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how much does the governerr really effect the battary?

im just wondering how much does the governerr effect battary life? i changed from ondemand to smartass2 and im not sure i see any diffrent...
and im scheduales which one is best for multitasking and which is for when playing games?
and should i change the governerr setting?
i also read that sleep_ideal_frequency should be 200 and not 100 beacuse 100 wastes more or something like that, is that true?
using galaxy i9000 semaphore kernal jb

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I use Performance governor all the time for 3 months now, battery life is same as on demand, smartass v2 or any other governor, except my phone lags much rarely than on any other govenor. For those that dont know, CPU of PC, your phone, calculator or anything else always works at 100% of its frequency even it has no work to do (Let's take for example your PC, even cpu usage is 5%, CPU still works at full frequency, the same works for your phone), so to me there is no point of any other governor except for Performance. If you have problem with battery life, it's mostly your screen. When I drain out my battery, my battery mostly get drained by screen (70-90%), I use about 0-30% of brightness always. Screen of 60-100% brightness will probably drain your phone's battery in 2-3 hours.

Lavoslav said:
I use Performance governor all the time for 3 months now, battery life is same as on demand, smartass v2 or any other governor, except my phone lags much rarely than on any other govenor. For those that dont know, CPU of PC, your phone, calculator or anything else always works at 100% of its frequency even it has no work to do (Let's take for example your PC, even cpu usage is 5%, CPU still works at full frequency, the same works for your phone), so to me there is no point of any other governor except for Performance. If you have problem with battery life, it's mostly your screen. When I drain out my battery, my battery mostly get drained by screen (70-90%), I use about 0-30% of brightness always. Screen of 60-100% brightness will probably drain your phone's battery in 2-3 hours.
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This is so wrong its a pain to read.:banghead: Why do we have the max and min frequency options in the semaphore app? Why do we have "Max Performance" and "Max Battery" power settings on laptops?
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There was a thread some while ago that concluded in OnDemand and Performance being to two to give longest battery life and best performance.
I don't have specifics or even a link, but the thread was about schedulers and governors and which went together for best performance and battery life. I'm sure it's google'able
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i found that thread but im just wondering how much battary life is wasted if i prefer preformence?
lets say i use smarassv2 since its faster will my phone drain lets say insted 20%\hour - 22%\hour? or is it more then that?

itzikd1 said:
i found that thread but im just wondering how much battary life is wasted if i prefer preformence?
lets say i use smarassv2 since its faster will my phone drain lets say insted 20%\hour - 22%\hour? or is it more then that?
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maybe you can try and tell us

There should be a significant impact regarding battery life when using Performance for example. But it also depends on what you are used to. If you play games all the time or do heavy tasks, the governor will kick the CPU to 100% all the time anyway. But if you mostly surf on the Internet or read texts there's no need to let the CPU go rampage.
Oh and Btw: Modern CPUs in notebooks or computers in general clock themselves down as well when they're idle.
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BlueFlame4 said:
There should be a significant impact regarding battery life when using Performance for example. But it also depends on what you are used to. If you play games all the time or do heavy tasks, the governor will kick the CPU to 100% all the time anyway. But if you mostly surf on the Internet or read texts there's no need to let the CPU go rampage.
Oh and Btw: Modern CPUs in notebooks or computers in general clock themselves down as well when they're idle.
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I do use internet mostly so what will be the most effective governerr any idea?

itzikd1 said:
I do use internet mostly so what will be the most effective governerr any idea?
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Try OnDemand or SmartAssV2.

Ram Usage

I disabled alot of bloatware and always close applications but i need a substantial ram usage and wanted to know if this was normal.
Phone isnt slow or anything, but i thought this looked like it was using more then i expected
check screen below
https://www.dropbox.com/s/f5tklwz262ln772/Screenshot_2014-04-24-21-54-53.png

genelise said:
I disabled alot of bloatware and always close applications but i need a substantial ram usage and wanted to know if this was normal.
Phone isnt slow or anything, but i thought this looked like it was using more then i expected
check screen below
https://www.dropbox.com/s/f5tklwz262ln772/Screenshot_2014-04-24-21-54-53.png
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That is normal. Lower RAM usage means increased lag. Higher RAM usage means reduced lag. Disabling apps ("bloatware" or otherwise) has almost no impact on RAM usage.
When RAM usage is high, that means the OS is doing it's job and teeing up all the apps you are likely to run next. If those apps were not ready to go and waiting in RAM, they would need to be loaded into RAM first, which causes lag.

