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Reason For this thread:
New easy to find Quick alternative for NEWBIES wanting to know ho to obtain a safe fast responding Tilt without messing the Device.
I THINK AT&T SCREWEDUP this beautifull piece of TECH with the Bloatware and not including HTC custom add on.
Have to say my Tilt was ok out of the box BUT NOW IS WAY BETTER.
Now I'm not expert (I'm more of a newbie) but theese is something I did and is really True and it WORKED.
I kindly ASK
***** Only people with FACTS/EXPERIENCE will POST HERE what they think is not HERE***********
****** NEWBIES with NO EXPERIENCE or with NO FACTS DO NOT POST HERE just READ, so we can keep it clean for all people without knowledge and no time to read QUESTIONS******
What to do:
Just:
1. Hard Reset
2. Soft Reset before the count down of 3 secs end.
So the AT&T SLOWING BLOATWARE (Crap Software from AT&T like Stupid DEMOS and Tricky Charging services, etc.) are not installed.
All this BLOATWARE make your Tilt SLOW.
Bennefits:
1. Faster Respponse "Overall" and I mean "Overall"
2. The so mentioned Slow DIALER, is no more SLOW, now it respond FASTER.
And let me tell you that I have over 300 contacts in my Tilt.
3. Way more free space for you to install direct to the device all Plugins and tools You Want.
4. When accessing WINDOWS folder, is FASTER.
5. Notice Faster Camera auto focus Shoot.
ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC.................................
Now I know there are some people who post already discussed topics.
How do I know this? BECAUSE I READ ABOUT IT ABOUT 100's of time about it.
And Because I read and someone should put toguether some specific threads (already saw some of them). And is very hard for me to read a thread that is maybe 80% guessing, I don't know, maybe, I heard of, etc, etc, etc.
I did this for all those people that DON't have time to go thru a Thread with over 50 posts mostly of craps and finding the answer somere in the post # 41.
NOW FOR YOU THAT HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE and PLEASE!!!! no "GUESSING" Tell us about additional beneffits, or what important APPS are missing once You REJECT the BLOATWARE if any by replying to this POST and using the Title:
Title: Beneffits
or
Title: Missing
Thanks!!! to all of you.
Thank you for your effort. I didn't know fo all the benefits from rebooting at the 3-second count, I am to used to the custom ROM's, but this is great guide for those who want to stick with the AT&T ROM.
Its already been talked out many times here and on the ATT forums. Its even been added in the Tilt Specific WiKi already at the bottom and shows the difference an whats installed before and after the bloatware removal:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TiltSpecificWikiPage
But basically the
Benefit: It removes all the trial ware that you'd probably never buy and frees up space.
Missing: Still not as good as a custom rom that has all the performance tweaks to speed up the device (although the newest official ROM is close). If you know what your doing most of these can be fixed afterwards like the registry tweaks. But if your going to go through all that trouble you might as well just cook your own ROM or find one thats set up to your liking.
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PsyOpWarlord said:
Its already been talked out many times here and on the ATT forums. Its even been added in the Tilt Specific WiKi already at the bottom and shows the difference an whats installed before and after the bloatware removal:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TiltSpecificWikiPage
But basically the
Benefit: It removes all the trial ware that you'd probably never buy and frees up space.
Missing: Still not as good as a custom rom that has all the performance tweaks to speed up the device (although the newest official ROM is close). If you know what your doing most of these can be fixed afterwards like the registry tweaks. But if your going to go through all that trouble you might as well just cook your own ROM or find one thats set up to your liking.
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But the Problem is that some like to play safe, and I think those are the people without time to read long threads because all the questions.
Then after alot of time reading (again long confusing threads) when you think you found what you where looking for, somewhere appears a known problem you don't want to have.
In my case for example wouldn't like to lose Basic Dialer Alternatives and still confused if it will aslo remove those options if I install any of the dialers or if it will create conflicts and so on, like ohhh!!!!! I install some app and now I'm having problems with something, and then GUESS WHAT, somtimes people end up HARD RESETTING.
Another thing is for example pop up messages that are shown in a specific color that match your theme, then you install something, and BAM POP UP MESSAGES WITH PINK COLORS and so on.
My intention was to make an easy to find info for newbies. Believe me I have read but not alot of time to play, and try to go thru previous POSTS but no response.
Now I put this new threads and for the replies I recived I think I had better results than by going thru old post and actualy thanks for the replies I know that probably people will read this and now will be directed to the wikki.
Like I will do, just Hopping it is complete and accurate info.
Thanks for replies.
