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So the bootloader on the N1 is designed to be easily unlocked, yet it voids the warranty. Also, it can't be re-locked. Can someone explain exactly why it can't be re-locked? Is it because Google / HTC can't guarantee what low level changes have been made? If so, shouldn't it be technically possible to flash some sort of master image that overwrites the entire phone back to default, including the lock?
If I've unlocked the bootloader, and either keep the stock OS or go back to the stock OS after trying Cyanogen, will OTA updates work? That is, does the unlocked bootloader prevent OTA updates, or just a non-stock OS?
There's a looooong thread about this in Development.
Guess I'm search challenged, because I can't find that thread. Can you point me to it, or summarize it?
Here you go man... start here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613842&highlight=bootloader
Whoa. Ok, I see what you mean.
Anyone know about my other question?:
If I've unlocked the bootloader, and either keep the stock OS or go back to the stock OS after trying Cyanogen, will OTA updates work? That is, does the unlocked bootloader prevent OTA updates, or just a non-stock OS?
oturn said:
Whoa. Ok, I see what you mean.
Anyone know about my other question?:
If I've unlocked the bootloader, and either keep the stock OS or go back to the stock OS after trying Cyanogen, will OTA updates work? That is, does the unlocked bootloader prevent OTA updates, or just a non-stock OS?
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OTA updates are not affected by unlocked bootloaders.
you don't need OTA updates when you are running a custom ROM....We get all the OTA stuff BEFORE, repeat BEFORE, OTA even comes out....Un-lock it and get the best and badest!!
Yesterday I received my one from T-Mobile UK with 1.28.61.7 on board. I am not quite a noob but I have always had devices with WWE un-branded firmwares. There is no bloatware on the device but I guess that, until s-off, I am dependant on T-Mobile to provide updates.
I am not particularly bothered about custom roms and, in the past I have usually gone with stock rooted roms so that I can go add-free and remove anything that I do not require.
Last night I lied awake thinking about the implications about what I have and I really need some informed advice about it.
If I root my device, how can I return it to stock in the future so that I can receive any ota updates that T-Mobile may eventually offer without a RUU which appear to be quite scarce?
Am I able to install custom firmwares based on higher firmwares ie. 1.29.401.12 and, if yes, will I be able to return my device back to stock without an RUU as backup?
I am most confused about the scenario which I have. I love the device apart from the 3 dot menu bar which is doing my head in and am confident in my ability to remove it but am worried about my safety net if something goes wrong. Please somebody enlighten me as to what I am and are not able to do. Thanks in advance.
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Yesterday I received my one from T-Mobile UK with 1.28.61.7 on board. I am not quite a noob but I have always had devices with WWE un-branded firmwares. There is no bloatware on the device but I guess that, until s-off, I am dependant on T-Mobile to provide updates.
I am not particularly bothered about custom roms and, in the past I have usually gone with stock rooted roms so that I can go add-free and remove anything that I do not require.
Last night I lied awake thinking about the implications about what I have and I really need some informed advice about it.
If I root my device, how can I return it to stock in the future so that I can receive any ota updates that T-Mobile may eventually offer without a RUU which appear to be quite scarce?
Am I able to install custom firmwares based on higher firmwares ie. 1.29.401.12 and, if yes, will I be able to return my device back to stock without an RUU as backup?
I am most confused about the scenario which I have. I love the device apart from the 3 dot menu bar which is doing my head in and am confident in my ability to remove it but am worried about my safety net if something goes wrong. Please somebody enlighten me as to what I am and are not able to do. Thanks in advance.
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You have options. Firstly S-Off is not likely to come soon if at all. HTC made it such a pig to crack, the entire year I had my One X it was never (to my knowledge) posted here how to do it. But it's not really that necessary. S-Off just adds convenience for flashing kernels in recovery at the same time as a ROM. With S-on you just have to accept that a bit more faff is required using fastboot to change a kernel.
(Side note: I have not had my device arrive yet so I am staying out of the development threads. I heard a rumour you can have a flashable kernel for this phone with S-On. Anyone know if this is true?)
Once a custom recovery is on, take a backup of your stock ROM. That way if you ever really wanted to go back for an official OTA update, you could restore the backup, flash back the stock recovery and relock the bootloader. Not sure why you'd want to go this route though.
Being on XDA and knowing how to do this stuff means you can get all the features an official update will bring you, usually months before any carrier will be providing it. You'll just be going through all this extra work to get an update that has been in the custom ROMs for ages.
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You have options. Firstly S-Off is not likely to come soon if at all. HTC made it such a pig to crack, the entire year I had my One X it was never (to my knowledge) posted here how to do it. But it's not really that necessary. S-Off just adds convenience for flashing kernels in recovery at the same time as a ROM. With S-on you just have to accept that a bit more faff is required using fastboot to change a kernel.