GeorgeP said:
That is normal. Lower RAM usage means increased lag. Higher RAM usage means reduced lag. Disabling apps ("bloatware" or otherwise) has almost no impact on RAM usage.
When RAM usage is high, that means the OS is doing it's job and teeing up all the apps you are likely to run next. If those apps were not ready to go and waiting in RAM, they would need to be loaded into RAM first, which causes lag.
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thanks for the information. The phone is defiantly not slow and didnt think it was a major issue unless it affected performance.
s5 is great

[Q] Which kernel/kernel settings for better battery life?

Hey all. I'm running Chroma 7/1 on Zen 21 right now, and I can't say I like the battery life I'm getting. What kernel have you found gives the best battery life? Or what settings? Other suggestions? Lemme know. Thanks!

It's hit and miss. We don't know what else you are running as far as apps and settings go, so it's basically trial and error until you find What's best for you.

right, it all depends how you use the phone.
me, im a heavy user, lots of browser action. but i dont do much gaming. i like performance, but i get great battery life as well(about 5-6.5 hours sot). i strictly use ondemand/deadline, no hotplugging, fsync off. also, i like despair, vindicator, and elementalx kernels, but thats just me
oh, signal quality plays a huge role in battery life as well. so does screen brightness, keep your screen brightness down. i keep mine from 15%-0$.

I use elementalx. It doesn't have better battery life than any other kernel - they are all the same. It's all about tweaks..
Setting the up threshold higher for example, will change the % of load the cpu must be under before it ramps up to the next frequency or even to turn additional cores online.

Thanks. I guess it's trial and error then.

I've been using aicp and stock elemental x with good results.

YevOmega said:
Hey all. I'm running Chroma 7/1 on Zen 21 right now, and I can't say I like the battery life I'm getting. What kernel have you found gives the best battery life? Or what settings? Other suggestions? Lemme know. Thanks!
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What improved the battery life of my N6:
Franco's kernel (default setting);
No wallpaper app;
Pixel battery saver;
Replaced apps with white background by alternative apps with a black background.
Installed/flashed apps modded by the Team Blackout
Disabled not used g-apps.
Disabled not used services

What are your CPU Settings?

Hey, was just wondering what settings you all have under Kernel Auditor in order to ensure 5 hours+ SOT. I personally have a dual core setup and have the other two cores kick in when the load gets to 90%, but this seems sort of sluggish now and I only get about 3.5-4 hours SOT and I don't play any games; just simple browsing and productivity. Others manage to get up to 5-6 hours SOT and I wonder how, I have NEVER been able to get this much. Standby is great though, 10 hours overnight and I lose only 3% battery. I am running on Pure Nexus Project ROM and latest Hells Core Kernel.

thats about the regular time I get outa mine. If I had to guess a lot of these 5+ hours are from watching videos or something that doesn't involve touching the screen. I've been using HC kernel with just zen decision on max performance settings and gpu on performance governor (since it idles 27mhz anyway might as well ramp up to full 600mhz for touches) for smoothness.

I have it setup that all my cores are on all the time, no hotplugging. ondemand/deadline, mpdecision disabled, fsync disabled. and I get 5+ hours sot every single day. no, I do not watch videos. but I do keep my brightness all the way down.

Hey, where do you go to disable fsync

aroy97 said:
Hey, where do you go to disable fsync
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it has to be an option in the kernel that youre using, at least the kernel has to expose it so that you can disable it. if its not xposed in general, then you cant disable it. im using despair kernel.

Try undervolting. Unless you severely under clock your cores you won't really see battery life improvement.
I keep my max CPU speed at 2803mhz. You might think "oh well if you're running higher frequencies then more battery drain". Not exactly. The difference between 2649mhz and 2803mhz will be negligible in terms of battery life so I'm seeing a slight performance increase with no significant battery loss. For example, on 2649mhz after a full day of normal usage I'd have about 49% battery life. On 2803mhz I'd have about 43%. I got a good performance increase and a more snappier device in terms of loading web pages, apps, opening documents etc so that extra 6% I lost doesn't matter to me, because its not significantly impacting me, I barely notice most of the time.
So yeah, the same goes for lowering CPU speeds to unless you significantly lower them. Putting max CPU speed to something like 2572mhz, you wouldn't even notice e the difference in battery. Now lowering it to like 1958mhz, or 2188mhz and you'll see a difference because at that point your severely under clocking.
You could also be draining your battery by hotplugging. That's why some people like Zen and MP Decision to keep all cores online when screen is on. If you use your device often, its better to have all cores running. If you don't and its kept in your pocket for hours at a time, hotplugging is the way to go.
Try under volting too. I do. Global Under Volt of -60.

