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Is it just me or is the speaker really crappy?

I was wondering if anyone else noticed, but when I put a call on speaker the sound that comes out of it is really really crappy...
Is there *any* way this could somehow be improved, without changing the speaker itself?
The voices sound totally metallic and screeching like this
Turning down the volume doesn't really help, cause then I can't hear the voices at all....
What is your experience with this?

So it's just me...?

I read here on Xda some similar opinions.....

Ildefonse said:
So it's just me...?
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Nope mine is the same, it really does suck..sounds far too tinny...

me too and I was pretty disappointed when I listened to music via the headset too, no bass and low volume, at least with the Windows Media Player, maybe TCPMP does better.

webvan said:
me too and I was pretty disappointed when I listened to music via the headset too, no bass and low volume, at least with the Windows Media Player, maybe TCPMP does better.
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This is definitely a bug, in the middle of playing a song, switch the Audio Booster OFF, then unplug and replug the headphones, then switch the Audio Booster back on. Problem solved.
On another note, the supplied headphones aren't that great anyway. I'm waiting for a USB to 3.5mm audio adapter in the mail, and then I will test the bass with some proper headphones. But do try my suggestion above as it does fix the bass issue. Only problem is you will find yourself doing that fix a lot! The problem will reoccur eventually.

Thanks, actually I hadn't even thought of trying the "Audio Booster", why the heck do you need that anyway ?! SRS Wow I can understand being optional, but that ?
I have a 3.5" adapter handing around from my Kaiser will try it with better headphones, but the Touch Dual had decent sound with the supplied headset. I think it was a different player though, HTC Player ? Where did that go !

f'course the speakers suck big time. It ain't a Sony Ericsson though!
using an MP3/WAV as ring tone is a disaster, so better stick to the on-board electronic high treble midi tones.
HTC had only 1 device made in the last years with good sound: Atom life with double stereo speakers if I am not mistaken.
my Tytn II sounds better in all aspects and that was neither a glory.

I am starting to think that mine sucks more than average now. Even the regular tones that come with the phone really really suck.
And putting a conversation on speaker, well that just sounds like talking through 2 cans with a wire in between them.

"Is it just me or is the speaker really crappy?"
What do u expect from something this small?

webvan said:
me too and I was pretty disappointed when I listened to music via the headset too, no bass and low volume, at least with the Windows Media Player, maybe TCPMP does better.
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Thats because Diamond has a low-pass filter that effectively cuts low frequencies from sound output.
To what purpose, I have no idea. But thats a sad fact.
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(frequency response graph courtesy of gsmarena.com)

if you want to play music
get a ipod
if you want a phone...get a diamond

adesonic said:
What do u expect from something this small?
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I expect the speakerphone to at least be useable. It's so bad that the option shouldn't even be there on the phone. If I'd known it was this bad I wouldn't have bought the phone in the first place as this feature is quite important to me.
I expect the speakerphone (and general call quality) to at least be as good as other phones of similar size (Nokia, Sony Ericsson etc).
I expect the battery to last more than 12 hours with direct push turned on.
I expect to be flamed for writing this by people who are happy with their phone because they don't need this and that function.
I expect I'll be replacing my phone with something that works well as soon as I can afford to.

wow thats a lot of expectations!
most people use forums like these to determine what is good & what is crap BEFORE they make the big commitment.

Sansa Clip Zip - Nice!

I decided to use a Best Buy certificate and apply it to the new Sansa Clip Zip MP3 player. I got the 4GB red one for $9.99 and this baby sounds sweet. It uses the beloved AMS SoC rather than the debacle of the Fuze+. This gives excellent SQ. It doesn't deviate from the previous Clips either by continuing to provide an SD card slot and still handles the high-end music formats. I took my Cowon D2 with me to pick up my Clip Zip and simply pulled the microSD from it and inserted it into the Clip Zip while sitting in the car. After an initialization at power-on, I was playing all of my FLAC files. Super convenient and superb SQ for extra low money. I'm currently using my Sleek Audio SA6 IEMs with it.
One changed thing from the previous Clips is the use of a microUSB port instead of miniUSB. This makes it more convenient charging the Clip Zip with the common USB cable I use for my phones.

I'm glad you like it. Enjoy!
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I was looking over Sandisk's latest MP3 products and they have drastically reduced their line. The only MP3 players they sell now are the Fuze+, Clip+ and Clip Zip.
I guess times are tough for them.

I would think, especially since (most??) smartphone users just use their phones to listen to music...like I do.
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I have one of these too... they are great.

My first MP3 player was a SanDisk. Now I have Samsung's 5 inch Galaxy Player.

