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Ok so I love android and all of it's openness and mods. I like to modify all electronics that I have. But the only problem I have with it is that it isn't smooth. I have had an iPhone in the past and it was smooth. It just confuses me how 1ghz can lag on a mobile os. I guess this rant is to ask how do I smooth the edges. I've tried many roms and some were better than others. One major thing I want is when I unlock it, when I slide homescreen, and when I open the app drawer to be smooth. Any ideas settings roms?
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Read through a lot of threads, and understand that there isn't what you're looking for. You might try MIUI, people report it as smooth - never tried it personally. Also, for launcher use LauncherPro, it's smooth.
About the gigahertz stuff: CPU speed doesn't matter as much as SW does. And there is no "smoothness support" yet.
Android isn't smooth. It's powerful, though. Personally, I like the trade off.
jakeneal22 said:
Ok so I love android and all of it's openness and mods. I like to modify all electronics that I have. But the only problem I have with it is that it isn't smooth. I have had an iPhone in the past and it was smooth. It just confuses me how 1ghz can lag on a mobile os. I guess this rant is to ask how do I smooth the edges. I've tried many roms and some were better than others. One major thing I want is when I unlock it, when I slide homescreen, and when I open the app drawer to be smooth. Any ideas settings roms?
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delete all your apps, turn off all services, and it will run just like the iphone. kill every app after you use it. - that's what the iphone does.
You can tweak the internal task killer to speed up your phone. It takes some work and testing. This thread has the directions and explanations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622666
Geo411m's ROM has these tweaks built in and they work really well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7008637&highlight=internal+task+killer#post7008637
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You can tweak the internal task killer to speed up your phone. It takes some work and testing. This thread has the directions and explanations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622666
Geo411m's ROM has these tweaks built in and they work really well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7008637&highlight=internal+task+killer#post7008637
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This has been useless since Froyo. As I once researched and posted, Froyo kills the processes much earlier than Eclair (OOM=12 instead of 16) and considering the amount of memory on Nexus - you never get anywhere below 100MB free unless you run a super-heavy app, and those never stay in background.
Now these tweaks don't do a thing.
does power mean smoothness? I just don't get the concept of having a fast processor and not being smooth. I mean it is almost the same speed as my netbook... on a phone. It seems like that should be smooth. Maybe I'm asking for to much. But another thing I have seen videos of people on cyanogen and it is running smoothly with a live wallpaper. I have never got cyanogen to run smoothly for me even with a still wallpaper. Is there some magical setting everyone but me knows about?
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Read through a lot of threads, and understand that there isn't what you're looking for. You might try MIUI, people report it as smooth - never tried it personally. Also, for launcher use LauncherPro, it's smooth.
About the gigahertz stuff: CPU speed doesn't matter as much as SW does. And there is no "smoothness support" yet.
Android isn't smooth. It's powerful, though. Personally, I like the trade off.
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Power = ability to do things. Not CPU power, OS power.
Smoothness = frame rate of transitions between screens in UI. By most part, it's a result of heavy GPU utilization (which Android doesn't do stock) and programming that puts graphics as top priority (which isn't the case with Android). When CPU is made busy making beautiful graphics, it makes beautiful graphics. When it's not the main concern - it makes what it makes.
Again, you seem to be complaining about the launcher - otherwise you wouldn't bring this live wallpaper thing. So go download LauncherPro.
Folks go on about miui being smooth but personally I found it quite choppy at times, and this was most evident using the miui default launcher and comparing to say an iPhone 4, it looks very stuttery. Its better with launcherpro, but then you've lost half the reason for using it.
I am using cm6 and a theme (minimal matte fwiw ) and its very smooth and nice looking (and believe me I am very sensitive to, and loathe slow performance on a latest Gen phone).
Best compromise I've found yet on android.
I use the latest CM6 nightlies with Launcher Pro Plus and have a lot of widgets on my homescreen, smooth as butter.
I do remember the homescreen being a bit choppy when I ran 2.1 on my N1 though...
Have you messed with the performance settings? I hear that switching the performance setting to 24 instead of 34 helps. I'm not on cyanogen right now so I don't remember the exact setting but it is cyan settings then performance.
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I use the latest CM6 nightlies with Launcher Pro Plus and have a lot of widgets on my homescreen, smooth as butter.
I do remember the homescreen being a bit choppy when I ran 2.1 on my N1 though...
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Truth of the matter is, is that Android running as SMOOTH as an iPhone would be difficult, simply because the IOS operating system doesnt allow any applications to run in the background. Android has TONS of apps that run in the background, and its still smooth as hell if your running the right ROM.
In all honestly, as much as I LOVE enomther and cyan ROMS, MIUI is hands down the smoothest and fastest ROM I have ever used. Give it a shot. I promise that if you can get past the iPhonish look, you will LOVE the speed and fluidness of the ROM. I cant recommend it enough.
I have used the miui roms and they are awesome. But honestly I just feel like a sell out while running them.
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I have used the miui roms and they are awesome. But honestly I just feel like a sell out while running them.
