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[SOLVED] Need help bigtime! accidently upgraded

I've been searching and reading to no avail and have lot's of questions and thoughts needed:
Ok, so I was avoiding updating at all cost.. But as the update notifications became more frequent. I accidentally clicked it and my phone began to reboot and update. now on 4.4.2 and here are the questions...
1. Why can't I downgrade a bootloader? (so I can root and such hackery)
2. If I unlocked my bootloader would I be able to use any of the root methods?
2a. Would I be able to use the recovery mode trick here and get SU, or root or something going?
3. Is there a way to unroll an upgrade? either by recovery or some secret downgrade recovery menu? LOL, yea I'm desperate.
My goals are:
- try and root and get the amr-wb codec for tmobile activated by editing build.prop/system files/modems WHATEVER!, it's not activated.
- I miss viper4android, A LOT!
- Just regain the control of everything
I'm willing to do whatever thru Motorola to get it downgraded, I'm am comfortable with adb, flashing, rooting, editing files, and walking into dark rooms.
So please, fill me in people.
p.s. don't tell me to search.... I'm frustrated and have been researching for days.......

Read the stickies dude. There's a complete guide in there. If you can unlock boot loader...root is easy.
If you can't unlock boot loader, no root for 4.4.2.
And no, you can't downgrade now.
Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
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Tip....the sticky you want is in general.
Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
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Also....researching for days? Come on....you're fibbing. LOL. Google "Moto x root 4.4.2"....boom.....answers.
Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...

I'll make easy read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2635366
Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X

drago10029 said:
1. Why can't I downgrade a bootloader? (so I can root and such hackery)
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Because no one has found a way to do it so far. The partition where the bootloader is is not visible to you even if you are rooted.
drago10029 said:
2. If I unlocked my bootloader would I be able to use any of the root methods?
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No not any. You don't want to use the locked bootloader root methods if your bootloader is unlocked. If you have an unlocked bootloader, you do this to root:
Rooting a Moto X With an Unlocked Bootloader
This works to root a Moto X on 4.4.2 as well as 4.4. You will be fine if you just stick to the instructions I posted.

Cozume said:
Because no one has found a way to do it so far. The partition where the bootloader is is not visible to you even if you are rooted.
No not any. You don't want to use the locked bootloader root methods if your bootloader is unlocked. If you have an unlocked bootloader, you do this to root:
Rooting a Moto X With an Unlocked Bootloader
This works to root a Moto X on 4.4.2 as well as 4.4. You will be fine if you just stick to the instructions I posted.
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Well thanks for the response! I actually found my answer already reading through the custom recovery thread and asking there. You get a thanks anyway for your help and your post. Fyi, that post should probably be in the general section.

Cozume said:
Because no one has found a way to do it so far. The partition where the bootloader is is not visible to you even if you are rooted.
No not any. You don't want to use the locked bootloader root methods if your bootloader is unlocked. If you have an unlocked bootloader, you do this to root:
Rooting a Moto X With an Unlocked Bootloader
This works to root a Moto X on 4.4.2 as well as 4.4. You will be fine if you just stick to the instructions I posted.
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Actually, I realized that info is inside of the general so I guess we both missed it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2603358

drago10029 said:
Actually, I realized that info is inside of the general so I guess we both missed it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2603358
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My step-by-step was quoted in that post. Just follow the steps and you will be rooted. It is really easy to root your phone if you have an unlocked bootloader.

kj2112 said:
Read the stickies dude. There's a complete guide in there. If you can unlock boot loader...root is easy.
If you can't unlock boot loader, no root for 4.4.2.
And no, you can't downgrade now.
Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
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Tip....the sticky you want is in general.
Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
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Also....researching for days? Come on....you're fibbing. LOL. Google "Moto x root 4.4.2"....boom.....answers.
Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
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I will admit I hadn't read the stickies thoroughly enough and when I finally did you it didn't make too much sense to me :/ ... I found my answer last night in the general thread lol. and I wouldn't lie about something like that. I have searched for days for a root method. I didn't think/know bootloader unlocking could let you root so easy.
I came from 2 samsung phones, vibrant or skyrocket if that means anything. Thanks for responding anyway!!

