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Nexus 4 camera vs iphone 5

hey guys you know that both of these phones are pretty good.so lets see if the cameras are the same too.
To see the comparison,go here:http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/12/04/nexus-4-vs-iphone-5-camera-shootout/

The camera isn't that bad and it can only become better, thanks to google's updates

The Zel said:
The camera isn't that bad and it can only become better, thanks to google's updates
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Okay, i honestly thought the iphone 5 is miles ahead camera wise. Guess i was wrong, comparison makes me more than satisfied with the output.

The Iphone 5 Camera isn´t better, you can´t rely on such comparisons because you could so easily manipulate them in a way you like. After you had both smartphones in your hand you can decide which suites you better. But in the end its a phone which isn´t made for taking hq pics, like all other smartphones as well.

im just annoyed with the pinkish purple tinting in photos

Never owned iPhone so didn't know it was so close to Nexus 4 in camera department.
All iPhone does it add punch to certain colors like green to make the photo look good. Nexus 4 on the other hand had more accurate colors. Especially the first photo where sky color was pretty accurate with Nexus 4 where as iPhone have it purplish tinge
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I own both phones, iP5 and N4 and the iP5 camera is much better no question about it.

I think our camera blows. Only cuz low light is horrible.it's the same as the galaxy nexus.but I can't complain since the price is half an iPhone.
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The iPhone 5 suffers from horrible purple fringing when faced directly at the sun (or another source of light). Apple won't come up with a recall, just expect a fix once the 5s comes out.

The camera on the iphone 5 is better, its one of the best cameras out there on a phone.

tvdang7 said:
I think our camera blows. Only cuz low light is horrible.it's the same as the galaxy nexus.but I can't complain since the price is half an iPhone.
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+1 My wife's Galaxy S4 makes me wanna cry. And to the point about phones not taking HQ pics, today's phones are without a doubt the next generation of point and shoot. We NEVER take our camera anywhere anymore unless we just happened to remember it. Now there's phones coming with 41 megapixel and great lenses. Cameras are becoming more important as we shift to this digital lifestyle. I for one wish we had a little better camera. But it works for me..... For now.
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sweet I can compare to phone I will nver touch or want

I think the only reason iPhone camera *might* arguably produce better looking pictures is because of apples software which automatically adds a bunch of effects for the iSheep. I can just take a pic and edit it with default editor and I bet it would look better than iPhone s pics.
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I remember having an iPhone and the camera is way better than the current Nexus 4 camera. Still room for improvement!

You also have to consider the price of the device out-right... N4 is a much cheaper phone using parts not has expensive as the iPhone5... if you take that into consideration, N4 puts up a good fight..
So if you compare it strickly on hardware without factor in price, there is no comparison the iPhone5 will be a better device...

Lots of Apple haters.. Then again it is XDA. Personally, and from a photographer's standpoint, my iPhone 4S took better images and videos than my Nexus. More specifically in low light situations. Can't see how the Nexus would also take better images than the iPhone 5. Because that would mean the Nexus takes better pictures than the Galaxy S4. Either way, I'm not saying our camera on or phone is terrible, but it most definitely isn't in the conversation of being in the top 3, and possibly not in the top 5.

As an owner of iPhone 4s, user of iPhone 5s and a new owner of Nexus 4, I'd say both iPhones have superior cameras in terms of image quality and colors. Nexus 4 has seems to have a faster camera though, and while the image quality isn't top, it is still quite good. Why would you expect a better camera on a much cheaper device anyway?

The issue I have with the N4 is that the pics look good in preview mode sat using up a quarter of the desktop screen but if you go full size...whoahhhhhhhhh. Noise noise noise.:silly:
I've tried several different camera apps (even one that will take 8MP 12MB .PNG shots) and the result is the same for all of them, just noisy full size shots, even in bright sunlight. So the issue with the N4's camera isn't compression at the file output stage it's somewhere earlier in the chain.
Colour balance is good though.
Someone really needs to hack that camera but I fear it may be a hardware limitation.

Fille84 said:
The camera on the iphone 5 is better, its one of the best cameras out there on a phone.
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its behind s4 camera, not even talking about Lumia 920/925/1020. But again any phone looks like toy agaisnt Lumia cameras...

