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Hi all,
For those already using the LG 2x as their daily phone, may i just ask how's the performance in terms of daily usage? Some reviews says it's speedy, so does benchmarks but i have also read reviews that said it should be much better considering that it's dual core and at times, there's some slight stuttering due to the custom froyo skin that LG has.
I'm presently using a Nexus S and it's smooth as butter running custom roms and oc kernel. I'll probably be able to sell off the phone at no loss and top up something like USD120 to get the LG 2x when it arrives in Singapore in the next 2-3 weeks.
Anyone here that have tried both phones and able to provide me with some insights on if i should bother switching? How's the real life use (browsing net, playing music, batt life while playing games etc) difference felt between the processing powers of the two phones?
As it is, the Nexus S can do everything i want except for those Tegra 2 only games. I don't really need a 1080 HD video capability, HDMI mirroring and the 16 Gig space, although limiting is not a deal breaker for me.
Has there been any indications that it'll be able to run custom roms and kernel soon? i know paul from modaco is looking into it at the moment.
Thanks all!
Hi there, I'm also considering between Nexus S and Optimus 2x.
Would appreciate any feedbacks from the users here.
About custom roms - Paul said yesterday that today would be available beta of clockworkmod for download, everything seems that O2X will be great phone for custom roms and stuff Probably there will be functioning Clockwork Mod and developers cooking even before you even get your O2x )
It is lightning fast, and much faster than the Nexus S on stock 2.3. I know because I tried them side by side.
The reviews are correct though, there is some stuttering. I'd say it's annoying as hell, but I'm an impatient guy when it comes to tech-gadgets. I'm sure it's only software issues that will be addressed, either by LG or by custom ROM's.
Sometimes it takes about 5-10 seconds to open the apps list when adding them to the home screen, and sometimes it's as quick as expected.
Sometimes it will stutter while scrolling but most of the time it's smooth as butter. You can clearly tell that there's nothing wrong with the performance because of the smoothness, but there are undoubtedly some serious flaws in the implementation causing intermittent stutter that needs to be addressed.
Playing games is as smooth as I've ever seen. It's simply amazing; There's no stutter or lag AT ALL, so the stuttering you see in the menus seem to be fairly isolated. So far I have tested Angry Birds and AB Rio in addition to Fruit Ninja + Samurai II from Tegra Zone. Samurai II on the TV looks better than a Wii game and is closer to PS3 to be honest.
Another evidence of the incredible performance is the Gallery app. My jaw dropped to the floor when I saw how quick and smooth it is. My Nexus One is like an old Sony Ericsson with Symbian in comparison. If you haven't tried an SE phone with Symbian, consider yourself lucky.
One thing also worth considering is the fact that Froyo is not really optimised for DualCore phones. When gingerbread hits the LG 2x then the speed difference between it and other single core phones should become even more apparent.
the only problem i have with o2x is LG's poor implementation of the LG skin on it. LG's UI w/c i believe can easily be fixed by tweaks/updates or custom roms. that's why im quite happy that g2x will come with vanilla android froyo.
hope LG recognizes the 'MINOR' flaws and stuttering when on the menu/app drawer. but besides that, all other things like browsing, gaming, camera, texting, calling etc are Great and is superior than any other phones in the market as of the moment.
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One thing also worth considering is the fact that Froyo is not really optimised for DualCore phones. When gingerbread hits the LG 2x then the speed difference between it and other single core phones should become even more apparent.
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Gingerbread isn't currently optimized to take advantage of the dual core devices either... Hence the information about a version 2.4 of Gingerbread dropping in April. http://goo.gl/b7P0g
I had mine for 8 days now and Im still not used to how fast it is!
My last phone was a HTC Hero, wich I really cant compare it to, but I have played around a lot with iPhone 4, Samsung Galaxy S and Desire HD and my phone eat em for breakfast. Mutitasking games like Angry Birds and Reckless Drivning is really fast and smooth.
