Like the title says, is the Verizon Wireless Dev Edition worth the extra $50 for the unlocked bootloader and additional 16gb?
Coming from moto devices with locked bootloaders (Droid 1, 3, Razr Maxx) you would think it would be an easy answer because of the unlocked bootloader the Dev Edition has. Just want to make sure if it's really worth it, as this will most likely be my last Moto device (Thx to Lenovo).
Do you want a warranty if you plan to unlock? Do you need the 32gb or is 16 good?
I don't see any other need for discussion ....its what you need. No one here can guess what you need?
But my quick answer ...soley based on the fact that 50 is not a huge amount of cash....yes. I'd get it for sure if I could have. Why not?
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Do you want root without having to jump through hoops and ladders, hoping that someone finds an exploit after each OTA? If so then yes, the extra cost (which is just for the extra 16gb) isn't that much in the big picture and is definitely worth the convenience if you are a root/rom user.
Also, I don't think Lenovo is going to ruin Motorola like everyone is thinking they are, but that's for a different topic.
For me yes. I don't want a device that I cannot unlock the bootloader.
It's the same price as a non-DE 32 GB Moto X. The real question is, "what's more important for you: a custom-designed phone or an unlockable bootloader?" For me, the decision was easy, I took the DE and bought a diztronic case to cover the white back.
rda990 said:
Like the title says, is the Verizon Wireless Dev Edition worth the extra $50 for the unlocked bootloader and additional 16gb?
Coming from moto devices with locked bootloaders (Droid 1, 3, Razr Maxx) you would think it would be an easy answer because of the unlocked bootloader the Dev Edition has. Just want to make sure if it's really worth it, as this will most likely be my last Moto device (Thx to Lenovo).
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Yes it is.
kj2112 said:
Do you want a warranty if you plan to unlock? Do you need the 32gb or is 16 good?
I don't see any other need for discussion ....its what you need. No one here can guess what you need?
But my quick answer ...soley based on the fact that 50 is not a huge amount of cash....yes. I'd get it for sure if I could have. Why not?
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Keeping the warranty while unlocked would be nice. I currently have a 64gb external + 16gb internal on my Razr Maxx, so I probably will need all the space possible.
I just wanted to hear some opinions of people, if think it's worth it or not and why.
detonation said:
Do you want root without having to jump through hoops and ladders, hoping that someone finds an exploit after each OTA? If so then yes, the extra cost (which is just for the extra 16gb) isn't that much in the big picture and is definitely worth the convenience if you are a root/rom user.
Also, I don't think Lenovo is going to ruin Motorola like everyone is thinking they are, but that's for a different topic.
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Dev Edition comes rooted???
I really hope Lenovo doesn't, no one really knows. They could keep the Motorola name going for a few years and just get totally rid of it by slapping the name "Lenovo" on future moto hardware.
esmith818 said:
It's the same price as a non-DE 32 GB Moto X. The real question is, "what's more important for you: a custom-designed phone or an unlockable bootloader?" For me, the decision was easy, I took the DE and bought a diztronic case to cover the white back.
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All my phones have been protected with an Otterbox, never have been naked so there wouldn't be a point in getting a custom one.
How good is a diztronic compared to an Otterbox?
Thanks guys for your comments. I'll be ordering a Dev Edition later today, it's going to be hard letting go of my OG Razr Maxx.
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How good is a diztronic compared to an Otterbox?
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If you're an otter box guy, you'll want to stick with that brand. I have always gone case-less, but just can't stomach the white back on the DE. The diztronic is merely for looks -- I can't imagine it would be of any use if the phone were dropped.
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Dev Edition comes rooted???
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No, but it's about as easy as rooting a Nexus device (unlock the bootloader via Motorola's website, flash a custom recovery, then flash SU). And you get to keep your warranty.
Without the DE, you cannot unlock the bootloader, and to get root you need to downgrade to 4.2.2 and run an exploit which involves executing some scripts via telnut. And once the next OTA comes out, it's likely this method will be patched and you'd need to wait for another exploit to be found.
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No, but it's about as easy as rooting a Nexus device (unlock the bootloader via Motorola's website, flash a custom recovery, then flash SU). And you get to keep your warranty.
Without the DE, you cannot unlock the bootloader, and to get root you need to downgrade to 4.2.2 and run an exploit which involves executing some scripts via telnut. And once the next OTA comes out, it's likely this method will be patched and you'd need to wait for another exploit to be found.
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Other Moto x's can have unlocked bootloaders...except a couple. You just void warranty.
Just to be clear.
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Yes tho...if he gets an ordinary Verizon ....he can't unlock boot loader. Boo Verizon. Lol
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If the back is an issue just buy a new back off of eBay. They are pretty easy to get on and off.
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....it's going to be hard letting go of my OG Razr Maxx.
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I had a Razr MAXX and don't miss it at all. The Moto X is a much better phone. It won't match the battery life of the MAXX, but its worth the trade-off.
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If you're an otter box guy, you'll want to stick with that brand. I have always gone case-less, but just can't stomach the white back on the DE. The diztronic is merely for looks -- I can't imagine it would be of any use if the phone were dropped.