Personally from my experience all Nexus phones have come with crappy cameras. The problem is the company doesn't implement a really good camera for the Nexus which is beyond me. Even though it's an 8mp camera my note 2 takes way better still images as well as videos.
For instance on this phone when recording a video you can't click the screen to focus in on whatever your recording, instead it just takes a picture which is stupid. Quality isn't great.
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[Q] Camera Update Questions

I've seen a few comparisons on the Moto X, pre and post update online. I had one for a few weeks pre-update (Verizon...), and the camera was really the main reason I ended up ditching it. So I have a couple of questions for anybody that has the update:
I've seen a few post-update comparisons to the likes of the HTC One, and it still has a blown out look at times... but I wanted to hear from actual owners of the device before making a judgment call, since most people don't walk around comparing with 2 or 3 other devices
Did the software update also improve the videos?
What about usability - I know it said it was going to speed up auto-focus, navigation, etc., but did it really? Or is it not really noticeable?
Flash performance - improved at all? Or still slow and very blown out?
Thanks!
edit: reading things like this is what's making me hesitate to jump back on the bandwagon just yet

It still has some blowout issues but not nearly as bad as before. That is just an issue with the rgbc sensor. That's the same reason Sony stopped using similar tech in their phones.
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Little bit disappointing that the camera is still not quite up to par with the iPhone or S4. Might wait to see how the Nexus 5 compares.
I don't need absolute perfect pictures (it is a phone after all) but blowing out white pictures is a noticeable problem.

It looks good with well lit photos but dark photos still look awful. It's probably a better camera than the HTC One I'm coming from, the compromises are just different
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bpschoon said:
It looks good with well lit photos but dark photos still look awful. It's probably a better camera than the HTC One I'm coming from, the compromises are just different
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So you aren't getting the white fuzzy issues in daylight pictures?

My camera actually has no issues at all. Light or dark since the update
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So you aren't getting the white fuzzy issues in daylight pictures?
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No. The daylight photos look great. Really clear with excellent color accuracy.
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bpschoon said:
No. The daylight photos look great. Really clear with excellent color accuracy.
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Good to hear. kind of conflicting reports but the positive ones seem more common.

It seems to me they adjusted the contrast and saturation more than anything else, mostly for the positive. I think the sensors or optics they used just aren't up to par, in general, compared to the likes of the 5, S4, etc. Has anybody noticed any pickup in overall speed, both in general, and with the shutter?
The other thing I've noticed is this - these phones touting larger pixels all tend to blow out whites and struggle with balance from time to time. The HTC One does it, the X did (and still does to a point it appears, but not as bad now?), and I've been trying out an iPhone 5S for a bit now, and even it does it as well - but the processor plus software really helps keep it in check 95% of the time.

First Day with Nexus 5 -- my impressions

I was lucky enough to get my Nexus 5 earlier today. Here are my first impressions. Please share yours!
My first thought was, when compared to my Nexus 4, is that the Nexus 5 is really light! Almost too light in my opinion.
The screen is beautiful. Its crisp and big. While the bezels are small, its not LG G2 small. Which disappointed me a bit. I'm pinning for an actual "edge to edge" display.
The soft rubber grip and slightly contoured back makes the phone feel better in the hand than my Nexus 4 did. Holding the phone almost feels like holding the Droid DNA a bit. But smaller.
The touch screen is a lot more sensitive than the Nexus 4. And the xda app likes to crash under kit Kat :-/
I'm annoyed at the IMEI sticker on the back. I feel like its going to peel away in a few days.
It doesn't torque in your hands like a cheap Samsung galaxy S3/S4. The build quality feels great. Almost like an HTC phone.
I would much rather have a metal band around the outside instead of rubberized plastic, but that's just me.
The Nexus 5 fits nicely on the Nexus 4 charging orb. When placing it on the orb, the bottom of the Nexus 5 rests on the countertop. No random phone slide offs like the Nexus 4,
Kit Kat is FAST! The keyboard is great. Probably due a lot to a much more responsive screen.
Most apps are working fine...but xda app crashes a lot. I suppose that's to be expected.
The battery life seems okay. I always am placing my phone on a charger, so I can't say I'm that great of a judge of battery life.
LTE performance with T-Mobile is the same between Nexus 4 and Nexus 5. I'm planning on switching back to sprint tomorrow....I had sprint for a few years. I went from the Evo LTE to the Nexus 4 on T-Mobile.
The camera...I'm a bit unimpressed so far. I was expecting a fast burst style. Like I had on my Evo LTE. Trying to take pictures of a 19 month old is tricky. I had a bunch of blurred photos.
Those are my day 1 impressions. What's everyone else's?
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The imei sticker is supposed to be removed.