Cozume said:
My step-by-step was quoted in that post. Just follow the steps and you will be rooted. It is really easy to root your phone if you have an unlocked bootloader.
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Thanks again man, I may be rooting soon. honestly, I just want try & get tmobile HD voice working and viper4android. wish their was another way b/c that's the only reason I want root.

[Q] 4.4.2 root

Please excuse my ignorance on this topic. My rooted moto x broke and I just bought a used one. The new phone is running 4.4.2 baseband MSM8960PRO_BP_2323.031.111.OOR KERNAL 3.4.43-G27DE6975.
The last time I rooted my moto withe the cracked screened I restored back to the pre camera updata and then eventually proceeded with the slapmymoto.
Can this still be done on my current phone. I have read some conflicting threads on this
Thanks!!!

4.4.2 cannot downgrade please don't try or you will 100% brick your X. What carrier are you on?

A2Trip said:
4.4.2 cannot downgrade please don't try or you will 100% brick your X. What carrier are you on?
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AT&T

Dont think AT&T can have unlocked bootloaders but that's easiest way to gain root access. But in development should be an exploit for 4.4.X I'll post a link. : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2771623

A2Trip said:
Dont think AT&T can have unlocked bootloaders but that's easiest way to gain root access. But in development should be an exploit for 4.4.X I'll post a link. : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2771623
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Thanks!! before I cracked the screen on my old one I had the boot loader unlocked and root access......this sucks.

Okay so UL BL is available for AT&T? Unlock on motos site first and get code. Once unlocked you can flash TWRP or CWM through fastboot reboot to recovery and when you reboot system it will root for you. Boom! lol

pooler00 said:
Thanks!! before I cracked the screen on my old one I had the boot loader unlocked and root access......this sucks.
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If you haven't already, check on the thread titled "China Middleman Back??" in the general sub-forum. He is selling bootloader-unlock codes for AT&T and Verizon devices. He may or may not have your code, but if not you get refunded...so no risk.
If he does, it will be absolutely fantastic for you because you won't have to rely on these exploits, and will gain permanent root-ability.
@A2Trip is completely correct in that you WILL brick your phone if you attempt to downgrade.
The middleman is your only hope.
Good Luck :good:
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A2Trip said:
Okay so UL BL is available for AT&T? Unlock on motos site first and get code. Once unlocked you can flash TWRP or CWM through fastboot reboot to recovery and when you reboot system it will root for you. Boom! lol
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No. At least not from the official Moto site. Both AT&T and Verizon FORBID Moto from giving out unlock codes for their branded phones.

Got it. USC got love...that sucks.

A2Trip said:
Got it. USC got love...that sucks.
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Agreed.
There IS a "temp-root" method already available for 4.4.2 (4.4.3+ patches it). It's the PIE exploit.
BUT!!! It is temp-only, does not allow write access to /system, does not disable write-protect, and the exploit must be run again (from ADB, so you must attach to a PC) each time you reboot...
So not very useful at all :/
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pooler00 said:
Thanks!! before I cracked the screen on my old one I had the boot loader unlocked and root access......this sucks.
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You didn't have the BL unlocked if you were using SlapMyMoto - you were using a write-protect-disable exploit. BIG difference. If at any point you would have updated to 4.4.2+, you would have permanently lost root and write-protect-disable. Bootloader unlock is permanent. None of the exploits are.
Also, I KNOW someone is going to say it: Questions belong in the Q&A forum, not General. Your thread will probably be moved by a moderator..... In the future, be sure to post in the correct forums.

You're only option that I'm aware of would be pie root ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/orig-development/root-4-4-x-pie-motorola-devices-t2771623 ). It's a tethered root though so rebooting your phone will lose root access. Also no system write.

gunvalk said:
You're only option that I'm aware of would be pie root ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/orig-development/root-4-4-x-pie-motorola-devices-t2771623 ). It's a tethered root though so rebooting your phone will lose root access. Also no system write.
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??? Already stated in post #4 AND post #9

Root on 4.2.2 AFTER Write Protection disabled?

I've already disabled Write Protection using MotoWpNoMo. I'm on 4.2.2 currently. The issue is that I can't run RockMyMoto because it says my system isn't write protected--which is correct; however, I need RockMyMoto to install the su binaries. It's a catch-22 if I've ever seen it.
What can/should I do? I can't find anything on this.

