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Unlocked Version Spec Differences, Band Differences?

If I were to buy an unlocked version from HTC, or from another retailer, maybe from the UK, are the specs different? What about the hspa, hspa+, or LTE bands?
Right now I have TMO, if I could find an unlocked version before they release the phone, I'll buy that, just curious about the specs and usage.

LTE won't work at all. HSPA+ might but on TMOUS you probably won't get HSPA+ unless the variant has AWS.

Anyway to know?
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purchase the HTC DEV EDITION.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=4041
LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900
WCDMA 850 / 1900 / 2100
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
T-Mobile version supports WCDMA 1700 instead of LTE 850/1900

I want to buy the phone outright, but since I live in Houston, there is LTE with both T-Mobile and ATT, will the Developer edition allow for LTE on either carrier? I don't want to get stuck with something that only has Edge of HSPA+ speeds.

Unless I"m missing something, the T-Mo version would work on all bands on both AT&T and T-Mobile. The Dev edition wouldn't get you HSPA on AWS for T-Mobile (which is almost all of T-MO HSPA), nor would you get WiFi calling if you were going to be using T-Mobile.
Edit: More info on the Dev edition:
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/04/05/...ick-off-today-scheduled-to-ship-out-april-19/

oryan_dunn said:
Unless I"m missing something, the T-Mo version would work on all bands on both AT&T and T-Mobile. The Dev edition wouldn't get you HSPA on AWS for T-Mobile (which is almost all of T-MO HSPA), nor would you get WiFi calling if you were going to be using T-Mobile.
Edit: More info on the Dev edition:
http://www.phonedog.com/2013/04/05/...ick-off-today-scheduled-to-ship-out-april-19/
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Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.

OCedHrt said:
Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.
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I have no idea.

It seems strange to me. Why is the regular version (sold on Handtec, Clove etc...) more expensive than the developers version?

OCedHrt said:
Would putting the eventual TMOUS radio on the Dev Edition get us AWS HSPA? I can give up the extra LTE bands.
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Now that I think about it, since it's a dev phone, why wouldn't they enable all bands if it were technically capable? Seems to me there'd be a hardware difference limiting the bands.
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romitkin said:
It seems strange to me. Why is the regular version (sold on Handtec, Clove etc...) more expensive than the developers version?
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Are those importers?

From what i've read, the Developer edition is 64GB and only available in Silver (booo!)
And it doesn't support HSPA+ on T Mobile in the USA
However, I don't care about T Mobile HSPA+, what I want to know is if it will work on other UK networks with HSPA+
All the information i can find goes on about T mobile....does anyone know if it contains HSPA+ that works on other networks?
This website says:
http://www5-shopamerica.htc.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=41599
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
However, I think HTC are going to pimp any and all versions possible
We already now know the nexus edition is coming
As this design is so popular, I would image they will start making HTC One Mini, HTC One Pad and other improvements to the current design
I had a tweet back from one of their developers about a black 64gb dev version, she said anything is possible
I would imagine they are just having stock issues at present, so i'm hoping for a black version

Moto X - Gsm (T-mobile / Developer edition)

Guys, would appreciate if someone could help me out here.
Just wanted to confirm the Tmobile and the Developer edition Moto X are basically both compatible with 3g networks around the globe right? Specially in the UAE? The US Nexus 5 apart from the 4g works fine here.
Also, they two (tmobile/developer) are technically the same phones right? The costs now being the same I'm wondering which one to get.

2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - all versions
CDMA 800 / 1900 - for Verizon, Sprint
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 - for AT&T, Verizon
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for T-Mobile
CDMA2000 1xEV-DO - for Verizon
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 - for Sprint
4G Network LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for AT&T
LTE 700 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for T-Mobile
LTE 700 MHz Class 13 - for Verizon
LTE 1900 - for Sprint
Refer to your carrier for compatibility.