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Yea I'll just stick to Otterbox then. It's amazing how many times I've dropped my Razr Maxx (honestly over 100) and it's still running strong. My first Otterbox case started to show heavy signs of wear and tear so I got a brand new one from Otterbox thanks to their lifetime warranty :good:
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No, but it's about as easy as rooting a Nexus device (unlock the bootloader via Motorola's website, flash a custom recovery, then flash SU). And you get to keep your warranty.
Without the DE, you cannot unlock the bootloader, and to get root you need to downgrade to 4.2.2 and run an exploit which involves executing some scripts via telnut. And once the next OTA comes out, it's likely this method will be patched and you'd need to wait for another exploit to be found.
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Very easy I see. I thought that with every OTA even on the DE you have to re-root. So on a DE/Unlocked Bootleader SU/Root stays permanently, thanks for clarifying.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
I had a Razr MAXX and don't miss it at all. The Moto X is a much better phone. It won't match the battery life of the MAXX, but its worth the trade-off.
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I might miss it more since I paid ~$500 for the Limited Edition (Employee Edition) one, so to me it is much more than just a Razr Maxx, dumb I know...How different is battery life between the too? I would think that the X would hang in there with the Droid regardless of battery size since the Maxx is 2 years old.
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I might miss it more since I paid ~$500 for the Limited Edition (Employee Edition) one, so to me it is much more than just a Razr Maxx, dumb I know...How different is battery life between the too? I would think that the X would hang in there with the Droid regardless of battery size since the Maxx is 2 years old.
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With the MAXX I could easily get 24+ hours with 5.5-6 hrs screen on time with heavy use. Some people on here have been able to get close to that with their X, but I'm getting closer to 3.5-4 hrs of screen on time.
As always you're mileage may vary.
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Very easy I see. I thought that with every OTA even on the DE you have to re-root. So on a DE/Unlocked Bootleader SU/Root stays permanently, thanks for clarifying.
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Well you do have to re-root after an OTA (assuming you haven't made system changes so that you can even take it) just like a Nexus, but it's still simply just reflashing a custom recovery and the SU zip. The bootloader stays unlocked.
For me yes its worth it. Rooting a non-Dev edition, looks like too much monkey business for me to be involved in. And I do like the extra 16gb.
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For me yes its worth it. Rooting a non-Dev edition, looks like too much monkey business for me to be involved in. And I do like the extra 16gb.
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Rooting any unlocked x is the same.
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Yea I'll just stick to Otterbox then. It's amazing how many times I've dropped my Razr Maxx (honestly over 100) and it's still running strong. ...
Very easy I see. I thought that with every OTA even on the DE you have to re-root. So on a DE/Unlocked Bootleader SU/Root stays permanently, thanks for clarifying. .
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If you're going with a case, then the woven white back of the DE vs. customization of the moto maker version is off the table.
That brings it down to how much do you need root? and how easy do you want the root process to be.
Yes, you need to re-root for every OTA. To root in the first place, you flash a custom recovery (like TWRP), then flash/install SuperSU. To get ready for the next OTA, as long as you didn't touch system files, etc, just flash the stock recovery back on, take the OTA. Once its on there, re-root by flashing custom recovery then flash/install SuperSU.
I for one wanted root enough to purchase the Dev X for Verizon in early Nov, just two days before the first price drop. I don't regret it. Its easy to root, easy to put back to take OTA and re-root. And has 32gig (the 16gig version only had 11gig available to me out of the box which was not enough).
$50 for 16 GB was enough for me. The bootloader that is easier to unlock made the cost even more justifiable. I really don't care what my phone looks like as long as it is not gaudy, so the color choice, or lack thereof, didn't really bother me.
My only complaint with the phone is the current lack of development. Coming from a Galaxy Nexus toro, I knew there wouldn't be as much development, but it's drastically less. There have been no official releases from CM or AOKP which still baffles me.
The phone just isn't that popular for some crazy reason.....boo Google....hopefully the new guys turn Motorola around. Also the things that make the Moto x unique are gone on CM. So demand is low. Xposed fills the gap nicely tho.
Voiding warranties unlocking non dev boot loaders probably adds to the lack of interest too.
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So I'm a Galaxy Nexus (Verizon) user and looking to get a new phone. I'm looking at getting a Moto X and I have a few questions about it. Mainly in regards to rooting and getting cyanogenmod up and running on it. I don't mind using its stock rom as it seems rather close to stock android, but I'm curious as to how hard is it to root a Moto X on Verizon and getting cyanogenmod on it and keep the special features like the shake to unlock the camera and the voice commands. Also how is the battery on the device (I normally stick to 3G and maybe web surf a bit and look at my RSS feeds through the day not a lot of really data intense apps.) Thanks.
I just got my Moto X a few days ago and found that I enjoyed the experience so much on it that I decided not to root. I have been rooting my phones for a few years and finally found a stock experience that I enjoy.
I don't see a reason why you would want to lose the amazing features that Moto X offers by switching to CM.
You can root the phone (there are guides around the forums for this) and add Xposed modules to modify some parts of the phone, however, any OTA updates will cause some headaches. With 4.4 around the corner for the Moto X I am going to hold off rooting for a while and enjoy what Motorola gave to us.
i.Design said:
I just got my Moto X a few days ago and found that I enjoyed the experience so much on it that I decided not to root. I have been rooting my phones for a few years and finally found a stock experience that I enjoy.
