Hi all I just received the OTA for Android 4.4.2 so have put together a before and after comparing 4.4 to 4.4.2 for the Nexus 5 camera. Includes some full crop images and video capture as well as the all important autofocus test.
Very pleased with the results looks like Google have made big improvements all round to the camera.
You've obviously not tried the camcorder in dim light?
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Thx for the vid man!
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You've obviously not tried the camcorder in dim light?
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Why do you put a question mark at the end of a statement you clearly don't look for an answer to?
Because Google haven't made improvements, they've ballsed it up since 4.4!
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Ben36 said:
Because Google haven't made improvements, they've ballsed it up since 4.4!
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Maybe for you.. camcorder exposure is fine for me.
Stock 4.4.2 odexed
BoneXDA said:
Thx for the vid man!
Why do you put a question mark at the end of a statement you clearly don't look for an answer to?
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because it's what we call a rhetorical question....
Ben36 said:
You've obviously not tried the camcorder in dim light?
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I've tried it in dim light and find the noise to be ok, better than the S4 not as good as HTC One (to be expected)
ISO is ramping more aggressively in still images IMO but not a deal breaker, looks better than the S4 anyway.
The screen is really, really dark in dim light. And the video itself is also really dark.
Case and point, i went to a bar with my girlfriend to eat something. I decided to record something using the camcorder, and well. I'll let the results speak for themselves. It looked like the lights were out in the place. I wish I had thought to take pictures, because it certainly wasn't as dark as the video would lead you to believe.
https://plus.google.com/+HectorCaceres/posts/WGZ3kZHNMj6
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because it's what we call a rhetorical question....
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No it's not. A rhetorical question is still a form of question, "you've obviously not tried the camcorder in dim light" however is not, so the use of question mark is inappropriate? (See what I did there? <-- rhetorical question.)
xybur said:
The screen is really, really dark in dim light. And the video itself is also really dark.
Case and point, i went to a bar with my girlfriend to eat something. I decided to record something using the camcorder, and well. I'll let the results speak for themselves. It looked like the lights were out in the place. I wish I had thought to take pictures, because it certainly wasn't as dark as the video would lead you to believe.
https://plus.google.com/+HectorCaceres/posts/WGZ3kZHNMj6
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Is that with the 4.4.2 or 4.4.1 update installed?
androidizen said:
Is that with the 4.4.2 or 4.4.1 update installed?
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I went 4.4->4.4.1->4.4.2
When I recorded that video, I used 4.4.1.
I tested later and had the same behavior in 4.4.2.
androidizen said:
I've tried it in dim light and find the noise to be ok, better than the S4 not as good as HTC One (to be expected)
ISO is ramping more aggressively in still images IMO but not a deal breaker, looks better than the S4 anyway.
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I'm starting to think that we're all seeing the same thing and just coming up with different interpretations due to subjective differences. There's no other reason that everyone would be having such wildly different results using the same software and hardware.
All I know is that video recording on my phone in low light is MUCH, MUCH darker than it was on either 4.4 or 4.4.1. I wish I had taken some screenies before updating to show you.
xybur said:
The screen is really, really dark in dim light. And the video itself is also really dark.
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Are the results with 4.4 much better? This has really got to be on the edge of what the sensor can do in video so the results don't surprise me.
for anyone wondering about the dimmer picture in the video ,
i made a little example here
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3W...it?usp=sharing
( dont have to download to view)
im not complaining , just showing what people are saying
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Are the results with 4.4 much better? This has really got to be on the edge of what the sensor can do in video so the results don't surprise me.
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Uhh, actually I remember I have another low light recording that I did on 4.4 when I was in a restaurant. Very low ambient lighting. The test was more to see the image stabilization during recording, but the lighting was comparable to the bar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwFhXib0pZk
xybur said:
Uhh, actually I remember I have another low light recording that I did on 4.4 when I was in a restaurant. Very low ambient lighting. The test was more to see the image stabilization during recording, but the lighting was comparable to the bar.
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Those two videos have completely different lighting. If you took a light meter into those two places (restaurant vs bar) you'll find that the bar is really much darker.
I'm not saying that 4.4.1/2 isn't worse - just that these two videos don't make a good comparison.
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Those two videos have completely different lighting. If you took a light meter into those two places (restaurant vs bar) you'll find that the bar is really much darker.
I'm not saying that 4.4.1/2 isn't worse - just that these two videos don't make a good comparison.