metalron said:
Guys, would appreciate if someone could help me out here.
Just wanted to confirm the Tmobile and the Developer edition Moto X are basically both compatible with 3g networks around the globe right? Specially in the UAE? The US Nexus 5 apart from the 4g works fine here.
Also, they two (tmobile/developer) are technically the same phones right? The costs now being the same I'm wondering which one to get.
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Here is the view from wikipedia
Model FCC id Carriers CDMA bands GSM bands UMTS bands LTE bands Notes
XT1049 IHDT56PB2 Republic Wireless 800/1900 Unknown Unknown 25 The GSM/UMTS network functions have been disabled by firmware and are SIM locked
XT1053 IHDT56PA2 T-Mobile US, Developer Edition (GSM) N/A Quad 850/900/1700/1900/2100 2/4/17 Developer Edition is not SIM locked and is compatible with AT&T Mobility and T-Mobile US networks[26]
XT1055 IHDT56PB3 U.S. Cellular 800/1900 Quad 850/900/1900/2100 4/5/12
XT1056 IHDT56PB2 Sprint Corporation 800/1900 Quad 850/1900/2100[27] 25 The GSM/UMTS network functions have been disabled by firmware and are SIM locked[27]
XT1058 IHDT56PA1 AT&T Mobility, Rogers, Vivo, Claro (Puerto Rico), Movistar and Claro (Chile) N/A Quad 850/900/1900/2100 2/4/5/7/17
XT1060 IHDT56PB1 Verizon Wireless 850/1900 Quad 850/900/1900/2100 4/13 Developer Edition is also available,[28] though one source[29] claims it only supports LTE band 13 (not 4)
Looks the XT1058 model with the most of the LTE bands but it depends on the firmware.

Be aware that the GSM developer edition is missing band 700 for ATT LTE service. In my area, band 700 is used and I am not receiving LTE. At first I thought there was a problem with the phone but as i traveled yesterday to Indianapolis as soon as I hit Kentucky LTE showed on the gsm developer edition. Am on the fence as to whether I will return it. Did not realize this until I spoke with the local corporate location this morning.

raydi07 said:
Be aware that the GSM developer edition is missing band 700 for ATT LTE service. In my area, band 700 is used and I am not receiving LTE. At first I thought there was a problem with the phone but as i traveled yesterday to Indianapolis as soon as I hit Kentucky LTE showed on the gsm developer edition. Am on the fence as to whether I will return it. Did not realize this until I spoke with the local corporate location this morning.
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The T-Mobile/Dev Edition are missing Band 5, which is 850mhz. Band 17 is 700mhz, which all the GSM versions support.

The T-Mobile and GSM Dev edition definitely use the same ROM and radio/modems. This is verified by requesting/downloading the firmware from Moto's web site, and comparing it to the retail/consumer rom hosted on http://sbf.droid-developers.org/ghost/list.php and comparing the files included in each.
This thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2546466 also has a discussion of the bands/frequencies the phones support.
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raydi07 said:
Be aware that the GSM developer edition is missing band 700 for ATT LTE service. In my area, band 700 is used and I am not receiving LTE. At first I thought there was a problem with the phone but as i traveled yesterday to Indianapolis as soon as I hit Kentucky LTE showed on the gsm developer edition. Am on the fence as to whether I will return it. Did not realize this until I spoke with the local corporate location this morning.
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Really? When it came to LTE bands I thought the T-mo/Dev X was only missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant, and those bands aren't supposed to be used in the USA. (at least that is what John Renaldi of Moto posted on G+ not too long ago.)

KidJoe said:
Really? When it came to LTE bands I thought the T-mo/Dev X was only missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant, and those bands aren't supposed to be used in the USA. (at least that is what John Renaldi of Moto posted on G+ not too long ago.)
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That is correct, I missed that one in my post above. Band 7 is 2600mhz and is not used in the US.

Are the available bands hardware or software limited?
Tapatalked from my G PAD 8.3

What bands are missing from the gsm unlocked non Dev edition?

Hardware limited.

sicmadek said:
What bands are missing from the gsm unlocked non Dev edition?
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I believe the GSM Unlocked device that you can pick from Moto Maker when you don't select carrier, is the same as the T-Mobile USA device, in which case it would be missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant

KidJoe said:
I believe the GSM Unlocked device that you can pick from Moto Maker when you don't select carrier, is the same as the T-Mobile USA device, in which case it would be missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant
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Well mine picks up LTE on at just fine. I just can't receive MMS for some reason.

sicmadek said:
Well mine picks up LTE on at just fine. I just can't receive MMS for some reason.
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Who is your carrier? LTE Band 5 & 7 are rumored to be only used outside the USA, so for "Domestic USA LTE Use" the ATT (after sim unlock), T-Mobile, GSM Unlocked, and GSM Dev editions should all perform the same. The only real difference is lack of HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS(1700/2100) on the ATT model, which the T-Mo and Dev support, and GSM Unlocked should support too.
As for MMS, check your APN settings are correct.