NightHawk877 said:
My first MP3 player was a SanDisk. Now I have Samsung's 5 inch Galaxy Player.
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Ewww...nice MP3 player! I have seriously considered getting one of those. But I can't find what audio chip it has. Those new Philips Android Connect players are sweet too.

next time, try a sony walkman, and see the difference

husam666 said:
next time, try a sony walkman, and see the difference
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What do you use as your mp3 player? I use my phone
-We do what we must because we can. For the good of all us, except the ones who are dead.-

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What do you use as your mp3 player? I use my phone
-We do what we must because we can. For the good of all us, except the ones who are dead.-
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I use this, it's awesome, perfect sound quality, and can read high quality files, I son't like to use my phone, I'd rather spare my battery for things that are more important such as living for another few days or the internet
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husam666 said:
I use this, it's awesome, perfect sound quality, and can read high quality files, I son't like to use my phone, I'd rather spare my battery for things that are more important such as living for another few days or the internet
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Those are super sweet, but I already have more than 10 Sony DAPs, including 2 of the Sony version of the iAudio X5...the NWA-1200. It uses the same audio chip as the X5. I have an NWZ-A728, NWZ-A818 and some smaller thumbdrive style ones.
The best sounding DAPs I have are my Cowon D2 and iRiver Clix2 Redline, iPod Nano 3G, Zune 8, Sansa Clip+ and now the Clip Zip. Though my Samsung P3 isn't bad sounding either. My Creative Zen Vision-M is an excellent sounding DAP.
But this new Clip Zip using FLAC files has such a beautifully sweet tonal balance and crispness with excellent definition. The Clip+, which preceded this new Clip Zip received a lot of rave reviews and praise for sounding so good and Sandisk didn't deviate from the Clip+ ingredients when they made the Zip. It uses the same SoC and other hardware.

MartyLK said:
Those are super sweet, but I already have more than 10 Sony DAPs, including 2 of the Sony version of the iAudio X5...the NWA-1200. It uses the same audio chip as the X5. I have an NWZ-A728, NWZ-A818 and some smaller thumbdrive style ones.
The best sounding DAPs I have are my Cowon D2 and iRiver Clix2 Redline, iPod Nano 3G, Zune 8, Sansa Clip+ and now the Clip Zip. Though my Samsung P3 isn't bad sounding either. My Creative Zen Vision-M is an excellent sounding DAP.
But this new Clip Zip using FLAC files has such a beautifully sweet tonal balance and crispness with excellent definition. The Clip+, which preceded this new Clip Zip received a lot of rave reviews and praise for sounding so good and Sandisk didn't deviate from the Clip+ ingredients when they made the Zip. It uses the same SoC and other hardware.
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you sound very educated when it comes to such stuff, you beat me, i have nothing in reply

husam666 said:
you sound very educated when it comes to such stuff, you beat me, i have nothing in reply
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I used to be very heavy into DAPs a couple years ago. I'm a gadget freak. Never satisfied, always have to have something new. I ran out of money spending it all on DAPs and IEMs...lol
I learned all I could about audio formats and hardware...not that I know as much as a lot of the others, but I learned enough to get myself into money trouble...lol
My IEM collection is almost as extensive as my DAP collection. And I currently have about 80 to 90 DAPs. And this is after trading off a bunch of them for high-end IEMs like my Shure SE530, Klipsch Image X10, Ultimate Ears Triple fi-10 and others. My current favs are the Sleek Audio SA6. Amazing SQ for a customizable IEM.

Phone is good, but has some major flaws.....

Camera quality = decent
Video Recording = laggy when moving around (try it yourself)
Speakers = lol are they serious?
battery = alright, nothing great.
Other then that phone is awesome. I love everything else about it, overall i'm going to keep it.

Every one complains about the speakers but I thought it was good coming from a n4 where is muffled all the time its a big improvement.
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rayoubi said:
Camera quality = decent
Video Recording = laggy when moving around (try it yourself)
Speakers = lol are they serious?
battery = alright, nothing great.
Other then that phone is awesome. I love everything else about it, overall i'm going to keep it.
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The speaker is whatever to me. The placement isn't the greatest, my finger seems to fall in that spot quite often, but as far as the quality, it's... a cell phone. Coming from the HTC One I feel spoiled. I just took some camera shots in my apartment between the One and the Nexus, normal and HDR, and I was impressed with the Nexus' camera. I just wish the shutter speed was faster.
I was worried when I got it that it wouldn't live up to the One, and while there are some trade-offs, I think I'm going to be happy with making the switch.