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What's funny is that I had spotlighting right above my head (direct, LED bright lighting) IN the bar at the table I was sitting at, which would make it look like stage lighting.
But it looks as if it's horrendously dark in there and all of the ambient LED's look like christmas lights thanks to the recording and the contrast of light sources. Trust me when I say it was a lot brighter in the bar than the video would lead you to believe.
My 4.4.2 pictures.
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xybur said:
The screen is really, really dark in dim light. And the video itself is also really dark.
Case and point, i went to a bar with my girlfriend to eat something. I decided to record something using the camcorder, and well. I'll let the results speak for themselves. It looked like the lights were out in the place. I wish I had thought to take pictures, because it certainly wasn't as dark as the video would lead you to believe.
https://plus.google.com/+HectorCaceres/posts/WGZ3kZHNMj6
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That looks exactly like I would expect a video from a dimly lit bar to look.
I didn't think to take any photos at the time, but the difference between the photo viewfinder mode and the camcorder mode was incredibly noticeable, very similar to the screen caps of the viewfinders posted in the 4.4.2 first thoughts thread.
edit: Here is the thread if you somehow missed it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2562886
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A request to the people who've already got their nexus 4!
Can you take some pictures in-doors in relatively ****ty light conditions? I want to see how your flash works.
When taking pictures with flash on I've noticed that the ISO the phone uses is very high.. 800? It's like the phone does not know its using the flash.
I have taken some pics with my old HTC wildfire s and the nexus 4 to compare them - here are the results:
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Can someone please take some flash photos from up-close with their nexus 4 for a comparison?
Thanks!
Links died, please see the photos attached!
I can take some sample pics later but I have noticed the flash blowing out pictures when in marginal lighting conditions (indoors+early morning+no overhead lighting) to the point that I'm better off turning the flash off because the camera does a much better job without it.
And at night I've been opting for HDR.
You can see here how the woodgrain gets blown out, I'll post more pics as I take them.
For comparison here is the same shot with no flash.
This will happen with any camera that is used right up close like that.
Another stupid thread trying to find problems.
It doesn't happen with my sensation or pm1, so it doesn't happen with every camera and I just did an upclose shot to demonstrate.
I had to go through my pictures but I found some that show the same issue and a completely different issue when using the flash. I'm sure these things will be fixed with software but flash photography is certainly not the n4's strong suit, although I do find low light photography to be pretty good.
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This will happen with any camera that is used right up close like that.
Another stupid thread trying to find problems.
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have you even seen the pictures from the original post? They were taken with two different mobile phone cameras, both with FLASH ON!
Maybe the nexus 4 flash is just more powerful than the flashes you used previously.
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Maybe the nexus 4 flash is just more powerful than the flashes you used previously.
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That isn't how flashes should work, the software should do a bit of metering and then limit output for the situation it seems that this isn't happening correctly (it is happening because the N4 will flash before the picture is taken) which is why I think it will be fixed in a software update.
i think its bug with camera driver
Has anyone tried after todays update?
Disastorm said:
Has anyone tried after todays update?
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Problem still exists.
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This will happen with any camera that is used right up close like that.
Another stupid thread trying to find problems.
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If you don't like it why bother to comment? Lol,
I have found the flash being too strong a bit of a frustration it's not a deal breaker but it is something they could sort, thankfully it can still take reasonable shots without the flash in many lighting situations.
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Does the Nexus 4 really have a flash or is it just a light that comes on and stays on when in camera mode with flash selected. I mean is the light off and then flash on when the shutter is activated?
As mentioned, I find HDR helps a lot in low light. It does use the flash, but I am not sure if it is for the shot or for pre-shot metering.
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Does the Nexus 4 really have a flash or is it just a light that comes on and stays on when in camera mode with flash selected. I mean is the light off and then flash on when the shutter is activated?
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It's a regular flash that comes on as needed. Stays on only for video.
Oh yea, it does sometimes stay lit for longer than I would have thought for HDR. But I think that is a plus that it can even use flash in HDR mode (my iPhone doesn't).
Michael
donec said:
Does the Nexus 4 really have a flash or is it just a light that comes on and stays on when in camera mode with flash selected. I mean is the light off and then flash on when the shutter is activated?
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Yes it pre lights the subject to meter and then flashes again when the picture is taken.
You guys can always try different apps. I used zoom in think it s called on my i9001 s plus.
