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[Q] Using ISIS NFC Payments

Hello! I would like to start using ISIS mobile payments on my Developer Edition HTC One, because it lacks a secure element that Google requires. It says the service is currently only available in Salt Lake City and Austin, but I don't see how it could possibly be restricted. Any help would be great. I need NFC payments on my phone. It should theoretically work for this device because AT&T claims it works for their version of the HTC One, which is virtually identical. Thanks.

I too would like to start using ISIS on my phone. I went ahead and got the enhanced SIM card from AT&T, but Google Play won't let me install the app. Is that because my phone is a Developer Edition?
With the 20% cash back, it might be worth it to temporarily reflash my phone as an AT&T version. I think that would allow ISIS to work. What do you guys think?

Well, I RUUed my phone with the AT&T image. I now have ISIS working. I plan to take advantage of the current offers, then switch back hopefully when Kit Kat arrives.
At least AT&T is upgraded to 4.3. I didn't really want to go backwards.

[Q] NFC Secure element in the Moto X?

I've tried researching this but no where can I find information on if the Moto X has NFC secure element or even general information on how to check if any phone has it.
Does anybody know anything about this?
My main reason for checking (not that it matters) is I'm curious about future Google Wallet capabilities.

Pretty much any phone with NFC can use Google Wallet.
The "NFC Secure Element" is bull**** from Verizon so they have an excuse to use ISIS and block Google Wallet.
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jimmyco2008 said:
Pretty much any phone with NFC can use Google Wallet.
The "NFC Secure Element" is bull**** from Verizon so they have an excuse to use ISIS and block Google Wallet.
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That is completely false. The secure element is a necessary component of the way Wallet currently works. If it were just a Verizon excuse, why does the Nexus 7 (which is sold directly by Google among other retailers, can be Wi-Fi only, and is available on carriers other than Verizon) lack the ability to use Wallet?

Well riddle me this- what is a "secure element"?
It is, namely, an SD Card or SIM card (http://www.smartcardalliance.org/pages/publications-nfc-frequently-asked-questions#7), or a chip built into a device.
Verizon does not allow Wallet on any of its phones because, according to them, they lack a "secure element" for NFC. With that in mind, virtually all their phones can get and use Wallet just fine. Therefore, it must be possible to use Wallet without the "secure element", you just wouldn't have the secure element (theoretically making it easier for credit card info and the like to be stolen...but...)... Or maybe Verizon is just bull****ting all of us and all our phones have Secure Elements.
So Verizon claims that bull**** to push ISIS, of whom they have an alliance with, and so it would be in their best interest to find a reason to block Wallet and force all their customers to use ISIS.
At the same time: http://www.talkandroid.com/169810-the-new-nexus-7-does-not-officially-support-google-wallet/ There are some instances in which a device genuinely lacks the "secure element", ie the new Nexus 7. But then again I said "pretty much any phone can use Google Wallet". From a practical viewpoint, why would you use a tablet with Google Wallet? It's like talking on a phone with a tablet, it looks stupid.

jimmyco2008 said:
Well riddle me this- what is a "secure element"?
It is, namely, an SD Card or SIM card (http://www.smartcardalliance.org/pages/publications-nfc-frequently-asked-questions#7), or a chip built into a device.
Verizon does not allow Wallet on any of its phones because, according to them, they lack a "secure element" for NFC. With that in mind, virtually all their phones can get and use Wallet just fine. Therefore, it must be possible to use Wallet without the "secure element", you just wouldn't have the secure element (theoretically making it easier for credit card info and the like to be stolen...but...)... Or maybe Verizon is just bull****ting all of us and all our phones have Secure Elements.
So Verizon claims that bull**** to push ISIS, of whom they have an alliance with, and so it would be in their best interest to find a reason to block Wallet and force all their customers to use ISIS.
At the same time: http://www.talkandroid.com/169810-the-new-nexus-7-does-not-officially-support-google-wallet/ There are some instances in which a device genuinely lacks the "secure element", ie the new Nexus 7. But then again I said "pretty much any phone can use Google Wallet". From a practical viewpoint, why would you use a tablet with Google Wallet? It's like talking on a phone with a tablet, it looks stupid.
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Well, the Galaxy Nexus did have a "secure element" because sideloading Wallet on the Verizon version worked fine. So Verizon was completely bull****ting us on that one. I'd wager that all samsung devices that use the "nfc chip in the battery" have a secure element. Maybe even any device that has it built into the battery. Not sure which way the Moto X has it.
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blipp said:
I'd wager that all samsung devices that use the "nfc chip in the battery" have a secure element. Maybe even any device that has it built into the battery. Not sure which way the Moto X has it.
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According to this teardown, it looks like our NFC antenna is separate from the battery (see steps 7 and 8)
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola+Moto+X+Teardown/16867/1?singlePage

