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[Q] n1 unlocking

there is a cell phone provider in canada.
not tmobile or att..
they claim to get fresh inventory of N1's
they claim that they will be locked to their network only and cannot be unlocked at all..
level one rep couldnt tell me what band they use-- just that phones will use their own 3G
they will sell phones outright but said that they are useless on another network..
what stock can i put in what i was told?
thanx

Most probably - 0 credibility.

A nexus one CANNOT be carrier-locked. End of story. No matter where you get your N1 from, it WILL come UNLOCKED.

MaximReapage said:
A nexus one CANNOT be carrier-locked. End of story. No matter where you get your N1 from, it WILL come UNLOCKED.
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thanx for the replies..
the provider is mobilicity.
i shouldve been more specific..
what about the 3G capabilities of buying their phone and using on usa tmobile or ATT?
thanx

MaximReapage said:
A nexus one CANNOT be carrier-locked. End of story. No matter where you get your N1 from, it WILL come UNLOCKED.
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You say that, but there are numerous reports of the French (SFR) N1's being carrier locked.

Rusty! said:
You say that, but there are numerous reports of the French (SFR) N1's being carrier locked.
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And it's about 100th time you're writing this and failing to read the reply - that ALL the SFR Nexus that were checked, weren't carrier locked at all. People report what the sales reps tell them.

amkaos said:
what about the 3G capabilities of buying their phone and using on usa tmobile or ATT?
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It will be working on one of those. There are only 2 models of Nexus, one WILL work 3G with TMo, one WILL work 3G with AT&T. Nobody can change it without digging into HW and changing antennas, or at the very least changing the radio to restrict some of the communications - and nobody could get any of this done. HTC doesn't allow HW changes in their phones, and Qualcomm doesn't provide customized radio builds on demand (or at all).
Considering this, I believe the story of this carrier's rep has the same credibility as SIM lock of SFR Nexus - which is, 0.

im pretty sure they are going to videotron in Quebec. they use AWS.

Jack_R1 said:
And it's about 100th time you're writing this and failing to read the reply - that ALL the SFR Nexus that were checked, weren't carrier locked at all. People report what the sales reps tell them.
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I've mentioned it twice that I can remember. Good news they're not locked, but like I said I was only commenting on what I read.
I shall not mention it again

Rusty! said:
I've mentioned it twice that I can remember. Good news they're not locked, but like I said I was only commenting on what I read.
I shall not mention it again
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I wasn't serious about 100 times, either
But there were 2 reports on this forum from people that bought the phone, were told that it's locked, checked it and discovered it completely unlocked.

Jack_R1 said:
It will be working on one of those. There are only 2 models of Nexus, one WILL work 3G with TMo, one WILL work 3G with AT&T. Nobody can change it without digging into HW and changing antennas, or at the very least changing the radio to restrict some of the communications - and nobody could get any of this done. HTC doesn't allow HW changes in their phones, and Qualcomm doesn't provide customized radio builds on demand (or at all).
Considering this, I believe the story of this carrier's rep has the same credibility as SIM lock of SFR Nexus - which is, 0.
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i know that we can tell from the numbers under the battery cover.. but a rep isnt going to know OR tell me if he did know...
how can we find out which usa carrier they will work on?
the rep said that the company is using their carrier lines from old sony ..
i completely didnt understand this at all..
thanx

One way would be to find the carrier on this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks

Jack_R1 said:
One way would be to find the carrier on this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks
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that answers it... perfect..
thank you

[Q] Can I trick Sprint into thinking I have a different phone?

Hi, can someone explain to me how Sprint knows what phone I am using? Is it with a hardware identification number? Is there a way to spoof this number, so that Sprint will think I'm using a phone that's not a smartphone?
PLEASE - can anyone provide me with some information? I think this is doable - I just don't know much about it. Thanks

infernosoft said:
Hi, can someone explain to me how Sprint knows what phone I am using? Is it with a hardware identification number? Is there a way to spoof this number, so that Sprint will think I'm using a phone that's not a smartphone?
PLEASE - can anyone provide me with some information? I think this is doable - I just don't know much about it. Thanks
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Change your msl and build prop can't tell you how though

infernosoft said:
Hi, can someone explain to me how Sprint knows what phone I am using? Is it with a hardware identification number? Is there a way to spoof this number, so that Sprint will think I'm using a phone that's not a smartphone?
PLEASE - can anyone provide me with some information? I think this is doable - I just don't know much about it. Thanks
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basically when you activate your phone you give them a serial # this is hard coded into every sprint phone, their probably might be a way to do it but i can tell you for sure its highly illegal to do what your trying to do

Thanks for the info - I'm just curious in general as to how Sprint knows what phone we use. I've been looking at the setprop values on my phone, thinking that one of those properties are the ones set by Sprint to determine what phone I'm using. What do you guys think?

infernosoft said:
Thanks for the info - I'm just curious in general as to how Sprint knows what phone we use. I've been looking at the setprop values on my phone, thinking that one of those properties are the ones set by Sprint to determine what phone I'm using. What do you guys think?
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nope nothing on the phone can change what ESN sprint activates that ESN is what determines your model

thoughtlesskyle said:
nope nothing on the phone can change what ESN sprint activates that ESN is what determines your model
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yep. and esn changing/cloning will put you in the slammer.