Even though 02X dont have 2D accelerated graphics and iPhone 4 does, the smoothness in the menus are pretty much the same.
Amazing fast phone used my old desire (moved to my wife) and it scared the heck out of me found it very slow go figure lol
My son and I uses both the 2x and coming from desires...
Love the screen over the amoled great quality only notice with black when playing not a full screen movie... But the again almost not seen this...
Browsing the net is great and fast deciding which browser to use dolphin mini or opera the latest with flash.
Actually we found the camera great and the sound is great too...
Running myself launcherpro and the diskspace room 1.45gb to store apps beside the sd.
That's what i hated with my desire lol 148 mb
Battery life is building up nice now after 12 days 38 hours normal usage and heavy 8 hours...
lol and we have gorilla glass too
Bottom line an amazing fast phone just love it.
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The stutter/lag I saw some of seems to be as good as gone after upgrading with all the latest stuff from MoDaCo.
Ok guys just a quick one... Checked out the phone for quite a bit at the retail shop...
First Impressions...
It's both fast & slow at times. However believe that this should be able to be addressed via software eg custom roms etc... Games tried all seem smooth. Opening of apps at times there was lag but it was somewhat random and can't quite pinpoint. Other times it was fast.
Installed Golauncher, ADW and LauncherPro and all seemed to work alright. Do note was just a quick one at the shop...
For those into it...
Quadrand Std - 2600 - 2700 +
Linpack Score - 36 MegaFlops...
Neocore - er sorry don't recall & first time running it... 75???
Nothing else really significant to say except that in a nutshell this phone has potential...
Engadget has the first update:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/12/nexus-4-and-nexus-10-android-4-2-final-update-adds-lock-screen-w/
Doesn't look like much has changed that much so far...
Anandtech's review:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6440/google-nexus-4-review
Battery still meh if you are a heavy user, and benchmarks still affected by thermal throttling...it's hard to get a proper gauge though because the devices that the N4 is compared to change from graph to graph...I wish there was a consistent comparison with the LG Optimus G
+ve about the build quality and apparently it has been dropped a few times without issues...so could be not bad depending on how it's dropped. Running stock android is also another +
Will update thread with more links as they are posted.
Performance is good enough omg. We want better battery life. But once I have Cm10.1 on my N4 I'll uc the cpu so I have better battery life.
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There were so many posts, that low benchmark scores where because of not final software....
they were all wrong
I bet camera photo and video is still **** @ 9mbps 22FPS
Raw hardware specs do not simply cease to 'exist' because software benchmarks show certain numbers.
We know the specs of the device, the hardware in it is more powerful than the majority of the phones out there, calling this OTA conclusive is still flawed.
Wait a while, or have fun joining in on the XDA arguing that I see as still pointless. The HTC One X forums taught me a lot about benchmarks...
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Raw hardware specs do not simply cease to 'exist' because software benchmarks show certain numbers.
We know the specs of the device, the hardware in it is more powerful than the majority of the phones out there, calling this OTA conclusive is still flawed.
Wait a while, or have fun joining in on the XDA arguing that I see as still pointless. The HTC One X forums taught me a lot about benchmarks...
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The problem we're having is with the battery life, not the benchmarks. It's been proven that the poorer benchmark results are due to the CPU overheating and throttling down - which in turn gives it poor battery life - 5 hours video playback vs 8 hours on the Optimus G.
That's why people are dying over the new benchmark results, to see if it still throttles down or not.
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Engadget has the first update:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/12/nexus-4-and-nexus-10-android-4-2-final-update-adds-lock-screen-w/
Doesn't look like much has changed that much so far...
Will update thread with more links as they are posted.
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Still sucks ...
I think I will hold my purchase till got clarification what's the true story about this under-performed S4 pro compare to LG G9.
My GNex is still more than capable anyway.
omersak said:
The problem we're having is with the battery life, not the benchmarks. It's been proven that the poorer benchmark results are due to the CPU overheating and throttling down - which in turn gives it poor battery life - 5 hours video playback vs 8 hours on the Optimus G.