sounds about good , my only concern is the battery life , there are many threads about this with some contradictory info .

difyel said:
sounds about good , my only concern is the battery life , there are many threads about this with some contradictory info .
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It's all different because everyone uses their phone differently. You can't judge how good your battery life will be based off of how someone else uses their phone. Wait for yours to come in and try it out.. it's the only way to figure it out for yourself :good:

Honestly, I am pretty disappointed Perhaps it is just my unit but the bottom left corner, where the phone rests naturally in my palm, is rather sharp and already I stopped playing with it because my hand got uncomfortable. Furthermore, I am really really missing the plastic buttons on the Nexus 4. They were smooth, soft and comfortable to rest my fingers on. These ceramic buttons have very sharp edges and the volume button, which I tend to rest my fingers on, feels really uncomfortable to me like it is going to cut my finger. These words are way too harsh but not inaccurate. Am I alone on this?
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The imei sticker is supposed to be removed.
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How? It seems pretty well stuck on there.. I don't want to start scratching at it to get it off only to find it wasn't supposed to be removed and leaves a nasty residue or even worse scratches the plastic.

Good to know about the camera. I have an 18 month and I was worried about the photo quality. Aosp ROMs always had blurry pics while TW camera on my Note 3 manages to get great shots with motion. I haven't taken my N5 out of the box yet, as I have someone wanting to trade me an LG G2 for it. This just confirms that I'm going to do that trade!
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msponsler said:
And the xda app likes to crash under kit Kat :-/
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I had a couple app issues too. Taptu borked when I first installed and I had to reboot the phone.
It will take a few weeks for developers to get their app 4.4 compatible

I feel a little disappointed. I went from a Nexus 4 to this and I guess I'm having trouble seeing past the amazing that the jump from a GNEX to a Nexus 4 was. I like the bigger screen and the overall lightness. Battery is to be determine. I might be imagining this, but I feel the speakers on the Nexus 4 are much better. The back speaker is much louder and clear and the front is much clearer as well. Anyone else feel this way? Maybe I haven't spent enough time with the Nexus 5 to fully appreciate everything and maybe the introduction of custom roms will help.

iDoc21 said:
Good to know about the camera. I have an 18 month and I was worried about the photo quality. Aosp ROMs always had blurry pics while TW camera on my Note 3 manages to get great shots with motion. I haven't taken my N5 out of the box yet, as I have someone wanting to trade me an LG G2 for it. This just confirms that I'm going to do that trade!
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Yea... but from what a lot of people are saying, the G2's camera isn't all rainbows and unicorns, either.

It may not be kit kat causing the crashes. XDA for me lately has been crashing all the time. It seems like some posts I can't click on with out it crashing while others work just fine. Just an FYI. And this is with a S4 running CM10.2
Thanks for the review.
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xda has been crashing on my s4 recently

twoeleven99 said:
xda has been crashing on my s4 recently
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My HTC One also, just since yesterday.
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Please could you do a simple Touchscreen+Audio Latency test? So many reviews appearing around the web but none have tested Latency. Apparently the touchscreen on the Nexus 5 is pretty good so I hope it performs well.
For the people interested in the Nexus 5 for realtime music creation this is info we desperately need.
Anyway here is how to do a simple test:
Install a musical app, either drumming or keyboard.
Install a sound recording app,
Start recording audio and give the screen a good tap in the musical app, this way both the "tap" and resulting drum or keyboard sound will get recorded.
Open that saved .wav up in audacity then zoom in and observe the visual audio waveforms then measure the distance between the TAP and the sound actually playing using the timeline.
On my devices I was getting around 175ms if the particular music app used the "Sound Pool" class or 250+ if using "Audio Track" I'm running android 4.2. Anything under 100ms would start to be useful anything under 50ms would be amazing given googles track record in this area.

