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I have a Touchpad I picked up for a friend. He is not tech savy at all and will be using this just to get online, youtube, browsing ect. Which rom would be the best choice for me to put on it? It doesnt have to be ICS, I just want something that will be stable

webOS would be the most stable, and would be fine for basic web use. If he's not tech savy, I doubt he'd even care if he had android or not.
but if you think you need to put android on there, the various CM9 alpha 2 builds are relatively stable. Camera does not work, and some people still have wifi issues, but I've found it's been perfectly fine for me. There are many flavors from different builders though, so you'll need to read a bit about each one to see if you want to try it.

Official cm9 nightly (3/27) runs great. Still has its bugs like messed up sound when the screen is off but otherwise its silky smooth to use. And theres always the option to boot into webos since it doesn't get removed when flashing android.

My wife is not tech savy and she is very happy with cm9.
The only real bug is that you have to turn off wifi sometimes and then turn it back on.
Sent from my cm_tenderloin using XDA

Use the latest and greatest nightly CM9 imo. I've been updating regularly and its been very stable for me in most situations. I do not know if any my problems are rom related. There are limitations like camera but it really depends on if your friend will even use it. I've only had experience with the nightly CM9's so I don't think my opinion should be regarded too highly but just my two cents.

[Q] Nook HD+ best rom for me, help!

I'm new to this but I understand the root & flash process.
I just need some help selecting & locating a rom for my nook hd.
I don't like the Barnes & noble os as it seems a little laggy.
Therefore I'd like to replace if with a proper android rom but I get confused with what the difference between stock & cm10 is.
I just want a stable android rom that's fast for browsing & will play netflix well.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks

Stock ROM is the default Barnes & Noble operating system, the one you're using now. The term "stock" is used to describe this ROM, as it's the default ROM that comes installed with the Nook.
There are other ROMs available, so that you can customise your Nook. The one I would recommend, so that you can comfortably just use Android on a daily basis without worrying about anything else is CyanogenMod 10.1.3 (stable). This is a stable ROM, and ready for daily use without worrying about anything else. That's CyanogenMod (CM) 10.1.3. Do NOT install CyanogenMod 10.2, as this is a nightly version and not ready for daily use. You can install CM10.2 if you desire, but don't expect it to be perfect; there may be few issues and problems here and there.
Installing CyanogenMod 10.1.3 runs Android version 4.2.2, so that's Jelly Bean. CM10.2 runs Android 4.3 (however, this isn't stable yet). Here's a beginners guide to installing CyanogenMod for your Nook: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317500
All the best, if you require any assistance, feel free to reply back.

For what it's worth, performance on my Nook HD+ with CyanogenMod 10.1.3 is absolute garbage. 10x worse than stock B&N ROM, everything lags to hell and back. Even scrolling the damn app menu lags, and I'm constantly seeing "<Insert App Name Here> isn't responding. Do you want to close it?" Everything, even the system idle process. I don't know what to advise as there seems to be no general consensus as to what's the best ROM, everything's under development, the only ROM listed under Original Android Development (which I'm hoping is as close as possible to stock) doesn't work.

rpop said:
For what it's worth, performance on my Nook HD+ with CyanogenMod 10.1.3 is absolute garbage. 10x worse than stock B&N ROM, everything lags to hell and back. Even scrolling the damn app menu lags, and I'm constantly seeing "<Insert App Name Here> isn't responding. Do you want to close it?" Everything, even the system idle process. I don't know what to advise as there seems to be no general consensus as to what's the best ROM, everything's under development, the only ROM listed under Original Android Development (which I'm hoping is as close as possible to stock) doesn't work.
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My experience wasn't like that at all. While I wouldn't say it was blistering, it did seem on par or better than the Stock ROM. swiping was just a smidge laggy using Nova Prime.
I went on to Carbon and while it has a very nice feature set, it seems a good bit LAGGIER than the previous ROMs. I've been told that SlimBean runs nicely though, so I'm going to play with Carbon a little more but likely go on to that one when I decide to flash again.

I should expand a bit on my experience.
Performance was great the first half day, very speedy, better than stock ROM. By the end of the day it got a little slower than stock, a day or two later it was already pretty bad, noticeably slower, a week later absolutely terrible. It's as if performance degrades with time. I've tried reflashing it and now it sucks from the very beginning. If you find yourself trying CyanogenMod 10.1.3 stable and it still works great a week later, let me know--maybe I need to send mine in for a warranty swap.

