Sorry, a few too many threads, so I want to check my understanding of what can be done for Root, ROM upgrade, etc with a Moto X if purchased from Verizon today...
As I understand it, the Verizon Moto X hasn't received any OTA updates yet, as such...
I could still use PwnMyMoto to gain root
Its possible to keep root for the camera OTA update if/when Verizon pushes it? (based on -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2466191 it looks like yes, is that correct?)
Its likely not possible to keep root as future OTA updates come out
Its very likely that 4.3 may not receive root.
there is no chance for a boot loader unlock on the retail Verizon Moto X (so I wouldn't have to buy Moto X Dev Edition)
Is there a stable way to tether without being rooted (unlimited data plan), at least as stable as Wifi Tether for Root was on my Bionic and Thunderbolt?
The Dev Edition of the Moto X (not available from verizon store, but rather Moto web site), can easily be rooted no matter what updates come down (just unlock boot loader, flash custom recovery, install SU from custom recovery?)
Is that correct?
thank you.
Hello XDA Forums, wanted to know if I root my moto x has to take to get back after the warranty and leave no trace of root .. thanks
Depends. If you don't have a dev edition and unlock your bootloader. Warranty is void. Can't reverse that since you need to unlock it on their website.
If you don't unlock your bootloader, you can root with slap my Moto, but there's no root solution yet for 4.4.2. And could possibly not ever be. Technically that method voids your warranty too....but only if they discover you did it. I'm not an expert, cause I'm bootloader unlocked, but I think you can reverse this method. If your phone works and you are able to do it.
So basically , if you root any which way, you lose or risk your warranty.
Unless you have a dev edition, then you're golden.
Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
brunosouza25 said:
Hello XDA Forums, wanted to know if I root my moto x has to take to get back after the warranty and leave no trace of root .. thanks
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what model Moto X do you have?
i have the moto x 16gb rom retail... xt1058 ,i live in brazil...
I have a motomaker moto x on vzw which is obviously locked...im rooted on 4.4 because i need gravity box at least since i cant get custom roms(ugh) so i havent upgraded to 4.4.2 yet because it hasnt been rooted...my question was has it been rooted because i cant find anything about it anywhere...and if not is anyone working on it? as much as i love this phone i really miss unlocking and rooting
chris420o said:
I have a motomaker moto x on vzw which is obviously locked...im rooted on 4.4 because i need gravity box at least since i cant get custom roms(ugh) so i havent upgraded to 4.4.2 yet because it hasnt been rooted...my question was has it been rooted because i cant find anything about it anywhere...and if not is anyone working on it? as much as i love this phone i really miss unlocking and rooting
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there is no root method for 4.4.2 (covered extensively). your only option (for now) is to sit on your current version or apply a ROM that gives you 4.4.2 functionality (but you're still on 4.4 kernel).
BUMPING for interest
I feel ya man. I'm also sitting on rooted 4.4 wishing I could update to 4.4.2. I like the stock OS on this phone so I don't feel the need to have an unlocked bootloader, but I would love to be able to have the latest OS version. Although I don't think it's a huge update anyways. I've seriously thought about going back to stock and updating to 4.4.2, but I would miss root WAY too much. I love being able to tether without asking for Verizon's permission.
At least you have root. I'm sitting on 4.4.2 waiting for root. So wish I could use xposed...
underdog1799 said:
At least you have root. I'm sitting on 4.4.2 waiting for root. So wish I could use xposed...
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Did you order your x from the moto design website? Or from verizen?
doitinthedirt said:
Did you order your x from the moto design website? Or from verizen?
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Woodback VZW MotoMaker here...
doitinthedirt said:
Did you order your x from the moto design website? Or from verizen?
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I ordered it from the moto maker website
When did you order it? I placed an order two days ago for a design your own.. a guy here posted he got his two days ago and it had 4.4 on it so thought mine might come with 4.4
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When did you order it? I placed an order two days ago for a design your own.. a guy here posted he got his two days ago and it had 4.4 on it so thought mine might come with 4.4
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Mine was ordered a month ago or so. I think it probably is hit or miss whether it has been updated or not. But mine was actually on 4.4 and it updated to 4.4.2 overnight
If you realllllly want root....i'd return the phone and get a dev edition. Otherwise you may be stuck on 4.4.
Sent from my N5, N7, Moto X, G Tab 3 or S2.....
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Or sell it and add some cash for the dev edition if you can't return it. ?
