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I just took advantage of the cyber monday promo code and ordered a new Verizon Moto X. I still have a grandfathered unlimited data plan and use wireless tether on my rooted (and ancient) HTC Thunderbolt heavily. I'm a bit concerned that this may not be very straightforward on the Moto X. First, I am a bit confused about root.
Is it possible to attain root on my stock phone without unlocking the bootloader?
Is there any advantage to unlocking the bootloader, outside of loading custom roms?
How limited is my ability to accept OTA updates once rooted?
Also, how well does wireless tether for root work with the Moto X once rooted?
What's the point?
I really was about to buy an S4, but this deal was too good to pass up, and I really like what I've read about this phone. I'm hoping it wasn't a mistake, since I know I can definitely accomplish these things fairly easily with the S4. But I'd rather not have that cheap plastic construction. Having come from an HTC, I like the more robustly constructed phones.
Don't bother answering that last question, it's probably beyond the scope of this board.
1. Did you try searching or reading at all?
2. Forget about the bootloader unless you purchased the developer edition.
3. You don't unless you unroot.
4. Just as well as any other Android phone.
5. You tell us. Everyone has different needs and desires.
6. If rooting the Moto X seems difficult, what makes you sure you can easily do it with the S4?
ggtsu said:
I just took advantage of the cyber monday promo code and ordered a new Verizon Moto X. I still have a grandfathered unlimited data plan and use wireless tether on my rooted (and ancient) HTC Thunderbolt heavily. I'm a bit concerned that this may not be very straightforward on the Moto X. First, I am a bit confused about root.
Is it possible to attain root on my stock phone without unlocking the bootloader?
Is there any advantage to unlocking the bootloader, outside of loading custom roms?
How limited is my ability to accept OTA updates once rooted?
Also, how well does wireless tether for root work with the Moto X once rooted?
What's the point?
I really was about to buy an S4, but this deal was too good to pass up, and I really like what I've read about this phone. I'm hoping it wasn't a mistake, since I know I can definitely accomplish these things fairly easily with the S4. But I'd rather not have that cheap plastic construction. Having come from an HTC, I like the more robustly constructed phones.
Don't bother answering that last question, it's probably beyond the scope of this board.
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Get root w/o unlock?
Yeah there are root methods that work, but you have to do it from 4.2.2 which ships with the phone before you take the 4.4 OTA update.
Advantage to unlocking?
Easier to root. Even if you lose root from a potential OTA update later you're OK and can easily redo it.
I'm unable to comment on most the rest since I actually got the T-Mobile variant and use it with AT&T and tether without root. The T-mobile variant only does the T-Mobile entitlement check.
In fact I HAVE been reading about it, but I could not find a non-ambiguious answer to my ?'s hence my post. I happened to find plenty of clear answers to my questions on the S4, and have extensively rooted, rommed, and modified my Tbolt over the last few years. So yes, I did think I would be able to easily root the S4.
But thanks for being a bit of a **** about it. :good:
nhizzat said:
1. Did you try searching or reading at all?
2. Forget about the bootloader unless you purchased the developer edition.
3. You don't.
4. Just as well as any other Android phone.
5. You tell us. Everyone has different needs and desires.
6. If rooting the Moto X seems difficult, what makes you sure you can easily do it with the S4?
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superm1 said:
Get root w/o unlock?
Yeah there are root methods that work, but you have to do it from 4.2.2 which ships with the phone before you take the 4.4 OTA update.
Advantage to unlocking?
Easier to root. Even if you lose root from a potential OTA update later you're OK and can easily redo it.
I'm unable to comment on most the rest since I actually got the T-Mobile variant and use it with AT&T and tether without root. The T-mobile variant only does the T-Mobile entitlement check.
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I saw that there is a way of unlocking the bootloader via motorola's site. Is this something that is limited to the dev editions, or do you know if it works with the non-dev versions as well?
Can only unlock boot loader on Dev editions. And to the original poster it is clearly posted with step by step instructions on how to root in the original android development section
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charlie-n said:
Can only unlock boot loader on Dev editions. And to the original poster it is clearly posted with step by step instructions on how to root in the original android development section
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Thanks, I did not see those. I has assumed that section contained out of date info or something.
ggtsu said:
In fact I HAVE been reading about it, but I could not find a non-ambiguious answer to my ?'s hence my post. I happened to find plenty of clear answers to my questions on the S4, and have extensively rooted, rommed, and modified my Tbolt over the last few years. So yes, I did think I would be able to easily root the S4.