The direction of the speaker makes a big difference. In landscape mode the sound only comes from 1 side which almost feels like one of your headphones isn't working.
On the plus side the quality is quite good when volume isn't an issue.

rayoubi said:
Camera quality = decent
Video Recording = laggy when moving around (try it yourself)
Speakers = lol are they serious?
battery = alright, nothing great.
Other then that phone is awesome. I love everything else about it, overall i'm going to keep it.
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So the title says "major flaws", yet the list doesn't really reflect that?
For me, the speaker is poor, bus that's about it really and I wouldn't classify that as a major flaw.
Regards,
Dave
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foxmeister said:
So the title says "major flaws", yet the list doesn't really reflect that?
For me, the speaker is poor, bus that's about it really and I wouldn't classify that as a major flaw.
Regards,
Dave
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OP needs to rename this thread to "minor flaws"

I still see this phone not as a migration for people already having an high end device but a really good jump from older devices. I had an HTC one X, and if it had not broken six month ago (I fell back to HD2 in the mean time) I wouldn't have bought the N5. It's a good device, but a part from the hype I don't see any major motivation to switch to it.
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Mtk87 said:
I still see this phone not as a migration for people already having an high end device but a really good jump from older devices. I had an HTC one X, and if it had not broken six month ago (I fell back to HD2 in the mean time) I wouldn't have bought the N5. It's a good device, but a part from the hype I don't see any major motivation to switch to it.
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You could say that about ANY device.
They are all a compromise, you have to decide if the balance of price / features / openness /etc is right for you.

Speaker sucks!! Not a real improvement since N4. I can even flash some special mod to make the speaker in my previous N4 more seriously.... Someone still said.... decent volume? O.M.G.
Luckily I listen to music through Bluetooth in my car, and never talking when turn on the speaker, so... not a big deal. But my brother just give up and trade it plus a couple $ with an HTC One and happy with that (sh!tty phone IMO)
Everything else is great. I love my N5.

This is my first Nexus phone and I Ferrell the speaker is low, but I'm learning it may be certain videos while on YouTube.
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noobdeagle said:
Every one complains about the speakers but I thought it was good coming from a n4 where is muffled all the time its a big improvement.
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And they are entitled to criticize the product, we just simply need one thread for such comments, which are as good as yours or mine.

So far the only thing that's disappointed me is battery life... speaker placement is questionable sure, but not that big a deal in my opinion. What are the odds of battery life improving noticeably with an update from Google/developers?
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They should use words instead of numbers to rate these threads because I would have given it an AWESOME but I gave it a 1 because this is my new #1 thread!

Please use one of the existing threads
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[Q] Headphone & BT Sound Quality

Most threads here and across the 'net seem obsessed (probably correctly) with the Z3+ thermal issues. I cannot find any real analysis of the sound quality, either via headphones or BT.
I have three broad questions:
1. What is the impact of the new automatic headphone calibration system? Does it do anything useful?
2. How is the BT performance with apt-x headphones?
3. Anyone used LDAC with Sony headphones? If so, does it work well and does it sound demonstrably different with hires files?
I'm asking all these questions as I've recently 'upgraded' from a Z3 Compact to a LG G4. Found the sound quality from the Z3C pretty good, though had the occasional BT connection glitch. Not too fond so far of the LG G4's audio, and BT seems to have a weird issue with performance - a digital 'haze' when also connected with a Smartwatch. Just wanted to know what the Z3+ is like in audio terms, as I have only a few days left with my carrier to swap phones, and Z3+ is all I'm realistically considered. Not a fan of Samsung phones at all, and a removable SD card is key for me, so that rules out the S6 anyway.

academicbarzo said:
1. What is the impact of the new automatic headphone calibration system? Does it do anything useful?
2. How is the BT performance with apt-x headphones?
3. Anyone used LDAC with Sony headphones? If so, does it work well and does it sound demonstrably different with hires files?
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Now I am not an audiophile by any stretch of the word, but I do like my music to sound good.
That said, I can tell you that the apt-x headphones I used with my Z4 (Panasonic Backbeat Pro) sound absolutely amazing.
I have not given LDAC a try, but I know very little about it. It is for FLAC files over wireless, right?

EnderIII said:
Now I am not an audiophile by any stretch of the word, but I do like my music to sound good.
That said, I can tell you that the apt-x headphones I used with my Z4 (Panasonic Backbeat Pro) sound absolutely amazing.
I have not given LDAC a try, but I know very little about it. It is for FLAC files over wireless, right?
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Its for HiRes fies, not just FLAC. Anything recorded beyond CD quality. Thanks for the comments.
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I'm a bit of an audiophile, but only when it comes to music production (metal music in particular).
That being said, the sound quality through headphones is amazing. I've been using either the Bose Noise Comfort 15, and the Quadbeats that my LG G4 came with, and I must say - I love the sound quality when ClearAudio+ is enabled.
The only downside to the audio aspect of the Z3+ is the fact that the speakers are horribly low. At their highest volume, they're not loud, and the phone vibrates a lot because of the sound. It's clear, but just very quiet. I'd be a bit hesitant with raising the max volume via root (not sure if that can be accomplished with this phone, but I did it with my G3) because the phone really does shake a lot.

