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[Q] Will We Get S-OFF?

Hi
I have been away from HTC with my last two phones. Do folks find that HTCDEV unlock provides all that is needed or will devs still be trying to S-Off the One?

globalm said:
Hi
I have been away from HTC with my last two phones. Do folks find that HTCDEV unlock provides all that is needed or will devs still be trying to S-Off the One?
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S-off will need to be figured out by developers. HTC's unlock only unlocks the bootloader and maintains S-On.

globalm said:
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I have been away from HTC with my last two phones. Do folks find that HTCDEV unlock provides all that is needed or will devs still be trying to S-Off the One?
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I'll tell you straight forward.
Nope, not from htc
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Not from HTC. Not even the developer edition of this device will have it. You need to rely on devs for that. The HTC one s got S-off 7-8 months after its release. HTC devices are known to have a rather lack luster developer basis.
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The HTC evo 4g lte go s off in a month or so after release. The rest of the one x series took longer since it was more difficult to s off a device without sd support; however, one x did eventually get s off as well as the DNA (a few months after release). with that said, those developers now know how to approach a Qualcomm device without external sd support. So its just a matter of time. Give it about a month or so after the device has released in the major markets.
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eg1122 said:
The HTC evo 4g lte go s off in a month or so after release. The rest of the one x series took longer since it was more difficult to s off a device without sd support; however, one x did eventually get s off as well as the DNA (a few months after release). with that said, those developers now know how to approach a Qualcomm device without external sd support. So its just a matter of time. Give it about a month or so after the device has released in the major markets.
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I just wanted to add that with the hboot 1.12, the first one when htc evo lte came out, we can flash any kernel or rom just being htc dev unlocked only. We did s-off just future prove the device. I am sure there are some people still now on hboot 1.12 who flash roms and kernels, and aren't s-off.
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Not really a fact of "it took nine months" or whatever. When the exploit/method was discovered by the geniuses behind it, it was used on nearly all the HTC devices of the time that are similar: One X S4, One S, DNA, etc
Its just a matter of developing the exploit and being able to use it properly in the public. Although I love having S-off on my phone now, I am prepared to wait a bit before unlocking my bootloader/performing s-off
Another thing to note is that according to jcase's tweet a month or so ago the One is CID write protected :/

markj338 said:
Another thing to note is that according to jcase's tweet a month or so ago the One is CID write protected :/
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What does that mean in relation to custom ROM and kernels development?

the s4 have the same processor, soo problably we will get this device s-off, plus its a qualquom processor, its more easy then tegra processor

i looked at the video for s-off for the htc one x, one s, Dna... etc & they require SuperCid, (unless there's other ways that don't need it). I'm assuming Cid being write protected means 'impossible' for superCid on the One?
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More importantly, Will it blend?

SteelH said:
More importantly, Will it blend?
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Blend?..
Also if a sim free handset isnt tied to any network (sim free) what c. i. d does it have to begin with?
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darkgoon3r96 said:
What does that mean in relation to custom ROM and kernels development?
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Nothing unless some devs decide to boycot because of the bootloader unlock not being very unlocky
It will be much harder with s-on to update firmware and stuff though, as well has having to flash boot.img manually with every rom/kernel install (unless there is dumblock)
This would be an absolute pain with kernels packaged as a zimage (there are repackers available for the HOX but still)

As much as I want a One every time I read a review, I am in no rush to upgrade from my S-On One X this time around until this is done, the amount of **** I have to do just to update a ROM that is updated daily is a complete pain.

markj338 said:
Nothing unless some devs decide to boycot because of the bootloader unlock not being very unlocky
It will be much harder with s-on to update firmware and stuff though, as well has having to flash boot.img manually with every rom/kernel install (unless there is dumblock)
This would be an absolute pain with kernels packaged as a zimage (there are repackers available for the HOX but still)
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Actually xhausx has a script to incorporate into updater-script thaf can flash the boot.img automatically for you on ROM install. No need for seperate flash anymore.
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DJ 1 said:
Blend?..
Also if a sim free handset isnt tied to any network (sim free) what c. i. d does it have to begin with?
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Yes blend! Look here

I said never again after the HTC One X debacle and I meant it - but not so much for the inconvenience, for me its the principle.
I shall wait to see how it pans out - but without s-off I'm gonna try the S4 I think. Been loyal to HTC a long time, but they've changed and maybe its time for a change for me.
That said hopefully this will be resolved quickly with the Qualcom chipset.

Thinking the same, but I won't buy an S4.
I will stick with my perfectly capable One X.

SteelH said:
Sayonara Samsung fanboy!
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Ha. Very funny.
I did love my Q1Ultra once. A lot has changed in the arena since then. Does that count?
And maybe if there was more devving on the Asus Padfone2?
Staying on topic though. Very hopeful someone will s-off this qualcom device so we can all play nicely again on a flag ship HTC.