I just updated my rom to
RUU_Kaiser_CINGULAR_WWE_3.57.502.2_radio_sign_25.88.40.05_1.65.21.18_Ship.exe
I'm trying to remove the bloatware BUT it reinstalls it everytime. Is there something in the new ROM that prevents me from removing it or is there something new I need to do.
I had no problems removing it from the previous ROM. Thanks
JerryG said:
I just updated my rom to
RUU_Kaiser_CINGULAR_WWE_3.57.502.2_radio_sign_25.88.40.05_1.65.21.18_Ship.exe
I'm trying to remove the bloatware BUT it reinstalls it everytime. Is there something in the new ROM that prevents me from removing it or is there something new I need to do.
I had no problems removing it from the previous ROM. Thanks
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You must do the soft reset before the 3 second countdown.
From what I know of the trick to soft reset worked only with WM6 ROMS, not with the newer WM6.1 ones.
soft reset works with WM6.1
I am one of the "play it safe" guys and the soft reset does work with WM6.1, you just have to catch it BEFORE the customize 3 second countdown even appears. I have used registry tweaks and jacked up my phone plenty, resulting in hard resets and each time i catch it before the countdown. if you miss it, just soft reset and start over again.
Newbs Unite!
Its really not that hard to flash a custom rom, besides you think your device is fast now? Well flash a rom.
kilrah said:
From what I know of the trick to soft reset worked only with WM6 ROMS, not with the newer WM6.1 ones.
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I'll second that. I've tried soft resetting at every imaginable point after the restore and every time it just resets and goes right back into the customization garbage.
**After reading Stu's post I'm going to try it one more time. I'll post my results.**
Yessir..it does work. Thanks Stu!
this works on dutty's rom even while it shows the countdown...
I have been a Windows Mobile user for quite some time. I was a lurker in these thread begining in the 2002 & then Blue Angel days. I didn't really start try to contribute until the Kaiser came around. By this time I had spent 2 years watching, learning & reading. I also still consider myself very much new to CE & embeded devices.
One of the biggest complaints, the highest number of posts revolve around program compatibility issues with roms, both OEM & chef prepared.
One of the things most overlooked is the effect that installed programs can have upon each other. But it's not just the apps themselves that can cause issues.
Did you know that apps can both work or not work depending on the order they were installed? Have you ever wondered why a certain program just works for most, but not for you?
Before jumping to conclusions & thinking it must be something that the chef did that prevents you from using that favorite application, think about all of the programs you install & realize that many of them have to interact with parts of the OS at the same time & each program affects both the system & registry & hence can also affect each other in turn.
I have seen suggestions from others, particularly Kyphur, suggesting you to start over with installs. This is good solid advice. Install a few, see that they work & keep a few notes on the order of installation & what has issues when.
One point often overlooked, is that the order in which you install programs can have a great & varied effect on what works & what doesn't.
For instance, I know that with some Dutty roms that my favorite SIP, Teksoft FingerTouch, will not work if I install it before SPB Pocket Plus. I haev issues with BlackBerry Connect many times if I don't install it as one of my first applications.
You need to remember, that these roms are written by many different people. The are partly written by the Manufacturer, partly by Microsoft, influenced by OEM's & carriers, altered by chefs & then you are installing a dozen programs written by at least that number of developers. That leaves a lot of variables in which something can very easily go wrong.
Know your applications, always install your priority apps first, & don't install a high number of apps manually without a reset. You are much more likely to have issues mass installing apps than you are when you install a few, soft-reset, test them out & then continue your installation process.
Today alone, I had 6 messages about programs not working. For a few of these I installed the same rom, & after changing the installation order, I had no issues.
There are too many variables in these systems & their programs to think you can just install everything the same & always have it all work. Sometimes you need to take a little initiative & try something new, a different way.
The same can be said for Auto installers, UC & Shashimi. Installation order can make a difference. Now hopefully I get a few less messages about this, LOL, yeah right.
Great post and contribution as always. I just wonder how many people will actually read this.
My thoughts exactly as I happened to be online during Leo's Diamond v.1 feeding frenzy and the day the TyTn II update came out. Then reading the follow up soon later. Such as wait a minute, this is crap. It doesn't work with Igo , It doesn't work with HHC and on and on. Like Leo or HTC was supposed to load every obscure piece of kit ,to make sure that all of you could load your phones with garbage and they will still work as smooth as day one.
A little prethought and common sense go a long way. Well said GSLEON.
Edit: And congrats AllTheWay on the promo.Well deserved
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AllTheWay said:
Great post and contribution as always. I just wonder how many people will actually read this.