I can only comment on the headphone output of the phone, I do not use speakerphone for anything but the occasional call and YT video. I wouldn't expect them to be anything decent, though I've found them to be adequate for my use. I'm coming from a Moto X (2013) for reference.
I'm no expert so take as you will. My brief listening experience with the phone has all been done with these suckers:
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Those are Alclair Reference CIEMs. Yea, they're badass. No, I do not have an amp between them and the phone, they are wired directly.
I've played 320kbps MP3s and Flac files. They all sound good, I notice no difference between this and the Moto X. I did however notice a slight difference when I enabled the Xperia smart sound (I think that's what it was called), it made the image stage a bit wider. Otherwise I found the sound to be as accurate as my previous phone, though I attribute that mostly to the headphones.

Any word on software updates to optimize/improve Camera?

I remember during the Idol 3 launch that there were issues initially (DTTW not working, snapchat bugs, etc) that were addressed in subsequent updates. These things were swept under the rug for reviewers but for people who actually owned the phone, they were able to benefit.
Currently my main concern is the camera and I was curious if anyone has heard any news on Alcatel working to try and improve the OIS or low-light capabilities via software (if that is even possible).

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I remember during the Idol 3 launch that there were issues initially (DTTW not working, snapchat bugs, etc) that were addressed in subsequent updates. These things were swept under the rug for reviewers but for people who actually owned the phone, they were able to benefit.
Currently my main concern is the camera and I was curious if anyone has heard any news on Alcatel working to try and improve the OIS or low-light capabilities via software (if that is even possible).
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I don't have this exactly device, but I have the twin brother (Vodafone Smart Platinum 7) and I wrote to a Vodafone customer manager about this.
They told me they will talk with the people in the software department, and maybe in a future they can improve a little the software, but the lack of hardware can't be fixed with software.
My main complain was that the photos most of the time are blurry when trying to see the details, and that we have no stabilization for 60fps and 2K-4K.

Galaxo60 said:
I don't have this exactly device, but I have the twin brother (Vodafone Smart Platinum 7) and I wrote to a Vodafone customer manager about this.
They told me they will talk with the people in the software department, and maybe in a future they can improve a little the software, but the lack of hardware can't be fixed with software.
My main complain was that the photos most of the time are blurry when trying to see the details, and that we have no stabilization for 60fps and 2K-4K.
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Thanks. I've heard good things about the Vodafone version. I currently have the Idol 3, and coming from the Nexus 4 before that, it was a big improvement in terms of photo quality. I've been using my Idol 3 for photos a lot recently and although it is great for well-lit, non-moving objects, I have become more aware of the lower quality pics in low-light and blurry pics in general when there is slight movement. I think the Idol 4S is a step up in terms of quality but still leaves something to be desired overall.
Recently I ended up getting a reasonably-priced digital camera which takes great photos. It really illustrated how good a camera can be. I might just get the Idol 4S and carry my digital camera with me for special occasions.

Updated yesterday to version 010 02 with the august security patches with the Mobile Upgrade Q desktop programm. Camera seems better imo opinion (at least with sufficient light!) and overall performance seems faster and snappier then before. Caution: upgrading with Q will flash the whole rom and wipes the device!. Idol 4S 6070K Netherlands. Realy love the devices`s performance and especialy the great speakers

Saw a video review with a blind comparison to the S7 for photos/videos.
Lowlight is pretty meh and video bounces around a lot, but the well lit areas really give the S7 a run for it's money.
It sounds like the key to using the camera is A) Good lighting and B)Keep a steady hand

macallik said:
Saw a video review with a blind comparison to the S7 for photos/videos.
Lowlight is pretty meh and video bounces around a lot, but the well lit areas really give the S7 a run for it's money.
It sounds like the key to using the camera is A) Good lighting and B)Keep a steady hand
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Pretty much is about the steady hand, because with this you can make nice pictures.
I attach some pictures I made with the phone.
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This pic is stunning. Thanks for sharing

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This pic is stunning. Thanks for sharing
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As long as you keep it steady, it indeed does a good job.
HRD is really nice for low lights situations, but again, you must be really steady when taking the pictures.
Regarding the manual mode, is also nice to play with it and you can get some nice results as well.

Manual mode is great for macro and long exposure shots. My friend who works for TCL told me an update to Android Nougat is already under development but no release date is known as of yet.

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Manual mode is great for macro and long exposure shots. My friend who works for TCL told me an update to Android Nougat is already under development but no release date is known as of yet.
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TBH when my Idol 3 updated to MM, my cell reception went wonky so I am in no rush.