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I should expand a bit on my experience.
Performance was great the first half day, very speedy, better than stock ROM. By the end of the day it got a little slower than stock, a day or two later it was already pretty bad, noticeably slower, a week later absolutely terrible. It's as if performance degrades with time. I've tried reflashing it and now it sucks from the very beginning. If you find yourself trying CyanogenMod 10.1.3 stable and it still works great a week later, let me know--maybe I need to send mine in for a warranty swap.
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Hi, I have been running 10.2 nightly for awhile now and have my tablet running several hours a day surfing Web, watching movies, reading, etc. and I have not had any of the lag or slowdown that you mention. I have had no random reboots or any trouble, I think it performs better than stock rom.
I am very happy with this setup.
So I hope this helps you some.
Sent from my BN Nook HD using Tapatalk 4

rpop said:
I should expand a bit on my experience.
Performance was great the first half day, very speedy, better than stock ROM. By the end of the day it got a little slower than stock, a day or two later it was already pretty bad, noticeably slower, a week later absolutely terrible. It's as if performance degrades with time. I've tried reflashing it and now it sucks from the very beginning. If you find yourself trying CyanogenMod 10.1.3 stable and it still works great a week later, let me know--maybe I need to send mine in for a warranty swap.
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It is not CM10.1.3, it is your device being hit with the need for trim. Your stock would act the same way. Read in the CM10.2 thread.
Sent from my BN NookHD+ using xda premium

Oh my god, you're right! I have to admit I noticed the TRIM issue when I first installed CyanogenMod (hard to miss, it's at the top in big red letters ). I realized it's a perfect match for the performance degradation I'd been seeing, but I dismissed it as a possible cause out of a naive belief that there's no way a manufacturer could ship something that crippled. I thought surely it would have been caught during testing. I also didn't want to read a 100+ page thread to figure out exactly what the issue is when the search was broken. I've taken a few hours and caught up on the thread now... I guess if it looks like cheese, and smells like cheese... it's gotta be cheese.
I've got MAG2GA & 0x000015 memory chips, looks like my only option is to brick it and do a warranty swap I'm curious as to how the other people above reported good experiences; are you guys purposely installing builds with TRIM enabled because you know have good memory chips? Seems to me almost every ROM around here has it purposely disabled. Either that or you've barely used the internal flash memory.
I guess the first recommendation for Kido44 would be to figure out what kind of memory you have, so you know if you can install a kernel with TRIM enabled. The degradation in performance without it is so bad, I want to fling it at the wall. I guess it might not be noticeable right away for you if all you're planning on doing is some light web browsing and Netflix viewing, but you'll run into it at some point and weep. I suspect you're already getting there if the stock ROM is starting to lag a little bit.
As always, thanks to leapinlar for pointing me in the right direction

I've been happy with CM 10.1 for a while, ran really stable without any major hiccups, but the lag got so bad due to the lack of trim that I decided to take the plunge and risk installing 10.2 Milestone 1 with a trim-enabled kernel. I also have a bad emmc chip but I'm willing to risk it.
It's not what I'd recommend for everyone, but that's my experience.

episode96 said:
I've been happy with CM 10.1 for a while, ran really stable without any major hiccups, but the lag got so bad due to the lack of trim that I decided to take the plunge and risk installing 10.2 Milestone 1 with a trim-enabled kernel. I also have a bad emmc chip but I'm willing to risk it.
It's not what I'd recommend for everyone, but that's my experience.
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Carbon B11 + cm10.1.3 kernel has been working well on my HD+ for a while. It's almost as fast as the trimmed cm10.2 but without the fault risk.

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Carbon B11 + cm10.1.3 kernel has been working well on my HD+ for a while. It's almost as fast as the trimmed cm10.2 but without the fault risk.
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Not sure I understand. Won't it get slow eventually because of the lack of trim?

Sure, but it was still usable after several weeks.

I like Slimrom for the most part and observedly better than CM 10.1.3 on my nook hd+. Seems faster and more responsive, and if you use Puffin browser, it seems like it's 2x faster compared to stock browser (that's just my imo, ymmv). Anyway, I've tested only 3 roms so far, slim, cm, and carbon, so my question is, are there any roms that you guys recommended on the hd+ that can maybe compare with slim? Slim doesn't seem to be officially supported.

[Q] Is it worth upgrading to 4.4?