So, it looks like Google has posted the list of Google Wallet eligible devices: https://support.google.com/wallet/answer/1347934?hl=en
They say that Wallet "requires one of the following NFC-enabled Android devices running 2.3 (Gingerbread) or higher, with a Secure Element chip, on select carrier networks"
The Moto X is on the list, but only the Sprint variant.

rubiksmoose said:
So, it looks like Google has posted the list of Google Wallet eligible devices: https://support.google.com/wallet/answer/1347934?hl=en
They say that Wallet "requires one of the following NFC-enabled Android devices running 2.3 (Gingerbread) or higher, with a Secure Element chip, on select carrier networks"
The Moto X is on the list, but only the Sprint variant.
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Then it should work fine for the other variants once you load the app (may need one of the modified APKs on XDA). Sprint is just the only one of the major carriers that doesn't block Wallet. The others are trying to push Isis instead.

I'm using the t mobile variant and can confirm google wallet does not give me the tap to pay options in the app
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Well, the Rogers Moto X doesn't seem to work either.
Things I have tried:
Download directly from Google Play
BUILD.PROP modifications
Editing etc/nfcee_access.xml
Adding /framework/com.android.nfc_extras.jar
Using a hacked version from XDA
Using the xposed module "Xposed Wallet Patcher"
I did all of those things as well as combinations of them together and none of them worked. Sometimes they just set up with Tap-to-pay disabled. Sometimes it just stays on the "Setting some things up" screen for 5+ minutes and then crashes. The crash seems to be caused by a non-existent or malfunctioning secure element. But, all the signs point to non-sprint devices not having a secure element. I hope that thats not true and someone smarter than I can get Google Wallet up and running.

Secure element can be part of the SIM card. That's how ISIS does it. It's possible Sprint versions have the secure element on the Sprint SIM. I believe Sprint generally makes their SIM cards nonremovable, but if a Sprint Moto X owner could get access to their SIM card, then put it in a Moto X from a different carrier and see if Wallet enables the tap to pay function (assuming you're using the xposed module, etc. so everything should function correctly and keeping in mind you'd have to test over wi-fi since the Sprint SIM wouldn't activate the phone on whatever network the other Moto X is, obviously.)

It does appear it needs the secure element to be part of the sim card. Telus in Canada just announced an updated sim with a secure element built in for NFC purchases.