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I read it makes sense too
-McMex
Great post! Now to get the noobs to read...
GSLEON3 said:
This is good solid advice.
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It most certainly is. I didn't know this info before. Thanks GS.
i've read it
footnotes please? lol j/k
Seriously great post how many will read. Make sticky!!!
thanks for the post
Great information GSLeon (as usual). That's why I prefer clean/lite ROMs, and installing the apps myself. I didn't know the reason - just noticed I had less (ie no) problems doing it my way. Now I know why!
This is also basic troubleshooting... This is exactly why when you come to a thread asking for help (particularly cooked roms) the first question the chef will usually ask is:
What all have you, or what do you have installed...
Most chefs wont even begin to consider YOUR issue a problem until this base has been covered. Installation of programs is the #1 cause of issues when dealing with the billion variable cooked roms.
My best advice is to actually spend the time knowing your programs, know what they depend on, know what goes where (kinda like sex ed). If you want everything to work straight out of the box without any fine tuning then your probably in the wrong place!
Excellent Post!!!
Thanks for the info GSLEON!!!!
I have had my Tilt since Oct 07......having never owned a Windows based product ever before I read this forum like is was war and peace.....also never creating a thread just searching, searching, searching!
I have ran into this before and have a word doc with the order to install when flashing anew
Thanks for the great post and all of your help in the past.
I agree with most of what you're saying GS except for one instance that is messing with me. I jus bought a TyTn II to replace my water damaged Tilt. I bought it here from the U.S. but the box says Singapore. I flashed the WM6.1 update and everything is cool except for the HTC weather. This is a HTC application and they should have gotten it right b4 releasing the Rom. Things that come STANDARD with an OEM ROM should automatically work. All the 3rd party stuff that you said I do agree with. Now, anybody know how to fix this little issue?
Well said! Consider myself as wery fresh on CE, this can probobly be repeated to the even more advance user as it is easy to forget that every brick plays a part on how the device acts. When I am starting on a new rom the first 2-3 days goes to the setup, alot of testing and hard resets. Its easy to forgett the fact: what worked yestoday on duttys rom does not automaticly work today on Laurentius26 (or any other chefs) rom.
Hi all brand new to the site. It has been very helpful so far. I just have one question, I am getting a HTC TyTN II and I was just wondering do I need to use a custom ROM in order to install some of the cool apps I have seen around here like Manila 2D or GRemote? Or can I just use the ROM that comes stock on the phone? What is your advice and what would you recommend? Thanks in advance.
P.S. Can't wait to start playing on my new phone!
I haven't used manila but I'm sure it can be installed, just like htc home was installable.
No you don't.Most everything can be installed on a stock rom, including Manila. Some things however, like manila, seem to run smoother when " cooked ". I ran a stock rom for a year after getting my phone,and manila still rran great.
Thanks allot guys this helped. One other thing. I read on this forum that you can get rid of "bloatware" on a stock phone to make it run faster. What is this bloatware? I mean are you actually getting rid of applications or is it just nothing useful?
The bloatware is basically any software that comes pre-installed on your phone that you don't need. Some of it will have bits that auto-run and slow down your phone. All of it will take up memory on your device that could be used for things that you do actually want.
You can't uninstall it as such, but you can re-flash your rom with one that doesn't include the bloatware. The speed increase with these custom roms can be quite dramatic.
IllusiaX said:
Thanks allot guys this helped. One other thing. I read on this forum that you can get rid of "bloatware" on a stock phone to make it run faster. What is this bloatware? I mean are you actually getting rid of applications or is it just nothing useful?
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http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TiltSpecificWikiPage
Scroll down to where it says "AT&T ROM Standard Programs", and start reading.
Thanks again guys Can't wait till I get my phone!!
dancj said:
The bloatware is basically any software that comes pre-installed on your phone that you don't need. Some of it will have bits that auto-run and slow down your phone. All of it will take up memory on your device that could be used for things that you do actually want.
You can't uninstall it as such, but you can re-flash your rom with one that doesn't include the bloatware. The speed increase with these custom roms can be quite dramatic.
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He is right, your phone will be a lot faster without the bloatware. But I am not a big advocate of tearing into your phone right out of the box.
Boot up your phone, let everything load and use it for a while.Explore what you like and don't like about the phone. Eliminating the bloatware takes off a lot of your carrier installed apps.Some of them you might like and want to use.
This is a great site with great resources and helpful knowledgeable members like dancj, but too many newbies come on the site and ask " what should I do with my phone " and start taking advise to get rid of this, first flash a new rom, load this .