I don't see a reason why you would want to lose the amazing features that Moto X offers by switching to CM.
You can root the phone (there are guides around the forums for this) and add Xposed modules to modify some parts of the phone, however, any OTA updates will cause some headaches. With 4.4 around the corner for the Moto X I am going to hold off rooting for a while and enjoy what Motorola gave to us.
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I'm also a long time rooter/CM kinda guy, galaxy nexus, GS3 etc etc, and I can honestly say that the only reason I would root this thing would be to change the battery icon (aaagh I hate it so much)
But this phone is so so good out of the box, it's just not worth wasting effort trying...although it would be nice to drop a new kernel on it.
Best phone I've had so far.
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I'm also a long time rooter/CM kinda guy, galaxy nexus, GS3 etc etc, and I can honestly say that the only reason I would root this thing would be to change the battery icon (aaagh I hate it so much)
But this phone is so so good out of the box, it's just not worth wasting effort trying...although it would be nice to drop a new kernel on it.
Best phone I've had so far.
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I will eventually root this thing... someday. I would also like a new kernel and I want to have Greenify back and some small customization options, but for now I am going to enjoy not troubleshooting some sort of issue that comes as a side effect of rooting.
I I just switched to the Moto X from the gnex on Sprint. I am very happy with my decision. The battery life is an enormous improvement over the gnex. I have always rooted my devices and installed custom roms, but I am yet to do so on the Moto X. It has a great stock set up. I will likely root once 4.4 is avaliable, but only to get rid of the sprint crap.
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That's great to hear about the battery and stock ROM. Has anyone used the Motomaker site yet (Mainly this goes out to AT&T owners). I'd like to get mine through that when it opens up for most carriers on the 11th. But I'm curious exactly how does the process goes with activation and such. And I just noticed Verizon only offers the 16gig model is there anyway to get a 32gig model with big red.
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That's great to hear about the battery and stock ROM. Has anyone used the Motomaker site yet (Mainly this goes out to AT&T owners). I'd like to get mine through that when it opens up for most carriers on the 11th. But I'm curious exactly how does the process goes with activation and such. And I just noticed Verizon only offers the 16gig model is there anyway to get a 32gig model with big red.
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Moto Maker allows an option for 32gb, so you could wait for that on Verizon, or the Developer Edition is 32gb but you have to pay $549 for it.
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That's great to hear about the battery and stock ROM. Has anyone used the Motomaker site yet (Mainly this goes out to AT&T owners). I'd like to get mine through that when it opens up for most carriers on the 11th. But I'm curious exactly how does the process goes with activation and such. And I just noticed Verizon only offers the 16gig model is there anyway to get a 32gig model with big red.
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We're hoping when Verizon gets Moto maker access 32gb will be an option. Right now you can get a 32gb developer version but you'll have to pay full price, ($550) and is only available in a weird white /black combo.
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Vergil117 said:
That's great to hear about the battery and stock ROM. Has anyone used the Motomaker site yet (Mainly this goes out to AT&T owners). I'd like to get mine through that when it opens up for most carriers on the 11th. But I'm curious exactly how does the process goes with activation and such. And I just noticed Verizon only offers the 16gig model is there anyway to get a 32gig model with big red.
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Moto maker is a breeze... You do everything through the website, new line, upgrade or off contact. Much easier than I had anticipated.
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Came from a galaxy "nexus" to the X and love it. I finally did root it and have played with Xposed a bit, and I will probably never flash a rom again. Xposed let's me change all of the things that I cared about on AOKP like having a torch toggle in QS, and statusbar/navbar transparency. To be honest, if I didn't want to enable native tether privileges (still unlimited here), I wouldn't be rooted.
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I am a prior nexus owner and I spent month with the HTC one and then took it back because it was garbage. I have had my x for only a couple of days and I mist say I am EXTREMELY impressed. If you loved your gnex you will love this phone!
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swegin said:
I am a prior nexus owner and I spent month with the HTC one and then took it back because it was garbage. I have had my x for only a couple of days and I mist say I am EXTREMELY impressed. If you loved your gnex you will love this phone!
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HTC One was garbage? Wow.
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HTC One was garbage? Wow.
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I LOVE HTC but I had the one for five weeks and at least 1 out of 4 calls were dropped randomly or my cheek would hang up the call. I loved the look of the one and thought sense 5 was the best sense yet. However due to the dropped calls the phone just did not work for me.
I have talked to others that returned the phone for the same reason
I wouldn't use the HTC one either. The sense UI is rather sluggish (I've used in the past before - HTC incredible and I've used the demo of the HTC one they had the verizon store and it was the same slowness), Not at all a fan of beats by dre/monster cables. And the button layout is kinda eh. Used to having 4 icons at the bottom with the main menu button being near the center.
Vergil117 said:
....but I'm curious as to how hard is it to root a Moto X on Verizon and getting cyanogenmod on it and keep the special features....
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Question for the group... Will rooting alone allow you to install CM? Is CM available to be flashed via safestrap?
I ask because -> http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...cyanogenmod-10-2-experimental-nightly-builds/ and -> http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Xt1060_Info seem to indicate its for Unlocked bootloader or Developer Edition. And since there is no way yet to unlock the non-Dev Edition's boot loader, it further appears its really for Dev Ed only. And all the roms that aren't a leak from Moto in the Developer sections here also state you need a Developer Edition X or Unlocked boot loader.