ianmere said:
Please could you do a simple Touchscreen+Audio Latency test? So many reviews appearing around the web but none have tested Latency. Apparently the touchscreen on the Nexus 5 is pretty good so I hope it performs well.
For the people interested in the Nexus 5 for realtime music creation this is info we desperately need.
Anyway here is how to do a simple test:
Install a musical app, either drumming or keyboard.
Install a sound recording app,
Start recording audio and give the screen a good tap in the musical app, this way both the "tap" and resulting drum or keyboard sound will get recorded.
Open that saved .wav up in audacity then zoom in and observe the visual audio waveforms then measure the distance between the TAP and the sound actually playing using the timeline.
On my devices I was getting around 175ms if the particular music app used the "Sound Pool" class or 250+ if using "Audio Track" I'm running android 4.2. Anything under 100ms would start to be useful anything under 50ms would be amazing given googles track record in this area.
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I did this...not sure if I did it correctly. I've uploaded a pic and the .wav file for you to look at. I'm not this granular about the sound/feedback! The .png pic file is a zoom in of the tap and the actual music playing.
Attached the .png of audacity (picked it best I could) and the .wav file in a .zip file (stupid xda attachment restrictions!)

iDoc21 said:
Good to know about the camera. I have an 18 month and I was worried about the photo quality. Aosp ROMs always had blurry pics while TW camera on my Note 3 manages to get great shots with motion. I haven't taken my N5 out of the box yet, as I have someone wanting to trade me an LG G2 for it. This just confirms that I'm going to do that trade!
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For camera, I'd go Sony Xperia Z / Sony Xperia Z1 (mini) or HTC One.
My wife is still using an HTC Evo 4G LTE (HTC One X version for Sprint) and the pictures are really good off of that phone. She gets great pics of our 19 month old with that phone.
I don't know that LG G2 camera would beat any of the three phones i mentioned above.

Carver1 said:
It's all different because everyone uses their phone differently. You can't judge how good your battery life will be based off of how someone else uses their phone. Wait for yours to come in and try it out.. it's the only way to figure it out for yourself :good:
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Lol you sure it wasn't me?! We're both in the same city and i've been hitting people up. Who knows
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msponsler said:
I did this...not sure if I did it correctly. I've uploaded a pic and the .wav file for you to look at. I'm not this granular about the sound/feedback! The .png pic file is a zoom in of the tap and the actual music playing.
Attached the .png of audacity (picked it best I could) and the .wav file in a .zip file (stupid xda attachment restrictions!)
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Thanks so much!!, that has provided us with some very good info, your test was perfect, I could clearly hear and see the TAP's and the resulting notes. All you had to do it zoom in audacity to see the waveforms and make the measurements.
I also had a audio file from a Xperia Z1, so I put them head to head:
The results of total latency (Touchscreen+Audio) :
Xperia Z1 android 4.3 180ms
Nexus 5 android 4.4 102ms
One question, what application did you use? There are two popular ways to playback sound, one is OpenSL ES audio, another is SoundPool,
for OpenSL ES audio you can use the app called "Music Synthesizer for Android" it is made my someone working at Google they have made all the optimizations to playback sound as fast as possible, or you could try my app haha: "Tablet Drums" at the moment I'm using "SoundPool" I will swap to OpenSL ES audio too if the results are better.
Anyway thanks very much the results are good enough to persuade me to purchase a nexus 5 too.

Just got the phone today and the experience is not good so far... Came from the N4 and I do think this is a let down.
1. The back sticker? Seriously, Google?
2. The icons are so big. Maybe its normal for all 5" inch phones, but looks not normal to me. They look stretched.
3. What was the fuzz about the KitKat? Was that really needed? All I see is a few updated apps.
4. The display looks bad. Worse viewing angles than on the N4 and blacks as well. Everything looks washed out on it.
5. I purchased the OEM bumper and that's a total Google ripoff. Feels more like a $19.99 product, but definitely not the $34.99. The phone looks good in hand, but once you put it into a bumper it kills it. Makes the phone bulky as hell.
6. The speaker. It does the job, but it goes through the whole phone.
7. I don't care about the spec, the N5 basically brings nothing on the table except for the LTE support that was needed. Glad Google didn't hold the event, otherwise would have been a disaster.