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Lol. Why? Because it's iPhone-like? That's a pretty bad reason to not use a great rom...
Possibly I don't know. Do you suggest a bundle or do you suggest the original with langauge packs
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Original with launcher pro and language pack
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Possibly I don't know. Do you suggest a bundle or do you suggest the original with langauge packs
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The reason why even iPhone 3G's can feel "smoother" than Android phones at most times: hardware acceleration.
Ever since the 2G they've had a dedicated GPU which was used to its fullest in basic UI interactions. We see phones like the SGS with freak GPUs but Android doesn't allow full use of them.
Phandroid made that article on a supposed "Gingerbread" leak. They claim it will introduce hardware acceleration. Hopefully thats true and we'll never hear complaints about a laggy UI again!
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The reason why even iPhone 3G's can feel "smoother" than Android phones at most times: hardware acceleration.
Ever since the 2G they've had a dedicated GPU which was used to its fullest in basic UI interactions. We see phones like the SGS with freak GPUs but Android doesn't allow full use of them.
Phandroid made that article on a supposed "Gingerbread" leak. They claim it will introduce hardware acceleration. Hopefully thats true and we'll never hear complaints about a laggy UI again!
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Yup, most of the smoothness complaints is just hardware acceleration complaints. After gingerbread if it has hardware acceleration, we won't hear the laggy UI issue, we'll just hear the bandwagon "Fragmentation!"
I've finally got a smooth handset. I'm on latest cyanogen with intersect raven kernel overclocked to 1333. I'm very impressed and I'm finally enjoying this phone. Btw I'm using launcher pro to
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Hey XDA-ers!
BCVictory here! (Call me Bailey, my real name, if you want)
Ever since our beloved Nexus 7 came out there has been claims of people having problems with lag.
Especially since 4.2, the claim has gotten even more traction and it's more of an issue.
I'm here with some things you can do that may help fix/stop the lag.
But first, what is lag?
Lag is: Fall behind in movement, progress, or development; not keep pace with another or others.
So in Android the definition of that could mean: Falling behind in frame rate, not keeping up with or detecting your finger and not 'buttery' or 'smooth' (microstutters)
So now we know what lag is here is a few ways that people claim it stops/reduces the lag.
THIS ALL COULD BE PLACEBO!
ANDROID SETTINGS
Go into Settings
Under the System heading, go into 'About Tablet'
Tap 7 times on the Build Number
You should see Developer Options appear
In Developer Options
Turn these options on:
Disable HW Overlays
Force GPU Rendering
And change these options to either off or 0.5x
Window Animation Scale
Transition Animation Scale
Animator Duration Scale
APPS
Seeder
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lcis.seeder&hl=en
This app claims to:
Assist the kernel in "topping off" the entropy pool by re-seeding it with data from the non-blocking (high performance) random device. Optionally, it can also help alleviate MMC I/O contention by extending the I/O queue, allowing the I/O scheduler to make better decisions, and combine more writes.
On some devices, applications load significantly faster (particularly large ones like Facebook, Chrome, and Youtube), and task switching becomes effortless. Fewer visual "hiccups" occur.
Alot of the media and devs have said this app does not work but it does make this note:
This app does not increase raw performance, but rather eliminates some types of annoying lag (ie. applications briefly freezing, jerky scrolling, delays returning to the home screen, etc).
LagFix
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix
LagFix is a user-friendly implementation of fstrim utility. It allows you to select which partitions to trim (you should leave defaults unless you know what you are doing) and run the process easily.
Forever Gone
This app will fill your SD Card with many blank files(*.blank), then delete all of the *.blank files.
One of the main 'fixes' people say to fix the N7 lag is to delete some files to make sure the storage has at least 2GB's free.
This app has helped fix lag that relates to this problem without having to delete those files.
Greenify
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oasisfeng.greenify
Greenify help you identify and put the bad behaving apps into hibernation when you are not using them, stop them from lagging and battery leeching, in an unique way!
This app helps reduce the amount of rouge apps in the background and save RAM. It's not like a normal Task Manager, It does it automatically.
Pimp My Rom
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androguide.pimpmyrom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1908269
Pimp My Rom is an app that will allow you to choose between a plethora of tweaks, mods, hacks, features and apps to modify and improve your current rom. Pimp My Rom gives you alot of options to enable speed and battery saving tweaks therefore theoretically reducing lag.
FLASHABLE MODS / INIT.D SCRIPTS
Crossbreeder
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2113150
This is a new take at Android lag reduction. It's lightweight and won't consume battery. Users have reported drastic improvements in usability and even benchmark scores. It will show noticeable improvements on all Android devices from Donut to Froyo to Gingerbread to Honeycomb to ICS and Jellybean.
This is a combination of 5 different methodologies to reduce Android lag.
1. Removal of DNS lag
2. Change wakeup threshold kernel parameters so read blocks are released instantly and writes never wake up as we have an external entropy generator.