That's why people are dying over the new benchmark results, to see if it still throttles down or not.
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Agreed. Call it early indicator if you will. If the benchmarks shows abnormal activities compared to sibling LG Optimus G than we have a problem. It also possible that Engadget's N4 has thermal problems like Anandtech but they didn't put in the fridge to proved thermal problems since both websites early benchmarks are equally crap compared to The Verge.
omersak said:
The problem we're having is with the battery life, not the benchmarks. It's been proven that the poorer benchmark results are due to the CPU overheating and throttling down - which in turn gives it poor battery life - 5 hours video playback vs 8 hours on the Optimus G.
That's why people are dying over the new benchmark results, to see if it still throttles down or not.
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I hear what you're saying, but no other phone runs 4.2 from Google does it? I'd wait till later this week when we have many rooted devices, custom ROMS/kernels and what not.
The software HTC shipped the One X running on was an unoptimized mess (which also had heat issues).
The people storming around shouting conclusive and saying the phone has hardware issues only serve to make people fearful at this stage where it is too early to be conclusive of any hardware issues. Software issues will be aplenty on a launch of new hardware.
Audioboxer said:
Raw hardware specs do not simply cease to 'exist' because software benchmarks show certain numbers.
We know the specs of the device, the hardware in it is more powerful than the majority of the phones out there, calling this OTA conclusive is still flawed.
Wait a while, or have fun joining in on the XDA arguing that I see as still pointless. The HTC One X forums taught me a lot about benchmarks...
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But there is a problem if the performance in benchmarks does not add up to what the 'specs' say.
It's like building two identical computers, put one in a different case...one running windows vista and say one running windows 8...
If the hardware is identical, the benchmarks should be VERY similar, if not there is something wrong with the build, hardware, drivers, software etc...and it is not working to it's potential.
This is quite alarming. Agreed with everyone that something is wrong. That's a huge difference: 4984 vs 7628. This might potentially make me wait to see if this some kind of bug. I mean in all seriousness, if I have the same hardware I would like it to perform the same. Google won't admit any wrong doing here either....that's good for ya. Let's hope they see the issue and try to find a fix.
Ugh. What a way to start my day....
new 3,4 kernel guys...give to google some times to fix that.
Well I just ordered one because I'm not really bothered by benchmarks. This is the first phone running on 4.2 and it's powerful enough as it is.
One thing I will point out is (from what I've seen) the N4 beats the Optimus G consistently in Geekbench 2 posting scores of over 2000. We need to ignore the browser benchmarks as chrome is not as well optimised as the old stock browser on Android.
We need to wait and see how the phone matures in time, I don't think there is a hardware issue here everyone is panicking over 2 phones that don't quite match each other...I know if my N4 goes wrong due to some unknown issue I know I can get a new one sent to me from Play so it's not really something that is going to bothering me.
Anyway, who buys their phone on benchmarks?! Are you benching it 24/7? No, so what's the need for you to see how a phone performs in tasks that you would never ever ask it to do in real world situations...
Came across this site:
lwn.net/Articles/524631/rss
(Guess I can't post direct links for now)
Can anyone explain what this CPU isolation actually means and how it translates to actual performance and benchmark scores?
iluk3 said:
Well I just ordered one because I'm not really bothered by benchmarks. This is the first phone running on 4.2 and it's powerful enough as it is.
One thing I will point out is (from what I've seen) the N4 beats the Optimus G consistently in Geekbench 2 posting scores of over 2000. We need to ignore the browser benchmarks as chrome is not as well optimised as the old stock browser on Android.
We need to wait and see how the phone matures in time, I don't think there is a hardware issue here everyone is panicking over 2 phones that don't quite match each other...I know if my N4 goes wrong due to some unknown issue I know I can get a new one sent to me from Play so it's not really something that is going to bothering me.