TransportedMan said:
Try undervolting. Unless you severely under clock your cores you won't really see battery life improvement.
I keep my max CPU speed at 2803mhz. You might think "oh well if you're running higher frequencies then more battery drain". Not exactly. The difference between 2649mhz and 2803mhz will be negligible in terms of battery life so I'm seeing a slight performance increase with no significant battery loss. For example, on 2649mhz after a full day of normal usage I'd have about 49% battery life. On 2803mhz I'd have about 43%. I got a good performance increase and a more snappier device in terms of loading web pages, apps, opening documents etc so that extra 6% I lost doesn't matter to me, because its not significantly impacting me, I barely notice most of the time.
So yeah, the same goes for lowering CPU speeds to unless you significantly lower them. Putting max CPU speed to something like 2572mhz, you wouldn't even notice e the difference in battery. Now lowering it to like 1958mhz, or 2188mhz and you'll see a difference because at that point your severely under clocking.
You could also be draining your battery by hotplugging. That's why some people like Zen and MP Decision to keep all cores online when screen is on. If you use your device often, its better to have all cores running. If you don't and its kept in your pocket for hours at a time, hotplugging is the way to go.
Try under volting too. I do. Global Under Volt of -60.
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undervolting doesnt really save you battery, but it does reduce heat. and hotplugging or having all your cores on doesnt really factor in when you dont use your device that much. as, if you have all your cores on or hotplugging, your phone should be in deep sleep anyways. it does make a difference when your phone is awake. i get much better battery life when all my cores are on all the time.

Should there be a sticky of suggested settings of differing requirements of speed, battery life, etc?

ronaldheld said:
Should there be a sticky of suggested settings of differing requirements of speed, battery life, etc?
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honestly, I don't think so. as the settings/setup used is always dependent on how you actually use the device. and many people have different opinions on how it should be set up.

Thermal Settings

I have noticed the Xiaomi Mix has some persistent software thermal throttling after a short period of time.
I ran the same test on a OnePlus 3T and noticed this throttling issue is not present.
It's possible the temps to start throttling are too low on the Mix.
Is there any way to modify or increase these throttle limits?
I know this has been done before but I cannot load the Thermal conf file in /system/ etc / thermal-engine.conf
Can we replace the file with something else ?
The OnePlus forum members released several versions of the file with different throttling temps. Can we use these files or make our own.
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/oneplus2-how-to-fix-thermal-throttling.417108/

Did you ever get any further with this? My phone idles at ~35C. I read a review that said throttling begins at ~40C so I get throttled when I do virtually anything.
I've only had this thing 2 days and the performance has been worse than my old Nexus 6 because the cores keep getting capped very low. I was copying some backed up files over WiFi from my PC. It was lots of small files so it was running for 20 mins or so. When I was trying to do other stuff in the meantime it started to get really sluggish. I used to do exactly the same thing on my N6 and I could never tell that file copying was running in the background. I checked Kernel Auditor and it was showing temps ~50C and the cores were all being capped around 5-600MHz.
I've tried the stock ROM (stable and beta) and EPIC, and Lineage/RR. It seems to be a bit worse on the latter two (Antutu won't go above 100k, but it's like 140k on the MIUI ones) for some reason, but it's an issue on all of them.

gavin19 said:
Did you ever get any further with this? My phone idles at ~35C. I read a review that said throttling begins at ~40C so I get throttled when I do virtually anything.
I've only had this thing 2 days and the performance has been worse than my old Nexus 6 because the cores keep getting capped very low. I was copying some backed up files over WiFi from my PC. It was lots of small files so it was running for 20 mins or so. When I was trying to do other stuff in the meantime it started to get really sluggish. I used to do exactly the same thing on my N6 and I could never tell that file copying was running in the background. I checked Kernel Auditor and it was showing temps ~50C and the cores were all being capped around 5-600MHz.
I've tried the stock ROM (stable and beta) and EPIC, and Lineage/RR. It seems to be a bit worse on the latter two (Antutu won't go above 100k, but it's like 140k on the MIUI ones) for some reason, but it's an issue on all of them.
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I have absolutely gotten further here I have managed to get throttling completely disabled actually.
The highest temp the CPU got to was 42 degrees Celsius after running Dolphin for 2 hours straight.
There is no need for thermal throttling on this device at all, hardware does a good enough job clearing the heat.
To stop the thermal throttling you need root access.
Use ES File Explorer from the play store and enable root access
Navigate to root and look for Folder system/etc and find file called thermal*******.*** ( I don't remember what it's called )
Cut this file from this location and paste it into another directory. I moved it to the sdcard for easy access. This way you can move it back if you do not like the results.
I have not experienced any overheating with this, also the battery doesn't drain like crazy. Performance is greatly improved with speed matching the Snapdragon 835 in a few scenarios.
Oh yeah restart the phone after you move the file so it can register the changes. Clock the cores appropriately with Kernal Auditor to make sure it can run at full blast when it needs to. On demand is way faster than interactive.