Vergil117, as far as rooting, JCASE has released ways to root the initial shipping rom version, and the OTA update for the camera fix. So that is easy enough. I have rooted mine, just to tether (I still have unlimited). As with other devices, if you don't have an unlocked boot loader, rooting after new ROM updates are pushed is uncertain.
Like most have posted, I think the X in its stock form is very nice, and I don't find a need to flash a alternate ROM. If you flash to CM, you'll loose the Moto customization like touch-less control, shake for camera, etc.
So I ordered a moto X through the Motomaker software on monday night. It still says est delivery by the 15 but it also says it hasn't shipped. Kinda worried.
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So I ordered a moto X through the Motomaker software on monday night. It still says est delivery by the 15 but it also says it hasn't shipped. Kinda worried.
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Same, I got to step 2 on Tuesday morning and that's been it so far. I'm hopeful we'll get our shipping notifications soon so we can get our phones before the weekend. But I know Moto probably got slammed with a bunch of orders on Monday so some of us may have to wait till next week...
Update to the shipping post. I got the fedex info and it should be here Friday yay.
Motorola's update system is way behind. When I ordered mine, over a month ago, It didn't say shipped until the morning it arrived and I didn't get a tracking number until an hour or so after I had already received the device.
But it arrived the day they said it would... I'd rather the info be late instead of the phone
Moto X rocking 4.4
Oh I know the feeling, Fedex was being lazy yesterday with my order. I live in a gated apartment building, the main lobby is like right next to the door to the building. I honestly think they saw the door and said oh no one here and went away. So I had to call them and tell them to drop it off at a fedex store.
So I'm having a bit of a conundrum. My current RAZR M is very nice, but is facing a few problems (I won't go into detail). After a lot of research, I've decided the Moto X will most likely be my next phone. Some additional motivation is I have a $50 coupon off a new Moto X and tomorrow starts Motorola's Moto X Valentine's Day sale. It seems like a good time to pick one up.
My question is should I get the Dev version with the black front with white backing, to which I'm not a huge fan of or get a MotoMaker version and design one that I like? Like most here, once I get my hands on the device, I'm going to want to root it and start tweaking everything to my liking. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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So I'm having a bit of a conundrum. My current RAZR M is very nice, but is facing a few problems (I won't go into detail). After a lot of research, I've decided the Moto X will most likely be my next phone. Some additional motivation is I have a $50 coupon off a new Moto X and tomorrow starts Motorola's Moto X Valentine's Day sale. It seems like a good time to pick one up.
My question is should I get the Dev version with the black front with white backing, to which I'm not a huge fan of or get a MotoMaker version and design one that I like? Like most here, once I get my hands on the device, I'm going to want to root it and start tweaking everything to my liking. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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There have been lots of threads on this. Searching is good.
The cheapest, most customizable and most tweakable is the T-Mobile version. this comes already carrier unlocked, and you can unlock its bootloader easily.
Hikikomori-Otaku said:
My question is should I get the Dev version with the black front with white backing, to which I'm not a huge fan of or get a MotoMaker version and design one that I like?
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I think you already know the answer. It's like trying to decide between the ugly girl who gives it up easily or the attractive girl who makes you work for it but is totally worth the time and effort.
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I think you already know the answer. It's like trying to decide between the ugly girl who gives it up easily or the attractive girl who makes you work for it but is totally worth the time and effort.
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I deal with my hot wife every day. I want my phone to be easy. I went with the dev model and am happy
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We like our phones hot like your wife lol
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Hikikomori-Otaku said:
So I'm having a bit of a conundrum. My current RAZR M is very nice, but is facing a few problems (I won't go into detail). After a lot of research, I've decided the Moto X will most likely be my next phone. Some additional motivation is I have a $50 coupon off a new Moto X and tomorrow starts Motorola's Moto X Valentine's Day sale. It seems like a good time to pick one up.
My question is should I get the Dev version with the black front with white backing, to which I'm not a huge fan of or get a MotoMaker version and design one that I like? Like most here, once I get my hands on the device, I'm going to want to root it and start tweaking everything to my liking. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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I'm assuming you're a VZW customer, and planning to stay as one... So don't get the Tmobile version.
What means more to you, a customized look, or the ability to unlock it? Unlocking guarantees you the ability to root. While you can root the VZW moto maker phones, you cannot now, and likely will never be able to unlock it.
TheSaw said:
There have been lots of threads on this. Searching is good.
The cheapest, most customizable and most tweakable is the T-Mobile version. this comes already carrier unlocked, and you can unlock its bootloader easily.
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To be fair, I did search and not just here. Most what I found were people moving from "top-tier" model phones. The other being that the prices have change a bit from the release date. I will keep you advice in mind though.
I was thining the T-Mobile version would be the best too. From what I've read, it'll be a bit of work but that is part of the fun.
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I think you already know the answer. It's like trying to decide between the ugly girl who gives it up easily or the attractive girl who makes you work for it but is totally worth the time and effort.
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While I may not like to context of your analogy, you message is clear. Getting a beautiful phone and putting forth a bit of work to making fully my own may be worth it in the end.
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I'm assuming you're a VZW customer, and planning to stay as one... So don't get the Tmobile version.