KidJoe said:
Who is your carrier? LTE Band 5 & 7 are rumored to be only used outside the USA, so for "Domestic USA LTE Use" the ATT (after sim unlock), T-Mobile, GSM Unlocked, and GSM Dev editions should all perform the same. The only real difference is lack of HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS(1700/2100) on the ATT model, which the T-Mo and Dev support, and GSM Unlocked should support too.
As for MMS, check your APN settings are correct.
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I am on att and I have been through every APN. Check my thread to see everything that's going on.

LTE on AT&T working
sicmadek said:
I am on att and I have been through every APN. Check my thread to see everything that's going on.
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Just wanted to share my experience on AT&T. Bought a Moto X developer edition from Motorola. Mine works and picks up AT&T LTE without issues. Also MMS works fine as well.
Just make sure you swap your existing SIM card to a brand new one at a corporate store where they actually scan the SIM and enter your IMEI into the AT&T system. Not sure if this was done already in your case. Good luck...

javahooked said:
Just wanted to share my experience on AT&T. Bought a Moto X developer edition from Motorola. Mine works and picks up AT&T LTE without issues. Also MMS works fine as well.
Just make sure you swap your existing SIM card to a brand new one at a corporate store where they actually scan the SIM and enter your IMEI into the AT&T system. Not sure if this was done already in your case. Good luck...
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We figured out the problem. Porting a number from straight talk caused the issue. Once I activated a new number on a new Sim everything worked perfect.

sicmadek said:
We figured out the problem. Porting a number from straight talk caused the issue. Once I activated a new number on a new Sim everything worked perfect.
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Glad everything worked out.

[Q] What LTE frequency bands does Softbank support?

Softbank does not say on their website. I know they support 2100mhz but the HTC One does not. I have seen many rumours but nothing concrete. Planning to buy from Expansys who have the fun clause of not taking a device back if it does not work due to incompatible LTE band.

puckman said:
Softbank does not say on their website. I know they support 2100mhz but the HTC One does not. I have seen many rumours but nothing concrete. Planning to buy from Expansys who have the fun clause of not taking a device back if it does not work due to incompatible LTE band.
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Wireless Technology - M7_UL
4G-LTE
Bands 2, 4, 5 and 17
4G
HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
UMTS/HSPA+
850/1900/2100MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE
850/900/1800/1900MHz

Checking Wikipedia here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
Tells me that would be 1900, 1700, 850 and 700? That means I can't buy the HTC One Asia edition as it only supports 4G/LTE: 1800/2600 MHz
Darn, that sucks as the HTC One from Hong Kong and Japan is MUCH cheaper than the UK version. Do you have a source for that info?
Also thanks, you saved me wasting close to 400 quid. Guess I am stuck with my second choice, the Nexus 5 which supports LTE: Bands: 1/3/5/7/8/20
One thing that does confuse me. The link above also has a region part where it has a big fat yes for 2600 but does not go into detail which parts of Asia. Have to say that the whole LTE thing is complicated.
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Wireless Technology - M7_UL
4G-LTE
Bands 2, 4, 5 and 17
4G
HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
UMTS/HSPA+
850/1900/2100MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE
850/900/1800/1900MHz
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puckman said:
Checking Wikipedia here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
Tells me that would be 1900, 1700, 850 and 700? That means I can't buy the HTC One Asia edition as it only supports 4G/LTE: 1800/2600 MHz
Darn, that sucks as the HTC One from Hong Kong and Japan is MUCH cheaper than the UK version. Do you have a source for that info?
Also thanks, you saved me wasting close to 400 quid. Guess I am stuck with my second choice, the Nexus 5 which supports LTE: Bands: 1/3/5/7/8/20
One thing that does confuse me. The link above also has a region part where it has a big fat yes for 2600 but does not go into detail which parts of Asia. Have to say that the whole LTE thing is complicated.
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The info come from the AT&T page
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/htc/one-32gb-glacial-silver.html#fbid=Owyl9EzE03C

clsA said:
The info come from the AT&T page
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/htc/one-32gb-glacial-silver.html#fbid=Owyl9EzE03C
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Ah, thats the LTE bands for the American HTC One. The info I am after is what LTE bands does the Japanese Softbank carrier support.