I had my phone for several months before I eliminated the bloatware ( and you don't need a new rom to do that )and several more months before I flashed a custom rom, I explored and used and understood what I wanted my phone to do for me, then decided "for my self " that I didn't want or need the bloatware.
Don't be in such a hurry to " customize " your phone , it is a great tool/toy make it how " you " want it.
This is a great read: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
Is it a very good read I don't want to be the noob that doesn't care coz I do. I don't even have the phone in my hands yet and already I am doing lots of research. This is why I am asking questions I want to know everything I can about this phone and all the do's and don'ts also the tech language. When it comes to PCs I can hold my own however this is my first PDA and I'm just trying to get to grips with its world.
This is a great site!
Please can one of you clever people help me. I have read loads of posts and sticky's but remain totally confused. Let me lay it out:
The first smart phone i had was a motorola A1000. using a symbian operating system. This was a quite a few years ago and I played with this loads, flashing it, making it a remote for my tv, etc. Since then I have got married, had kids, got two jobs, blah blah and totally fallen out of the loop. I used an SPVM500 on Orange as standard for a couple of years and then an HTC Touch as standard for the last couple of years. Never bothering to play or flash or fiddle.
Two days ago I upgraded to the HD which I was happyish with until someone told me I had a great phone, the best phone, infact even better than an Iphone, but within a month it would be out of date because it uses an old operating system (which lets be honest, isnt great) and I would have no access to a new iphone type store, easier menu's, iphone rival home screen etc
Now reading on here, it seems i need to flash my phone to a new Windows Mobile 6.5 release, which I assume will then make it the best phone ever again!!
Right, if thats correct and I have understood right so far I have only two questions
1. Why so many of these roms - is there not a simple list where the best one goes on top when its released
2. Is there a link to a very simple, some may even say slightly retarded, explanation on how to hold phone in one hand and magic rom impregnator in the other and let them bump uglies? I have seen a post by crackwhore (I assume you arent really one, althuogh if you are will you sort my phone for me for a small rock?) but still remain unsure of some of the language, processes and of course, which ROM to use
Basically, I want the ROM that makes everything work to the best of its ability. I also need and use office apps and want to put my tomtom mobile 6 on to it too
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Please accept my sincere apologies for being inexcusably slow - I am starting to feel like my dad needing to be tought how to text.
Hi,
Flashing a ROM is now childs play. All you need to do is put Hard SPL on your phone (See Crackwhore's step by step guide or the wiki articles on the Blackstone), and then download and flash your ROM. Hard SPL allow's you to flash custom ROMs BTW.
There is no best ROM by the way. It's too subjective, Alice's favourite ROM maybe nothing like Bob's, etc... I'd try one of the more popular ROM's on the Front page (Personally I started on Dutty's ROM's many years ago). There are so many ROM's because different people like different things (some are WM6.1, some are 6.5, some have lot's of apps, some have none).
Take your time to read through wiki articles, they go through ROM flashing step by step. All the information is there.
Thanks
Dave
1. There is soo many roms because everyone has different likes and dislikes. Some are based on WM6.1 and either 1.19, 1.56 or 1.57. Some are based on WM6.5
People have tried previously to make a list, but to judge which is better is a different story and a whole new can of worms.
Check out the wiki and section on roms. You'll find a list (slightly out of date) listing roms. Link to wiki in my signature
2. If you follow cRaCKwHoRe's guide you'll have no problems. If you don't want to follow the whole guide, I'd recommend using new HSPL 1.56. Someone on "cRaCKwHoRe's guide" thread will help you out if you get stuck. Link to guide and HSPL in my signature.
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Arrrgh!!!........I see DavidShaw beat me too it!!!! LOL
Then again if you just got your phone, why the need to flash it right away?
I would play with it for a while, install a few apps here, read through some tweaking guides there. Eventually you will learn to use the phone, and thus also learn how to use your phone. If you have been out of the loop for some time, let it grow on you before you manipulate your newly acquired device. It is a great phone, even without all the roms out there. Many aspects of the newer roms out there can be achieved by installing some apps. Granted not all of the newer features are available on the stock rom (calendar tab for example).
Once you start flashing you will always want more, let me tell you that . So enjoy your phone for a while before you start experimenting.
Ati75 said:
Then again if you just got your phone, why the need to flash it right away?
I would play with it for a while, install a few apps here, read through some tweaking guides there. Eventually you will learn to use the phone, and thus also learn how to use your phone. If you have been out of the loop for some time, let it grow on you before you manipulate your newly acquired device. It is a great phone, even without all the roms out there. Many aspects of the newer roms out there can be achieved by installing some apps. Granted not all of the newer features are available on the stock rom (calendar tab for example).