What means more to you, a customized look, or the ability to unlock it? Unlocking guarantees you the ability to root. While you can root the VZW moto maker phones, you cannot now, and likely will never be able to unlock it.
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When I originally got my RAZR M, I was on VZW (prepaid to be exact), the tweaks I had done to make it work on their network caused to phone to not play well with the network at times. I removed the frequency block on the radio and now am running my RAZR M with a GoPhone SIM. Works much better even if AT&T's coverage isn't as good a VZW's in my area.
Yes, I know this has been beaten to death, but I have also found myself in the "which one" boat. Has anyone else been torn and made the decision? how do you feel about your choice? thoughts?
I don't like the color scheme of the dev edition, but i like the concept of ensured root and custom ROMs, if development picks up pace. That being said, I get the impression that CM and other non-stock roms lose the beautiful features of touchless control and active notifications. Is this still true? If so, is there hope for it in the future? Is there any real advantage to the DE other than not having to wait for a root exploit? I'm currently very happy on eclipse, but i did find myself frustrated while waiting for a 4.4 root exploit. Anyway, just looking to get some general impressions on whose happy with having chosen one or the other and why. And also, if you've tried DE-only ROMS, which ones and what you thought of them.
Thanks XD
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Yes, I know this has been beaten to death, but I have also found myself in the "which one" boat. Has anyone else been torn and made the decision? how do you feel about your choice? thoughts?
I don't like the color scheme of the dev edition, but i like the concept of ensured root and custom ROMs, if development picks up pace. That being said, I get the impression that CM and other non-stock roms lose the beautiful features of touchless control and active notifications. Is this still true? If so, is there hope for it in the future? Is there any real advantage to the DE other than not having to wait for a root exploit? I'm currently very happy on eclipse, but i did find myself frustrated while waiting for a 4.4 root exploit. Anyway, just looking to get some general impressions on whose happy with having chosen one or the other and why. And also, if you've tried DE-only ROMS, which ones and what you thought of them.
Thanks XD
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It's much easier to root the DEV, but both can be http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2603358
I fought this very same thing ... Really not into a two-toned phone LOL
But after playing with the Moto Maker site and seeing my custom 32GB ebony/black/silver device was the same exact price as a dev edition device, I promptly removed the custom device from my cart and got the dev edition. I know I will root, not necessarily ROM, so why not take the path of least resistance? Also, I'll definitely be getting a case so there's a good chance that eventually all those customizations will be hidden anyway.
Just my $0.02
Note 3 .... that is all!!
I got a 16gig retail "black woven" Demo X from Verizon in early Sept that I used for two months. This was the first phone in a long while that I didn't use a case for. It felt great in my hand. I didn't drop it. And after using it, I saw little need to root. Tethering was the biggest draw for root, along with blocking ads.
I've never been a fan of alternate ROMs. The ones I've tried on past phones always had bugs or issues, got updated frequently, etc. I spent more time "debugging" and "flashing" my phone than actually using it. With its stock ROM, the X just works and is so close to stock android that I don't want to mess that up with a custom rom. So I haven't really looked into the availability of the custom Moto X features (like active display, voice control, etc)
In early Nov when it came time to send the demo back, I opted to purchase the Dev Edition X for Verizon. At the time it was way more expensive, voided the warranty to unlock the bootloader, but the only 32gig option for Verizon, and most important to me was the ability to root without waiting on an exploit. When the Kit Kat root came out so fast, I was kind of kicking myself for not just using an upgrade and getting the Retail X. BUT.. seeing how involved the SlapMyMoto & MotoWpNoMo processes are compared to rooting the Dev Edition X, I felt better about my purchase. With the Dev X, its just flash TWRP recovery, boot into it and install SuperSU no matter what version stock ROM you are running. There is also the unknown of the 4.4.2 update coming, what is needed to install it if you've rooted with SlapMyMoto, and how to re-root if you have a locked boot loader. That wont be a problem with the Dev Ed. And recently Moto changed their policy about unlocking the Dev Edition bootloader, it no longer voids the warranty, and they re-instated the warranties which also makes me feel better.
I wouldn't say I'm a "fan" of the Dev Ed backing, either color or its slipperiness. The texture of the black woven demo I had was different/better. I have dropped my Dev X at home (on the carpet thankfully). To solve the lack of grip, I got one of those XtremeGuard full body kits when they were on sale for like $2.50 including shipping. I've only put the back on my phone and it has helped. I also have a SUPCASE and a Minisuit Clipster The cases do cover up the back, so had I opted for a MotoMaker, I wouldn't see its back when in the case. While both cases do alter the size and feel a little, its not enough to make me not use the case.
In the end, its up to you. Ease of Root and Write Protection Enable, Possibility of running 3rd party ROMs (which may cost you the Moto X features) vs custom colors and trim which might get covered by a case anyway, and may be less slippery without a case, and uncertainty of rooting.
Oh, and you can still use safe strap to run a few "custom" roms on the motomaker X.
I had the same struggle then concluded that I know I'll put a case on it and I know I hate bloatware, google included, and will want to remove it so I chose the developer edition...
Make life easier on yourself and go with the Dev Edition. You have guaranteed control of your phone.