3. Modulate OS entropy levels for lag reduction. (Just like Seeder)
4. Remove /dev/random as it's blocking
5. Frandom support
Mitsuyoshi EXT4 Mod
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2280496
This removes the journal from all EXT4 partitions. This gives (on average) a 25% increase in system speed (due to the increased I/O rate)
V6 Supercharger
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
This claims to: Makes your phone/tablet FAST... super snappy with better multitasking! It rearranges and fixes the OOM Groupings and Priorites and lowmemorykiller values. So basically, it's a COMPLETE MEMORY MANAGEMENT FIX! NO LAUNCHER REDRAWS, faster than ever, multitasking is better... why? Because it works with the lowmemorykiller and letting it work the way it's meant to work.
Jay's Recipe for Buttery Goodness
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1946347
The script remounts /data and /cache with discard and noauto_da_alloc, disables fsync, enables a 128mb zRAM and set-ups a good, stable starting point for further modification. The result is a stable, considerably smoother multitasking powerhouse with overall better power management and performance.
INSTALL/CHANGE KERNEL - OVERCLOCKING
If you are running stock kernel or another kernel, it might be a good idea to try a new one.
One of these benefits is to overclock the CPU and/or GPU.
For my guide to the 'best' kernels for the Nexus 7 click here: N7 'Best' Kernel? (Performance & Battery Tests)
CHANGE LAUNCHER
If your launcher is the only thing that is lagging you might want to change it. There is a guide to the smoothest launchers at this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1899350
CHANGE ROM
If none of these tweaks aren't working or aren't enough for you, one of the last options is to change your ROM. There are lots of options out there so have a look around the Android Development and Original Development sections.
My personal favourites are Paranoid Android, P.A.C- Man, RasbeanJelly & SaberMod.
DOWNGRADE TO 4.1.x
If all of the above is not working try some of the older roms that use 4.1.x as their base.
WIPE EVERYTHING AND START FRESH
If absolutely nothing above works then it might be best to wipe everything and install a clean rom.
If any of these steps worked or didn't work for you, please vote in the poll above and also post below what did so you can help others.
If you find anything that helps or doesn't help reduce lag, please post it below.
If you found this helpful, give this post a thanks and give the people who made these tweaks a thanks too.
Reserved.
Sitting back and waiting....
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Great guide, I'm gonna try and use jays butter and cross breeder for now!
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Thanks for the comprehensive guide!
Can't say I've seen any lag on my N7. Maybe something in this mix would actually increase the performance of my N7?
I'll have to sit back and wait for any recommendations that might improve performance. But thankfully, no lag here.
This is pretty frikkin detailed. Good job.
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Would this work on other devices?
CuttyCZ said:
Would this work on other devices?
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Somethings will, if it is device specific, it depends what device you have
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In Developer Options
Turn these options on:
Force 4x MSAA
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What? :laugh:
You realize what MSAA is right? this will greatly reduce your frame rate while gaming.
darkchazz said:
What? :laugh:
You realize what MSAA is right? this will greatly reduce your frame rate while gaming.
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I will remove that
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Fixed
How about minimizing the number of apps that you have that run in the background and limit the number of widgets you have.
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What? :laugh:
You realize what MSAA is right? this will greatly reduce your frame rate while gaming.
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Either way it doesn't stick after reboot
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Greenify does the same like iOS does.
the only time i experience lag is after installing from the play store. any recommendations on how to fix this?
bobprobert said:
the only time i experience lag is after installing from the play store. any recommendations on how to fix this?
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I've always had that lag, I've never found a solution other than waiting a few seconds for it to settle.
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bobprobert said:
the only time i experience lag is after installing from the play store. any recommendations on how to fix this?
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Because the tegra 3 has low(ish) i/o
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Anyone use more than just one of the apps listed at same time?
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What about formatting file system to F2FS ?
F2FS has given me a new tablet.
Guys,
I need your opinion on something. I have this annoying thing that given my slight OCD is going to drive me crazy. It's this: scrolling in any app (main culprits are Facebook and Youtube) is simply not as smooth as on my OnePlus One. It has this stuttering effect which is not super obvious at first, but when the phones are next to each other the difference is highly noticeable.
What is your experience with scrolling in apps? Is it smooth as butter or do you also notice some stutter? Could I have a dud device? Anyway to find out?
Scrolling seems fine to me, but I'm not comparing it with something else side by side, and have no ocd...
Willyman said:
Guys,
I need your opinion on something. I have this annoying thing that given my slight OCD is going to drive me crazy. It's this: scrolling in any app (main culprits are Facebook and Youtube) is simply not as smooth as on my OnePlus One. It has this stuttering effect which is not super obvious at first, but when the phones are next to each other the difference is highly noticeable.
What is your experience with scrolling in apps? Is it smooth as butter or do you also notice some stutter? Could I have a dud device? Anyway to find out?
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That is my experience as well. A osprey based roms have slightly better in app scrolling. That Samsung browser is so bad that I had to stop using it.
Willyman said:
Guys,
I need your opinion on something. I have this annoying thing that given my slight OCD is going to drive me crazy. It's this: scrolling in any app (main culprits are Facebook and Youtube) is simply not as smooth as on my OnePlus One. It has this stuttering effect which is not super obvious at first, but when the phones are next to each other the difference is highly noticeable.