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kj2112 said:
If you realllllly want root....i'd return the phone and get a dev edition. Otherwise you may be stuck on 4.4.
Sent from my N5, N7, Moto X, G Tab 3 or S2.....
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Or sell it and add some cash for the dev edition if you can't return it. ?
Sent from my N5, N7, Moto X, G Tab 3 or S2.....
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Well 4.4 would be fine, Im stuck on 4.1.2 as of now on my razrM since they quit updating than.
The first fone i rooted was the razrM and i changed the entitlementcheck to get tethering for my unlimited data.. since than ive accepted two OTA and lost root but the change i made to entitlement check when i had root and write protection disabled still stayed after root was wiped by the OTA. This is puzzling i dont see why guys are loosing entitlement check after losing root with 4.4.2 on moto x
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Well 4.4 would be fine, Im stuck on 4.1.2 as of now on my razrM since they quit updating than.
The first fone i rooted was the razrM and i changed the entitlementcheck to get tethering for my unlimited data.. since than ive accepted two OTA and lost root but the change i made to entitlement check when i had root and write protection disabled still stayed afyer root was wiped by the OTA. This is puzzling i dont see why guys are loosing entitlement check after losing root with 4.4.2 on moto x
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Basically I think moto saw the exploit and simply closed the door on it. ?
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Yeah I'm dying hoping someone will swoop in and help us get a root exploit going. I'm not quite sure why no one has done it...maybe we need to make a thread like the bootloader unlock one where the dev would make some money if they got root going.
Unlocking the bootloader does solve all this. And the bounty is huge.
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You are asking about root, but if you want usable root on the X you need two parts 1. Root Exploit, and 2. An Exploit that allows for disabling Write Protection.
When Write Protection is enabled (the phone's default state with locked bootloader, or the state you are in after you take the 4.4.2 OTA), any changes made to /system, or the like, (including, but not limited to, App installs, file modifications, deletions, renames, etc) are not permanent and are lost at power off/on.
Even if you have root, but lost Write Protection, any apps you've installed that need to write to system can't permanently save their changes (you have to re-do every time your phone powers off/on), and any Root type app, or app that gets installed to /system after WP is enabled will be lost at power off/on.
MotoWpNoMo was used on 4.4. and below to Disable Write Protection. Part of the 4.4.2 update patches the exploit that MotoWpNoMo used, so it wont work on 4.4.2.
SlapMyMoto/RockMyMoto/etc, used on 4.4 and lower, involved downgrading the rom to use an exploit in 4.2.2 to gain root. But with 4.4.2 you can't downgrade the rom safely, without risk of bricking your phone, anymore.
JCASE has already posted he has an exploit to use to gain root on 4.4.2, but due to job and family, wont release it until the fall. Who knows what ROM Moto will push out by then, and if they will have patched the exploit already. BUT before you get made at JCASE for waiting so long, that doesn't address a Write Protection dis-abler. I've not seen any talk about work on that for locked bootloaders (when you unlock the bootloader, like on Dev Editions, the write protection is disabled). So JCASE could release his Root exploit, he or someone could develop that process, but it would be kind of useless without the ability to disable write protection.
Trust me, *IF* or when a Root and Write Protection bypass is out, you will see threads on it. Until then, you have to sit tight.
If you are rooted with write protection disabled, you might want to check out the SafeStrap discussions over at Rootzwiki.com. That might at least afford you a way to run 4.4.2
And of course @kj2112 suggestion of getting a Develpper Edition so you can unlock the bootloader and root no matter what rom version, is the best advice. Yes, its more expensive than a subsidized X, signing a contract, but its worth it if you *NEED* or *WANT* root & write protection disabled. (and selling your current X is an option to get cash towards the Dev Edition)
This website claims root on 4.4.2.
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/Root-Moto-X-KitKat
Anyone hear or try it yet?
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This website claims root on 4.4.2.
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/Root-Moto-X-KitKat
Anyone hear or try it yet?
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It's already being discussed here. I don't think it works as that site claims it does though.
zenofase said:
This website claims root on 4.4.2.
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/Root-Moto-X-KitKat
Anyone hear or try it yet?
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As @The Tallest says, its already being disucssed in that other thread.
Even so, *IF* it safely works, it is only a potential root, but does nothing for write protection.
Too bad. At least it's a possible step in the right direction.
Just got this phone from my job, had a nexus 5 before. I'm used to wug's nexus root toolkit, something like that would be great. I just need root and a custom recovery. Thanks.