ROMing on this phone is almost pointless with GravityBox being able to customize almost anything you'd get on a custom ROM anyway, as long as you can root. That makes the Dev edition not as important, but it also means root is required and that is only guaranteed with the Dev edition.
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I got a Moto Maker version, and while I love the phone, I do sorta regret not getting a Dev Edition. I haven't bothered to root my phone, since this phone is so fantastic on its own (and I figured out how to restore app data), but it would be nice to unlock the bootloader in case I wanted to try some ROMs.
That being said, personally, I think stock Moto X is superior to CyanogenMod (which I have on other devices). And there isn't any real bloatware (since you can always Disable it).
Bought a MotoMaker and don't regret not opting for the Dev Edition at all. The root process wasn't difficult at all. If you think that it was, stop using toolkits. I'm not a developer nor do I work in the IT industry, I'm just a tech geek like most people here. Knowing how to use adb and fastboot has saved my ass many times
Ha, well the funny thing is, I AM a developer, so part of me likes the crazy exploits that came out for the Moto X. But I'm getting to a point in my life where, between work, a relationship, and all the little things in between, time is an increasingly rare commodity. When the telnet root exploit came out, I was like "wow, what a wizard to have figured that out!", and it was kind of fun, but then especially having to do it again on 4.4, reading about, setting up, and actually executing the exploit can be time consuming. It's not challenging, just time consuming. Why spend an hour or two doing that when I could spend 10 minutes flashing SU in twrp? Also, when 4.4 came out, I found myself checking the forum daily for a new root exploit, reading up on things, and overall just being very anxious for it. Again, that's time I could have spent doing other things if I had had the DE.
Thus, as it has been with many other decisions in my life, I will have to go the path of function over form. I am pretty set on getting the DE now (unless in the next couple days a Droid 5 is confirmed XD miss my physical keyboard). I'll just get that SUPCASE that was posted above, as I think the black/black variant looks rather nice, and will cover up the white that I don't like. Plus, there's an excuse for protecting my phone, eh?
Even if I just end up running Eclipse on it anyway, I think I like knowing that when 4.4.2 and eventually other versions of android come out, I will be able to root immediately and easily. And if custom roms continue to make progress, I'll have those options as well.
Plus, I was also reading there's a tutorial for removing the backplate, and backplates have shown up on ebay.
DogzOfWar said:
I got a Moto Maker version, and while I love the phone, I do sorta regret not getting a Dev Edition. I haven't bothered to root my phone, since this phone is so fantastic on its own (and I figured out how to restore app data), but it would be nice to unlock the bootloader in case I wanted to try some ROMs.
That being said, personally, I think stock Moto X is superior to CyanogenMod (which I have on other devices). And there isn't any real bloatware (since you can always Disable it).
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Hi there - I have a DE on the way and my wife has a Moto Maker on the way. What's the best way to restore app data on an MM device?
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Hi there - I have a DE on the way and my wife has a Moto Maker on the way. What's the best way to restore app data on an MM device?
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Here is my article in how to restore without root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2604423
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MikeyNick said:
t's not challenging, just time consuming. Why spend an hour or two doing that when I could spend 10 minutes flashing SU in twrp?
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If it takes "you" an hour or two to root this phone, it's probably best that "you" not attempt it yourself. It's as simple as downloading a few files, reading some instructions, then typing them in letter for letter.
If you have enough time to browse and post on this forum, you have enough time to root this device. Took me all of 15 mins.
rsage said:
Hi there - I have a DE on the way and my wife has a Moto Maker on the way. What's the best way to restore app data on an MM device?
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Moto Migrate.
nhizzat said:
Moto Migrate.
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As far as I know, MM only migrates photos, videos, texts, calls, etc., but not app data like saved games, shared preferences, etc. I could be wrong, haven't tried it
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If it takes "you" an hour or two to root this phone, it's probably best that "you" not attempt it yourself. It's as simple as downloading a few files, reading some instructions, then typing them in letter for letter.
If you have enough time to browse and post on this forum, you have enough time to root this device. Took me all of 15 mins.
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Unless "you" simply look at commands and then type them, i don't think that's a 15 minute process. I think it is safe to assume that a majority of people like to understand the risk of a new root exploit. You're telling me when the telnet exploit came out for the very first time, it took you 15 minutes? I for one like to read about the potential risks, how the exploit works (best to stay informed, eh?), others' experiences with it thus far, etc. I don't think that's an atypical pattern. Yea, now that I've read about it and already know it, I can brush through a re-root quite quickly, but unless you're just going into a blind I don't think running a new exploit is a 15 minute process in most cases.
Sorry if that sounded a little disgruntled. I just couldn't help but get a "you don't seem good enough to muss about with your phone" vibe from that. Perhaps I should have been a little more particular, and mentioned that i was thinking more along the lines of the first time you run a new root exploit.
I battled myself on this for a while and ended up going with the dev edition. I couldn't decide on what color scheme I wanted so I said f it and went dev.
Note 2 N3BULIZED!
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I battled myself on this for a while and ended up going with the dev edition. I couldn't decide on what color scheme I wanted so I said f it and went dev.
Note 2 N3BULIZED!
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Haven't ordered yet, and now maybe reconsidering all together after the lenovo news.
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Haven't ordered yet, and now maybe reconsidering all together after the lenovo news.