jimmyco2008 said:
Well riddle me this- what is a "secure element"?
It is, namely, an SD Card or SIM card (http://www.smartcardalliance.org/pages/publications-nfc-frequently-asked-questions#7), or a chip built into a device.
Verizon does not allow Wallet on any of its phones because, according to them, they lack a "secure element" for NFC. With that in mind, virtually all their phones can get and use Wallet just fine. Therefore, it must be possible to use Wallet without the "secure element", you just wouldn't have the secure element (theoretically making it easier for credit card info and the like to be stolen...but...)... Or maybe Verizon is just bull****ting all of us and all our phones have Secure Elements.
So Verizon claims that bull**** to push ISIS, of whom they have an alliance with, and so it would be in their best interest to find a reason to block Wallet and force all their customers to use ISIS.
At the same time: http://www.talkandroid.com/169810-the-new-nexus-7-does-not-officially-support-google-wallet/ There are some instances in which a device genuinely lacks the "secure element", ie the new Nexus 7. But then again I said "pretty much any phone can use Google Wallet". From a practical viewpoint, why would you use a tablet with Google Wallet? It's like talking on a phone with a tablet, it looks stupid.
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Verizon never said they lack a SE they said requiring access to it is why g wallet is not allowed. That being said is it still a bull excuse, you betcha. Verizon is stupid thou Being the biggest carrier and not allowing gwalet isn't helping Isis its killing mobile pmts all together now instead of having a minimal ske in NFC payments the entire system will get flushed right down the old crapper.

Somebody with a Verizon dev edition needs to flash the boot and system image from the Sprint build and see if wallet works. I haven't unlocked my dev edition yet bc it's just so nice as is but I'm willing to try it

Google wallet
I have the GSM Dev Edition of the Moto X and even on this unbranded phone the tap to pay element of Google Wallet is not available. I have asked Moto directly why it isn't allowed on a device that has no carrier and as of yet still have not gotten a response. It is the only thing I miss about my Nexus 4 after switching to the Moto X. I hope someone figures out a way for us to all enjoy Google Wallet on our Moto X's.

HID Proximity
I've been looking into using the NFC on my LG V10 to copy my work badge so I can get in the building with my phone. I 100% KNOW it is possible, because a co-worker of mine has the app on his phone, and on his freaking smart watch! He uses it every day, and referred me to this website to get it, and I can't find anything like that anywhere. All the posts regarding RFID and NFC card emulation are from 2011. Does anybody know where I can find the app, so I don't have to bang on the door when I forget my card? It's very annoying...

Bloatware on t-mobile

Sorry if this has been asked before but will buying the nexus 6 through tmobile(to make payments) be the same version as the google play one. I dont want all that tmobile bloatware on it but never bought a nexus via a carrier?

At this point no one has any idea, phones not even out

I got my nexus 5 at T-Mobile.. Its stock no bloatware. Even came in a google branded box. I highly doubt they would add bloatware as it would slow the update process if each carrier had its bloat on their own version.

^ yup. I bought my N4 from tmobile directly. It was stock android goodness, no tmobile my account crap on it at all lol

xxfirerican said:
Sorry if this has been asked before but will buying the nexus 6 through tmobile(to make payments) be the same version as the google play one. I dont want all that tmobile bloatware on it but never bought a nexus via a carrier?
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Nexus never comes with carrier bloat.
shook187 said:
At this point no one has any idea, phones not even out
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At this point everyone noticed you have never owned a nexus.
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Galaxy Nexus for Sprint and Verizon had bloatware iirc

Nexus devices through T-Mobile never go through any sort of carrier tampering. Others I cannot comment on but T-Mobile has a strict and well established relationship with Google with the carrier sale of these devices.
The fact that T-Mobile is working with Google Engineers to make Wi-Fi Calling work with their help is insisting they will not tamper with the OS on their end, that if they want anything done they will do it through the official arm of Google Engineers.
T-Mobile is likely the safest carrier to buy a Nexus device from, count on it.

oneplus said:
Nexus never comes with carrier bloat.
At this point everyone noticed you have never owned a nexus.
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lol this guy
I'm assuming you never bought a Galaxy Nexus on Sprint or Verizon.
At this point nobody has any idea whether carriers will add bloat to the Nexus 6. It's foolish to believe they wouldn't try...and considering the carriers have never really sold Nexus devices without it, the question is whether Google won out and got the carriers to sell the devices without it or the carriers won out.