Hi,
My wife's GTN7000 is on 4.1.2 stock, but its a bit sluggish now. Though she has a lot of apps on it :0...
Wondering would she benefit from upgrading to 4.4? In terms of performance mainly.
It sounds like its pretty stable, is there any reason I shouldn't upgrade it? If its buggy or she loses any functionality I'll get skinned....
I presume the latest OmniROM is the one to go with, that right?
Thanks loads in advance

Well, just my opinion, customized ROMs are not for house wives.

It depends ...
I've using OMNI since last Nov.as my daily driver and already enjoying it. Better speed more smooth.
But,
Go check the list of known bugs and issues of OMNI ROM in this thread and see if your wife will be able to deal with them on a daily basis.
And I can add:
USB storage doesn't work correctly till now.
Music player crashes on few nightlies.
Camera performance was better on the stock firmware.
Some battery draining issues from time to time.
Remember Nightlies are experimental builds.

maybe, depends on your wife.
Generally, i advise, if it isn't broken, don't fix it.
On the other hand, if she is thinking about a new phone/ not happy with the note as it is, try omni.

Thanks guys Mmmmyeah maybe I'll leave it go, looks like theres still some flakyness...
Cheers

Try SlimSaber Rom from 'fusionjack'....
Awesome performance more than omni....
Sent from my GT-N7000 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

jcrosbie said:
Hi,
My wife's GTN7000 is on 4.1.2 stock, but its a bit sluggish now. Though she has a lot of apps on it :0...
Wondering would she benefit from upgrading to 4.4? In terms of performance mainly.
It sounds like its pretty stable, is there any reason I shouldn't upgrade it? If its buggy or she loses any functionality I'll get skinned....
I presume the latest OmniROM is the one to go with, that right?
Thanks loads in advance
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i think is not the roms but to many unused data.
try to custom roms 4.1.2 cos 4.4 still buggy

I've stayed away from everything, post 4.1.2 on my GT-N7000 for the simple fact that for MY
usage, it is rock stable. Camera, bluetooth are the #1 things, aside from the phone that I use
daily. I've seen a few roms, but each of them have issues with either camera, usb, SD card, or
bluetooth. For my usage, the 4.4 update didn't bring anything to the table that I would find as
a benefit.
Until I get a new device, for my pattern of use, I'm sticking with 4.1.2..... as always, your mileage
may vary.

I just update from 4.2 to 4.4.. My opinion is better update to 4.2 first since it is more stable than 4.4..

[Q] Leave Well Enough Alone (Finally)???

At the risk of sounding a touch naive, I feel compelled to ask the following.
Having owned an original 7 inch Nook that I fully converted to 4.1 and now the very satisfied owner of an HD+ that I fully converted to 4.2.2 some time ago, is there any "real world" advantage to moving up to 4.4 with the following considerations:
1. Under a fully transformed eMMc 4.2.2, I am experiencing no operational problems or issues.
2. My primary use for the HD+ is reading using both the Nook and Kindle apps, occasionally watching movies using the MX Player app, using a small handful of other apps primarily for current events and weather, email, and using the larger screen to view digital photos taken on my trips.
Under 4.2.2, it handles all of the above with few, if any, real hiccups.
If my actual day-to-day usage remains as above, will 4.4 really offer any substantive changes?
With that said, have I finally arrived at the "leave well enough alone" time in my ongoing transformations and updates?
Thanks in advance for any relevant comments and/or advice.

I'm just going to assume you are talking about CM10.1 (4.2) and CM11 (4.4).
CM11 is still a Nightly, so i would not recommend it as you want to use your HD+ for normal activities and not to experiment with.
To me, CM10.2 (4.3) ist the most stable version, but if you don't encounter any problem with 10.1, then there is no real need to upgrade IMO.

If everything is working I would let it ride. If you do decide to move forward make a backup so you can go back.

I'm in kind of the same boat. I've been using the Xperia tweaked Carbon ROM which is 4.2.2 and have yet to see a real compelling reason to move from it. My desire to constantly flash something and try new roms is outweighed by my desire to have a stable, useful device.
Sent from my LG-LS970 using xda app-developers app

Thanks.
"My desire to constantly flash something and try new roms is outweighed by my desire to have a stable, useful device." Could not have phrased it better myself. Have definitely reached the point where experimenting, rooting, fully transforming, etc. no longer works as its own stimulant in the face of a very stable, reliable, eMMc conversion that works the way I (currently) need it to. Now if Amazon would bring out an 8.9 inch version of the DX that I have with a touchscreen and back light...hmm!