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The Lenovo deal wouldn't stop me. I went through the IBM PC division sold to Lenovo, and have been using Thinkpads since about 1995. They haven't screwed up the Thinkpads after all this time, so I'm hopeful they don't screw up the Moto devices.
Yea, I've been doing a lot of reading on it. Strong arguments on both sides. Either way, I suppose even if they do muss about with stuff, we'll definitely get 4.4.2. Who knows if future updates might have some bloat on them, or how long it'll take to get them. But with the developer edition, I guess that's much less of a concern. Plus, considering how popular this phone has been, it's hard to believe anyone would want to drop good support for it.
Still have till the third to decide, since that's when my code is valid through XD
I am looking to get a no contract Moto X. They say the model is XT1053. I don't want the Dev version because I like the Moto software that comes on the no Dev version. Is the Dev version just pure Android?
I am coming from the AT&T Galaxy S4 not rooted but sim unlocked.
I know the Moto X is a nice phone but almost having a hard time to commit to the purchase. I will be selling the Galaxy S4 to recoup the money but what would you do?
shamelin73 said:
I am looking to get a no contract Moto X. They say the model is XT1053. I don't want the Dev version because I like the Moto software that comes on the no Dev version. Is the Dev version just pure Android?
I am coming from the AT&T Galaxy S4 not rooted but sim unlocked.
I know the Moto X is a nice phone but almost having a hard time to commit to the purchase. I will be selling the Galaxy S4 to recoup the money but what would you do?
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Dev version and regular version are identical. The only difference is you don't lose your warranty when you unlock.
The Moto X is the best phone I've ever used, bar none. If you have read reviews and think you'll like it, buy it.
xd1936 said:
Dev version and regular version are identical. The only difference is you don't lose your warranty when you unlock.
The Moto X is the best phone I've ever used, bar none. If you have read reviews and think you'll like it, buy it.
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So the Dev version has the Moto Active display notifications? So it would be worth going that route well it is 324 too. Just dont know if I like the black front and white back.
shamelin73 said:
So the Dev version has the Moto Active display notifications? So it would be worth going that route well it is 324 too. Just dont know if I like the black front and white back.
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Yes. The Dev version and regular version are identical hardware and software.
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If you aren't interested in Unlocking the bootloader, I'd say get the moto maker version. Its a fantastic phone and you'll no doubt enjoy it regardless of which one you buy.
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So the Dev version has the Moto Active display notifications? So it would be worth going that route well it is 324 too. Just dont know if I like the black front and white back.
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The Dev Edition XT1053, and the GSM Unlocked (comes with T-Mobile SIM) XT1053 and GSM Unlocked (comes with Net10 Sim) XT1053 use the same rom, radio, baseband, etc. They have the same software pre-installed, the same features, etc.
The Dev Edition comes only as Black Front, woven white back that says Dev Edition, silver accents (buttons and camera ring), 32gig, and unlocking the bootloader does NOT void the warranty.
The GSM Unlocked (with T-Mo or Net10 sim) is basically the same, except available as 16, 32 or 64gig, fully customizable front/back/accents, and unlocking its bootloader DOES void the warranty.
So if having the warranty is more important than looks, go with the Dev Edition and put a case on it. If looks or 64gig are more important than warranty, go Moto Maker.
I have a VZW developer edition. I purchased a black back cover for it. The covers are pretty easy to replace.
I wanted an unlocked bootloader so I would have the option of flashing mods or ROMs in the future. So far I'm satisfied with the stock software, but there may be a point in time I want something different.
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I have a VZW developer edition. I purchased a black back cover for it. The covers are pretty easy to replace.
I wanted an unlocked bootloader so I would have the option of flashing mods or ROMs in the future. So far I'm satisfied with the stock software, but there may be a point in time I want something different.
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Do you still have the white back?
Yep. Keeping it in case I decide to sell or change my mind down the road.
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Yep. Keeping it in case I decide to sell or change my mind down the road.
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Well if you decide to sell, let me know. I don't have a verizon moto x, but I like the woven white back better.
TY all for the help I will get the Moto Maker no contract one as the woven black is showing available again.
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I have a VZW developer edition. I purchased a black back cover for it. The covers are pretty easy to replace.
I wanted an unlocked bootloader so I would have the option of flashing mods or ROMs in the future. So far I'm satisfied with the stock software, but there may be a point in time I want something different.
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Nice. Where'd you get a black back plate? I'd like to change that also. Love having dev edition. Got it the day it launched but not a fan of the white back.
There is a thread somewhere in this forum with links to purchase replacement back plates. I think mine came from china.
Well I pulled the trigger on the Developer edition. I know the new ones are just around the corner but couldn't pass up the deal they have now.
I am coming from the AT&T Galaxy S4. Has been a nice phone but to bloated and locked down.
Can't wait.
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shamelin73 said:
Well I pulled the trigger on the Developer edition. I know the new ones are just around the corner but couldn't pass up the deal they have now.
I am coming from the AT&T Galaxy S4. Has been a nice phone but to bloated and locked down.
Can't wait.
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Woo hoo! Welcome to the club! Let us know if you have any questions.
I say no. The screen brightness/color accuracy is not good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/fyi-dim-screen-moto-white-glove-t2753559
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I say no. The screen brightness/color accuracy is not good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/fyi-dim-screen-moto-white-glove-t2753559
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Nobody in this forum seems to have experienced what you did tho.