What is your experience with scrolling in apps? Is it smooth as butter or do you also notice some stutter? Could I have a dud device? Anyway to find out?
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I have ocd too and im very sensitive to lag and choppy scrolling. Completely agree. I have the oneplus one as well. Note 5 is faster everywhere but scrolling is not that smooth. YouTube is really choppy compared to other phones. My oneplus one's screen is much less responsive though. input lag everywhere so I would rather have the note 5's choppy scrolling instead.
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It's just bizarre really. This thing absolutely flies, it has power to spare, multitasking, Youtube, gaming ... but certain things are just not smooth.
Things I notice that bother me:
Scrolling in apps... Main culprits Youtube and Facebook
Pulling down notification shade... A subtle stutter
Scrolling through a long list op open apps... A small stutter in the beginning
It's small things, but it seems to have issues with refreshing graphics somehow. I don't know, I'm not knowledgeable enough. Unfortunately there is no root available yet for my model (N9200) so all I can do is wait I guess,
Willyman said:
It's just bizarre really. This thing absolutely flies, it has power to spare, multitasking, Youtube, gaming ... but certain things are just not smooth.
Things I notice that bother me:
Scrolling in apps... Main culprits Youtube and Facebook
Pulling down notification shade... A subtle stutter
Scrolling through a long list op open apps... A small stutter in the beginning
It's small things, but it seems to have issues with refreshing graphics somehow. I don't know, I'm not knowledgeable enough. Unfortunately there is no root available yet for my model (N9200) so all I can do is wait I guess,
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I have noticed all those except for the notification shade. I disabled a bunch of apps of course, including that Quick connect and the other thing that was up there all the time, so maybe that helped. I am seeing a ton of improvements in scrolling with all the apps I have disabled but not to where I would call it super smooth. For some reason scrolling in the browser is pretty smooth which is usually the place i see problems on other phones. It must have something to do with how touchwiz handles scrolling cache. If someone comes up with a mod to adjust it, that may almost be a big enough reason for me to root my phone.
rlsroufe said:
I have noticed all those except for the notification shade. I disabled a bunch of apps of course, including that Quick connect and the other thing that was up there all the time, so maybe that helped. I am seeing a ton of improvements in scrolling with all the apps I have disabled but not to where I would call it super smooth. For some reason scrolling in the browser is pretty smooth which is usually the place i see problems on other phones. It must have something to do with how touchwiz handles scrolling cache. If someone comes up with a mod to adjust it, that may almost be a big enough reason for me to root my phone.
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Thanks. Yeah, I've done the same (disabling apps etc...). It definitely not bad, but it's not as smooth as other Android phones I've used. Fast yes, perfectly smooth, no.
Updates seem to come quickly. I've had 2 already in 2 weeks. let's see. And with Android M around the corner, I'm sure in a few weeks/months things will be perfect.
Samsung have anyways had this issue with their phones. Never been butter smooth due to bloat ware mainly. No matter the specs phone lags and stutters, I think Samsung should ditch TW.
Note 5 is a fantastic looking phone but ui is concerning.
Utterly bizarre... Things have dramatically improved and I literally did nothing...
Willyman said:
Utterly bizarre... Things have dramatically improved and I literally did nothing...
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Still choppy over here. Did you get an update? Are you using international version?
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I'm so close to returning this, and getting the Nexus 6. I've tried every browser available, and I'm not sure if it's the 64-bit architecture or what, it's probably TouchWiz, I'm not sure. I compared it to my galaxy s5 and it's worse. Why is scrolling terrible? I hope somebody comes up with the fix, id bloated about everything I can, and factory reset.
black_shirt said:
I'm so close to returning this, and getting the Nexus 6. I've tried every browser available, and I'm not sure if it's the 64-bit architecture or what, it's probably TouchWiz, I'm not sure. I compared it to my galaxy s5 and it's worse. Why is scrolling terrible? I hope somebody comes up with the fix, id bloated about everything I can, and factory reset.
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Download Lightning Browser+ from the playstore. The paid version blocks all adds and the scrolling is very smooth. It's what I'm using on my Note 5.
rlsroufe said:
Still choppy over here. Did you get an update? Are you using international version?
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No update. Like I said, its all a bit bizarre. All I can say is that the two last charging cycles things are a lot better.
black_shirt said:
I'm so close to returning this, and getting the Nexus 6. I've tried every browser available, and I'm not sure if it's the 64-bit architecture or what, it's probably TouchWiz, I'm not sure. I compared it to my galaxy s5 and it's worse. Why is scrolling terrible? I hope somebody comes up with the fix, id bloated about everything I can, and factory reset.
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One thing I found works is to install Adguard (not in store, just google it). It will block ads and make scrolling in Chrome a lot better. The only annoying part I would say is a persistent VPN notification. Adguard uses a local VPN which results in a permanent notification. If you can live with that I found it to be pretty great.