I started with various CM11 nightly builds, then "downgraded" to CM10.2 and now am happier. Various apps I had problems with are now working. I miss a few minor things like no transparent status bar and soft buttons not hiding in some apps, but I prefer the stability. I may try CM11 later at some point.

Hmm... Your mileage may vary...
I have been upgrading my Nook HD+ steadily until verygreen's 1/18 build of CM11. I have installed the pa_gapps-modular-full-4.4.2-20140111-signed gapps package. I have access to just about everything I need on the Google Play store, Amazon Store, 1mobile store. It is solid. Doesn't reboot without reason. And except for a couple of non-standard apps, everything runs smooth and good. I couldn't be happier with this version of KitKat and I like it a lot better than JellyBean, and my battery life is very good, even when running intensive games or using WiFi heavily.
Is there a real reason to upgrade? That is a personal preference. I would say yes, as my experience has been so good. Even the upgrade process was fairly painless using verygreen's instructions. Just had to load a new CWM, reboot into it and flash the new rom and gapps and I was on my way. Fair to say, I haven't been upgrading to every new nightly that comes out. Viewing the changelogs, I don't see any obvious reason to do so, and so I am waiting for any changes that verygreen deems necessary to flash.
That's my two-pence worth of opinion. I hope that helps alleviate any fears you might have for upgrading.

Thanks to all for your replies and comments. Looks like I will stay put with 10.1/4.2.2 for the time being as all is "really" well!

[Q] Nub seeking advise (cm10 or cm11)

Hey everyone, awesome site! Yep, first post. :cyclops:
I'm completely new to Android though I have hacked a few things and understand the importance of making absolutely sure you know the procedures and make backups in case things get fubar. I've been digging through the posts quite a bit and of course see that opinions on use, stability, etc seem to vary a bit. What I'd like some kind feedback on is (as a nub) am I better off starting out using CM10 and then when I'm ready I can move on to CM11 or has CM11 been developed well enough to just start there. Also wondering how stable is "stable" on both. I'm much more interested in having a good and stable experience than a few extra bells and whistles until the kinks are worked out. I'm running a stock Nook HD+ now so it's all an upgrade in any case. Thanks in advance for all constructive feedback.

I went straight from rooted stock on my HD to CM 11 so I don't know how CM 10 ROMs are. But the CM 11 builds I've used from verygreen's thread since early January have been rock solid on my HD. Just 1 spontaneous reboot in the entire 2 months -- when granting superuser access to an app. That's it. Wi-fi, bluetooth, web browsing, music and video playback are all working fine. Swiping between screens is smooth. I did a clean install before I put CM 11 on, and I think that makes a difference vs. those who did dirty installs.
If you have an HD, CM 11 will let you use full screen mode which is very valuable for a 7" screen. I don't think you will get that with a CM 10 build which is based on JB. If you have an HD+, the gain in screen space that Kit Kat gives you is not as critical.
If you go to CM 10 first, you might have to reinstall everything for a clean install before jumping to CM 11. So you would ultimately save a lot of time by going straight to CM 11.

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hey Jodo901 :good:
my experience was that i purchased a HD+ and did loads of reading both prior to and after purchase. I chose the nook for a number of reasons (price vs performance) but also the awesome input from the guys here on XDA around custom roms.
For years I've always looked to get my devices updated with custom roms but always like to have a proper noob guide lol. The best place to start for me on the HD+ is this thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317500
It explains the process step by step and is idiot proof (i did it!!) I have read numerous threads about which rom to put on the HD+ but settled on the stable 10.1.3 rom. i considered the 10.2 rom but the 10.2 had mixed reviews on the HD+ and the consensus was that 10.1.3 was a stable, mature and smooth rom. I am watching the CM 11 releases closely but it remains a work in progress, although from posters on the thread it seems that it is running almost perfectly. I will switch to CM 11 once verygreen posts a "stable" release - plus you can flash the roms as you wish, so can start with the stable 10.1.3 and then reflash when you're more confident or feel that the CM11 rom is more mature.
My advice would be go for 10.1.3 and follow the guide above. I didn't think the stock rom was that bad, but the 10.1.3 is night and day imho, its smooth, repsonsive and allows lots of funky tweaks. I've had this rom on my HD+ for a few days and am very pleased :fingers-crossed:
all the best with your choice fella
fish

Thanks for the quick responses guys! You've given me a bit more to consider and look into. That was one of the threads I bookmarked yesterday so thanks for pointing out it's validity. A further question that now comes to mind from what you both have said is how much of a hardware difference is there and is that something that can make a performance difference? Guess I'm still gonna be info diving for a bit tonight after work.