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Yes, the flash feels definitely a bit wonky compared to my S3. I also find that sometimes even after I touch to focus, it refocuses and takes a blurry picture anyways. That and because the touch screen is less sensitive than I'm used to, I usually miss the shutter button the first time and end up pressing harder and shaking/moving the camera the second time.
I'll try to replicate your flash shots but looking at out of the box first shots in auto WB i can tell that either the sensor, optics, software or combination of all three result in pathetic images for a flagship camera. My 3mp samsung produces better pictures. Will try to post some pictures tomorrow.
check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGQ49MOIlcA
another here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ncrd6DOIA
Nothing special, to be honest. As mentioned in one of the comments under the video, he should have had the camera straight over the phones at the 90 degrees angle and set brightness equally. To me it doesn't seem as if the brightness was set equally... But maybe that's only me.
Aside from that, the screen was displaying everything totally properly I would say. I was a bit worried though about some greenish colour when the Nexus was in the Chrome browser. But that can also be only me.
Cheers
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Nothing special, to be honest. As mentioned in one of the comments under the video, he should have had the camera straight over the phones at the 90 degrees angle and set brightness equally. To me it doesn't seem as if the brightness was set equally... But maybe that's only me.
Aside from that, the screen was displaying everything totally properly I would say. I was a bit worried though about some greenish colour when the Nexus was in the Chrome browser. But that can also be only me.
Cheers
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i agree with this.
the second video is better,90 degrees angle for both.
I hope kernel devs will modify display gamma for a bit more saturated colors,as the one X and iphone 5 :good:
And in the second video the GS3 screen was way too vivid, my eyes hurt But I guess it's just a thing you can get accustomed to, AMOLED screen that is.
Overall, Nexus seems pretty color - accurate to me. As soon as I get mine, I'll definitely post some RAW photos from my DSLR so you guys will be able to truly compare them to others. I think it would be a good idea though to post some decent RAW photos and let the community judge. Simple but effective.
nic85 said:
check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGQ49MOIlcA
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Very nice but I sure wish I knew what the hell he was saying.
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another here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ncrd6DOIA
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Not sure if it is just me but this video quality was horrendous. Both displays looked awful. I am not sure what he was using for a video camera but for a display comparison I think he needs something better.
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They all look good to me, you cannot go wrong with any screen. People can keep comparing under a camera lens and through the bias of their own monitor, however if you had any of these phones without all the others to compare then you'd be happy.
Personally I prefer OLED because of the black levels but tbh I don't care all that much.
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another here
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Both displays looked great but you could tell that the Nexus had better colour reproduction and the whites were a lot better as well. S3 definitely seems to have some sort of a hue when it comes to producing whites. In the video he played the black levels looked pretty close.
Must be my display then.. the first video looked great but the second one was no good. I could not get a real great view. I will watch again later using my next 7.
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Must be my display then.. the first video looked great but the second one was no good. I could not get a real great view. I will watch again later using my next 7.
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I think you just didn't watch the video long enough. It starts off horrible and I was about to stop the video. But it becomes really clear around the time he starts comparing the snake heads.
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I think you just didn't watch the video long enough. It starts off horrible and I was about to stop the video. But it becomes really clear around the time he starts comparing the snake heads.
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Thanks, I will try again. I watched about half and gave up.
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I was shocked at how washed out the Nexus 4 display looked to me when I first got it.
I don't notice it at all now - the display is beautiful. The iPhone 5 display appears to be of better overall quality, but I'll take the N4s screen size any day.
My Z is a few months old now, and has been functioning fine so far. Now and then though, the camera goes completely nuts- by taking photos with yellowish/brownish bars across it. The bars are visible on screen too. I can't figure out what's causing this (I've wiped the back panel), but it seems like it only happens for indoor shots, especially when the subject of the photo is close to the camera (about 20cm away).
Is this something to worry about? Are there many other users with the same problem, and should I send it in for servicing/ to get a replacement unit? It's still under warranty.
I'm on build 101.1.A.1.253, running stock 4.1.2, for what it's worth.
Get it replaced.
From me to you.
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Get it replaced.
From me to you.
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Not sure if they provide replacements under warranty here, actually... did you have the same problem?
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did you have the same problem?
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No, but if my pictures were coming out like that as well as my display looking like it too whilst using the camera, it would be going back.
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No, but if my pictures were coming out like that as well as my display looking like it too whilst using the camera, it would be going back.