For all those experiencing bad screen compared to nexus 4, the nexus 5 screen is uncalibrated, or calibrated poorly. Faux said that kernel rgb control should be possible, so it shouldn't be much longer until we get better picture. BTW, I think the actual LCD panel inside of this is very similar, if not the same, as the G2. Its just the calibration and software saturation LG implemented on the G2 to make it look like that.
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Just got the phone today and the experience is not good so far... Came from the N4 and I do think this is a let down.
1. The back sticker? Seriously, Google?
2. The icons are so big. Maybe its normal for all 5" inch phones, but looks not normal to me. They look stretched.
3. What was the fuzz about the KitKat? Was that really needed? All I see is a few updated apps.
4. The display looks bad. Worse viewing angles than on the N4 and blacks as well. Everything looks washed out on it.
5. I purchased the OEM bumper and that's a total Google ripoff. Feels more like a $19.99 product, but definitely not the $34.99. The phone looks good in hand, but once you put it into a bumper it kills it. Makes the phone bulky as hell.
6. The speaker. It does the job, but it goes through the whole phone.
7. I don't care about the spec, the N5 basically brings nothing on the table except for the LTE support that was needed. Glad Google didn't hold the event, otherwise would have been a disaster.
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1. What's wrong with that sticker? Do you guys leave it on the phone? Just peel it off!
2. Use a custom launcher.
3. When you just see "a few updated apps" then you didn't really use KitKat yet.
4. Perhaps I am lucky but my display is great. I don't check viewing angles... who looks on his phone from the side. Other than that I really like the colours.
7. If you don't care about specs then why did you get the N5 anyways?
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I used to have a N4, compared to that, this phone is a stupid piece of....

...amazing hardware! I got my N5 a couple of days ago (bought at launch hour, used comGateway to forward it to India, takes time ) and so far I've been playing with it non-stop (have a few exams prep leaves ), and here are my impressions so far.
My background: I'm a huge Nexus fanboy, I own (or have owned) every Nexus device with the exception of Nexus Q and currently possess fully working Galaxy Nexus (16GB), Nexus 4 (16GB), Nexus 7 (2012, 16GB) and Nexus 7 (2013, 32GB) all bought more or less at launch along with a Galaxy Note and Galaxy S2. My device before was my N4 bought at launch and it was great, but I can't simply skip my temptation to get the new N5, so I did. I don't care about the price, I can very well afford a phone far more expensive. I buy Nexus devices because I love the pure stock experience they bring, it just somehow feels better to me.
Note: I've been using N4 exclusively before this for almost a year, so all my views are in relation to it.
My device: White Nexus 5, 32GB. Pure stock with an unlocked bootloader and rooted.
The Good:
Bigger, better screen! The screen is taller without being (much) wider, and it's gorgeous! I know some people are saying colours are washed out etc, but that's just the IPS display which I'm used to, plus when colour control gets modded into kernels that won't be much of a problem. It's a lot sharper than my N4 and definitely brighter]
Performance! It has the highest binned Snapdragon 800! Need I say more? It can smoke anything out their
Storage is a welcome improvement, sometimes I had to choose between games on my N4 but with double the storage I don't have that problem (atleast for a while )
Camera is a lot more improved than the one on N4, I haven't tested it too thoroughly but it's definitely improved especially in low light conditions
KitKat and GEL are a welcome change, I like the subtle UI improvements and I love the fact that BT audio and software audio levels are not two different things anymore, that used to drive me crazy
I love the white version's looks and build, I was torn what to get when purchasing this from the Play Store but decided to go with the white since it's different. The speaker grill adds a really nice touch IMO and back has a good feel to it. Personally I'd prefer a little more build, but with the ceramic sides and everything it's nice, definitely not cheap.
The Okay:
Battery life, meh. This was expected, it's slightly better than N4's but still not great. On my first run I was able to get out about 2 hours of SOT with 1 hour of GPS, 1 hour of audio over BT, and a lot of updating/downloading games. So that's not bad, N4 lasted me a day and I don't see N5 doing any worse, if anything it'll do better when I switch to custom kernels
Speaker is an improvement but nothing great
The Ugly:
Camera shutter lag, I absolutely hate this. Maybe I'm crazy or something but I hate that it takes a lot of time to click pictures, with the chance of entirely blurring out the picture when given to someone else. Hopefully something improves this
No always on listening , I was hoping for this feature from Moto X
TL;DR: Get the freaking device. It's awesome. And get it in white, seriously.

Lmao you got me with the thread title.

Very clever! Good thread!

Google should make a COMPLETELY new camera app, and upload it to the Play Store for everyone to enjoy. And they should do that quickly. Current camera app is terrible! (The shutter lag it because of the software, not the hardware)

Can 3rd party camera apps help or is this only a google issue?
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I see what you did there.