HeroMeng said:
yep. and esn changing/cloning will put you in the slammer.
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very very true, extremely illegal, and they WILL report you if they find out.
that being said, it CAN be done. no i will not tell you how. if you want to go to jail search the web for esn changing. i am not going to offer any advice on finding it. BUT it is out there, it has been done.

ngholson said:
very very true, extremely illegal, and they WILL report you if they find out.
that being said, it CAN be done. no i will not tell you how. if you want to go to jail search the web for esn changing. i am not going to offer any advice on finding it. BUT it is out there, it has been done.
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I did some reading on ESN changing, and it doesn't seem like something I want to do - it doesn't even seem to do what I want to do.
Changing my ESN to Bob's ESN (for example), would make my calls/texts be deducted from his plan rather than mine - correct?
All I want to do is report my phone as being a dumb phone rather than a smartphone to Sprint - is ESN changing the only way to do this?

infernosoft said:
I did some reading on ESN changing, and it doesn't seem like something I want to do - it doesn't even seem to do what I want to do.
Changing my ESN to Bob's ESN (for example), would make my calls/texts be deducted from his plan rather than mine - correct?
All I want to do is report my phone as being a dumb phone rather than a smartphone to Sprint - is ESN changing the only way to do this?
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yes you would have to get a dumb phones esn clone it to that then activate the dumb phone

What could you possibly want to do this for!?
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My guess is he wants out of the monthly data/android charge. It's like thirty bucks on contract.
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HTC One LTE - what front end is installed

Another question...
PDAdb.net reports that the HTC model 801n has a selectable secondary radio see attached image from their spec sheet.
Does anyone know how this would be selected, if it is not enabled initially?
I bought the phone from the UK and I am just hoping hoping hoping that the PDAbd spec is correct and that I can get the LTE running.
I am not sure what front end that One has - I think the RF360 is too new.. isn't it? Because if that is installed, it can run any network..... Nice job Qualcomm....
Many thanks,
Nick

nickywaldo said:
Another question...
PDAdb.net reports that the HTC model 801n has a selectable secondary radio see attached image from their spec sheet.
Does anyone know how this would be selected, if it is not enabled initially?
I bought the phone from the UK and I am just hoping hoping hoping that the PDAbd spec is correct and that I can get the LTE running.
I am not sure what front end that One has - I think the RF360 is too new.. isn't it? Because if that is installed, it can run any network..... Nice job Qualcomm....
Many thanks,
Nick
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The specs on the screenshot is wrong. However HTC One is using a modem similar to the Xperia Z. However other frequency bands are locked out & through software or should I say the baseband so it's very hard to make it into a world phone. Possible but if HTC decides to create a baseband for it.

[Q] Can we activate Sprint HTC One outside of us?

Hi,
I have bought this HTC one sprint variant and i want to know whether we can activate it outside US. And do we need to activate to use the phone(normal apps apart from calls and sms)??

kgowrav said:
Hi,
I have bought this HTC one sprint variant and i want to know whether we can activate it outside US. And do we need to activate to use the phone(normal apps apart from calls and sms)??
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I would have to say that activating a US phone outside the US is going to be an epic fail. But, I could be wrong. Check here:
http://support.sprint.com/support/a...internationally/case-fk158645-20111013-192949
I would be prepared to speak with a Sprint rep and also be prepared for disappointment. You could always sim unlock it and open the global settings which will allow for international use, albeit with some adjustments.
Here is one thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2386703
I am sure there are others.....

BMP7777 said:
I would have to say that activating a US phone outside the US is going to be an epic fail. But, I could be wrong. Check here:
http://support.sprint.com/support/a...internationally/case-fk158645-20111013-192949
I would be prepared to speak with a Sprint rep and also be prepared for disappointment. You could always sim unlock it and open the global settings which will allow for international use, albeit with some adjustments.
Here is one thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2386703
I am sure there are others.....
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Even an unlock will do... I was afraid that we cannot use the phone entirely if we cant activate.

kgowrav said:
Even an unlock will do... I was afraid that we cannot use the phone entirely if we cant activate.
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Not sure if that makes a difference or not, to be honest. That's why the first link was to Sprint; they would have more solid information than just me spitballing. You can root, unlock(bootloader, not sim), and S-Off and then flash a 4.3 ROM with embedded global and GSM settings, of which my build of Beanstalk is one. My advice would be to research different alternatives based on your situation, and decide how you want to proceed. I am sure there is a way to get the service you need out of your device, but I can only offer these suggestions, because your situation is pretty unique.
Good luck.