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Yeah same here, it seems more the logical. The shop you bought it can't call that a good picture.
I done some research on this
this is under fluorescent lighting @ ISO 1600
This is under fluorescent lighting @ ISO100 (still a little brownish)
This is under fluorescent lighting @ ISO 400? With HDR ON
This is under sunlight @ ISO 1600 With HDR ON
I have tested also on ther condition, did not upload it/ deleted
but i can sort of deduce this
1. The brown bars are caused by the fluorescent lighting that have a frequency clash with the camera refresh rate.
2. The problem seems minimize at ISO100, appears slightly @ ISO200 but worsen once over ISO400
3. The pictures above is taken at close range ~ 8cm away with the phone place on an elevated box.
4. with fluorescent lighting, the HDR ON affect on as low as ISO100, and causes the ghost/double image and really tits up on higher ISO. This issue lessen with natural sunlight where the image maintain crisp until ISO 1600.
5. I cannot use the self timer as the flash light for the timer sometimes f-up the focus (this is a real f-up)
6. There are still other modes i have yet to test out such as burst etc
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No, but if my pictures were coming out like that as well as my display looking like it too whilst using the camera, it would be going back.
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Logical enough for me
mcchin said:
I done some research on this
1. The brown bars are caused by the fluorescent lighting that have a frequency clash with the camera refresh rate.
6. There are still other modes i have yet to test out such as burst etc
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I didn't bother testing as much as you did, but all that does seem to make sense! Did some searching and it seems like some Sony cameras have this problem (point and shoot, or DSLR, I can't remember). It is an indoor only thing like you said, under fluorescent lighting.
Wonder if this qualifies as a bug or a hardware limitation...
Seem to be unable to find anything about this...I recall seeing a thread earlier on about camera issues but cant find it anymore.
But I was wondering how your HTC one takes photos when there's almost zero light - mine turns out with a lot of red noise
Mine does too
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The camera is good at low light but can't create miracles obviously.
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The camera is good at low light but can't create miracles obviously.
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I figure that for whatever reason I'd like to capture a pitch black scene, I'd be able to. Oh well
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I figure that for whatever reason I'd like to capture a pitch black scene, I'd be able to. Oh well
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You can, just turn off Auto ISO by selecting ISO 400 or less and the noise and color shift should go away.
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You can, just turn off Auto ISO by selecting ISO 400 or less and the noise and color shift should go away.
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Not sure why more people don't know this.
The noise will range from blue to purple to red. ISO 100 will give you the best color accuracy and the least amount of noise.
iPhone seems to actually capture my eye color, pixel just gets shadows over my eyes. Does the selfie camera on this just suck? I've tested in low light and outside bright light.
Maybe go back to iphone?
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Maybe go back to iphone?
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Lmao what a reply
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Lmao what a reply
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Actually it's quite valid response. You have two phones, one you like and the other is worse at this key aspect. If it is a deal breaker...
And did not quite understand your problem. iPhone gets the color right amd Pixel give you the color of...shadow?
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Lmao what a reply
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What's wrong with it? You obviously like the iphone better.
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Actually it's quite valid response. You have two phones, one you like and the other is worse at this key aspect. If it is a deal breaker...
And did not quite understand your problem. iPhone gets the color right amd Pixel give you the color of...shadow?
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I think I know what he meant, basically when taking a selfie in some lighting situations, your eyes (iris) will become almost completely black. I think it looks awful and unnatural. Not sure about previous Pixels, but I've encountered this on both P6P and now P7P.
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I think I know what he meant, basically when taking a selfie in some lighting situations, your eyes (iris) will become almost completely black. I think it looks awful and unnatural. Not sure about previous Pixels, but I've encountered this on both P6P and now P7P.
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Had to try it myself, can't see the problem. Took one in the bathroom with direct bright light, colors were spot on. Then I took another in very very dimly lit room with night sight, the eyes were...dark. Then I took a mirror and looked myself in that dim light and my eyes were...dark again
But yes, Pixel is known for pumped contrast in pictures and it shows a lot in selfies in low light. My eyes looked actually that dark in that light but my beard was about 25% darker than in real life. So that might be the issue here.
Not a lot to do to fix this, I'm afraid. Take your selfies in good light
Edit. To the original problem, Iphone vs Pixel, Iphone lifts the dark areas more and Pixel lefts them darker. That might include your eye sockets on a sunny day (shadows) and low light.