If you have a non-Dev edition, you can't do either. I'm guessing you're on 4.4.2, so you're stuck.
And if you need a toolkit to root a Nexus phone, you should just buy an iPhone.
Sent from my Moto X
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If you have a non-Dev edition, you can't do either. I'm guessing you're on 4.4.2, so you're stuck.
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you are correct.. KX120.16-1.25.2 is definitely 4.4.2 on Verizon.
@patass imnuts is correct. Unless you have the Dev Edition, once 4.4.2 is on your phone, your stuck. (components that get upgraded in 4.4.2 prevent downgrading, and/or cause issues resulting in bricking or future bricking of the phone.) The 4.4.2 upgrade patches the exploits used by the rooting and write protection disable processes.
There is the Chinese Website/Middle man option, but it voids your warranty.
Tell your job to get you a developer edition. Tell them that it's safer and you want to ensure their data is protected. Then unlock and root that bad boy...
It's what I'd do.
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Just got this phone from my job, ...... I just need root and a custom recovery. Thanks.
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So your job lets you run with a rooted phone?
Most companies I've supported BLOCK rooted devices.
Just got my Moto x Verizon branded and came with 4.2.2 JB. For some reason when I hit the update it says I'm on the latest firmware. Any idea what's going on here. Im currently situated in Dubai but not sure how that would have anything to do with it. Any help?
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yes, update moto update services via playstore. I dont own a vz X but I suggest you check your bootloder unlock option if interested before updating.
Yes root and unlock it now, because 4.4.4 root isn't quite ideal yet.
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bushako said:
Just got my Moto x Verizon branded and came with 4.2.2 JB. For some reason when I hit the update it says I'm on the latest firmware. Any idea what's going on here. Im currently situated in Dubai but not sure how that would have anything to do with it. Any help?
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Did you buy it used? If yes, then its possible that the previous owner rooted and disabled the OTA update check. Especially if this is NOT a Developer Edition for Verizon.
Now, if it was purchased new, or the original owner didn't disable the OTA update check, then its likely because you are not on Verizon's network. I've seen this happen on my BB Z10, galaxy S4 and S5, and my Moto X, when running wth my t-mobile sims or on wifi. They will always say either no update found (90% of the time), or Update service not available (10% of the time). I must put my Verizon SIM in to download the update.
Since both the Developer and Non-Developer XT1060 for Verizon use the same ROMs you can download and manually flash the SFB/FXZ files from Moto Directly... -> HERE If you have the Non-Developer XT1060 and you want to unlock the bootloader, do NOT flash anything newer than 4.4.2!!
Use the link in my signature about the Risks of Downgrading to confirm your phone's bootloader version to get a better understanding of your phone's state.
IF you want to root and disable write protection going forward, you need to unlock the bootloader, and you do NOT have the developer edition for Verizon, the only option for that would be to use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader BEFORE you upgrade it to 4.4.4 or higher. For more... see HERE
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Did you buy it used? If yes, then its possible that the previous owner rooted and disabled the OTA update check. Especially if this is NOT a Developer Edition for Verizon.
Now, if it was purchased new, or the original owner didn't disable the OTA update check, then its likely because you are not on Verizon's network. I've seen this happen on my BB Z10, galaxy S4 and S5, and my Moto X, when running wth my t-mobile sims or on wifi. They will always say either no update found (90% of the time), or Update service not available (10% of the time). I must put my Verizon SIM in to download the update.
Since both the Developer and Non-Developer XT1060 for Verizon use the same ROMs you can download and manually flash the SFB/FXZ files from Moto Directly... -> HERE If you have the Non-Developer XT1060 and you want to unlock the bootloader, do NOT flash anything newer than 4.4.2!!
Use the link in my signature about the Risks of Downgrading to confirm your phone's bootloader version to get a better understanding of your phone's state.
IF you want to root and disable write protection going forward, you need to unlock the bootloader, and you do NOT have the developer edition for Verizon, the only option for that would be to use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader BEFORE you upgrade it to 4.4.4 or higher. For more... see HERE
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I got it brand new sealed box cost approx $122 16GB, so no chance of it being rooted. I'm glad that it's still JB, read that part of 4.4.4 being not unlockable at the moment. So I just made the payment for Sunshine now waiting for either of the devs to wake up and send me those sweet digits to unlock. The phone came with a Verizon sim card in it but I get a message saying its unrecognizable but that's okay It's customs roms all the way for me from here.
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