Anyway, who buys their phone on benchmarks?! Are you benching it 24/7? No, so what's the need for you to see how a phone performs in tasks that you would never ever ask it to do in real world situations...
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Not the benchmark score itself, but the "battery life" ... N4 is worse compared to LG OG, 5 hours video run-down vs 8 hours.
That's what worries me ...
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There were so many posts, that low benchmark scores where because of not final software....
they were all wrong
I bet camera photo and video is still **** @ 9mbps 22FPS
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And we are still not at final software. It will be multiple OTAs before we are at final software.
So, there's that.
I believe its a kernel problem. And also, why are you all comparing a jellybean ROM with a new kernel with an ICS one? That's not a really fair comparison in my eyes. That's just my opinion though
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gogol said:
Not the benchmark score itself, but the "battery life" ... N4 is worse compared to LG OG, 5 hours video run-down vs 8 hours.
That's what worries me ...
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ips vs amoled
people hate on amoled but I'll take the battery life..
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ips vs amoled
people hate on amoled but I'll take the battery life..
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Doesn't the Optimus G have same screen as N4?
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I believe its a kernel problem. And also, why are you all comparing a jellybean ROM with a new kernel with an ICS one? That's not a really fair comparison in my eyes. That's just my opinion though
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More of a fact than an opinion :good:
I thought Optimus G has a IPS screen. Same one in the N4
For mobile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AzQV866ZfY&t=21s
In HD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AzQV866ZfY&hd=1&t=21s
For ppl who worry about battery life should watch this video. It might help u =)
It just keep getting better
Enjoy
My first day was no where near that bad. I got about 18 hours with regular usage and that's a lot for considering I use my phone all day for work. I love my nexus 4!
That actually goes for all android phones, it keeps getting better cause you build a cache.
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I had significantly better battery life than him even before the last android update. I also don't put ****ty apps like HD widgets and facebook that like to either wake up the GPS or draw stupid amounts of power for no reason.
Some people shouldn't make videos.
Just saying.
I bought a Z1 at launch last September. A little later I sold it because I wasn't impressed with the camera, and the weak viewing angles didn't help much either.
However I have some "seller's remorse" as I somehow really liked the phone and its looks. Also the waterproof part was a major pro.
Since I sold my phone, the z1 has been updated to 4.3 and has perhaps also had other updates. My question now is, what has been improved since launch? Camera, battery life, general smoothness (project butter?) etc?
Any updates that makes the phone significant better now than it was at launch?
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I bought a Z1 at launch last September. A little later I sold it because I wasn't impressed with the camera, and the weak viewing angles didn't help much either.
However I have some "seller's remorse" as I somehow really liked the phone and its looks. Also the waterproof part was a major pro.
Since I sold my phone, the z1 has been updated to 4.3 and has perhaps also had other updates. My question now is, what has been improved since launch? Camera, battery life, general smoothness (project butter?) etc?
Any updates that makes the phone significant better now than it was at launch?
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You may have had a crappy screen, some have had a distinctly more limit viewing angle than intended. Go look for the thread on screens for more info there.
4.3 has been a bit of a pain for some - there's a known memory leak (that doesn't affect everyone) and some issues with the Bluetooth stack (again, not affecting everyone).
Personally, I have had no problems on 290 and am very happy with the battery life. The camera works great if you're not Superior Auto mode (and I've heard there should be improvements to SA in the future).
For me the only one thing was really improved, battery life. All other stuff was close to the same, no big improvements with the camera. Phone still working good. To me that's all.
Thanks for your replies. Too bad it still sounds like a lottery wether you get a "good phone" or not.
Yet, you seem to agree that battery life has improved, which is a very good thing. I was surprised at the short battery life they managed to get out of such a big battery. Especially compared to what the LG g2 and Galaxy Note 3 managed.
My use is mainly Facebook, web browsing, texting (SMS and Messenger), snapchat and taking pictures. And occasionally a game of Candy Crush or Angry Birds GO. You think it he battery will last me through the day?