I had the nexus 5 through sprint and there was not any bloat added. Just pure google greatness

I'm hoping it's a bit of Good/Bad News. Bad news being that YES, the carriers will auto-install crap, but that it is easily removable (hopefully) But knowing AT&T (not the OP's concern) they'll screww their customers.
Ars Technica Article http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...talks-to-android-execs-about-the-upcoming-os/
Setup in Lollipop is also taking on the responsibility of pre-installed carrier apps (aka crapware) with a new feature called "Play Auto Install." Rather than permanently storing carrier apps on the system partition, which currently is the only way to have apps persist across device wipes, Play Auto Install will download carrier apps during the setup process. This will put them in the data partition and allow them to be completely uninstalled by users. The download process then allows carriers to change the apps they would like to preload on a device without having to issue a system update. Pre-installed apps on carrier-controlled devices are never going away, but with Play Auto Install, Google is giving both sides more options. Everyone wins—assuming carriers stop installing things on the system partition.
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osetivo said:
I'm hoping it's a bit of Good/Bad News. Bad news being that YES, the carriers will auto-install crap, but that it is easily removable (hopefully) But knowing AT&T (not the OP's concern) they'll screww their customers.
Ars Technica Article http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...talks-to-android-execs-about-the-upcoming-os/
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That quote doesn't say the nexus 6 will have bloat.

Des on Twitter said it's unlocked and no bloat.
G3

mk92595 said:
That quote doesn't say the nexus 6 will have bloat.
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No it doesn't, but since we were just guessing, the article is showing that Google has developed an additional, albeit easier, built-in means of installing the carrier bloat. As for AT&T, their corporate culture is to lock them down and install crapware, so I'm not too optimistic that I would get a pure Nexus. I'm just hopeful that AT&T would take the easy and faster route by using the built-in Google process and that it would be removable.
pfft, damn AT&T

BigRed sucks.

Anybody come across any info regarding what Verizon can/will do to lock down the Nexus 6? Also, if I purchase an unbranded Nexus directly from Google and take it to Verizon for service, do I have to let them put any bloat or do anything to lock my phone down? I really like the Nexus 6 and since a OPO is out of the question, being on Verizon, the N6 is most appealing to me. I have an S4 and really like it but I'm ready to move on from Sammy.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1

I don't think Verizon can add anything to it. If by some corrupt chance they are, they cannot do anything to you if you bring your own device.
US carriers have asinine power. But, you should be safe either way.

Don_Perrignon said:
I don't think Verizon can add anything to it. If by some corrupt chance they are, they cannot do anything to you if you bring your own device.
US carriers have asinine power. But, you should be safe either way.
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I can't say anything about the nexus 6, but I can say that I bought the Galaxy Nexus on release date for Verizon they had it loaded with ISIS ( locked from using Wallet ) and My Verizon app, both of which without rooting you couldn't remove, just disable. So they WILL probably install their Softcard NFC paying app ( New name for ISIS, for obvious reasons ) and their in house Verizon apps they install on the rest of their phones. I just want the phone to come out through them. I'm locked to them due to employer, but I get discounts on phones through them too, so I'm gonna wait it out just a little bit.

micdawg12 said:
I can't say anything about the nexus 6, but I can say that I bought the Galaxy Nexus on release date for Verizon they had it loaded with ISIS ( locked from using Wallet ) and My Verizon app, both of which without rooting you couldn't remove, just disable. So they WILL probably install their Softcard NFC paying app ( New name for ISIS, for obvious reasons ) and their in house Verizon apps they install on the rest of their phones. I just want the phone to come out through them. I'm locked to them due to employer, but I get discounts on phones through them too, so I'm gonna wait it out just a little bit.
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But the bootloader wasn't locked. And it wasn't a unified phone.
The play store had wallet locked from being installed on it. Not the phone. Part of the deal with Google.
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I'm more worried about when they are going to release it. Artem from android police said he's heard from the beginning that Verizon would lag behind all carriers with their release, and that it may even be in 2015. Along with all the mysterious things like google leaving out verizon on some of the page updates I'm starting to wonder if it is true.