Cheers. I actually read the links you posted and renamed the conf file. After a reboot it was flying. The problem isn't so much the throttling, it's that mine idles at ~35C already, so it was getting capped when I did virtually anything. If I run Antutu 2-3 times in a row and check the temps in Kernel Auditor it can be in the low 60s. Using other temp apps (CPUTemp) it only shows about 45C tops.
It definitely does feel pretty damn warm since I don't use a case. but I'd love to know what the 'real' temp was. I tend to believe the lower one since I got the 45C warning when using EPIC and that's exactly what the app said. it was.
My Antutu scores increased substantially too. I was sometimes dipping down to 80-90k but I regularly get ~140k now, even 160k once. I know not to go by those scores but when I could never even get above 100k it was a concern.

gavin19 said:
Cheers. I actually read the links you posted and renamed the conf file. After a reboot it was flying. The problem isn't so much the throttling, it's that mine idles at ~35C already, so it was getting capped when I did virtually anything. If I run Antutu 2-3 times in a row and check the temps in Kernel Auditor it can be in the low 60s. Using other temp apps (CPUTemp) it only shows about 45C tops.
It definitely does feel pretty damn warm since I don't use a case. but I'd love to know what the 'real' temp was. I tend to believe the lower one since I got the 45C warning when using EPIC and that's exactly what the app said. it was.
My Antutu scores increased substantially too. I was sometimes dipping down to 80-90k but I regularly get ~140k now, even 160k once. I know not to go by those scores but when I could never even get above 100k it was a concern.
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Yeah I'm thinking Xiaomi severely limits the thermal threshold to improve battery performance.
It's kinda all they care about in Japan for some reason.
Makes for some great performance improvements without the thermal settings being active.
This setting change is almost necessary of you need some heavy work done.
Glad you were able to get this changed.

i remove thermal_8896_blabla.conf...
Honestly device become too hot for me.... backplate change during my game (Battle Bay), very different sensation... reinstall immediatly *.conf... Finally i have decent perf and cold phone and very good battery life... no more...
My opinion !

lesscro said:
i remove thermal_8896_blabla.conf...
Honestly device become too hot for me.... backplate change during my game (Battle Bay), very different sensation... reinstall immediatly *.conf... Finally i have decent perf and cold phone and very good battery life... no more...
My opinion !
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I think our best solution would be a modified .conf file that increases the thermal threshold as opposed to completely removing it.
Until this solution is available then this is our only choice.

i agree... i think with a ROM kitchen mayve this fil can be readable... anyway @ this point, we can only hope somebody dectypt this file to support various cool modification available over XDA...
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it seems HTC make same stuff... here it is a guideline ot example...
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2455596

lesscro said:
i remove thermal_8896_blabla.conf...
Honestly device become too hot for me.... backplate change during my game (Battle Bay), very different sensation... reinstall immediatly *.conf... Finally i have decent perf and cold phone and very good battery life... no more...
My opinion !
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I had the same issue. I was getting 165k+ in Antutu but the phone would get uncomfortably warm when doing multiple passes, or gaming for extended periods.
In the Thermal section of Kernel Auditor, I enabled the Core Control and Temperature Throttle options and the phone still gets warm, but only as warm as you'd expect. I still get ~155k in Antutu consistently and the performance in general is still very smooth. I have the CPU governor set to ondemand, and the GPU governor to simple_ondemand. All other KA settings are default.
One other thing I always do is to reduce the Window Animation, Transition Animation and Animator duration scales to .5x (1x by default). It just makes the phone feel snappier in general. Settings > Additional settings > Developer options (MIUI-based).
I'm using the latest EPIC ROM. Using RR/LOS I couldn't replicate the same high Antutu scores consistently for some reason. I quite like MIUI after years of using CM and CM-like ROMS anyway.

already reduce animation x0.5... MIUI use a lot of this animation with complex and (very long calcul) then reduce this number make device seems much faster... anyway, u right...
A custom kernel for miui base... based on Dragon XIA exist in MI5 thread... only need to play a bit to make universal... with all source we can make somthing, but no have time to play with all tutorial available on XDA or Youtube...
Only way to make device much smoother and battery friendly or Perf/Warm destructor...