But thanks for being a bit of a **** about it. :good:
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If you have extensively rooted, rommed, and modified your Tbolt, rooting the VZW Moto X shouldn't be the least bit difficult at all. Just use SlapMyMoto because our phones (those purchased with the Cyber Monday deals) shipped with 4.2.2 and the camera update.
Since you feel that I was being a **** for not spoon-feeding you, sorry I'm not sorry. You've been around awhile so I assume you're aware of how Motorola phones on VZW work in terms of their bootloader, especially since you're active in the rooting/romming/modding scene.
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Thanks, I did not see those. I has assumed that section contained out of date info or something.
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well you know what they say about assuming...
ggtsu said:
I saw that there is a way of unlocking the bootloader via motorola's site. Is this something that is limited to the dev editions, or do you know if it works with the non-dev versions as well?
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This only works for specific carriers that Moto chooses to offer the unlock services to... and by doing so, they record your device ID, I believe, so your warranty is 100% voided at their end. Nothing comes for free.
If you want a scot-free unlockable bootloader, you can only get that with a Dev Edition MotoX.
Look up SlapMyMoto (at v0.5c) for the skinny on gaining root access to the locked MotoX and being able to OTA to 4.4 here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=48555826
Regarding Wifi Tether, there are two methods that seem to work. This is what I'm using for now: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48520965&postcount=42
There is also discussion about the Entitlement override .apk here, but I haven't tried this one yet: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2443562
Good luck.
scootle74 said:
This only works for specific carriers that Moto chooses to offer the unlock services to... and by doing so, they record your device ID, I believe, so your warranty is 100% voided at their end. Nothing comes for free.
If you want a scot-free unlockable bootloader, you can only get that with a Dev Edition MotoX.
Look up SlapMyMoto (at v0.5c) for the skinny on gaining root access to the locked MotoX and being able to OTA to 4.4 here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=48555826
Regarding Wifi Tether, there are two methods that seem to work. This is what I'm using for now: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48520965&postcount=42
There is also discussion about the Entitlement override .apk here, but I haven't tried this one yet: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2443562
Good luck.
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Thanks a lot, this is a helpful list. I saw the wifi tether method you posted there before, but I am interested in giving the Entitlement override a try. I just received my phone today and noticed I'm already at 4.4. Will the SlapMyMoto technique work for me, or is that only for people that are starting from 4.2? It's not totally clear in that thread.
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Thanks a lot, this is a helpful list. I saw the wifi tether method you posted there before, but I am interested in giving the Entitlement override a try. I just received my phone today and noticed I'm already at 4.4. Will the SlapMyMoto technique work for me, or is that only for people that are starting from 4.2? It's not totally clear in that thread.
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80 pages makes a thread hard to read, the main post is also somewhat sparse on details.
You should be able to revert back to 4.2.2 using RSD Lite.
This thread points out most of the other useful threads (including one on how to flash back to 4.2.2 using RSD Lite)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2556400
The site linked to get the 4.2.2 rom is down, you can get it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2568334
ggtsu said:
Thanks a lot, this is a helpful list. I saw the wifi tether method you posted there before, but I am interested in giving the Entitlement override a try. I just received my phone today and noticed I'm already at 4.4. Will the SlapMyMoto technique work for me, or is that only for people that are starting from 4.2? It's not totally clear in that thread.
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You will use RSDLite, as mentioned, to revert to OEM 4.2.2 with the camera-patched image that you'd use for SlapMyMoto in the first place. See this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2446515
Roll back your phone (which pretty much wipes it) to 4.2.2 and start the SlapMyMoto process from there. I made the same mistake of accepting the 4.4 OTA before realizing my mistake.
Good luck!
Ran into an issue with connecting to adb, unfortunately pretty early on. Posted it in the appropriate thread, if anyone would like to chime in.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=48614126#post48614126
Thanks!
Hi Guys,
I am pretty blind when it comes to these things so if its been answered, I am sorry - politely direct me to thread of origin.
Anyway, I am wondering with all the News of the Soak Test, generally after the pure edition update comes out, how long does it take for the Verizon update? Is the update regulated for the most part or does it take Verizon considerably more time after release for them to add their bloatware? Should I expect it a few weeks after pure edition OTA (RTM) is released or what?
Thanks - Any feedback is appreciated.