I'd get it, if it wasn't sold out EVERYWHERE in Belgium, Netherlands, and Germany.

Shealpi said:
I'd get it, if it wasn't sold out EVERYWHERE in Belgium, Netherlands, and Germany.
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See, that's why you stay awake till midnight of your country's time to place an order in US the moment it launches so that you can import it to your country
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Your thread title will surely gather greater intra-xda SEO. (Bringing more and more members confused by the title of the thread).
Please get it changed.

I agree.. Amazing phone! I came from a n4 and HTC one.. I just wish there was better speakers on this device. My one spoiled me!
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Your thread title will surely gather greater intra-xda SEO. (Bringing more and more members confused by the title of the thread).
Please get it changed.
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I don't see why that is a bad thing?
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you Win..
the game!!

chrisinsocalif said:
Can 3rd party camera apps help or is this only a google issue?
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Yes! Just found this last night and played around with it:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spritefish.fastburstcameralite
The quality is a little less than the regular camera, but there is zero shutter lag. The paid version is $2 and it allows you to tap focus and take nicer pictures when you want to. Will still need the standard camera for HDR+ mode (which takes excellent shots that this can't touch).

stremax said:
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I hate you so much...
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P20 Pro thinking of buying

Ok ever since Ive seen this phone I've been smitten with it., but the price has scared me off a bit...it does seem to have some down to a relatively reasonable price and its got me thinking again. The Camera is what intrigues me the most, as with most people I would assume.
Here is what gives me pause though...from a lot of accounts it doesn't do very well taking pictures of people and just about every real review Ive sen says the camera oversharpens a lot, in any situation. My dilemma is I take a lot of pictures of my kids, as a lot of people do, so crappy pictures of people is sort of a dealbreaker for a phone. The low light performance seems amazing and teh 3x zoom I could definitely get some use out of, but the beauty mode and sharpening is stopping me from buying this phone.
Are there any ROMs that can be flashed that addressed this? Is this something someone could find in the software of the phone and disable? VIA a rom again obviously because it cannot be disabled in stock form it appears.

I find with people oh and dogs it can be a a little slow I am thinking of jumping ship to the note 9 as that camera is lightening fast plus you can add a memory card
When you come to scenary I have to say wow
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I have to say however it's an amazing device it's fast and fluid operating system wise i have always used iPhones and am happy to have moved to android just wish camera person wise was more polished
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Yeah that's great, but as you probably know people and dogs rarely stand still..babies even worse. If it's a little slow that's a definitely no, I got a note 8 and even that is a bit slow at times and I miss the shot Im trying to get.
My other options are a p2xl or a Oneplus 6, or keep the Note 8 but the GF needs a new phone

loki993 said:
Yeah that's great, but as you probably know people and dogs rarely stand still..babies even worse. If it's a little slow that's a definitely no, I got a note 8 and even that is a bit slow at times and I miss the shot Im trying to get.
My other options are a p2xl or a Oneplus 6, or keep the Note 8 but the GF needs a new phone
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That's the problem people move and the AI modes say keep still even once shot
I played with the note 9 last night and it was lightening fast
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mancuk29 said:
I find with people oh and dogs it can be a a little slow I am thinking of jumping ship to the note 9 as that camera is lightening fast plus you can add a memory card
When you come to scenary I have to say wow
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I have to say however it's an amazing device it's fast and fluid operating system wise i have always used iPhones and am happy to have moved to android just wish camera person wise was more polished
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Slow to focus or slow shutter speed? Anyway I don't find it slow by any means, one of the fastest to both focus and fire of a shot to be honest

I've found the rear cameras work really well - it is fast to focus, the night mode and B&W are really good. Turn off the AI as I think it's not very good. For just a point and shoot, I think the Pixel 2 will give you better results. If you are willing to put in a bit of work into your shots, I think the P20 Pro will give you excellent results. Now, if you are talking about the front camera, it is not very good (IMO). So, if you use the front camera quite a bit, I might suggest other options for you.
From what I hear, the video is not very good either (I don't shoot video, so I cannot comment first hand). I've read that the rear camera processing software was done by Leica and the front camera and video was done by Huawei - that may explain the difference in quality between those.
Overall, I find the hardware excellent but am not so fond of EMUI (esp. the memory management, notifications and AOD).