[Q] Question On Bands For HTC One

I am needing a phone that will support all bands in the UK and for ATT in the US.
Will any version of the HTC One have the capabilities of what I am needing?
If so, is there any software tweeks that are needed?
Thank you for your time,
Dustin

dlauth said:
I am needing a phone that will support all bands in the UK and for ATT in the US.
Will any version of the HTC One have the capabilities of what I am needing?
If so, is there any software tweeks that are needed?
Thank you for your time,
Dustin
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A developer edition or an AT&T phone should work just fine right out of the box. The AT&T phone may need unlocked to work overseas but that is cheap or free Search sieempi unlock

So the ATT one has all the capable bands needed for US and UK market?
2G capabilities- GSM 900, GSM 1800
3G capabilities- UMTS 900, UMTS 2100
4G capabilities- LTE 800, LTE 1800, LTE 2600
Just making sure before I buy one.
Thanks
clsA said:
A developer edition or an AT&T phone should work just fine right out of the box. The AT&T phone may need unlocked to work overseas but that is cheap or free Search sieempi unlock
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dlauth said:
So the ATT one has all the capable bands needed for US and UK market?
2G capabilities- GSM 900, GSM 1800
3G capabilities- UMTS 900, UMTS 2100
4G capabilities- LTE 800, LTE 1800, LTE 2600
Just making sure before I buy one.
Thanks
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From the AT&T website
Wireless Technology
4G-LTE
Bands 2, 4, 5 and 17
4G
HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul
UMTS/HSPA+
850/1900/2100MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE
850/900/1800/1900MHz
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Thanks for that but it still doesnt answer the question if the other bands can be unlocked via software.
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From the AT&T website
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As far as I know their's nothing to unlock. That's all the band's it has
I found this 》》 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2467860

[Q] Does Pure Edition support Fido/Rogers 3G/LTE bands?

I'm thinking of getting the pure in the US and using it up in Canada. Wondering if it'll work. I've heard mixed things about the LTE bands and some saying that 3G won't work at all.
Much obliged.

busywaffles said:
I'm thinking of getting the pure in the US and using it up in Canada. Wondering if it'll work. I've heard mixed things about the LTE bands and some saying that 3G won't work at all.
Much obliged.
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It will work perfect, 100%

Telus sells the XT1097, your looking at the XT1095 out the US just don't pick the AT&T model as it has a locked boot loader that seems cant be unlocked at all..... The Telus model, supposed to have the quickest updates... well thats a lie.... there is no update as of today... and no indication of when either...

I was able to buy a XT1095. I still haven't received it but now all I can think about is "What if I need to use the warranty for some reason?". Did anyone in Canada have to go through that?

busywaffles said:
I'm thinking of getting the pure in the US and using it up in Canada. Wondering if it'll work. I've heard mixed things about the LTE bands and some saying that 3G won't work at all.
Much obliged.
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I asked a similar question (but for Telus) on howard forums. This is the response i received o0vL
"Moto X - Pure Edition (GSM Unlocked with T-Mo SIM - XT1095):
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700 (AWS), 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17)
Telus Moto X Specs
4G LTE: (Bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7,17, 29)
4G (HSPA): 2100MHz (Band I) / 1900MHz (Band II) / 1700MHz (Band IV) / 850MHz (Band V) / 900MHz (Band VIII)
Seems like the Pure Edition is missing band 29, where its available on the Telus version. Not sure if it will affect the LTE connection"
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On another thread on this site, someone mentioned that the hardware is the exact same on the canadian model as it is on the pure edition model, the only difference is the firmware. So it seems to me that a radio flash might be required in order to receive the proper bands. I'd love confirmation on this, as I plan on using motomaker in the US to build my phone.

BMelz said:
I asked a similar question (but for Telus) on howard forums. This is the response i received o0vL
On another thread on this site, someone mentioned that the hardware is the exact same on the canadian model as it is on the pure edition model, the only difference is the firmware. So it seems to me that a radio flash might be required in order to receive the proper bands. I'd love confirmation on this, as I plan on using motomaker in the US to build my phone.
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You can't actually change the modem files, you must you the original meant for the phone. The XT1095 supports all of the 2G,3G and 4G bands that Rogers/Bell/Telus/Fido/Virgin/Koodo/Wind/Mobilicity use in Canada. You don't need to do anything but insert your nano sim and possibly program the APN to get network data.

Steve-x said:
You can't actually change the modem files, you must you the original meant for the phone. The XT1095 supports all of the 2G,3G and 4G bands that Rogers/Bell/Telus/Fido/Virgin/Koodo/Wind/Mobilicity use in Canada. You don't need to do anything but insert your nano sim and possibly program the APN to get network data.
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thanks for the reply Steve, so the lack of band 29 shouldn't be an issue? LTE speeds should be achievable?
thanks again,