(Q) Will anyone ever be able to unlock bootloaders that say NO on the Z1?

Is anyone working on breaking this problem? Hate myself for getting this phone now, everyone else is running away with custom kernels and any soft headed person who decided to go with their provider is also stuck unless their provider didn't ask for it to be locked down.
What is the actual difference between the two phones? Unlockable or not unlockable? Could one not be migrated to the other or is that not possible?
I want to stretch this phones legs and i'm unable to because of it.
Any help, input, pointers would be grateful.
Any "No your a tool for buying from your provider an sony have always done this" is not helpful.
Cheers.

dladz said:
Is anyone working on breaking this problem? Hate myself for getting this phone now, everyone else is running away with custom kernels and any soft headed person who decided to go with their provider is also stuck unless their provider didn't ask for it to be locked down.
What is the actual difference between the two phones? Unlockable or not unlockable? Could one not be migrated to the other or is that not possible?
I want to stretch this phones legs and i'm unable to because of it.
Any help, input, pointers would be grateful.
Any "No your a tool for buying from your provider an sony have always done this" is not helpful.
Cheers.
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Unfortunately talking from experience with Sony Xperia Z and other Android phones, this has never been possible. Bootloader unlock allowed: No on Xperia Z has not been hacked after all the time that the device has been out, I would not count on a solution for Xperia Z1.
Sorry to put your hopes down, but most likely this will never be possible.
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No real developers have openely said they are working on it.
A few people have tried a few things but this needs someone with real developing/hacking skills (Like the_laser).
The problem is that all the developers know to get unlockable phones, so they don't have/need to work on the bootloader issue.
Adam Outler was given an Xperia T with an bootloader that says no, and he gave up after a few months.

You aren't missing anything mate.
Before Z1 I had Xperia S, I unlocked bootloader and when I tried every ROM on XDA..... I settled down on @niaboc79 eXistanZ. (stock based ROM for locked and unlocked bootloaders)
Believe me, we'll get many great things on Z1 you just have to be patient.
Now I bought Z1 with a bootloader locked (unlockable), I knew that from the beginning and I didn't care.
When Z1 recive 4.4 and few other devs join here, you'll see you'll have many different ROMs to choose...
Yes, it's true, you can't get custom kernel and maybe you can't OC your CPU or GPU but Z1 has quad on 2.2 Ghz and there's really no need for 2.5Ghz or 3.0Ghz.
Remember, we are using phones, without cooling system and OC will overheating hardware and that's not good...
As I said, you/we are not missing anything.
eXistanZ will, eventually, be released for Z1, just like all other great ROMs and we'll have awesome software for device...
In the next few days/weeks devs will manage to develop tools for rooting Z1 on 4.3 and that's all you need to get 99% of goodies on Z1.
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Thanks everyone, I appreciate it.
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You aren't missing anything mate.
Before Z1 I had Xperia S, I unlocked bootloader and when I tried every ROM on XDA..... I settled down on @niaboc79 eXistanZ. (stock based ROM for locked and unlocked bootloaders)
Believe me, we'll get many great things on Z1 you just have to be patient.
Now I bought Z1 with a bootloader locked (unlockable), I knew that from the beginning and I didn't care.
When Z1 recive 4.4 and few other devs join here, you'll see you'll have many different ROMs to choose...
Yes, it's true, you can't get custom kernel and maybe you can't OC your CPU or GPU but Z1 has quad on 2.2 Ghz and there's really no need for 2.5Ghz or 3.0Ghz.
Remember, we are using phones, without cooling system and OC will overheating hardware and that's not good...
As I said, you/we are not missing anything.
eXistanZ will, eventually, be released for Z1, just like all other great ROMs and we'll have awesome software for device...
In the next few days/weeks devs will manage to develop tools for rooting Z1 on 4.3 and that's all you need to get 99% of goodies on Z1.
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Yea you're right m8, I do like the phone, it's just the first time i've not been able to use the other kernels.
What about the likes of PA and AOSP rom's, don't they need a kernel from the likes of doomlord to work?
Great if they don't, i don't stick with them for very long but it's nice to try them out from time to time.

dladz said:
Yea you're right m8, I do like the phone, it's just the first time i've not been able to use the other kernels.
What about the likes of PA and AOSP rom's, don't they need a kernel from the likes of doomlord to work?
Great if they don't, i don't stick with them for very long but it's nice to try them out from time to time.
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Yeap, they need custom kernels so without unlocked bootloader you can't use them
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funky0308 said:
Yeap, they need custom kernels so without unlocked bootloader you can't use them
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Bugger.
Thanks again m8, i'm going to avoid the original dev section like the plague.
Google edition should be ok though right?

