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Are updates dependent on being logged onto AT&T or are they delivered via internet?

Are updates dependent on being logged onto AT&T or are they delivered via internet?
I am on a mvno and the phone works fine. But I can't update. IS there an alternate area for downloading updates or does AT&T only update through their system?

What exactly are you trying to update?
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pside15 said:
What exactly are you trying to update?
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Operating system. When I tell it to check for updates it will not log on.

lightfire said:
Operating system. When I tell it to check for updates it will not log on.
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but there are no updates.....nothing has been released yet

Pirateghost said:
but there are no updates.....nothing has been released yet
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But my question remains. I want to find out if I CAN update being on another network besides at&t. When updates are available. For instance, what does a person get who IS on at&t get when they tell it to check for updates. I get "server error".
Will these updates (assuming there will be some) be downloadable from the internet or does one have to be registered with at&t?

To put it to you simply, if you are using an unlocked AT&T device on another carrier. I don't think you will be able to get any AT&T pushed updates for your device. I might be wrong, but I don't think you'd be able to get it running on a carrier other than AT&T with one of their devices.
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ZeroRilix said:
To put it to you simply, if you are using an unlocked AT&T device on another carrier. I don't think you will be able to get any AT&T pushed updates for your device. I might be wrong, but I don't think you'd be able to get it running on a carrier other than AT&T with one of their devices.
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Well, it works perfectly as a phone and for data and it is locked and not rooted. Since the mvno leases from at&t it works fine.
But I suspect I will never be able to get updates so I am considering selling it unless I can find a way around this. Even though it can now be rooted and it can be unlocked, if the updates are only pushed to registered at&t users and can never be downloaded or sent as regular files, then I am screwed.
ANY other thoughts or ideas, anyone?

lightfire said:
Well, it works perfectly as a phone and for data and it is locked and not rooted. Since the mvno leases from at&t it works fine.
But I suspect I will never be able to get updates so I am considering selling it unless I can find a way around this. Even though it can now be rooted and it can be unlocked, if the updates are only pushed to registered at&t users and can never be downloaded or sent as regular files, then I am screwed.
ANY other thoughts or ideas, anyone?
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When the updates are available, someone will post them here for sure.

shogunmark said:
When the updates are available, someone will post them here for sure.
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I know there are no guarantees in life, but in your best estimate, do you think they will be locked in any way (check to see if it is on AT&T network or some other silly stuff) and that I should be able to use them? Is there a post of the current factory rom anywhere?
I ask all this because I like the Vivid, but I only have 3 days to return it if I am going to.

lightfire said:
I know there are no guarantees in life, but in your best estimate, do you think they will be locked in any way (check to see if it is on AT&T network or some other silly stuff) and that I should be able to use them? Is there a post of the current factory rom anywhere?
I ask all this because I like the Vivid, but I only have 3 days to return it if I am going to.
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99.99% sure we will have an RUU available when there is an update. this means it is not dependent on the network updates, but you can install the update from your computer.
100% sure you will see roms on here of the updates....
i wouldnt worry about 'updates' when you are on XDA

Pirateghost said:
99.99% sure we will have an RUU available when there is an update. this means it is not dependent on the network updates, but you can install the update from your computer.
100% sure you will see roms on here of the updates....
i wouldnt worry about 'updates' when you are on XDA
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Glad to hear this. Thought I was going to have to downgrade to a samsung unlocked.http://media.xda-developers.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

If your rooted, regardless of carrier, you don't need to worry about updates. The updates will be provided by the devs. Whether it be an RUU or incorporated into their ROM update.
Edit: Sorry, I should've provided this info earlier. Major brain-muffin. Lol
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ZeroRilix said:
If your rooted, regardless of carrier, you don't need to worry about updates. The updates will be provided by the devs. Whether it be an RUU or incorporated into their ROM update.
Edit: Sorry, I should've provided this info earlier. Major brain-muffin. Lol
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I will probably root soon, but I am waiting for a bit of maturity on the customs roms.