Also, if anybody else has something to comment about improvements from 4.2.2 to 4.3, please let me know. I keep browsing through the different threads in the general section, but it's hard to find posts covering this subject.
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Thanks for your replies. Too bad it still sounds like a lottery wether you get a "good phone" or not.
Yet, you seem to agree that battery life has improved, which is a very good thing. I was surprised at the short battery life they managed to get out of such a big battery. Especially compared to what the LG g2 and Galaxy Note 3 managed.
My use is mainly Facebook, web browsing, texting (SMS and Messenger), snapchat and taking pictures. And occasionally a game of Candy Crush or Angry Birds GO. You think it he battery will last me through the day?
Also, if anybody else has something to comment about improvements from 4.2.2 to 4.3, please let me know. I keep browsing through the different threads in the general section, but it's hard to find posts covering this subject.
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going from 4.2.2 to 4.3 i noticed better battery life, way better camera(still not satisfied!).
battery life depends on usage and net signal strength. using stamina mode etc you can easy get over a day. on some days it even lasts 2 days for me.
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Thanks for your replies. Too bad it still sounds like a lottery wether you get a "good phone" or not.
Yet, you seem to agree that battery life has improved, which is a very good thing. I was surprised at the short battery life they managed to get out of such a big battery. Especially compared to what the LG g2 and Galaxy Note 3 managed.
My use is mainly Facebook, web browsing, texting (SMS and Messenger), snapchat and taking pictures. And occasionally a game of Candy Crush or Angry Birds GO. You think it he battery will last me through the day?
Also, if anybody else has something to comment about improvements from 4.2.2 to 4.3, please let me know. I keep browsing through the different threads in the general section, but it's hard to find posts covering this subject.
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i didn't notice any improvement to camera, and i actually think battery life was better on 4.2.2, but mybe i had a good setup then that i don't now...
Z1 battery life is superb, don't listen to them, i've looked around G2 forums, most averege users get 4.5 to 5 hours of screen time on a charge, the ones who debloat the phone heavely gets 6-7 hours. Z1 can easely get to 6 hours with stamina mode, so i don't see how G2 is any better.
and yeah, i usually get home after 14 hours worth of daytime with 60%+ battery, after being on tapatalk facebook whatsapp etc all day. so i think you should be fine
i can squeeze 2 hours of asphalt 8 easly aswell
Hello everyone
After swapping my note 3 with note 4, I was amazed with the snappiness of the Note 4 during general tasks and battery life. However, things aren't that smooth while gaming.. it seems as if after 10 mins of gameplay, graphics stutter and the game starts to lag, even in less graphic intensive games.. is it the same with everyone? What about the Exynos variants? Overall, I would rank the note 4 a solid 8.5/10, deducting 1.5 due to poor graphical performance..
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Sounds like the soc clocking down.
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my note 4 is awsome and i dont feel any lag like you do mate
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Hello everyone
After swapping my note 3 with note 4, I was amazed with the snappiness of the Note 4 during general tasks and battery life. However, things aren't that smooth while gaming.. it seems as if after 10 mins of gameplay, graphics stutter and the game starts to lag, even in less graphic intensive games.. is it the same with everyone? What about the Exynos variants? Overall, I would rank the note 4 a solid 8.5/10, deducting 1.5 due to poor graphical performance..
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hi,
Next time you are gaming etc. etc and experience symptoms( as described by you above) check your battery temperature. It could be some sort of "throttling" I have seen quite a few post in forum referring to similar. Read up about Samsung DVFS throttling" when devices gets warm. resulting in games stuttering, lagging etc. etc
good luck
The Exynos performs better while gaming.
I play:
Asphalt Overdrive
Beach Buggy Racing and Blitz
As well as Pinball Pro
Haven't noticed any slowdown or issue with graphics, then again I play for 30mins at most, most times I do a quick 10-15min session and I'm bored.