I take loads of photos of my kids, who never stop moving. Ever. Most of the time it takes amazing shots, but sometimes they're a bit blurry.
The over softening of faces has been reduced on recent updates, and if you're in portrait mode you can dial it down with a slider (it's called beauty level).
You'll struggle with ROMs now though - Huawei have stopped giving bootloader unlock codes. This means you won't be able to flash anything, and even if you could it has completely stifled development. Personally I wouldn't buy it now because of this (you also won't be able to root). But the photos really are incredible so if you can put up with stock software and no root then get it.

rajeshr said:
I've found the rear cameras work really well - it is fast to focus, the night mode and B&W are really good. Turn off the AI as I think it's not very good. For just a point and shoot, I think the Pixel 2 will give you better results. If you are willing to put in a bit of work into your shots, I think the P20 Pro will give you excellent results. Now, if you are talking about the front camera, it is not very good (IMO). So, if you use the front camera quite a bit, I might suggest other options for you.
From what I hear, the video is not very good either (I don't shoot video, so I cannot comment first hand). I've read that the rear camera processing software was done by Leica and the front camera and video was done by Huawei - that may explain the difference in quality between those.
Overall, I find the hardware excellent but am not so fond of EMUI (esp. the memory management, notifications and AOD).
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Yeah honestly I don't use a front camera a lot and even when I do the quality doesn't really matter all that much.
I do do a lot of point and shoot, the quick snap of a kid doing something . But I do like having the extra functionality if I really wanted to take the time to get a really good shot. That's just not always practical.
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I take loads of photos of my kids, who never stop moving. Ever. Most of the time it takes amazing shots, but sometimes they're a bit blurry.
The over softening of faces has been reduced on recent updates, and if you're in portrait mode you can dial it down with a slider (it's called beauty level).
You'll struggle with ROMs now though - Huawei have stopped giving bootloader unlock codes. This means you won't be able to flash anything, and even if you could it has completely stifled development. Personally I wouldn't buy it now because of this (you also won't be able to root). But the photos really are incredible so if you can put up with stock software and no root then get it.
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yeah, it seems that people were trying to get Huawei to allow people to unlock again. Eh may it would be better to just wait until that happens.

Ok so a few things.
The device as a non rooted device is as good as they come.
Design
Battery
Camera
Performance
Storage
System
Can't fault any of it.
My wife has the phone as stock and she loves it.
I have the phone with the bootloader unlocked, debranded and rooted and I love it.
I can do a lot more than my wife can with it due to the flexibility of being able to remove bloat and install things like lineage and mods like swap torpedo for speed.
Personally if I was unable to unlock the bootloader, there is no way I would contemplate buying this phone, not for its price or for it's hindered lack of unlocking options.
My advice, you cannot unlock the bootloader any more.
Pixel 2 XL It's just dropped by £100
OnePlus 6T when it arrives
Pixel 3 when it arrives.
Not this phone, unless you are going to never hope to root it.

No one of the things I would need would be to get rid of EMUI because people don't seem to like it and from what I hear I wouldn't like it either. I would by buying it with the intention of swapping something more stock ish on it, so if I can't do that its really a non starter.
I'm really looking at a 2xl probably from swappa there are a bunch of refurbs or buybacks on there for a pretty decent price and there is the 200 off deal from Fi too.
I am considering the 6, yeah the 6t will be out but not until November and even then what can they do to change it? wireless charging is almost a sure bet, but not sure what else. Maybe a bit of work on that notch but that doesn't bother me too much. My note 8 has wireless charging and I never use it, so I can do without that.
The 3XL was what I wanted originally but the more leaks I see of the phone the more I don't like it. Again I'm not a notch hater like some people seem to be but it is rather large on the 3xl it seems and with the chin on the bottom it makes the screen look oddly placed...aesthetic issues only though.
The big thing though is it looks like it's only going to have 4 gigs of ram and a battery that's not any larger than its predecessor and for a phone that's likely going to cost around a thousand dollars that's just not acceptable. Now if they come out and say we could only fit this battery and 4 gigs of ram in it because our sensor is bigger than the P20 pros, or something else crazy like that, they may have my attention, but until I hear something like that Im not so interested. Even then, Huawei managed to fit a 4k battery and 6 gigs of ram and 2 more cameras in their phone in addition to the big one...so even that would be a weak excuse, but I could settle for that.

Loving my pro. Coming from Samsung for over ten years, I really like emui. Very easy to use. Very customizable. Thumbs up from me.
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