(Side note: I have not had my device arrive yet so I am staying out of the development threads. I heard a rumour you can have a flashable kernel for this phone with S-On. Anyone know if this is true?)
Once a custom recovery is on, take a backup of your stock ROM. That way if you ever really wanted to go back for an official OTA update, you could restore the backup, flash back the stock recovery and relock the bootloader. Not sure why you'd want to go this route though.
Being on XDA and knowing how to do this stuff means you can get all the features an official update will bring you, usually months before any carrier will be providing it. You'll just be going through all this extra work to get an update that has been in the custom ROMs for ages.
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Thanks for your answer. As I said, I am not quite a noob :silly:. The reason I am looking to go back to stock at a later date is that I believe (rightly or wrongly you tell me) that to update firmware in it's entirety, it is necessary to use an official update from the provider.
If I back up my official stock rom after I root, are you absolutely sure that when restoring this backup, I will be able to receive official ota updates? It is not that I don't believe you, just want to be 100% sure.
Edit Perhaps we are more likely to get s-off now that we are on Quallcom not Tegra?
S-off together with super cid would give us the ability to use any RUU for this device which gives us an excellent safety net.
bobsie41 said:
Thanks for your answer. As I said, I am not quite a noob :silly:. The reason I am looking to go back to stock at a later date is that I believe (rightly or wrongly you tell me) that to update firmware in it's entirety, it is necessary to use an official update from the provider.
If I back up my official stock rom after I root, are you absolutely sure that when restoring this backup, I will be able to receive official ota updates? It is not that I don't believe you, just want to be 100% sure.
Edit Perhaps we are more likely to get s-off now that we are on Quallcom not Tegra?
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It's ok. It's always best to be sure before attempting something!
You will not loose out on anything by not using an official update. All it will be is the stock firmware with T-Mobile's add touches. More often than improvements to the stock firmware, carries tend to restrict the features of a ROM and add bloatware (like game demos you can't uninstall) because they have made a deal with a game developer to make some money forcing them upon you.
Even without a nandroid backup you'll still be able to download and flash the stock firmware somewhere here. Basically anything you do to your phone you will be able to undo if you so choose. The only exception to this is that if you re-lock your bootloader, HTC will still be able to tell that it was at some point unlocked if you wanted a warranty return.
Yeah, as long as the stock bootloader is available, you just need to flash it after restoring the backup, and the updates should arrive.
The firmware might be flashable without the RUU or OTA, it was on the One X, but it was necessary to relock the bootloader.
I say go for it, mike1986 has the stock ROM in the dev section as well as his stock like improved ROM.
as far as I'm aware, the only way to root the HTC one is via unlocking the bootloader, which then prevents the phone from receiving OTA updates, is it possible to root the HTC one without opting out of these updates?
Thanks, LordTumnas
(if there is a similar thread to this, i apologize, i was unable to find it)
I'm not sure about all versions, but I have the Developer Edition that came unlocked and I get OTA updates. I think it is more about CID, MID, and stock OS & recovery.
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I'm not sure about all versions, but I have the Developer Edition that came unlocked and I get OTA updates. I think it is more about CID, MID, and stock OS & recovery.
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im not sure what version i have... its through Telstra in australia (32GB silver)...
A good place to start is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2228274
The key is to make sure you are confident you can get back to stock recovery and perhaps locked bootloader (depending on model) before you take the plunge. That way you can get back to a fully stock device.
LordTumnas said:
as far as I'm aware, the only way to root the HTC one is via unlocking the bootloader, which then prevents the phone from receiving OTA updates, is it possible to root the HTC one without opting out of these updates?
Thanks, LordTumnas
(if there is a similar thread to this, i apologize, i was unable to find it)
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Use revone to s-off and unlock then install cwm recovery, install supersu from recovery, install stock recovery. With supersu you can temp unroot for otas.
LordTumnas said:
as far as I'm aware, the only way to root the HTC one is via unlocking the bootloader, which then prevents the phone from receiving OTA updates, is it possible to root the HTC one without opting out of these updates?
Thanks, LordTumnas
(if there is a similar thread to this, i apologize, i was unable to find it)
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This doesn't answer your question, but usually somebody posts a zip for a stock, rooted ROM within a couple days of OTA.
Just root, unlock, and install a custom rom already.
