A 10.5 SM-T595 (2018) model and i want to root this tab. Development of this model haven't started yes i guess, so i request developers to start development and guide us to root and recovery for this tab. thank you.
Regards - Dr.Anshuman
Those damn developers, sitting around with nothing to do, just waiting for requests!
This should get em going!
Agree,ive got a Samsung Galaxy Tab A 10.5 SM-T590 and ive been waiting for a Recovery and a Rom,fingers crossed someones working on it.
This is bad. No one even wanna talk about SM-T595.
We are still waiting for TWRP and root guide
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This is bad. No one even wanna talk about SM-T595.
We are still waiting for TWRP and root guide
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So why don't you do it? What kind of Dr. makes sad pouty faces because others are not lining up to do hundreds of hours of work on a mediocre tablet in exchange for absolutely nothing? Overbooked proctologist? I imagine you weren't planning to pay anyone anything to do work that you're requesting, but maybe I'm wrong about that? A ot of people will work on a given device because there's something they want out of it, or it would be especially useful, or.... someone found a vulnerability. Personal passion, wide popularity, the crowds of adoring women ... so many reasons, different for everyone working on every device.
What incentive do they have to assist you in this? Maybe it is your drive and insistence that this device open for every user to have full control of their personal information, which you display by all of the work you have done towards creating the root method here yourself? It's been a month since your post., please let me know what you have learned in your work so far
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So why don't you do it? What kind of Dr. makes sad pouty faces because others are not lining up to do hundreds of hours of work on a mediocre tablet in exchange for absolutely nothing? Overbooked proctologist? I imagine you weren't planning to pay anyone anything to do work that you're requesting, but maybe I'm wrong about that? A ot of people will work on a given device because there's something they want out of it, or it would be especially useful, or.... someone found a vulnerability. Personal passion, wide popularity, the crowds of adoring women ... so many reasons, different for everyone working on every device.
What incentive do they have to assist you in this? Maybe it is your drive and insistence that this device open for every user to have full control of their personal information, which you display by all of the work you have done towards creating the root method here yourself? It's been a month since your post., please let me know what you have learned in your work so far
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my child, im overbooked Obstetrician and Gynecologist. If you have any gynecological problem, let me know, i will be happy to help you. I have a technical problem, so you better help me, coz i have saved thousands neonate like you.
here is a tutorial to root 590 , OP says it may work on 595.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-a/how-to/root-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-5-2018-root-t3887848
Can anyone please try it on 595? My xams are very near so i dont wanna brick my tab, my all books are there.
Dr.Anshuman said:
here is a tutorial to root 590 , OP says it may work on 595.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-a/how-to/root-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-5-2018-root-t3887848
Can anyone please try it on 595? My xams are very near so i dont wanna brick my tab, my all books are there.
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This is especially entertaining after trying to talk down to me... which wasn't very effective after repeatedly begging and pouting that no one will root a random device. to make your life easier. You don't have real books, or a memory card or hard drive to back those up, and you seem to honestly see begging random people to spend their lives doing things for you a more reasonable choice than buying one of those or a more popular tablet or any with an existing path to root. It's pathetic. I'm not even trying to insult you, it's honestly very sad. It's like pride, dignity, and shame have all vanished in favor of entitlement and expectation.
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This is especially entertaining after trying to talk down to me... which wasn't very effective after repeatedly begging and pouting that no one will root a random device. to make your life easier. You don't have real books, or a memory card or hard drive to back those up, and you seem to honestly see begging random people to spend their lives doing things for you a more reasonable choice than buying one of those or a more popular tablet or any with an existing path to root. It's pathetic. I'm not even trying to insult you, it's honestly very sad. It's like pride, dignity, and shame have all vanished in favor of entitlement and expectation.
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L0L, Kid dont you have any bussiness to do? If you do, please concentrate there.
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@Dr.Anshuman michael.johns03 is spot on. Your attitude is one of pure infantile and ignorant entitlement. I'm guessing you assume some people are just born with some kind of 'technical' gene? Which gives them the ability to do technical work effortlessly? And you unfortunately don't have that gene? It's just a 'snap of the fingers' for some people to do as you request?
News Flash Dr... no, you're wrong. Pull your head out of all of those vagina's, take a look around you, it's a different world than you think it is.
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@Dr.Anshuman michael.johns03 is spot on. Your attitude is one of pure infantile and ignorant entitlement. I'm guessing you assume some people are just born with some kind of 'technical' gene? Which gives them the ability to do technical work effortlessly? And you unfortunately don't have that gene? It's just a 'snap of the fingers' for some people to do as you request?
News Flash Dr... no, you're wrong. Pull your head out of all of those vagina's, take a look around you, it's a different world than you think it is.
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Man, you seriously need to see the posts again. I just posted couple of request , i did not abuse or wrong said any developer. And its was just 2-3 post in whole damn month. I dont understand what made you kids go off thread topic rather than helping and finding the way. God help you people.
Now stop here and Let me know if you find any way to root SM-595. If People are here to show attitude rather than developing , then better i should discontinue this thread.
Enough arguments.
Next time, please watch your language @Dr.Anshuman and be courteous towards other members, even if you disagree with them about something.
Thread closed.