I played The Room 2 for like 1h+ and while in game pulling down the notification bar lagged as hell...my battery temperature was around 38 while gaming.I have the snapdragon model.
Rayman Fiesta Run makes my Exynos hot and noticable slow down performance. Funny that Nexus 7 2012 runs this game as much as I want without any performance dropdown.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ubisoft.rayman.fiestarun
Didn't noticed the same reaction on Riptide GP 2 though.
Snapdragon here, nothing, everything is smooth and fast, i already have 14 hours of gameplay time with Galaxy on FIRE2 HD which is pretty intense, also try Stranger, its the most intense graphical game, and everything on highest the note 4 has lower fps, even then after longer playing everything is okey.
I can second this. Rayman Fiesta starts to lag after a while...very disappointing. SnapDragon model here.
i have exynos and every thing is smooth
I have Canadian SM-N910W8 with SD805 it runs games fast even with power savings on.
It's not hard to understand, snapdragon 800+1080p > snapdragon 805+2k for gaming performance (and almost everything).
I have Note 3 snap800 and Note 4 snap 805... and I can honestly say that note 3 is way better for gaming.
Check some gaming YouTube video, this also happens between Nexus 6 and 5.
That's quite sad because Samsung could have made the Best device ever if It choosed a laser autofocus instead of the UV/HRsensor, and sticked with 1080p+ snap 805 combo... really It's like if our SOC have to push TWO 1080p phones (no kidding... 2k have double pixels).
PPL think that the improved visual quality is given by the improved resolution... that's 100% wrong.... The details are the same (and I see amazingly well at very close distances), the true benefits are given by the damn good color accuracy.
BTW note 3 with leaked Lollipop is waaaaay faster in everything than Note4...
If lollipop doesn't make note 4 way faster I'm going to sell this piece of marketing victim and stick with the Note 3.
i using note 3 snap with lollipop and note 4 H with exynos
note gaming performance very very better !
i dont know what note 4 snap on gaming and fps on heavy game !
but exynos version note 4 is better on gaming and power on 2k resolution
im happy for this buying !
note 3 just snap
note 4 just exynos
sometimes its not about the phone, but lazy developers..
as we know rayman is developed by ubisoft and everyone in gaming world knows how terrible that company is
Gamebench v1.3 analysis of Asphalt 8 game play - Device: Note 4 Exynos
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58709458&postcount=2020
To the people talking about Rayman Fiesta, on my Exynos Note 4 it goes into slow motion if under 60fps, and I'm not talking about skipping frames, I'm talking about slow motion, when it gets close to 40 fps the game is very sloooow. I had to run it in 720p to keep it at 60fps all the time so it wouldn't slow down.
What I mean by this is, at least for me, the game runs very well even on 1440p, always above 30fps but goes into slow motion instead of skipping frames because the devs are stupid. This also happens to me with Sky Force.
So there are no known permanent solution for the lag and stuttering SD805 aka Note4? Or even a achievement in performance without rooting and devoting our life to adjust and testing?
gabrielgon said:
To the people talking about Rayman Fiesta, on my Exynos Note 4 it goes into slow motion if under 60fps, and I'm not talking about skipping frames, I'm talking about slow motion, when it gets close to 40 fps the game is very sloooow. I had to run it in 720p to keep it at 60fps all the time so it wouldn't slow down.
What I mean by this is, at least for me, the game runs very well even on 1440p, always above 30fps but goes into slow motion instead of skipping frames because the devs are stupid. This also happens to me with Sky Force.
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I've never had sky force slow down...ever. snapdragon 805 running FireKat rom.
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AngryDonutGuy said:
So there are no known permanent solution for the lag and stuttering SD805 aka Note4? Or even a achievement in performance without rooting and devoting our life to adjust and testing?
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Get Samsung's gaming app, Game Tuner, no root required, it will allow you to adjust the resolution, FPS and Brightness of all your games.
My N910F has been running Need For Speed No Limits, Asphalt 8 and GT Racing 2 without a hiccup.
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