Even if they did modify it in any fashion, I doubt any of the hardware is changed. Download the Nexus Factory Image, unlock the bootloader, and flash it. Instant stock/unmodified Nexus 6.

If purchased from the Play Store, I really don't think there's anything Verizon can do to muck up the phone when you activate it. Can't imagine there's any protocol in place for the phone to become "locked down" or anything when it gets activated on Verizon. At worst, I've heard some rumors that Lollipop has a function that can allow carrier-specific apps to be downloaded right away from the Play Store when it's activated on a particular carrier service, but that said apps could still be removed like any other.
From the looks of things, Play Store Nexus 6 devices should work just fine when you pop in a Verizon SIM card. Now, for those wanting to get a subsidized version of the phone, yeah, you might have to wait a bit longer for Verizon to sell it. It's a little odd to me that Verizon is seemingly opting to wait to sell it, themselves, compared to everyone else, but from what we've seen, the phone does, in fact, work on their network, so if you're willing to spend the extra cash on the Play Store version (or, if you're like me, stuck on a contract for several more months and HAVING to pay full retail price anyway), that might be the way to go.

I was lucky enough to get my pre order through the Play Store yesterday and immediately went and asked in Google's Nexus Q&A if Verizon support was going to work out of box... Ive attached a screenie.

It's a Nexus. It won't be locked down. It may come with some bloat but easily removed. If by some infinitesimal chance they do have it locked down, well I'm on month to month so bye - bye Verizon.
If you aren't going to root & rom, what the hell is the point of buying a Nexus anyway?
liljoe727 said:
Anybody come across any info regarding what Verizon can/will do to lock down the Nexus 6? Also, if I purchase an unbranded Nexus directly from Google and take it to Verizon for service, do I have to let them put any bloat or do anything to lock my phone down? I really like the Nexus 6 and since a OPO is out of the question, being on Verizon, the N6 is most appealing to me. I have an S4 and really like it but I'm ready to move on from Sammy.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1
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liljoe727 said:
Anybody come across any info regarding what Verizon can/will do to lock down the Nexus 6? Also, if I purchase an unbranded Nexus directly from Google and take it to Verizon for service, do I have to let them put any bloat or do anything to lock my phone down? I really like the Nexus 6 and since a OPO is out of the question, being on Verizon, the N6 is most appealing to me. I have an S4 and really like it but I'm ready to move on from Sammy.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1
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BlueHarford said:
But the bootloader wasn't locked. And it wasn't a unified phone.
The play store had wallet locked from being installed on it. Not the phone. Part of the deal with Google.
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Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry if that was confusing, it was very very late.

Last I saw was this
http://www.reddit.com/r/nexus6/comments/2lhrm2/detailed_information_on_status_of_the_nexus_6_and/
doesn't really clear the mud any, but doesn't sound too surprising either if it's true, especially considering verizon

lordgodgeneral said:
Last I saw was this
http://www.reddit.com/r/nexus6/comments/2lhrm2/detailed_information_on_status_of_the_nexus_6_and/
doesn't really clear the mud any, but doesn't sound too surprising either if it's true, especially considering verizon
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I dunno man, reddit is suspect IMO and I was under the impression Verizon had already approved the Nexus 6 for their network. I doubt the reddit post is reliable though I suppose it might be. I think I read on the Nexus 6 was on the approved list on the Verizon website, a customer service rep said it was, though I could have read it somewhere else.
"It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1

People, Don't believe everything you read on reddit. The phone is definitely going to work on Verizon, the only up in the air question is when you can buy a subsidized one.
Also Verizon is not adding bloatware and definitely not locking it down.
BTW I work for Verizon and this is what I do know.