Willyman said:
One thing I found works is to install Adguard (not in store, just google it). It will block ads and make scrolling in Chrome a lot better. The only annoying part I would say is a persistent VPN notification. Adguard uses a local VPN which results in a permanent notification. If you can live with that I found it to be pretty great.
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I thought it was just in my head but I gave adguard a try after some time of not using it and I thought it made the whole system faster. Still not 100% sure but things could be a tad smoother and more responsive in general. I'm trying to decide whether it's worth having it constantly running in the background and using chrome or just using lightning browser with its ad blocker built in.
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My AT&T version has no issue in scrolling - either in the UI or individual apps I use. I'll get some lag when scrolling fast in the Gallery or FlickFolio but that's because I'm scrolling faster than the thumbnails can load. That's an OS thing, not a h/w or UI thing. Overall the diet Samsung put TW and their own apps on has really paid off.
I'm starting to believe it has something to do with the last "performance increasing update " . I can see from other threads on here that not everyone is on it yet. I received it mid last week. I had another Note 5 before which I returned as it had an issue with the Screen. That one never got upgraded to that stage and was very smooth. This one I have now felt smooth as well, but think that it got worse with the upgrade. I'm now on the update captured in the screenshot. It ends in AHO4. The one before was AHO2.
Once I've figured out how to flash that version on there using Odin3, I will give that a shot and turn off automatic updates. To be continued...
Willyman said:
I'm starting to believe it has something to do with the last "performance increasing update " . I can see from other threads on here that not everyone is on it yet. I received it mid last week. I had another Note 5 before which I returned as it had an issue with the Screen. That one never got upgraded to that stage and was very smooth. This one I have now felt smooth as well, but think that it got worse with the upgrade. I'm now on the update captured in the screenshot. It ends in AHO4. The one before was AHO2.
Once I've figured out how to flash that version on there using Odin3, I will give that a shot and turn off automatic updates. To be continued...
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What was the issue with your screen?
WizeGuyDezignz said:
What was the issue with your screen?
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Discolourization.
Settings > Developer Options.
Window animation scale, Transition animation scale, Animator duration scale. Change all to "off". Has always seemed to speed up any Android device I've ever used.
So I'm fairly new to the Nexus 6, but I have had a Nexus 5 in the past (More recently coming from a Zenfone 2)..I've noticed that while applications open fairly quick on Marshmallow (Even the system UI is fairly smooth), I get a lot lag and jank in scrolling, and applications that work well on my girlfriend's 5x have poor performance on my 6.
Can anyone else relate to this? Apps like Pintrest, Instagram, Tumblr, Ebay, Amazon all aren't as smooth as they should be, and sometimes web browsing can be horrendous (Almost like a touch delay when scrolling).
I've tried clean wipes, flashed the stock images, tried non-stock roms, different kernels, everything I can think of, but to me, the phone just isnt as smooth as I thought it would be. I get that it's over a year old, but I still expected a bit more.
Am I alone here? Again, the UI itself is fine, its more application based \ scrolling based.
Well, the 6 and 5x have the same GPU, more or less. The 5x GPU is miniaturized, but otherwise identical.
The 5x has a 1920x1080 display, or roughly 2 million pixels.
The 6 has a 2560x1440 display..... 3.7 million pixels.
So, why would you possibly imagine that with the SAME GPU, but nearly TWICE the number of pixels, that the 6 would be able to produce the same graphical performance as the 5x?
*** UNREASONABLE EXPECTATIONS!!!
smokinjoe2122 said:
So I'm fairly new to the Nexus 6, but I have had a Nexus 5 in the past (More recently coming from a Zenfone 2)..I've noticed that while applications open fairly quick on Marshmallow (Even the system UI is fairly smooth), I get a lot lag and jank in scrolling, and applications that work well on my girlfriend's 5x have poor performance on my 6.
Can anyone else relate to this? Apps like Pintrest, Instagram, Tumblr, Ebay, Amazon all aren't as smooth as they should be, and sometimes web browsing can be horrendous (Almost like a touch delay when scrolling).
I've tried clean wipes, flashed the stock images, tried non-stock roms, different kernels, everything I can think of, but to me, the phone just isnt as smooth as I thought it would be. I get that it's over a year old, but I still expected a bit more.
Am I alone here? Again, the UI itself is fine, its more application based \ scrolling based.
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Have you tried turning off the encryption? When I came from the N5 I noticed the phone was not as smooth as the N5 until I turned the encryption off. Early on it made a big difference as they did not have NEON encryption optimizations enabled. Was that was enabled the difference was small but it is still noticeable to me between haveing the encryption running and not. It is not night and day but I think you will notice it.
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Well, the 6 and 5x have the same GPU, more or less. The 5x GPU is miniaturized, but otherwise identical.
The 5x has a 1920x1080 display, or roughly 2 million pixels.
The 6 has a 2560x1440 display..... 3.7 million pixels.
So, why would you possibly imagine that with the SAME GPU, but nearly TWICE the number of pixels, that the 6 would be able to produce the same graphical performance as the 5x?
*** UNREASONABLE EXPECTATIONS!!!
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I don't think expecting a phone that's a little over a year old, (That was a flagship mind you), to run smoothly is unreasonable. While it's pushing more pixels than the 5x, the processor should be quite similar, along with an extra GB of ram.