Regards - HMPace
Look at the thread that is about the update http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/help/5-0-update-motorola-t2925432
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Look at the thread that is about the update http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/help/5-0-update-motorola-t2925432
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Yes, but that does not cover the scope of Verizon or Carrier based updates - that only examines when the Pure Version will get the update and this is why this thread was created....
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Yes, but that does not cover the scope of Verizon or Carrier based updates - that only examines when the Pure Version will get the update and this is why this thread was created....
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At the beginning of the thread they discussed when the update could possibly happen. Nobody knows when it will hit, but certainly before the end of November.
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At the beginning of the thread they discussed when the update could possibly happen. Nobody knows when it will hit, but certainly before the end of November.
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Sure, I read through that thread and I understand that General Consumption Update will happen soon (likely before end of November) but does this also apply to the Verizon model as well; Lets say in a month time the update get pushed out to all T-Mobile Pure Edition Moto X's will Verizon users have to wait longer? Do Verizon and AT&T Phones get the update at the same time? (as they are different models)...
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Sure, I read through that thread and I understand that General Consumption Update will happen soon (likely before end of November) but does this also apply to the Verizon model as well; Lets say in a month time the update get pushed out to all T-Mobile Pure Edition Moto X's will Verizon users have to wait longer? Do Verizon and AT&T Phones get the update at the same time? (as they are different models)...
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No, the carriers won't get updates at the same time. But, nobody can really pinpoint anything.
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No, the carriers won't get updates at the same time. But, nobody can really pinpoint anything.
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Fair Enough - thanks for feedback, By chance do you know how long AT&T / Verizon Users had to wait for the update to get pushed to the Moto X 2013? I was looking online and could not find the difference in time as a reference...
hasamoder said:
Fair Enough - thanks for feedback, By chance do you know how long AT&T / Verizon Users had to wait for the update to get pushed to the Moto X 2013? I was looking online and could not find the difference in time as a reference...
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I want to say that's in the other thread. If not I definitely saw it in another thread. I know the 2013 X got it before the Nexus.
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I want to say that's in the other thread. If not I definitely saw it in another thread. I know the 2013 X got it before the Nexus.
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But in any case I shouldn't have to wait to next year say to get update, it will be pushed in somewhat a timely manner? I have seen a lot of threads where Carriers have delayed an update months to add bloatware, but I guess this is different been a close to stock phone. that is tightly linked with google philosophy.
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But in any case I shouldn't have to wait to next year say to get update, it will be pushed in somewhat a timely manner? I have seen a lot of threads where Carriers have delayed an update months to add bloatware, but I guess this is different been a close to stock phone. that is tightly linked with google philosophy.
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I definitely think the update will happen before the end of November. Hopefully shortly after the Nexus 5. I think you're right about the stock software not slowing the update down.
We're in uncharted territory here, there's no historical precedent to refer back to so literally no one knows anything.
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/prod_answer_detail/a_id/97143/
If you want to refer to last year check out above link
Vzw note 3 took forever to update to kk. I'm patiently waiting for lp. I hate vzw
bmwh0r3 said:
Vzw note 3 took forever to update to kk. I'm patiently waiting for lp. I hate vzw
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I despise Verizon for this and other reasons. What's annoying is not even a word. Like, at least just throw out there "Yep, we haven't gotten around to it yet. "
Hi guys
Sorry if this is a dumb question. I have a totally stock 2012 nexus 7 on 4.4.4. It's wireless not 3g and I'm in the UK.
If I check for updates it says I'm up to date. I'm not rooted and running stock android. It had never been tampered with in any way.
Am I missing something?!
Cheers!
Robsa.
Because it has not been pushed yet.
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Because it has not been pushed yet.
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Really surprised it hasn't been pushed yet, even though the factory image and the OTA image are our there already.
An, OK! Many thanks. I take it they pulled the first lollipop release then?
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As far as we can tell, and other complaints in other forums seem to confirm, they stopped pushing the update to Nexus 7. Why? We can only speculate. The ways of the Great Google are Mysterious. We are mere children and should not question the Great Google in His Infinite Wisdom.
If Google pulled off the update to fix performance issues some people have been reporting, I'm completely ok with that.
Know it took my wife's N7 2013 quite awhile to update to lolli. Think it was just a few days ago. Just have to be patient as it will come.
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If Google pulled off the update to fix performance issues some people have been reporting, I'm completely ok with that.
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I totally agree.
Are you really in THAT big of a hurry to turn your Nexus into a useless piece of garbage? Because that's what will happen after you put 5.0 on it. Hopefully the 5.0.2 image they pushed today will resolve the performance issues.