Once you start flashing you will always want more, let me tell you that . So enjoy your phone for a while before you start experimenting.
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Good advice.
Yes definately get to know your device and read up on the wiki. If after all of this you want to flash, at least you'll be prepared
great advice, thanks all - will try and get tt6 working first as thats what is really annoying me most!!
mineistaken said:
great advice, thanks all - will try and get tt6 working first as thats what is really annoying me most!!
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Your problem is that your most likely not using correct version of tomtom. TT7 is out, but you'll need to check which build or version of 7 works on the HD.
Go to Themes, Applications and Software forum and do a search for tomtom. I've started you off with these 2 threads:
TomTom On HD
TomTom - What Version??
Hope this helps
fantastc - thanks so much. will be bedtime reading for me tonight
(its the same tt6 i had on my touch. i have just taken the mini sd card out of one and into the other which has the .cab files and maps already on it)
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fantastc - thanks so much. will be bedtime reading for me tonight
(its the same tt6 i had on my touch. i have just taken the mini sd card out of one and into the other which has the .cab files and maps already on it)
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I'd keep all your files, especially the maps etc. Go onto one of the threads I listed above, probably the first is the best one and they'll be able to guide you in the right direction. I'd imagine your maps should work on another version.
I have version TomTom 7_910.9185 working with no problems. If you PM with your email address I'll happily email it to you. I do however believe their is some newer versions, though some have had problems with them
Bruce, a very active and extremely helpful user helped me understand the basics of flashing a rom. It finally was sucessful and I now have one of duttys awesome roms installed.
The process helped me grasp some of the general aspects about the phone, and I am very greatful for the help I already got, because I would never have dared to leap into it myself.
What some of you guys might not understand is that the information here can be quite overwhelming despite all the newbie guides. To put it roughly: Flashing a rom appearantly boils down to installing a .cab, placing a exe in a folder together with a spl.nbh and then running the exe. Then you replace the .nbh with your chosen rom-file and run the .exe again.. There you have it.. More or less described in two sentences, but when you read about it here its just... Woah.. Bigtime information overload.
My point is that I have no doubt that you get the same questions over and over and over again, and it must leave the impressions that people are to lazy to look into the things themselves. In some cases that may be true, but I bet that in most cases it aint. It is simply a question about things sounding more complicated than it is when you browse such a comphrensive forum as this.
So despite the newbie-guides, pre-guides and "for dummies guides" you will still get questions that has already been answered. And in most cases it is a sign of unsecurity more than lazyness.... And maybe because that enthusiasts (the polite way of saying nerds) may THINK they explain things as simple as possible, but for a newbie it is still extremely complicated.
Just a little thought after my own first experiences with tampering with my phone.
With that said, my "new" phone left me with some questions:
- Is a cooked ROM a legal piece of software? Not that I care much about it, Im just curious. It looks like a windows with a very comprehensive skin, but afaik it is a whole new OS, and I doubt that the chefs have been building those up from scratch. Does that mean that it is a hacked windows or what? EDIT: Found an interesting read and got it answered: Not legal, but noone cares I guess.. We all paid the software the day we bought the phone. The day we see phones without preinstalled OS the case may be a different I guess
- With my new Dutty ROM I was forced to give up my danish interface. Is it possible to change at least some of the interface back to danish in some way? The ROM itself have no built-in support for danish, but maybe through a language pack of some sort? Also my phonenumbers shows up in this format: (XXX) XXX-XX which is quite annoying for a dane who is used to XXXXXXXX. Is there any way to change this back to the way it were? I have not been able to find the options in anywhere of the settings-menu (99 % sure it isnt there, looked both in regional settings and phone settings). I have brief experiences with tampering with the registry file, but I am reluctant to do so without proper guidance to where to modify it, but I assume that thats where I will do it?
I have already recieved extremely much help here and I WILL take my part in answering my share of inquiries on this board when I have the answers at hand.
Thank you in advance.
Mmmm...
"Also my phonenumbers shows up in this format: (XXX) XXX-XX which is quite annoying for a dane who is used to XXXXXXXX. Is there any way to change this back to the way it were?"
I may be wrong, but you should be able to do this with the 'Regional Settings' - Go to Settings Tab, Locale & Text, Regional and select the country you want from the 'Region' list. I'm not sure if this works for phone numbers though?
It is set to danish but only have impact on the currency and date formats.
If it was THAT easy, I deserved a whooping for asking.