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Have you tried turning off the encryption? When I came from the N5 I noticed the phone was not as smooth as the N5 until I turned the encryption off. Early on it made a big difference as they did not have NEON encryption optimizations enabled. Was that was enabled the difference was small but it is still noticeable to me between haveing the encryption running and not. It is not night and day but I think you will notice it.
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I am running a modified stock ROM now that has encryption turned off, and it is a little better, but unfortunately you're right, it's not night and day.
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So I'm fairly new to the Nexus 6, but I have had a Nexus 5 in the past (More recently coming from a Zenfone 2)..I've noticed that while applications open fairly quick on Marshmallow (Even the system UI is fairly smooth), I get a lot lag and jank in scrolling, and applications that work well on my girlfriend's 5x have poor performance on my 6.
Can anyone else relate to this? Apps like Pintrest, Instagram, Tumblr, Ebay, Amazon all aren't as smooth as they should be, and sometimes web browsing can be horrendous (Almost like a touch delay when scrolling).
I've tried clean wipes, flashed the stock images, tried non-stock roms, different kernels, everything I can think of, but to me, the phone just isnt as smooth as I thought it would be. I get that it's over a year old, but I still expected a bit more.
Am I alone here? Again, the UI itself is fine, its more application based \ scrolling based.
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I have none of these issues on my 6
Go in developer options and try to turn off all animation transitions, that improved speed for me
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So I'm fairly new to the Nexus 6, but I have had a Nexus 5 in the past (More recently coming from a Zenfone 2)..I've noticed that while applications open fairly quick on Marshmallow (Even the system UI is fairly smooth), I get a lot lag and jank in scrolling, and applications that work well on my girlfriend's 5x have poor performance on my 6.
Can anyone else relate to this? Apps like Pintrest, Instagram, Tumblr, Ebay, Amazon all aren't as smooth as they should be, and sometimes web browsing can be horrendous (Almost like a touch delay when scrolling).
I've tried clean wipes, flashed the stock images, tried non-stock roms, different kernels, everything I can think of, but to me, the phone just isnt as smooth as I thought it would be. I get that it's over a year old, but I still expected a bit more.
Am I alone here? Again, the UI itself is fine, its more application based \ scrolling based.
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I've had my Nexus for 13 months. (Purchased in February 2015). I've rooted and run various ROMs on the device over the last year. Since I have the Next plan with AT&T I've been planning on upgrading soon so a couple weeks ago I went back to unrooted stock. Since then I've been having the same issues you mention. I don't have a 5x to compare to, but it is definitely lagging a lot more than before. Last night I was trying to view something on Amazon, and it just sat there with a white screen. Many times my keyboard stays floating above the homescreen when I press the "home" softkey, or stays floating after I am done typing in Facebook, messenger etc. It just LAGS big time. Also the battery drain has been horrendous. I've been getting so PO'd at it I've been tempted to go get a Note (GASP!) Last night was the last straw I uninstalled swiftkey (been a avid user for years never an issue) and the CM Locker I had installed so I could have a different lock screen photo (since I'm no longer rooted). I'm giving it 24 hours, and if it is still acting up, I am either re-rooting or upgrading (although there's like NOTHING that I like right now for devices).
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Go in developer options and try to turn off all animation transitions, that improved speed for me
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I just did that. Hopefully that helps with my issue too.
Well, mine is mostly related to the jank when scrolling through applications. The UI, keyboard, ect all works fine. However, The worst is browsing web sites with chrome - I can flick to scroll up and there almost seems to be a second delay sometimes. I've never experienced anything like that before. Also when when using apps such as twitter, amazon, ebay, ect, the scrolling is really bad - Worse than my Zenfone 2.
Again, I've fastboot flash'd the complete stock rom multiple times, tried various kernels\modded roms, ect. They all display this behavior, some worse than others.
I love the size, screen quality, and build of this phone, but for a phone that's last year's Google flagship, I find the performance horrible.
Try turn off animations anyway, you don't have to be rooted, unlocked, yust tap build number 7 times, back to settings/ developer options and put to 0 trazitions, animations,animator..and optionally reboot.
smokinjoe2122 said:
Well, mine is mostly related to the jank when scrolling through applications. The UI, keyboard, ect all works fine. However, The worst is browsing web sites with chrome - I can flick to scroll up and there almost seems to be a second delay sometimes. I've never experienced anything like that before. Also when when using apps such as twitter, amazon, ebay, ect, the scrolling is really bad - Worse than my Zenfone 2.
Again, I've fastboot flash'd the complete stock rom multiple times, tried various kernels\modded roms, ect. They all display this behavior, some worse than others.
I love the size, screen quality, and build of this phone, but for a phone that's last year's Google flagship, I find the performance horrible.
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Have to say, I have none of those issues as someone else also stated. If it does the same on stock, it might be hardware related. How does the phone behave in recovery? Is scrolling as normal? What recovery are you using? And when you say you went back to stock, did you do a complete factory reset including deleting all your personal data? If so, you can also try re-locking your bootloader and unlocking it and then flash factory image from Google. That will also erase everything off your device, including personal data.