Pushed to who? Nexus 7 2012?
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Pushed to who? Nexus 7 2012?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2978329
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The 5.0.2 update definitely fixes the performance issues from the initial update to 5.0. Happy with the performance I'm getting. Pretty much the same as what I was getting under KK, which wasn't bad at all.
Initial boot into 5.0.2 might seems slow and laggy, but give it a few hours and it definitely clears up. That's with a clean update.
I didn't get the OTA. I just went to the Google images site and downloaded the official Google image and flashed it. I never got the LP OTA pushed to my device for whatever reason.
Agreed, 5.0.2 seems to have fixed the performance issues I was having.
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Wade-0,
Although "push" is a misnomer given how the tech actually works, in common parlance, available for download and manual installation is typically not considered a push. Just sayin.
iolinux333 said:
Wade-0,
Although "push" is a misnomer given how the tech actually works, in common parlance, available for download and manual installation is typically not considered a push. Just sayin.
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Considering I used the same terminology from the XDA homepage posting on the topic, maybe you should lighten up there skippy.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-5-0-2-factory-images-nexus-7-wifi/
"Android 5.0.2 has just been pushed into Google’s AOSP repos."
The 4.4.4>5.0 OTA is probably cancelled due to the known reasons.
The 5.0>5.0.2 OTA for the affected people on 5.0 is rolling out, check the other thread for the link.
They will probly wait to see if 5.0.2 fixes the stuff and add some OTA from 4.4.4 to 5.0.2.
Have a read. Sucks for us.
http://www.latinpost.com/articles/4...tt-delayed-but-that-might-be-for-the-best.htm
Some lying scumbag at AT&T said:
We are rigorously testing this update to avoid any bugs and create a smooth transition for all. Thank you for your patience.
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Oh yeah, like they "rigorously tested" the 4.4.4 update that, despite being months behind the release on other carriers, still managed to reduce my battery life from "this easily lasts well into a second day" to "it's dead by the time I get out of work from just idling," even after multiple factory resets?
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Oh yeah, like they "rigorously tested" the 4.4.4 update that, despite being months behind the release on other carriers, still managed to reduce my battery life from "this easily lasts well into a second day" to "it's dead by the time I get out of work from just idling," even after multiple factory resets?
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lol.
my vzw s5 with my rom i used it most the morning (few hours) then idle and im headin home from work and at 87% still
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OK, so let me get this straight. My phone was happy and pretty solid. Battery life was decent and I rarely had to reboot it. I have gone several weeks without an issue or reloading it.
Now, in preparation for 5.0, they push 4.4.4 on me and the interface now crashes regularly, battery life is less than 10 hours and I have to reboot it about every two days. I have missed several calls trying to swipe and answer only to have it ignore my every attempt. How much worse can 5.0 be than the 4.4.4 I have now. Are they testing 5.0 as rigorously as they did 4.4.4? How about letting us go back a version until they can budget enough people to test 5.0?
Funny thing I've been really happy with 4.4.4 and only a few minor issues. Battery life has been the best so far for me.
I'm sure lollipop with be out by the end of March for AT&T anyways. My son in law has it on Verizon and is not really that impressed with it. I'd rather them get it as right as could be than rush it TBH.
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Have a read. Sucks for us.
http://www.latinpost.com/articles/4...tt-delayed-but-that-might-be-for-the-best.htm
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This is a stupid article written by someone who's extrapolated one sentence into we're never gonna get lolipop... Geez come on!
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im so happy to be on a rooted 4.4.2 NG3 that is blocked from updates. I think I liked ND3 better on battery life.
I can already tell the article is not worth reading from the URL.
AT&T failed on 4.4.4 bugs and bloatware so what do you thinks going to happen with 5.x Lollipop? :silly:
I'm sticking with 4.4.2
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OK, so let me get this straight. My phone was happy and pretty solid. Battery life was decent and I rarely had to reboot it. I have gone several weeks without an issue or reloading it.
Now, in preparation for 5.0, they push 4.4.4 on me and the interface now crashes regularly, battery life is less than 10 hours and I have to reboot it about every two days. I have missed several calls trying to swipe and answer only to have it ignore my every attempt. How much worse can 5.0 be than the 4.4.4 I have now. Are they testing 5.0 as rigorously as they did 4.4.4? How about letting us go back a version until they can budget enough people to test 5.0?