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I've been searching the threads, and didn't find one for an answer to my question, so I've decided to try here. I have the dev edition, S-OFF, unlocked, rooted, with stock recovery and stock 1.29.1540.17 rom. My question is, when the OTA's roll out, will my phone receive it, and be able to update it? If not, what do I need to do for this to happen? In other words, what are the requirements to successfully receive and update via OTA? I've updated a few times and gone back to stock (which, for me is 1.29.1540.16), and every time, with s-off, unlock and root, the OTA update always came to update to .17, so I'm inclined to think that I would receive any others as well. I guess I just would maybe like my assumptions seconded to ease my mind, lol? In any case, any help would be appreciated.
-Mike
kibmikey1 said:
I've been searching the threads, and didn't find one for an answer to my question, so I've decided to try here. I have the dev edition, S-OFF, unlocked, rooted, with stock recovery and stock 1.29.1540.17 rom. My question is, when the OTA's roll out, will my phone receive it, and be able to update it? If not, what do I need to do for this to happen? In other words, what are the requirements to successfully receive and update via OTA? I've updated a few times and gone back to stock (which, for me is 1.29.1540.16), and every time, with s-off, unlock and root, the OTA update always came to update to .17, so I'm inclined to think that I would receive any others as well. I guess I just would maybe like my assumptions seconded to ease my mind, lol? In any case, any help would be appreciated.
-Mike
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Not exactly sure, but I thought you also needed to have the bootloader locked (or relocked) and no root (has to be odexed stock rom, so root wouldnt be included).
But, as I said, I'm not 100% sure.
Hope someone can add more info, as I am also interested.
Just gonna add my input here.
I'm more than 90% sure that if you have S-Off, you can flash the OTA using rebootRUU (downloading the OTA, connecting your phone to the computer, extracting the firmware.zip and flashing using fastboot oem rebootRUU, then fastboot flash zip firmware.zip) provided you're running some version of the previous firmware with a locked bootloader.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this.
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xeyesofthousandx said:
Just gonna add my input here.
I'm more than 90% sure that if you have S-Off, you can flash the OTA using rebootRUU (downloading the OTA, connecting your phone to the computer, extracting the firmware.zip and flashing using fastboot oem rebootRUU, then fastboot flash zip firmware.zip) provided you're running some version of the previous firmware with a locked bootloader.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this.
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Two things:
1- how do you get the OTA if you're not 100% stock? It wont download unless your phone is "recognized" to be stock and locked/relocked
2- if it is an official OTA, then the firmware would be signed anyway, so you dont need s-off. if you are s-off then you can flash ANY firmware from any MID & CID found on the various threads here (that's how I was able to update). Otherwise you CID and MID have to match a signed firmware
nkk71 said:
Two things:
1- how do you get the OTA if you're not 100% stock? It wont download unless your phone is "recognized" to be stock and locked/relocked
2- if it is an official OTA, then the firmware would be signed anyway, so you dont need s-off. if you are s-off then you can flash ANY firmware from any MID & CID found on the various threads here (that's how I was able to update). Otherwise you CID and MID have to match a signed firmware
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The dev edition comes factory shipped bootloader unlocked. So, really the only changes I made to the phone are s-off and root. Could that be why I received my OTA? Perhaps my specific update takes that into account?
kibmikey1 said:
The dev edition comes factory shipped bootloader unlocked. So, really the only changes I made to the phone are s-off and root. Could that be why I received my OTA? Perhaps my specific update takes that into account?
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OTAs will be fine, you might lose root, but putting it back is easy enough, same procedure as before.
I think you can keep S-off and unlocked bootloader. You need stock recovery though.
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OTAs will be fine, you might lose root, but putting it back is easy enough, same procedure as before.
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This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. I also have stock recovery as well. Thanks for the reassurance!
I have an xt1053 with unlocked bootloader, root, and TWRP. When Lollipop is released for moto x, will I lose all that and have to unlock again? What are the risks of updating?
Maybe, probably, who knows. I make it a point to never accept OTAs. Within a day or two devs will capture it, work it over, and release a version that is safe to flash. Just be patient one it's released.
OTA will always break root so you have to re-root. It does not relock your bootloader so you don't have to re-unlock.
If you have an unlocked bootloader there's usually no reason to avoid OTA. only those who have root with locked bootloader avoid OTAs since they risk not getting back root. Unlocked means you can flash custom recovery which means you can get root back.
BUT: You should always revert to stock recovery before taking OTA. doing it while carrying custom recovery will at the very least result in failed OTA, or worse.... So just revert to stock, take ota and thereby losing root, flash custom recover, flash superSU and have root back.
* So obviously this means you shouldn't take OTA unless you have the appropriate stock recovery on hand to flash back to stock.
xt5300 is an HP Pavilion Notebook PC. I think you mean xt1053.
dtg7 said:
xt5300 is an HP Pavilion Notebook PC. I think you mean xt1053.
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Doh! That's what happens when I don't get sleep. Edited to fix. Ty