Yeah, that'll take some time. The ROMs that ya'll do have, are currently being worked through for bugs and the like. Seeing as how some were already there for the Raider as it was the first to be unlocked. With the Vivid now unlocked, those ROMs that were for the Raider are being updated to allow them to be flashed on the Vivid. In the next few months we should see some more ROMs get produced as more devs come to the Vivid.
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Sky go

2 questions
When will this be available, is it after the next upgraded rom from Sony? As I'm not sure how it works with android. Is it per android version or is it device specific?
Also will it not work based on rooting or will it work with the new locked bootloader exploit, as with that you get to keep your drm keys?
Apologies for probably stupid questions, just coming back from a 3 year break from the the dark side.... iPhone 4 & 4S

It will be when Sky Make it work, if the past is anything to go by when Sony Update to 4.2 it will stop working again!
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Cheers mate

hutchy007 said:
2 questions
When will this be available, is it after the next upgraded rom from Sony? As I'm not sure how it works with android. Is it per android version or is it device specific?
Also will it not work based on rooting or will it work with the new locked bootloader exploit, as with that you get to keep your drm keys?
Apologies for probably stupid questions, just coming back from a 3 year break from the the dark side.... iPhone 4 & 4S
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the JB 4.2 for sony gonna come in late march. maybe 10 days later
it will change kernel and OS so firmware. it will be major update

Last time Sky added a bunch of Devices together when they updated the App so it might be they wait and Add the HTC One and the Galaxy S4. As long as we are 4.2 by then there will be no interruptions.
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And will rooting the phone stop sky go working, if I use the locked boot loader method? Or could I just use custom toms with it?
Just skygo didn't work on jail broken devices, was a right pain to get it working in the end! As apple insisted on preventative measures against jail token phones Are sky just as bad on a android?

Yes... Worse the detect rooted unlocked devices in several ways... There was no way to get it working on my note 2 without having stock firmware and kernal
As we do on the z we my be able to use one of the temporary unroot methods
But won't know until sky works in the first place
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searley said:
Yes... Worse the detect rooted unlocked devices in several ways... There was no way to get it working on my note 2 without having stock firmware and kernal
As we do on the z we my be able to use one of the temporary unroot methods
But won't know until sky works in the first place
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Nuts, I feared as much

So has anyone got this working on their devices now its been released?
Also does it work rooted or not?
Just picking my XZ up tomorrow so wouldnt mind knowing before i do things that stop the bloody thing working
Many Thanks,
H

Mine worked as soon as it was announced.
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hutchy007 said:
So has anyone got this working on their devices now its been released?
Also does it work rooted or not?
Just picking my XZ up tomorrow so wouldnt mind knowing before i do things that stop the bloody thing working
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Well if it wasn't for you posting it here I would have never known it had been released!
It's working for me (non rooted) although I have to adjust the brightness each time I go into a program that is showing as it's very dark to start with...

wonneil said:
Well if it wasn't for you posting it here I would have never known it had been released!
It's working for me (non rooted) although I have to adjust the brightness each time I go into a program that is showing as it's very dark to start with...
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Im glad ive been of some use once
Aslong as it works, i guess the brightness is a pain but atleast its working.
Now the most important question of all.... does it work on a rooted device

Nope- cant get it to work with my rooted z
Was waiting patiently for it to be upgraded to work, finally gave up and decided to root and Sky released the update the next day!!!
hutchy007 said:
Im glad ive been of some use once
Aslong as it works, i guess the brightness is a pain but atleast its working.
Now the most important question of all.... does it work on a rooted device
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markiepuk said:
Nope- cant get it to work with my rooted z
Was waiting patiently for it to be upgraded to work, finally gave up and decided to root and Sky released the update the next day!!!
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Thats very dissapointing.... but not unexpected

Hidden Google apps!

The apps Google play movies and google play magazines were hidden from my device till now! When using Titanium Backup, i found out and enabled them. Does someone know why Sony dis this so? Or is it normal? Am from India, using a sim free version of the device and its in stock .350!
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gire.prasad said:
The apps Google play movies and google play magazines were hidden from my device till now! When using Titanium Backup, i found out and enabled them. Does someone know why Sony dis this so? Or is it normal? Am from India, using a sim free version of the device and its in stock .350!
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What Rom are you using?