J.Guido85 said:
People, Don't believe everything you read on reddit. The phone is definitely going to work on Verizon, the only up in the air question is when you can buy a subsidized one.
Also Verizon is not adding bloatware and definitely not locking it down.
BTW I work for Verizon and this is what I do know.
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You telling me I can buy one outright from the Play Store or even T-Mobile(and not get service) and walk into a Verizon store and get the N6 added on my account without issue?
"Your words were found and I ate them, And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart; For I have been called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts." - Jeremiah 15:16

i popped a Verizon sim in and it works fine. Well getting LTE anyway.

I don't know about the Verizon store Nexus 6, but Verizon can't really do anything to lock down the phone from play store unless the next android upgrade has to go through Verizon.

http://www.droid-life.com/2014/10/31/nexus-6-working-on-verizon-out-of-the-box/
For those wondering if the Nexus 6 will work on Verizon or not. Here's proof it does work.
Now the state of the carrier subsidized version of the Nexus 6 and if it will be different then the Play edition is still up in the air. Swear to god if the delay is so they can lock it down and throw their logos all over the phone....

liljoe727 said:
You telling me I can buy one outright from the Play Store or even T-Mobile(and not get service) and walk into a Verizon store and get the N6 added on my account without issue?
"Your words were found and I ate them, And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart; For I have been called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts." - Jeremiah 15:16
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Playstore for sure, as for T mobile I don't know.

There is a Verizon store next to my gym so I went in there tonight to ask some questions. While the guy did not know anymore then I did about when the N6 would be available through Verizon, he did confirm that purchasing one through the Play Store and mayyybbbeee even through T Mobile and just bringing it in for service wouldn't be a problem.
"Your words were found and I ate them, And Your words became for me a joy and the delight of my heart; For I have been called by Your name, O LORD God of hosts." - Jeremiah 15:16

I don't think many people question whether the Nexus 6 will work on Verizon's network. I think those with the Verizon questions (such as myself) are looking to get the phone on contract. My Verizon contract is up Nov 21st and I'd love to get a stock Nexus 6 on contract with no bloatware. If I can't do that I'll probably look closer at the Droid Turbo or wait a little while longer on getting a new phone. Hate to wait too long though on the phone subsidy model.

[UPDATED] Verizon Wireless * WILL * be a part of Samsung Pay

[UPDATED] Looks like VZW will be supporting Samsung Pay after all (source).
From sammobile.com:
Verizon confirms Samsung Pay support
Samsung Pay was launched in the United States last month, the payments service requires carrier support to work and naturally it raised a few eyebrows when it was confirmed that Verizon will not be supporting the service at launch. This means that Verizon users are unable to use Samsung Pay on their carrier-branded devices, even though it’s the largest mobile carrier in the country, it was hinted recently that Verizon might confirm supporting the new service soon and now the company has sent out a tweet through its official account confirming just that.
Verizon has confirmed that it’s going to support Samsung Pay on compatible smartphones which include the Galaxy S6, the Galaxy S6 edge, the Galaxy S6 edge+ and the Galaxy Note 5. The carrier says that it’ll flip the switch on the service through a future software update but doesn’t say precisely when the software update will be released. At least Verizon users now know that their carrier will allow them to use Samsung’s new payment service at some point.
Verizon News (@VerizonNews) October 6, 2015: "Samsung Pay will be supported on compatible Verizon smartphones (Galaxy S 6, S 6 edge, Note5, S6 edge +) through a future software update."

Verizon is ruining everything, bootloaders are hard to unlock and they are on top of closing out root for each OTA. I am contemplating on switching to nexus or moto pure phones since they will be unlockable.
ONly reason why I am keeping Verizon is because I have unlimited data and their service is very good where I live. T Mobile is non existent.