I got one with locked boot loader from Telenor here in Sweden.
I'm thinking about calling them and complain. There is NOTHING in my contract with them that says anything about locked boot loader.
The only thing that is stated is carrier-locked to Telenor. Ok, so I can unlock that after 12 month or find another webpage that can do it for me.
I talked to Sony Sweden about it and they said the normal jobberish about they don't wan't us to change "software", Their branded software. Well after 12 month they let me unlock the phone. Why not then letting me change "software". No the phone will still be locked. I say that is to not follow the contract. They say I can unlock my phone after 12 month, then why not let me ? No, they only let me unlock the carrier-lock. So in theory the phone will still be locked to Telenor. That's whats wrong with the contract.
Am I barking up the wrong tree here, or might there actually be a little loop-hole that I can use to get my phone unlocked or maybe even get a replaced phone ?

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I got one with locked boot loader from Telenor here in Sweden.
I'm thinking about calling them and complain. There is NOTHING in my contract with them that says anything about locked boot loader.
The only thing that is stated is carrier-locked to Telenor. Ok, so I can unlock that after 12 month or find another webpage that can do it for me.
I talked to Sony Sweden about it and they said the normal jobberish about they don't wan't us to change "software", Their branded software. Well after 12 month they let me unlock the phone. Why not then letting me change "software". No the phone will still be locked. I say that is to not follow the contract. They say I can unlock my phone after 12 month, then why not let me ? No, they only let me unlock the carrier-lock. So in theory the phone will still be locked to Telenor. That's whats wrong with the contract.
Am I barking up the wrong tree here, or might there actually be a little loop-hole that I can use to get my phone unlocked or maybe even get a replaced phone ?
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No the phones simlock is nothing to do with the fact that the bootloader can't be unlocked, although it is most likely your carrier who is responsible for the bootloader not being able to be unlocked in the first place.
They are unrelated instances, as far as i know and without some serious tinkering the bootloader will remain the way it is, it seriously sucks and I hate myself for doing it now but it is what it is, the only plausible way out would be if sony were to swap the phone out for one with an unlocked bootloader, i'm sure it is our consumer right to do what we want with our property, especially seeing as Sony has an official page on how to unlock the bootloader officially.
I find this approach to their software preposterous and well you've already seen me have a rant, i'm not a happy bunny.
My guess is that if your carrier replaces the phone then you will get another locked BL, but if for some reason you can get Sony to replace it then you may get one with an unlockable BL, that is the only way around it so far as I can see.

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No the phones simlock is nothing to do with the fact that the bootloader can't be unlocked, although it is most likely your carrier who is responsible for the bootloader not being able to be unlocked in the first place.
They are unrelated instances, as far as i know and without some serious tinkering the bootloader will remain the way it is, it seriously sucks and I hate myself for doing it now but it is what it is, the only plausible way out would be if sony were to swap the phone out for one with an unlocked bootloader, i'm sure it is our consumer right to do what we want with our property, especially seeing as Sony has an official page on how to unlock the bootloader officially.
I find this approach to their software preposterous and well you've already seen me have a rant, i'm not a happy bunny.
My guess is that if your carrier replaces the phone then you will get another locked BL, but if for some reason you can get Sony to replace it then you may get one with an unlockable BL, that is the only way around it so far as I can see.
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I called Telenor and talked to them. They put me through to the support. They coulndät do anything they said. I called Telenor again and got connected to what they called their Sony Xperia support. Got to talk with a nice guy who told me that. Yes it is possible to get by this locked boot loader, but I had to go through Telenor. However, he told me NOT to call them, but to go to an actual store and talk to them. So acording to him, Telenor should be able to solve this issue. I'm still not convinced. But I guess if I can get Telenor to accept fault on their part, maybe they can get Sony to fix it ?

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I called Telenor and talked to them. They put me through to the support. They coulndät do anything they said. I called Telenor again and got connected to what they called their Sony Xperia support. Got to talk with a nice guy who told me that. Yes it is possible to get by this locked boot loader, but I had to go through Telenor. However, he told me NOT to call them, but to go to an actual store and talk to them. So acording to him, Telenor should be able to solve this issue. I'm still not convinced. But I guess if I can get Telenor to accept fault on their part, maybe they can get Sony to fix it ?
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I would take that advice with a pinch of salt, it sounds a little too good to be true, i hope i'm wrong there but my guess is that they won't be able to do anything, I know all the people in the EE store by ours and all of them haven't got a clue what day it is, if i ask about a bootloader they'll probably spaz out.
But hey if it works for you then that's superb.