I mentioned it! It's in Sony stock .350 just rooted!
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In Italy those services are not enabled. What about India?
Maybe in India they aren't enabled too so the apps are hidden.

graffus said:
In Italy those services are not enabled. What about India?
Maybe in India they aren't enabled too so the apps are hidden.
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in germany it is enabled, i see "Google Play Movies" in my Apps list with the red film stripe icon.
as i know it has just been enabled a few months ago in germany whereas in the usa it's been going on for over a year now.
it's all about legal stuff and movie licences..

graffus said:
In Italy those services are not enabled. What about India?
Maybe in India they aren't enabled too so the apps are hidden.
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I too thought the same! The Play Movies was enabled in India last week and after being rolled out even it wasn't enabled till I did so and the same is wit magazines though they aren't enabled in India yet!
A strange doubt, how does Sony or Google know that the service is available in the respective country and how can they enable it in my device remotely? Can they?
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gire.prasad said:
I too thought the same! The Play Movies was enabled in India last week and after being rolled out even it wasn't enabled till I did so and the same is wit magazines though they aren't enabled in India yet!
A strange doubt, how does Sony or Google know that the service is available in the respective country and how can they enable it in my device remotely? Can they?
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they cannot..
they have to do an ota update that installs it to change anything on your mobile.

digitalray said:
they cannot..
they have to do an ota update that installs it to change anything on your mobile.
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Of course they can ,the phone checks what country you're in based on the mobile network and not the SIM-card. .
Think also how the split the updates to the world ,today UK tomorrow Germany etc ..they can see a lot of ways

right, italian journalist went to USA with Xperia Z and when he came back he noticed he had these two apps. That's it

graffus said:
right, italian journalist went to USA with Xperia Z and when he came back he noticed he had these two apps. That's it
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how would they check in which country you are in ? they need an app for that, which calls the home server by itself and tells them where you are ?
ok, sony has some update apps from sony. but do they really check the cell network you are in ? does it use google location based service ?
i don't know if it really does that. normally it's rolled out by serial number.
but without such an app or background service that is continuously sending data to sony or checking once a week, it's not possible for sony to know which device is where in the world.
i bought myself a device from asus from the uk with a UK Serial Number and the WWE Rom Version. i've only and just ever used it in germany, but i only got the UK OTA ROMS and got it when it was rolled out in the UK.
so without an app like sony update that connects periodically with sony servers and collects usage data, it's simply not possible. they OTA Updates are spread by Serial Numbers, that's what i was told by ASUS, and that's what happened with their devices. they don't have an update app like sony and that's why i wrote that in my last post.
does anyone really "know" what the sony update app is doing ? yes, no ? sorry, but if not, it's simply speculation on how the ota updates are rolled out.
imo the update app just checks for updates and submits the serial number of the device. it's a guess. if anyone knows better, please post.

digitalray said:
how would they check in which country you are in ? they need an app for that, which calls the home server by itself and tells them where you are ?
ok, sony has some update apps from sony. but do they really check the cell network you are in ? does it use google location based service ?
i don't know if it really does that. normally it's rolled out by serial number.
but without such an app or background service that is continuously sending data to sony or checking once a week, it's not possible for sony to know which device is where in the world.
i bought myself a device from asus from the uk with a UK Serial Number and the WWE Rom Version. i've only and just ever used it in germany, but i only got the UK OTA ROMS and got it when it was rolled out in the UK.
so without an app like sony update that connects periodically with sony servers and collects usage data, it's simply not possible. they OTA Updates are spread by Serial Numbers, that's what i was told by ASUS, and that's what happened with their devices. they don't have an update app like sony and that's why i wrote that in my last post.
does anyone really "know" what the sony update app is doing ? yes, no ? sorry, but if not, it's simply speculation on how the ota updates are rolled out.
imo the update app just checks for updates and submits the serial number of the device. it's a guess. if anyone knows better, please post.
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Have you read above my post instead of writing so much si(mp)ly speculations..
Read what Rickard writes 7th post ,
http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/124330

nick2crete said:
Have you read above my post instead of writing so much si(mp)ly speculations..
Read what Rickard writes 7th post ,
http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/124330
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yes, different countries use different frequencies for their cell networks, so what ?

digitalray said:
yes, different countries use different frequencies for their cell networks, so what ?
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\How the phone understands where you are ? so read again carefully this time...
... The phone checks what country you're in based on the mobile network and not the SIM-card.... , can see also from your internet ip when using wifi so simple so easy

nick2crete said:
\How the phone understands where you are ? so read again carefully this time...
... The phone checks what country you're in based on the mobile network and not the SIM-card.... , can see also from your internet ip when using wifi so simple so easy
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ok, i guess the ip thing is easier to work with than an app reporting the used cell network bandwidth.. whatever, none of us knows what the sony app really does and by what cause the ota's are rolled out.