KitKat does improve on performance over Jelly Bean, but it's not something that will affect your daily use. I'm currently using CM 10.1.3 (stable) on a Nook HD+ and HD. I'm considering upgrading the HD to CM 10.2.1, as there is a stable build out. I will definitely upgrade to KitKat/CM11 when a stable build is released.
Personally, I only install stable builds. I don't want the hassle of encountering issues with nightlies. I find that CM10.1.3 is extremely stable, and I have not had any problems with it; although battery life is reduced from the original stock ROM, but that's nothing to be worried about. In conclusion, no issues with the CM10.1.3 stable build.
As a note, I also believe the TRIM issue has been fixed with the CM10.2.1 stable too on the Nook HD+; so CM10.2.1 should be fine too, but I haven't tried it yet.
All the best.

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Jodo901 said:
Thanks for the quick responses guys! You've given me a bit more to consider and look into. That was one of the threads I bookmarked yesterday so thanks for pointing out it's validity. A further question that now comes to mind from what you both have said is how much of a hardware difference is there and is that something that can make a performance difference? Guess I'm still gonna be info diving for a bit tonight after work.
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hey jodo
i'm not sure what you mean by hardware difference? if you mean the effectiveness of each rom on the HD+ i suppose its a matter of preference and through trial and error in trying the roms available. It seems that CM11 is considered the faster of the roms available but as said previously this is an on-going rom development and not considered stable.
I considered what i was going to use my HD+ for, which in my case was surfing and reading books/comics and getting the best return on the stupidly low price vs decent spec and awesome screen. I didn't buy it to game as 1. its hardly a powerhouse for gaming and 2. i dislike mobile gaming and prefer PS and XBOX for that sorta thing. My priorities were smoothness, stability, customisation and battery life which i feel 10.1.3 provides, but others may disagree lol.
Fish

Thanks again for the input guys. :good:
I finally have a some time to dig in on the forums a little and maybe get to the rooting later. I'm running very light on the apps at this point. Just some online stuff, ebooks, comics, etc. Mostly looking for more control and customization.
@fishman09 - I thought perhaps there were hardware differences depending on the manufacture date of the Nook HD+ unit but I haven't seen anything like that so I assume it's a non issue. I know this can be something that makes a difference when hacking older game systems (Xbox, PSP, etc)
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Thanks again to everyone who gave me their 2 cents on my way into all this fun custom Android stuff on my Nook HD+!!
I have now successfully installed 10.2.1 and so far its working well and looks great.

Another data point: I was in same position as you. Decided to go for a cm11 nightly build (this was back in _Jan). It ran reasonably well, but I wondered if 10.2 would be more stable or better with battery life. It felt about the same, with couple missing things, notably no hiding of soft buttons. So I've now gone back to cm11, a march nightly build. I think it is as good as a $120 tablet is going to get . So I'm pretty happy and staying. I even enabled ART runtime and so far everything has run except asphalt 8.
Just make sure you format and wipe everything after doing a backup during your install process.

My Conclusion...or the time being.
Well after about 3 or 4 days of normal usage with CM 10.2.1 I have decided to go back to the stock version of the Nook.The difference in battery drain did not outweigh the bonuses of the upgraded OS for me at all. I would say the battery life was only about 2/3 as long. This is a big drawback in my opinion considering I really wasn't running anything differently. Yeah, it was a bit prettier and more customizable and I was very impressed with the stability, but it's kind of pointless to have a wireless device that you have to keep plugging in all the time.

Jodo901 said:
Well after about 3 or 4 days of normal usage with CM 10.2.1 I have decided to go back to the stock version of the Nook.The difference in battery drain did not outweigh the bonuses of the upgraded OS for me at all. I would say the battery life was only about 2/3 as long. This is a big drawback in my opinion considering I really wasn't running anything differently. Yeah, it was a bit prettier and more customizable and I was very impressed with the stability, but it's kind of pointless to have a wireless device that you have to keep plugging in all the time.
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I got my new Nook+ last week and pondered whether to root and which ROM to use. After one week of use, I have no real issues keeping it stock for now but will follow the kitkat development for possible future rooting.