What is the difference between the att and this device?

I have the rogers HTC one. Which forum do I use?
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x2 I also have a Rogers version and I don't know which forum to use. I know with previous phones from Rogers, I would use the at&t forum of the same device, but with the HTC One, it seems like some people are using this forum to flash roms
So I'm confused

There was a chart somewhere that broke down which were the same device. I remember on that list the T-Mobile(US), International, AT&T, and Dev were the same model just different firmwares. The rest I don't remember. I saw it in these forums somewhere.

In terms of what forum you should use, it shouldn't matter on GSM devices, from my understanding. The firmware is cross-compatible even though the radios support different bands.
But don't take my word for it!!! Someone smarter than me will hopefully confirm.

Tidbits said:
There was a chart somewhere that broke down which were the same device. I remember on that list the T-Mobile(US), International, AT&T, and Dev were the same model just different firmwares. The rest I don't remember. I saw it in these forums somewhere.
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I think you are talking about HTC One variants [U/UL/WL] which shows the differences among the M7 variants.
I believe the Rogers and ATT versions are extremely similar. I have the ATT version and have been flashing the International roms without issue.

Marcismo55 said:
I think you are talking about HTC One variants [U/UL/WL] which shows the differences among the M7 variants.
I believe the Rogers and ATT versions are extremely similar. I have the ATT version and have been flashing the International roms without issue.
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Sorry I have a stupid question. Does Android Revolution HD count as an Int Rom?

Marcismo55 said:
I think you are talking about HTC One variants [U/UL/WL] which shows the differences among the M7 variants.
I believe the Rogers and ATT versions are extremely similar. I have the ATT version and have been flashing the International roms without issue.
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That's the one I saw.

mf1tym said:
Sorry I have a stupid question. Does Android Revolution HD count as an Int Rom?
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Yes, although mike1986 did make arrangements for the variants during the install of the Rom within Aroma Installer.
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thanks for the answers everyone

HTC One Developer Edition - OTA Updates

Okay! So, I wanted to find out if the HTC One Developer Edition would receive OTA updates directly from HTC (since we are after all not tied to any particular carrier). I had several discussion with the Support representatives. Note that I do not have the actual questions that I raised with me right now. So, I will just kinda summarize what I asked.
Here are the transcripts of those discussions:
1. Question: I recently purchased the HTC One 64 GB Developer Edition. I would like to know if the HTC One Developer Edition would also be receiving OTA updates as and when they taken place, like the other HTC One versions? Or would we who own the Developer Edition have to download them from your website htcdev.com
Srini, please keep in mind that every Software Update is thoroughly tested to ensure it will not cause any conflict with our HTC Sense User Interface, after tested the update is released to the carriers and the release is at their discretion.
Since your device is not carrier branded, you will be able to select the carrier of your choice and receive the updates directly from them, at the time they release it to their network. As well, your device comes with the bootloader unlocked you will be able to develop your own versions of the operating system on the device, or download them and install them on your HTC One.
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2. Not sure what was the question I asked here. But here's the reply anyway...
Srini, having an unlocked bootloader does not affect the OTA capacities of a phone, this will only be affected at the time you Root and customize the ROM on your device.
Regarding the software updates released by the service providers, these are deployed to their customer base via OTA or RUU, taking into account that you will have to use your device with a service provider of your choice, at the time they deploy a software update you can verify on your phone doing the following:
1. Slide the Notifications panel open, and then tap Settings.
2. Tap About > Software updates. HTC One checks if updates are available.
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3. Question: Would I not be receiving direct OTA updates from HTC? Why from carriers when I am not carrier dependent?
You will receive the updated directly from your carrier. Actually, we work closely with our carrier partners to ensure we deliver the best experience possible on our devices.
After internal testing, we test the software on live networks in order to confirm the experience matches our expectations, and carrier expectations, for performance, connectivity and platform stability. While testing takes time, we're working quickly with our carrier partners to rollout these updates.
Even if you have the developer edition, the carrier you choose will release the software updates when available.
What we might release at certain point is enhancements we have developed for your device, but for bigger software updates, you need to wait for your carrier.
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4. Hello Jennifer, Thank you for your response. I understand that the carrier would be giving the software updates. But in my case, although I purchased the HTC Dev edition from US, I reside in India. So, what would happen in my case? What about the minor & major software upgrades? Would I receive them? Because here in India, the carriers are not involved in the update process, like they do in the US. Hence, this question - would I be able to receive OTA updates (both minor & major) from HTC directly?
If you will stay permanently in India, using your HTC One Developer Edition, the best option to be inform and have the latest updates is to stay tuned to our official website at: https://support.htc.com/en
In this website we will post the updates available for your device.
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I cannot believe that HTC is redirecting me to a carrier for my updates. How is that even possible? Why should I be dependent on the carrier? Isn't that one of the main reasons for not purchasing a contract phone, so that I am not waiting (like forever) for the carrier's to send out their updates?
And I also checked out other forums on XDA and other forums throughout the web for similar questions. And I see that different people have received different answers. I just do not understand why HTC cannot have a single answer for this?
Does this mean we are forever dependent on http://www.htcdev.com???