I think that we go off topic ,Sony Video Unlimited app can see in which country you are and if your area is supported by the app or not ,thats different with hidden google apps ,on the home screen pull your finger from downbar upwards and see another hidden google app starting
Good night

HTC One Android 4.2 update officially rolling out in UK 'from today'

Here's the full story - http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-one-android-42-update-officially-rolling-out-uk-today
Yet again, the US, Sprint, and CDMA totally cockblocks me from getting an update.
Never buying CDMA phone, ever, again.

nerv8765 said:
Here's the full story - http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-one-android-42-update-officially-rolling-out-uk-today
Yet again, the US, Sprint, and CDMA totally cockblocks me from getting an update.
Never buying CDMA phone, ever, again.
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From the sounds of it you should never buy a U.S. based phone again. The only way you will get these updates before U.S. carriers through official means is with an international variant. Yeah you can probably find hacked up versions that allow the update early but those usually come with their fair share of issues and most people end up still wiping and placing official updates on anyways when they finally come out. If you for some reason ever thought CDMA would get updates early you are far from knowledgeable about how this stuff works. That said, of the U.S. Carriers Sprint has the best record of updating first. Thank you for another useless rant post showing people what little you know of the smart phone ecosystem.

It's only been like this for like........ EVER!
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QQ no update... How many of these are people going to start? Stop crying and go get an iPhone... Apparently updates are a new feature that makes phones more fun.
QQ We are not going to get Key Lime pie this year. Can't wait to get this update to go from Jellybean to Jellybean qqqqq
SHUSHH
Friggin barbies i swear.

That part was just my personal opinion. My main goal was to simply share the news / story.

There is only a handful of things that I'm really looking forward to, quick settings and the one lock screen widget that we get from 4.2. The quick settings has been solved thanks to the great ROMs that we have here, and just because we haven't received an update yet doesn't make our phones any less functional than they are.
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That part was just my personal opinion. My main goal was to simply share the news / story.
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It isn't really anything 'new'... everyone already knows how the updates work.

Um... Hi just thought I would pop in and add another useless comment have a good day
Edit: I just got Comcast today. Made the switch from centurylink.. 40mbit to 50mbit. Went from downloading games at 4mb a sec on steam to about 7. So far I like it but kinda annoyed with how wireless N routers can't handle the speed. Gonna have to buy an AC router..
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In before the lock!
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What's happening with the current round of updates?

So i read this morning that there is a new .124 firmware certified. And I'm wondering if the 114 firmware ever got released, but I don't think I've seen to much about it. Seems like there is also no widely accepted root method for 290 either. So what should we be waiting for now? Is the 114 update available yet, maybe through the PC companion or should I be waiting now for 124. Also I'm still on the Chinese firmware (just took the update in PC companion as my phone is from China) and wondering if this has any effect on me getting the ota.
I want to avoid updating anything with flashtool to avoid any potential soft bricking issues so many are experiencing.
In the end I just want stock with root. I'm holding off on anything until I know we will have a single firmware for an extended period. Can anyone clarify what's going on?
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braveally said:
Can anyone clarify what's going on?
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you already summed up good. we have new device and new firmware coming in a short period of time. also rooting becomes more difficult because of androids security changes.
actually i also think about going back stock and waiting for stable long term root.

punkt said:
you already summed up good. we have new device and new firmware coming in a short period of time. also rooting becomes more difficult because of androids security changes.
actually i also think about going back stock and waiting for stable long term root.
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Ok thanks. Just wanted to confirm I had the right understanding. Now we play the waiting game I guess.

braveally said:
Ok thanks. Just wanted to confirm I had the right understanding. Now we play the waiting game I guess.
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Yes, you are right.