With thousands of people here on XDA using a Nexus 6, your issue seems to be specific to you and your device. Maybe it is a screen/digitizer issue.
Seemed to me the February build was slow and janky but the the March was back to normal performance for me, op didn't state what build you were on. Might be an option
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Seemed to me the February build was slow and janky but the the March was back to normal performance for me, op didn't state what build you were on. Might be an option
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I'm on the March build. I usually fastboot flash every img myself, then do a factory reset in recovery when trying to get back to stock..This time I just used the Flash-All.bat for the March image and I'll do some testing. I doubt this method is the difference, I'm grasping at straws. I'm semi concerned now if no one else is having these issues...Or maybe my expectations are just too high.
Perhaps I'll try a screen recording app and see if I can capture what I'm running into. It's not all apps, and it's not all the time, but its definitely noticeable.
you're not alone. i recently picked up a ZTE zmax 2 and did a side by side app load speed test. the ZTE zmax 2 loaded up youtube noticeably faster, had thumbnails faster, and played faster when clicking play. the zmax 2 is a midrange ATT phone with Snapdragon 410, 2gb ram, 720p screen. it costs $99 at best buy today..
I've noticed this too between my Nexus 6 (purchased 4/2015) and my wife's Nexus 6 (purchased 10/2015). Hers is noticeably smoother.
I do have occasional screen tearing on mine when I use certain kernel/ROMs, so maybe it's janky hardware.
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I know the frustration, for me it is kernel related, but we cant do nothing, we need new device tree by google. I'm really disappointed that g3 has QHD screen with 801 and is smoother than nexus 6 with 805
fedef12evo said:
I know the frustration, for me it is kernel related, but we cant do nothing, we need new device tree by google. I'm really disappointed that g3 has QHD screen with 801 and is smoother than nexus 6 with 805
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My wifey has a G3 and I can't agree. When she is using my phone, she is always amazed how fluid it is.
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My wifey has a G3 and I can't agree. When she is using my phone, she is always amazed how fluid it is.
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Is your wife g3 on 6.0 marshmellow?
Flashing stock over again really didn't do much for performance. I Did however root it, and increase the GPU clock (Actually set it to performance idles at 300mhz then shoots to 600hmz), and that does seem to help. I can sacrifice battery for better performance in this instance.
Have to agree, at around the end of the day (by 40% battery) my phone slows down. I went pure stock. A quick reboot fixes it. But a tad frustrating
So just messing around with my 4 XL today, I have the Smooth Display enabled, and honestly just don't see a big difference between my 3 XL, as far as scrolling websites, or moving up down in Contacts or Google Feed panel.
But I then went to Developer Options, and enabled the Force 90hz option, and tried going through those same things again, and then I noticed it, everything did actually feel smoother and bit faster. But that's supposed to be a huge battery drain leaving that on.
My question, is Smooth Display not really working or allowing websites to be shown in 90hz?
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So just messing around with my 4 XL today, I have the Smooth Display enabled, and honestly just don't see a big difference between my 3 XL, as far as scrolling websites, or moving up down in Contacts or Google Feed panel.
But I then went to Developer Options, and enabled the Force 90hz option, and tried going through those same things again, and then I noticed it, everything did actually feel smoother and bit faster. But that's supposed to be a huge battery drain leaving that on.
My question, is Smooth Display not really working or allowing websites to be shown in 90hz?
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A better question would be, were those apps stuttery to begin with? If they weren't, then the 90hz is working properly, IMO. It will only kick in when it is really needed. I think that's what they were trying to accomplish with it. But from what I have heard, the latency caused from going from one app that uses 90hz back to 60 and vice versa, can be a little choppy at times. Probably why they gave us the option to enable all the time. Just in case their initial smooth display offering isn't so smooth. I'm sure it will get better over time.
Brownlee and a couple others have stated the smooth display is buggy and will sometimes get stuck at 60.
Are people just gonna force 90hz in Developer Options for now, until a monthly security update fixes Smooth Display? Or is that a major battery hit?
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Are people just gonna force 90hz in Developer Options for now, until a monthly security update fixes Smooth Display? Or is that a major battery hit?
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How would anyone be able to answer this today?
You know, you could just try it out and see the battery impact for yourself.
Brownlee said he had done just that and the word he used for the battery life after was "obliterate" which is a long way from good or even ok as a descriptor. He did say he was going to keep it that way so it wasn't a deal breaker in his use. Would have been nice if he quantified that with some actual numbers but it's all I've seen so far. The tech has been in their portfolio for quite some time, my hope is they just need to tune it up somewhat.
Man I'm not forcing 90hz. I seriously notice a big difference without it. No need for me.
Yeah he said obliterate but he uses his phone with max brightness all the time and using tons of social media. Everyones usage style is different. So got to take those reviewers with a grain of salt and see how your usage is.