Looking on HTCDev.com, it shows the Developer Edition as being linked to 'Brightstar US' and not HTC themselves so OTA updates will come from them. I could be wrong, though

HTC said that One Dev Edition will not receive OTA Update.
Because Dev don't need this and have an unlocked bootloader.
If some Dev need an HTC update, they can use a RUU

So, no chance of getting any sort of OTA for our Developer Edition?

Well - I guess all are wrong about this. At least most definitely, the HTC Customer service reps are. I initially got my HTC Dev version on 1.29.1540.3.
And I am happy to report that I just now got a System Update, upgrading it to 1.29.1540.16
Not sure what the improvements are though in this new version.

And thinking that i read that HTC said it will not release OTA update for Dev version, lol

Where can I purchase the developer edition 64 gb in black
HTC one X+ Elegancia V6.0

No. I didn't mean you guich. You were, after all, guided (or misguided) by HTC.
I meant it for those HTC reps who were untrained in this matter. What now angers me is that the those reps could've said we aren't trained or don't have any information about it....rather than misguiding customers.
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Don't think it comes in black!!
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lbaquerizo said:
Where can I purchase the developer edition 64 gb in black
HTC one X+ Elegancia V6.0
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Theoretically there isn't Dev version in Black.
Sultan of Speed said:
No. I didn't mean you guich. You were, after all, guided (or misguided) by HTC.
I meant it for those HTC reps who were untrained in this matter. What now angers me is that the those reps could've said we aren't trained or don't have any information about it....rather than misguiding customers.
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HTC is a basta** OEM

Guich said:
Theoretically there isn't Dev version in Black.
HTC is a basta** OEM
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Yeah....Bastard...yes. But still love their ****in' phones! They make awesome phones! And this One is the beauty with the beast within.

Cincinnati Bell HTC One could skip Android 4.2, go straight to 4.3

http://www.androidcentral.com/cincinnati-bell-htc-one-could-skip-android-42-go-straight-43
If true this COULD happen On the major carriers as well, hence the "small" update recently.

I saw that article, and while I wouldn't really mind, I'm not sure if I believe it. Other countries have already gotten 4.2.2 for the GSM One.

nerv8765 said:
I saw that article, and while I wouldn't really mind, I'm not sure if I believe it. Other countries have already gotten 4.2.2 for the GSM One.
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I am not familiar with the carrier, are they GSM or CDMA?

Kraizk said:
I am not familiar with the carrier, are they GSM or CDMA?
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Pretty much everywhere but America
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It does seem strange to me that we haven't seen 4.2.2 on the sprint htc one... As I recall on the HTC 4glte the update to 4.1 came fairly quick. I think HTC just said fk it let's release 4.3 which has back end features that we benefit from. 4.2 isn't such a big deal when HTC has highly customized version of android.
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tsdeaton said:
Pretty much everywhere but America
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No no sorry, I meant is Cincinnati Bell GSM or CDMA. BTW it appears they are GSM so why the delay I am unsure....

Kraizk said:
No no sorry, I meant is Cincinnati Bell GSM or CDMA. BTW it appears they are GSM so why the delay I am unsure....
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No GSM carriers in the US have updated to 4.2.2. But, Europe and Asia have gotten the update, which does work on ALL GSM phones, in any country.
However, there are no CDMA carriers (maybe a few, but it's a very small number) outside of the US, so the CDMA version (Sprint) has no update yet.

nerv8765 said:
No GSM carriers in the US have updated to 4.2.2. But, Europe and Asia have gotten the update, which does work on ALL GSM phones, in any country.
However, there are no CDMA carriers (maybe a few, but it's a very small number) outside of the US, so the CDMA version (Sprint) has no update yet.
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Yes I know this, My question initially was if anyone knew if Cincinnati Bell was GSM or CDMA. If they were CDMA I could see HTC saying the same for us. That is not the case, they are GSM which means skipping the update for them seems rather weird.

They are gsm
From My TweakedOut ONE

I would imagine that HTC has 4.3 and probably has probably had it for months now. I'm wondering who they're working with to release it to, as far as carriers are concerned.