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I completely agree. My phone was pretty solid and my wife's too...now we are both ready to throw them out a window. No battery life, lots of reboots and lost calls. I'd rather have 5.0 sooner than later, but May 22 my Saygus V2 ships. I may be done with Samsung for a while.
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AT&T failed on 4.4.4 bugs and bloatware so what do you thinks going to happen with 5.x Lollipop? :silly:
I'm sticking with 4.4.2
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After I got the OTA update to 4.4.4, my phone ran like crap! I downgraded back to 4.4.2, rooted and disabled all OTA apps. My phone is now running great on 4.4.2/NG3.
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I replaced my phone and upgraded to 4.4.4 from stock NG3. Bluetooth issues that annoyed me such as when playing music from scratch from my radio, it would play some random ringtones. Had to manually select Google music. Downgraded to 4.4.2 and had major wifi issues due to OA1 baseband and older ROM. Realized I left re-activation lock on which wouldn't disable in 4.4.2. Flashed back to stock ND3, wouldn't boot. Did the NG3 to NCE downgrade with the reactivation lock on. Was successful and once I upgraded from NCE to NG3 stock, I was able to disable the lock. Flashed my NuclearFallout ROM back on and ran with it. This will be my last Samsung phone, I'm going Nexus next. Can't stand AT$T adding crap to my device without my permission when I'm running stock.
I can't even read the article on my phone, there's so many pop-ups, side load ads, and auto-start videos.
I will say that the 4.4.4 update pushed out to my S5 Active effectively killed my phone.
Windows ME was more responsive than this.
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Never read or post links to sites that force you to mute your computer due to invasive ads. When you see sites that look like that with "news" stories, ads that adjust size as you're reading, ads that keep playing no matter how many times you pause, just hit that "x" button up there. Chances are wonderful that you didn't miss out on anything.
I just a week and half ago decided it was time to buy a house (living in a double wide for 14 years). Filled out loan preapproval, next day had answer. Met with my new realtor at houses. Saw five homes, 5th one was THE ONE. Put an offer, offer accepted same day. Escrow opened. Sent loan paperwork and down payment today. Escrow is 30-45 days. Moral of the story? I will have decided to buy a house and move in BEFORE AT&T gives lollipop to ANY Samsung device I own. At least I have something to occupy my time.
So much for this being their flagship phone on AT&T...
Note 4 getting it before us: http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-4-att-finally-receiving-its-lollipop-update
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So much for this being their flagship phone on AT&T...
Note 4 getting it before us: http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-4-att-finally-receiving-its-lollipop-update
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This sucks
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This sucks
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don't lament just yet, even tho it is rolling out to the AT&T Note 4 it is still version 5.0.1 and most of the die hard note 4 are sticking with the 4.4.4 at least until we have root or at least until there is a verifiable way to roll back to 4.4.4 if root is achieved. unfortunately for us Note4 owners currently there is no Odin firmware for 4.4.4 and AT&T is releasing 5.0.1 via OTA only.
just hang in the advantage you users have is there are devs with working L roms that you can flash once you get the official release and root is confirmed still working.
https://twitter.com/droid_life/status/580428664946454530
The note 3 is getting 5.0 today too
Dieselrellim said:
https://twitter.com/droid_life/status/580428664946454530
The note 3 is getting 5.0 today too
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Beat me to it
http://www.androidcentral.com/lollipop-update-samsung-galaxy-note-3-att-rolling-out
Apparently lollipop is starting to roll out this week for the first generation Moto X. Has anybody received this update yet?
You might want to try reading the other 3 threads about this instead of creating yet another one.
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You might want to try reading the other 3 threads about this instead of creating yet another one.
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All the other searches that I found about lollipop for the Moto X are roms. I didn't find any about official over the air update. You could have maybe sent me a link at least
In the news, the most recent 5.1 OTA update was for the Moto G Google Play Edition. I also an article that said they were rolling out 5.1 for the moto X, but it was misleading; it came from Realty Today, so I find it understandable if they are not in the forefront of android news.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/official-lollipop-5-1-moto-x-t3070730
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Thank you sir
Stalls and BS like this are pushing back towards iPhone. Lollipop us already played out, and we don't even have it yet.
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Stalls and BS like this are pushing back towards iPhone. Lollipop us already played out, and we don't even have it yet.
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Get a nexus then. I'd much rather Motorola wait until lollipop is stable than have what apple did which was roll out horrible buggy 8.0, 8.1, 8.2 releases.