What you should do is buy Sunshine to unlock your bootloader

I'm selling the phone and the buyer just wants it rooted, but wants to have the option of using Sunshine.
Currently, I'm on 4.2.2 with Write Protection disabled; can't I just use TowelRoot? (Not TowelPieRoot). TowelRoot is said to not work if the system is write protected--which mine isn't.

You can unlock with Sunshine, root, and relock?
Not sure why the buyer would want root but not an unlocked BL..
If you have an unlockable variant (like not Verizon or AT&T), unlock it through Motorola for free. Then you can give the buyer the code should they ever want to unlock it later. Plus with the BL unlocked, you'll have root on all future versions, and won't be stuck on 4.2.2.

fury683 said:
You can unlock with Sunshine, root, and relock?
Not sure why the buyer would want root but not an unlocked BL..
If you have an unlockable variant (like not Verizon or AT&T), unlock it through Motorola for free. Then you can give the buyer the code should they ever want to unlock it later. Plus with the BL unlocked, you'll have root on all future versions, and won't be stuck on 4.2.2.
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I know that, and you know that. I'm just doing what the buyer wanted. I think I convinced him to use Sunshine though, so nevermind.

fury683 said:
You can unlock with Sunshine, root, and relock?
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There is a post in JCASE's sunshine thread saying to NOT re-lock the bootloader after unlocking with Sunshine. Apparently it will become permanently locked.
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natezire71 said:
I'm selling the phone and the buyer just wants it rooted, but wants to have the option of using Sunshine.
Currently, I'm on 4.2.2 with Write Protection disabled; can't I just use TowelRoot? (Not TowelPieRoot). TowelRoot is said to not work if the system is write protected--which mine isn't.
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4.2.2. is so old. I don't remember. But I don't recall if the vulnerability used by TowelRoot could be exploited on older code.
If the bootloader isn't unlocked, I wouldn't bother selling it as "rooted" but would rather sells as "rootable" since its still on the older code. Let the buyer investigate the options for rooting and decide.
natezire71 said:
I know that, and you know that. I'm just doing what the buyer wanted. I think I convinced him to use Sunshine though, so nevermind.
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Unlocking the bootloader is definitely the way to go. Glad the buyer is coming to his senses.

KidJoe said:
There is a post in JCASE's sunshine thread saying to NOT re-lock the bootloader after unlocking with Sunshine. Apparently it will become permanently locked.
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Wasn't aware of this, I never used Sunshine as I unlocked from the middleman.
If the device is officially unlockable (not VZW or ATT), I would go that route because it's free, you have the code to use forever, and can unlock/relock at will.

Why would you relock the bootloader?

[Q] 5.0 and rooting on locked device

Hey,
So as mentioned in the large "How to root" thread, any update after 4.4.3 will essentially make your device unrootable (or unwritable).
I have the xt1058, which is one of the devices with a locked bootloader. This device is also compatible with Android 5.0, so I was wondering if I flash a captured OTA of 5.0 for the xt1058, will that lock out my bootloader and ensure that I can never root again?
Thanks!

5.0 > 4.4.3 so logic would lead me to say yes, you're stuck running stock.

If you are locked, you will not be able to Root on 5.0 for now, or for awhile.... If ever.
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Once it comes out of course.
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if you really want to Root.... Best to not update, as they may figure out how to Root kit Kat and not Lollipop. Usually how it goes.