Doesn't mean all moto x's have that issue. Mine sure doesn't. ?
KJ said:
Nobody in this forum seems to have experienced what you did tho.
Doesn't mean all moto x's have that issue. Mine sure doesn't. ?
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I ended up with a "best example" of any X. The screen just not up to other phones for outdoor readability!
With no contract and being able to customize the look to meet your color needs, notifications and touch less control, Motorola Assist how can you not get one.
$299.99 for 16GB
$324.99 for 32GB
These people that ***** about this and that spend endless time complaining about everything!
No phone is perfect but its a good phone had it since roll out.
aviwdoowks said:
I say no. The screen brightness/color accuracy is not good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/fyi-dim-screen-moto-white-glove-t2753559
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I am not a fan of X's display coming from an S4, but which AMOLED panel has good colour accuracy? They all are extremely over saturated, S4 was, S5 is (a completely different story with Cinema preset though), and X is too. Yes I will agree that it's more saturated than S4's display, but still it's not that bad that I will have to complain about it. It's basically the same display which was used in Note 2 right?
So, I'm very new to the android community, and that being said, a total virgin as well to the rooting community. About a week and 1/2 to about 2 weeks ago, I went into AT&T, and purchased a second gen. Motorola X. I love it, I'm an IOS native, and android definitely seems to be for me, plus my 4S was shattered, and has been for the past 10-11 months, so needless to say this was huge upgrade. I was always jailbroken, and I'm not so modestly put, very good with computers. However, for whatever you needed with jailbreaking, there was a huge community behind you whom had likely the same device as you, and had similar wants/needs, who already made an inquiry as public information. Maybe I'm just being ignorant. Is there a root available for the new Moto X running 4.4.4? I haven't found anything saying necessarily that there was or wasn't for that version, or how to do it if there was one, so if anyone had any sort of clarification they could bring to the table, or general tips or information they could offer up, I would appreciate it immensely .
-Joe Lennon Phillips
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So, I'm very new to the android community, and that being said, a total virgin as well to the rooting community. About a week and 1/2 to about 2 weeks ago, I went into AT&T, and purchased a second gen. Motorola X. I love it, I'm an IOS native, and android definitely seems to be for me, plus my 4S was shattered, and has been for the past 10-11 months, so needless to say this was huge upgrade. I was always jailbroken, and I'm not so modestly put, very good with computers. However, for whatever you needed with jailbreaking, there was a huge community behind you whom had likely the same device as you, and had similar wants/needs, who already made an inquiry as public information. Maybe I'm just being ignorant. Is there a root available for the new Moto X running 4.4.4? I haven't found anything saying necessarily that there was or wasn't for that version, or how to do it if there was one, so if anyone had any sort of clarification they could bring to the table, or general tips or information they could offer up, I would appreciate it immensely .
-Joe Lennon Phillips
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Is it an unlocked version? If so, then yes root is available. Check the Moto X Android Development forum and you'll find guides for the same
jdlpjoe said:
So, I'm very new to the android community, and that being said, a total virgin as well to the rooting community. About a week and 1/2 to about 2 weeks ago, I went into AT&T, and purchased a second gen. Motorola X. I love it, I'm an IOS native, and android definitely seems to be for me, plus my 4S was shattered, and has been for the past 10-11 months, so needless to say this was huge upgrade. I was always jailbroken, and I'm not so modestly put, very good with computers. However, for whatever you needed with jailbreaking, there was a huge community behind you whom had likely the same device as you, and had similar wants/needs, who already made an inquiry as public information. Maybe I'm just being ignorant. Is there a root available for the new Moto X running 4.4.4? I haven't found anything saying necessarily that there was or wasn't for that version, or how to do it if there was one, so if anyone had any sort of clarification they could bring to the table, or general tips or information they could offer up, I would appreciate it immensely .
-Joe Lennon Phillips
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As far as I know, there is no root yet available for non Pure edition Moto Xs. Have faith in the community and give it a bit of time, surely there will be a root method soon enough. If you paid full price for yours as opposed to buying it on contract, you could always return it and get a Pure edition directly from the motomaker website. It has zero AT&T bloat, an unlockable bootloader so you can root it right away, and it will most likely get updates quicker than any of the carrier branded models.
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As far as I know, there is no root yet available for non Pure edition Moto Xs. Have faith in the community and give it a bit of time, surely there will be a root method soon enough.
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Any variant that has an unlockable bootloader can be rooted using the Pure Edition method.
borxnx said:
Any variant that has an unlockable bootloader can be rooted using the Pure Edition method.
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Yeah, I was only taking into consideration the AT&T and Verizon models, because aside from the Pure, those are the only other ones available in the US. But you are correct, if the bootloader is unlockable then the root method is the same.
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Yeah, I was only taking into consideration the AT&T and Verizon models, because aside from the Pure, those are the only other ones available in the US. But you are correct, if the bootloader is unlockable then the root method is the same.
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You're forgetting US Cellular! XT1093 unlockable bootloader FTW!
borxnx said:
You're forgetting US Cellular! XT1093 unlockable bootloader FTW!
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There's a U.S. Cellular branded one? I completely forgot they still existed lol.
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