NORCALkID said:
It does seem strange to me that we haven't seen 4.2.2 on the sprint htc one... As I recall on the HTC 4glte the update to 4.1 came fairly quick. I think HTC just said fk it let's release 4.3 which has back end features that we benefit from. 4.2 isn't such a big deal when HTC has highly customized version of android.
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This is exactly why I have been wondering why people are pissed about a lack of 4.2.2 on the Sprint HTC One. There aren't that many new features to justify the outrage and there aren't any performance enhancements... 4.2.2 is barely a step up from 4.1.2 (the main improvements relate to tablets).

numus said:
This is exactly why I have been wondering why people are pissed about a lack of 4.2.2 on the Sprint HTC One. There aren't that many new features to justify the outrage and there aren't any performance enhancements... 4.2.2 is barely a step up from 4.1.2 (the main improvements relate to tablets).
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I disagree (regarding tablets), but that's mainly due to how fast Google's native implementation of quick toggles grew on me. It makes more Sense though for a 4.3 update, given that a fairly long time has already passed since the last point release and the relatively minor changes (compared to 4.0->4.1).
Then again, I'm also mildly concerned that the real story here is that Sprint's carrier testing is taking longer than it should and we'll just get a delayed 4.2.2 update instead.

Rirere said:
I disagree (regarding tablets), but that's mainly due to how fast Google's native implementation of quick toggles grew on me. It makes more Sense though for a 4.3 update, given that a fairly long time has already passed since the last point release and the relatively minor changes (compared to 4.0->4.1).
Then again, I'm also mildly concerned that the real story here is that Sprint's carrier testing is taking longer than it should and we'll just get a delayed 4.2.2 update instead.
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If you want quick toggles, just installed ViperRom... The changes aren't important enough to justify spending a lot of resources into upgrading the OS. The main changes in 4.1.2 -> 4.2.2 are in tablets, specifically multiple user implementation in the tablet environment.
http://developer.android.com/about/versions/android-4.2.html
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Android now allows multiple user spaces on shareable devices such as tablets. Each user on a device has his or her own set of accounts, apps, system settings, files, and any other user-associated data.
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numus said:
If you want quick toggles, just installed ViperRom... The changes aren't important enough to justify spending a lot of resources into upgrading the OS.
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Exactly what I wrote as far as corporate resources. As for ViperROM, I really don't think you're reading posts before you hit "reply."
but that's mainly due to how fast Google's native implementation of quick toggles grew on me
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I use Power Toggles for any devices not running 4.2, but I've come to prefer this method. The EQS included in ViperROM frankly makes my eyes bleed.
numus said:
The main changes in 4.1.2 -> 4.2.2 are in tablets, specifically multiple user implementation in the tablet environment.
http://developer.android.com/about/versions/android-4.2.html
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Granted. Again, I don't think you read my post very carefully. Your original post contended that there weren't any marked changes for phones, which is what I disagreed with-- not that the majority of changes went to tablets.

Rirere said:
Exactly what I wrote as far as corporate resources. As for ViperROM, I really don't think you're reading posts before you hit "reply."
I use Power Toggles for any devices not running 4.2, but I've come to prefer this method. The EQS included in ViperROM frankly makes my eyes bleed.
Granted. Again, I don't think you read my post very carefully. Your original post contended that there weren't any marked changes for phones, which is what I disagreed with-- not that the majority of changes went to tablets.
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I disagree (regarding tablets), but that's mainly due to how fast Google's native implementation of quick toggles grew on me.
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I don't think you wrote what you thought you wrote, or else you need to look up the word regarding... You specifically said you disagree with my assessment on tables.
As for quick toggling, I think you are overestimating the percentage of users who care to turn features off once they are turned on.

numus said:
I don't think you wrote what you thought you wrote, or else you need to look up the word regarding... You specifically said you disagree with my assessment on tables.
As for quick toggling, I think you are overestimating the percentage of users who care to turn features off once they are turned on.
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I think you need to reread your post for the context.
(the main improvements relate to tablets)
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FTFY.

And I think Cincinnati Bell is a joke as far as a wireless carrier is concerned. I live in the Cincinnati area, and their service is terrible. I don't see them getting an upgrade to 4.3 before anyone else. They usually trail behind everyone else in their release of phones.

jst a question

is there a way to flash the developer edition software onto the tmobile htc one? and it just update through htc? jst curious i tried to stay from rooting but i seriously doubt tmobile is going to update my phone in a timely manner so i gave up .

I actually just did this today but I converted my AT&T instead of a t mobile to the dev edition
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rcklss1 said:
I actually just did this today but I converted my AT&T instead of a t mobile to the dev edition
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everything works? lte ? hspa+? i just want stock in not really in to customization until the phone gets boring you know? and if so where can i find the rom you used? in the forum i dont see stock stuff like when i had my gnex and nex4 ..everything seems modified in some way and i just want stock maybe with root preinstalled which is why i was looking at the 4.3 dev edition because i saw people talking about htc posted the entire thing up for grabs ..i just dont want to lose functionality i want it to be the same phone just software has been updated with all of htc's improvements you know?