themsftcpu said:
Hey,
So as mentioned in the large "How to root" thread, any update after 4.4.3 will essentially make your device unrootable (or unwritable).
I have the xt1058, which is one of the devices with a locked bootloader. This device is also compatible with Android 5.0, so I was wondering if I flash a captured OTA of 5.0 for the xt1058, will that lock out my bootloader and ensure that I can never root again?
Thanks!
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Not sure what you mean by "flash a captured OTA" but with a locked bootloader all you can flash is a ROM or OTA which is digitally signed by Moto and meant for your phone and its CID value. In other words, you can't capture an OTA zip file, modify, repack it and flash it to include Root, if you have a locked bootloader.
If you want usable root on the X you need two parts 1. Root Exploit, and 2. An Exploit that allows for disabling Write Protection.
If you have a locked bootloader you need someone to find these exploits and create a repeatable process to use them to gain root and disabling write protection. You basically need to find and exploit a flaw or vulnerability in the phone, or its software. i.e. Hack It.
When Write Protection is enabled (the phone's default state with locked bootloader, or the state you are in after you install 4.4.2), any changes made to /system, or the like, (including, but not limited to, App installs, file modifications, deletions, renames, etc) are not permanent and are lost at power off/on.
On a locked bootloader you are relying on someone finding vulnerabilities in the phone or its software to both root and disable write protection. Period. No way around that.
As it stands right now, no one has released info on any vulnerabilities which could gain root on a locked bootloader 2013 X which have been upgraded to 4.4.4. So there is no process for rooting those locked bootloader phones.
While JCASE's Sunshine tool can exploit a vulnerability to unlock the bootloader (disabling write protection), it needs to be able to ROOT, or Temp Root, the phone first, which leaves out phones on 4.4.4 (unless I've missed a change recently). (and before you ask, no, you can NOT safely downgrade from 4.4.4 to 4.4.2 or lower, nor can you get to a state where Sunshine will work once you have 4.4.4 on your phone.)
With further security enhancements as android evolves, its only going to get more difficult finding vulnerabilities to exploit and creating repeatable processes for those with locked bootloaders. In other words while there might be a chance someone comes up with something for locked bootloader 2013 X's on Lollipop, I wouldn't count on it happening, nor would I "bet the farm" that it will ever happen.

KidJoe said:
Not sure what you mean by "flash a captured OTA" but with a locked bootloader all you can flash is a ROM or OTA which is digitally signed by Moto and meant for your phone and its CID value. In other words, you can't capture an OTA zip file, modify, repack it and flash it to include Root, if you have a locked bootloader.
If you want usable root on the X you need two parts 1. Root Exploit, and 2. An Exploit that allows for disabling Write Protection.
If you have a locked bootloader you need someone to find these exploits and create a repeatable process to use them to gain root and disabling write protection. You basically need to find and exploit a flaw or vulnerability in the phone, or its software. i.e. Hack It.
When Write Protection is enabled (the phone's default state with locked bootloader, or the state you are in after you install 4.4.2), any changes made to /system, or the like, (including, but not limited to, App installs, file modifications, deletions, renames, etc) are not permanent and are lost at power off/on.
On a locked bootloader you are relying on someone finding vulnerabilities in the phone or its software to both root and disable write protection. Period. No way around that.
As it stands right now, no one has released info on any vulnerabilities which could gain root on a locked bootloader 2013 X which have been upgraded to 4.4.4. So there is no process for rooting those locked bootloader phones.
While JCASE's Sunshine tool can exploit a vulnerability to unlock the bootloader (disabling write protection), it needs to be able to ROOT, or Temp Root, the phone first, which leaves out phones on 4.4.4 (unless I've missed a change recently). (and before you ask, no, you can NOT safely downgrade from 4.4.4 to 4.4.2 or lower, nor can you get to a state where Sunshine will work once you have 4.4.4 on your phone.)
With further security enhancements as android evolves, its only going to get more difficult finding vulnerabilities to exploit and creating repeatable processes for those with locked bootloaders. In other words while there might be a chance someone comes up with something for locked bootloader 2013 X's on Lollipop, I wouldn't count on it happening, nor would I "bet the farm" that it will ever happen.
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What about using safestrap? I also own a locked moto x and am currently running a rooted 4.4.4 ROM via safestrap.
Would this be possible to do with lollipop while retaining root?

frenchie007 said:
What about using safestrap? I also own a locked moto x and am currently running a rooted 4.4.4 ROM via safestrap.
Would this be possible to do with lollipop while retaining root?
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You'll likely still need to find a software vulnerability to exploit to gain root. And if Lillipop uses a new Kernel (which is does) it may not be compatible with the current Safestrap. And Hash stopped developing Safestrap.
That being said.. Safe strap requires the host phone/os be rooted with write protection disabled. So if you are running Safestrap on a 2013 X, you likely have Android 4.4 or lower as your host OS and have used something like SlapMyMoto/RockMyMoto along with MotoWpNoMo to root and disable write protection on your host OS. If this is the case, use Sunshine to unlock your bootloader. It will be much easier.