I've been worried about this but Droid Life got a statement from Verizon and they're just still evaluating it. They've got a month to sign off on it and they don't have a competing app anymore so they really have no reason not to support is (other than the fact that they're a bunch of a**holes).

brholt6 said:
I've been worried about this but Droid Life got a statement from Verizon and they're just still evaluating it. They've got a month to sign off on it and they don't have a competing app anymore so they really have no reason not to support is (other than the fact that they're a bunch of a**holes).
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I totally agree that that is the only reason.
Verizon gains nothing from removing this feature (or any other feature for that matter).
Completely pointless. It makes no bloody sense!
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lucky_strike33 said:
Verizon is ruining everything, bootloaders are hard to unlock and they are on top of closing out root for each OTA. I am contemplating on switching to nexus or moto pure phones since they will be unlockable.
ONly reason why I am keeping Verizon is because I have unlimited data and their service is very good where I live. T Mobile is non existent.
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You say that Verizon makes unlocking the bootloader hard.
This really does not sound like a big deal.
According to Google, an unlocked bootloader IS a security issue for the device.
Similarly, while root is fun to have, it is obtained by exploiting a security flaw,
and since only ~5% of users care about root, carriers and manufacturers kill root.
That said, MOST of Verizons corporate decisions are NOT consumer friendly.

I just hope that we can get Samsung pay somehow, perhaps with root and a root cloak like thing.
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Verizon better allow it, samsung pay was one of the reasons I shelled out big bucks for the edge xP

zachchen1996 said:
Verizon better allow it, samsung pay was one of the reasons I shelled out big bucks for the edge xP
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Same for me. I would not have bought the edge had I known Verizon would eliminate some of its selling points. Makes me want to switch carriers.

Snowby123 said:
Same for me. I would not have bought the edge had I known Verizon would eliminate some of its selling points. Makes me want to switch carriers.
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Same, the moment T-Mobile has good coverage in my area I'm switching! xD

To make matters worse, it looks like Sprint is releasing Samsung Pay early

i could care less about samsung pay lol. theres many other ways to pay and im mostly good ole fashion cash person lol
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elliwigy said:
i could care less about samsung pay lol. theres many other ways to pay and im mostly good ole fashion cash person lol
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But Samsung Pay was one of the big selling points of the handset.
Even though it is a feature you don't seem to care about,
for many of us, myself included, it is disheartening to hear this.
Verizon really has no reason to remove it. This angers many.

Snowby123 said:
But Samsung Pay was one of the big selling points of the handset.
Even though it is a feature you don't seem to care about,
for many of us, myself included, it is disheartening to hear this.
Verizon really has no reason to remove it. This angers many.
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call big red and tell them to replace your device with a new one lol
but i get what you mean, just gave my opinion.. i kno others want it and bought the phone for it..
i just dont understand how they can even block it.. after all its samsung and id imagine tied to a bank account?
maybe some smart person could port the app to work for us
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elliwigy said:
call big red and tell them to replace your device with a new one lol
but i get what you mean, just gave my opinion.. i kno others want it and bought the phone for it..
i just dont understand how they can even block it.. after all its samsung and id imagine tied to a bank account?
maybe some smart person could port the app to work for us
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You are a smart person. . . .

I think Samsung pay will be another bust. Google already tried google wallet and it didn't go very well. But android pay is something to look forward to.

davidlee101392 said:
I think Samsung pay will be another bust. Google already tried google wallet and it didn't go very well. But android pay is something to look forward to.
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Android Pay is nowhere near as good as Samsung Pay because a place still has to have NFC. Samsung Pay can be used almost anywhere. That's a huge advantage
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I'm frustrated that I could use Google wallet just fine but now my bank has to re sign up with Google. Ugh. That will probably be forever!
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i hope verizon makes a good choice and giving up us samsung pay cause im pretty sure if they don't alot of people are going to be switching carriers

simplyeorange said:
i hope verizon makes a good choice and giving up us samsung pay cause im pretty sure if they don't alot of people are going to be switching carriers
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I certainly will be!

i was able to download the Samsung Pay Apk+Framework But my Card Wont Register =/

simplyeorange said:
i was able to download the Samsung Pay Apk+Framework But my Card Wont Register =/
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Do you have root?
I know that Samsung Pay does not work with rooted devices; same as Android Pay.