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Yeah he said obliterate but he uses his phone with max brightness all the time and using tons of social media. Everyones usage style is different. So got to take those reviewers with a grain of salt and see how your usage is.
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Exactly, this is why I said I wished he would have quantified it, if I knew what he got and how he got it I can make something of it. As is there is little that can be gleaned from it other than it is most def worse. In fact that review was fairly rushed in feel which puts him in good company, there was clearly a lot of people that wanted to get the review out the door quick and I saw many factual errors, omissions, judgments made with little perspective, etc. I understand it's part of the game but it doesn't help us on our end.
I saw a reddit post which stated there is a bug where if the screen brightness is below 75%, 90hz is disabled....
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixe...s_it_look_like_smooth_display_is_turning_off/
Nice find!
deadlast_28 said:
I saw a reddit post which stated there is a bug where if the screen brightness is below 75%, 90hz is disabled....
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixe...s_it_look_like_smooth_display_is_turning_off/
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Interesting. Nice find.
deadlast_28 said:
I saw a reddit post which stated there is a bug where if the screen brightness is below 75%, 90hz is disabled....
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixe...s_it_look_like_smooth_display_is_turning_off/
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Well 90htz is a complete waste of time and cost, if brightness has to be over 75%.
My phone's always around 60% screen brightness.
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"Waste of time and cost," because the dynamic doesn't work properly? FFS. If it makes you feel any better, OP didn't even attempt a switch, it's just forced all the time by default. Which, in affect is what you need to do to make this work. Is that a perfect solution, ofc not and I have no doubt that google will fix it. But FFS, quit sh*tting on Google. Either, you bought the device and are now feeling buyers regret, or you're just a troll. Either case, both scenarios will pass...
I would think Google will fix this 90hz bug needing brightness to be above 75%. I expect the next few monthly security updates to have a lot of bug fixes.
It's not like Pixel phones only ones that launch with IS issues, new iPhone's have been known to launch with buggy iOS versions, takes a month or so for them to be ironed out by Apple.
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"Waste of time and cost," because the dynamic doesn't work properly? FFS. If it makes you feel any better, OP didn't even attempt a switch, it's just forced all the time by default. Which, in affect is what you need to do to make this work. Is that a perfect solution, ofc not and I have no doubt that google will fix it. But FFS, quit sh*tting on Google. Either, you bought the device and are now feeling buyers regret, or you're just a troll. Either case, both scenarios will pass...
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Zerokool76..
Irony.... I wasn't ****ting on Google. Get a sense of humour..
My point was simple... If 90htz only works when your screen brightness is above 75%, then it's pretty useless....
And yes I know Google will release a patch to rectify, just like they did with the pixel 2 and the muted colours....
The real irony is another year, another pixel launch and another screen problem !!! Again software just like pixel 2..
Oh and let's not forget the patch that dropped screen brightness to prevent screen burn on pixel 2...
Of course Google will issue a patch..
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Zerokool76..
Irony.... I wasn't ****ting on Google. Get a sense of humour..
My point was simple... If 90htz only works when your screen brightness is above 75%, then it's pretty useless....
And yes I know Google will release a patch to rectify, just like they did with the pixel 2 and the muted colours....
The real irony is another year, another pixel launch and another screen problem !!! Again software just like pixel 2..
Oh and let's not forget the patch that dropped screen brightness to prevent screen burn on pixel 2...
Of course Google will issue a patch..
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While I agree about the screen issues, I refer you to what I had said about OP. Their devices are forced 90hz constantly. So, in affect, at this point, that is our only option to make 90hz work at higher brightnesses. Which makes it exactly like a OP device. So, it's technically not a waste of money if you can't use it above 75%, because you can. You have to force it, but it works. That's all I'm saying
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While I agree about the screen issues, I refer you to what I had said about OP. Their devices are forced 90hz constantly. So, in affect, at this point, that is our only option to make 90hz work at higher brightnesses. Which makes it exactly like a OP device. So, it's technically not a waste of money if you can't use it above 75%, because you can. You have to force it, but it works. That's all I'm saying
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You're on fire ?lol
I get what your saying.
It's just a fail that you have to go into developer settings...as for 90htz, I doubt if id have noticed it working or not being honest !!
I personally think whilst the pixel 4 is an upgrade over my 2xl, I personally don't think it's a big enough update and some updates imho are a waste of time..
Face unlock.. the finger print sensor worked brilliantly and was in exactly the correct position on the phone.
Soli. Time will tell whether it's a gimic.
Camera..
When the 2 came out, Google were shouting from the roof tops about the highest ever dxmark for the camera.
The p4 camera has improved no doubt, but it's no longer king..
Personally, I'd have kept the finger print scanner. It's a very strong biometric and it worked brilliantly.
A bigger battery. What are Google thinking ?
Bigger MP camera sensor... What could Google do with the latest 48mp sensors and their computer Voodoo witchcraft
An unbreakable screen like the motorola force phones... These phones are getting increasingly expensive..
The 2 tone coloured back.. bring it back. The p4 back is now just like every other phone manufacturers now.
2 steps forward and one back with the p4 I think it's a fair comment
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