KidJoe said:
You'll likely still need to find a software vulnerability to exploit to gain root. And if Lillipop uses a new Kernel (which is does) it may not be compatible with the current Safestrap. And Hash stopped developing Safestrap.
That being said.. Safe strap requires the host phone/os be rooted with write protection disabled. So if you are running Safestrap on a 2013 X, you likely have Android 4.4 or lower as your host OS and have used something like SlapMyMoto/RockMyMoto along with MotoWpNoMo to root and disable write protection on your host OS. If this is the case, use Sunshine to unlock your bootloader. It will be much easier.
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Yep, I was holding out on unlocking with sunshine but seems like its necessary to keep root for lollipop. Thanks!

frenchie007 said:
Yep, I was holding out on unlocking with sunshine but seems like its necessary to keep root for lollipop. Thanks!
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Why would you ever wait to unlock your bootloader if you're able to? You wouldn't have to worry about any of this with an unlocked bootloader.

nhizzat said:
Why would you ever wait to unlock your bootloader if you're able to? You wouldn't have to worry about any of this with an unlocked bootloader.
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My only guess would be.... he is still under warranty and isn't in a hurry to void it?

nhizzat said:
Why would you ever wait to unlock your bootloader if you're able to? You wouldn't have to worry about any of this with an unlocked bootloader.
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KidJoe said:
My only guess would be.... he is still under warranty and isn't in a hurry to void it?
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Because sunshine costs money and yes, I'm in no hurry to unlock it (until lollipop comes along that is)

frenchie007 said:
Because sunshine costs money and yes, I'm in no hurry to unlock it (until lollipop comes along that is)
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Just keep in mind.... As soon as you update to 4.4.4 or Lollipop, There's no guarantee you'll ever be able to unlock with Sunshine.
You likely know this... But just checking. ?

Darth said:
Just keep in mind.... As soon as you update to 4.4.4 or Lollipop, There's no guarantee you'll ever be able to unlock with Sunshine.
You likely know this... But just checking. ��
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using safestrap to flash only parts of 4.4.4 (excluding bootloader if I'm not mistaken) allows me to retain full root even on 4.4.4 even with a locked bootloader. however from what I understand you're right this won't be possible for lollipop :/

frenchie007 said:
using safestrap to flash only parts of 4.4.4 (excluding bootloader if I'm not mistaken) allows me to retain full root even on 4.4.4. however from what I understand you're right this won't be possible for lollipop
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Maybe it could..... But based on the issues I've seen in the N5 section, likely not. Lollipop probably won't play well with anything kit Kat or earlier.
Pretty hard to test too... Who knows what would happen if you tried. Also, who knows when or if SBF files will turn up.
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Off topic.... But I will feel bad for anyone who has Lollipop complaints and tries downgrading. Could be the end of their device.
Unless moto changes that quirk with their bootloader.

[Q] What is the best way to root xt1060 v4.4.2?

Hello everyone!
I have verizon moto x device (xt1060), with 4.4.2 android firmware.
What is the best way to root it?
Thanks!

lioneye said:
Hello everyone!
I have verizon moto x device (xt1060), with 4.4.2 android firmware.
What is the best way to root it?
Thanks!
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You can't get the bootloader unlock code from Motorola because it's a Verizon device. Sunshine will unlock the bootloader and allow you to install a custom recovery to then root the device.
You can use the temp root (I'm blanking on the name) but, while elegant in and of itself, it has it's drawbacks. Pay the $25 for sunshine, root it for real, and marvel at the ability to do *almost* whatever you want with your phone..
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You can't get the bootloader unlock code from Motorola because it's a Verizon device. Sunshine will unlock the bootloader and allow you to install a custom recovery to then root the device.
You can use the temp root (I'm blanking on the name) but, while elegant in and of itself, it has it's drawbacks. Pay the $25 for sunshine, root it for real, and marvel at the ability to do *almost* whatever you want with your phone..
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Edit: I got this mixed up with my other device's forum. Weaksauce is what I was thinking of but it's not for this device. You want sunshine.