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Hi all!!!
I'm considering to buy the Moto X, I have a couple if questions though:
If I unlock the bootloader through Motorola, does root become easier (I realize that it isn't simple otherwise)
Is the bootloader relockable?
If I unlock a brand new phone, I won't lose anything, correct? You only lose what you install other than stock, is that correct?
Thanx all in advance...
shaya4207 said:
Hi all!!!
I'm considering to buy the Moto X, I have a couple if questions though:
If I unlock the bootloader through Motorola, does root become easier (I realize that it isn't simple otherwise)
Is the bootloader relockable?
If I unlock a brand new phone, I won't lose anything, correct? You only lose what you install other than stock, is that correct?
Thanx all in advance...
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1. Yes if you unlock all you have to do is flash a custom recovery and supersu. Pwnmymoto is pretty easy too, though.
2. Yes but I don't think that will give you back your warranty
3. Unlocking will basically do a factory reset in the device. So if it's brand new and you haven't used it yet you won't lose anything. But if it's already set up and being used be sure to save anything important before you unlock.
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Thanx!!! Isn't there an issue with PwnMyMoto with the camera update? Also it's safe to assume that once rooted WiFi tethering (like with FoxFi) will work, correct?
shaya4207 said:
Thanx!!! Isn't there an issue with PwnMyMoto with the camera update? Also it's safe to assume that once rooted WiFi tethering (like with FoxFi) will work, correct?
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i would suggest replying to someone if you want them to respond to you otherwise it won't show up in their notifications if they aren't subscribed to the thread.
PwnMyMoto didn't screw up the camera update. It was built for the android OS that came stock on the phone. Maintaining root through the OTA/ camera update is difficult currently. But that is partly because all of the info on the updates haven't been released yet. As time goes on and things develop and those smarter than me decide to get things done we should be able to maintain root through the update and future updates with no problems. Also, safestrap was recently released and is working through bugs but it will be fully functional soon and we will be able to use roms through them and not take the updates.
wifi tethering only matters on vza at least if you have unlimited data. Otherwise, they don't charge to wifi tether anymore. you just can't go above your data limit. But yes, rooting allow those 3rd party tethering apps to work. They may even work without root actually. But with root you can change the stock tethering app and keep your carrier from knowing you are tethering.
@jayboyyyy Thanx!!!
Hello there.
so I'm plannin on getting moto x from verizon and have a few questions.
So I can root my moto x using this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45598679
but what do I do after? Install SuperSU? CWM app? How do I get recovery menu and what's the purpose?
Sorry for so many question, I've been reading a lot and its a ton of information. So if anyone could simply explain it to me, that would be great.
thnx in advance.
Rooting your phone just lets you do what you want with your phone whether it's tethering and using hotspot for free or changing the theme, if you don't want to do any of that then you don't even need to root, for a beginner I wouldn't root your phone until you want to do something that requires root
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I'd say if you don't know then you don't need it right now. Play around with your phone and get to know it. Feel her out. You'll find some things you want to change, or get rid of. When you get to that point, then you'll need root.
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I've been using android in the past for a short period of time, but I guess that doesnt count. So I want to root my future moto x for example, I want to get rid of those Verizon stock apps, cuz I wont be using those. And like to freeze the OTA updates. And just explore what I can do wit it, since its an open source OS.
Cwm recovery on the Verizon moto x is not available because the bootloader isn't unlocked unless you get dev edition, but root is available with PwnMyMoto and you can use xposed modules to change toggles, notification bar layout and nav bar height etc. If you use that root method and want to return to stock make sure you get familiar with RSDlite and fastboot. IMHO the stock ROM layout is already near perfect so besides some xposed stuff and freezing apps via Tbu there's not much more that really needs to be done to this phone, I think you'll be very happy with it as is. Active notifications, touchless controls, Motorola connect etc are awesome. Let us know how you like it when you receive it!
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Cwm recovery on the Verizon moto x is not available because the bootloader isn't unlocked unless you get dev edition, but root is available with PwnMyMoto and you can use xposed modules to change toggles, notification bar layout and nav bar height etc. If you use that root method and want to return to stock make sure you get familiar with RSDlite and fastboot. IMHO the stock ROM layout is already near perfect so besides some xposed stuff and freezing apps via Tbu there's not much more that really needs to be done to this phone, I think you'll be very happy with it as is. Active notifications, touchless controls, Motorola connect etc are awesome. Let us know how you like it when you receive it!
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Thnx for solid reply. So to my understanding, in order to use TBU I need to root first, right? And Since cwm recovery is no available due to locked bootloader I wont be able to flash custom roms, if there are any? Not saying I want to, just want to know =) Any other option of recovery?
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Thnx for solid reply. So to my understanding, in order to use TBU I need to root first, right? And Since cwm recovery is no available due to locked bootloader I wont be able to flash custom roms, if there are any? Not saying I want to, just want to know =) Any other option of recovery?
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yes thats right tibu does need root since your looking to freeze/uninstall system apps. And as far as recoveries, there is a workaround called safestrap which is based off of TWRP that uses "rom slots" Im not entirely sure how it works though, probably someone more knowledgeable about that can chime in.
I was just Google searching hoping for some good news... And came across this posted yesterday...
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/Root-Moto-X-KitKat
... Any truth to that? And is it for any carrier, i.e att?
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Links to a thread on here.
Yea I saw that, but they are not the same...
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They want you to dl this http://www.cydiaimpactor.com/
Anyone know what it is?
Maybe it works for root....but write protection will be enabled. So all root changes will be lost on reboot or power down.
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kj2112 said:
Maybe it works for root....but write protection will be enabled. So all root changes will be lost on reboot or power down.
Sent from my N5, N7, Moto X, G Tab 3 or S2.....
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So here's my "dumb" question? Would apps like Greenify and Ti backup still possibly work since they just need root permissions, where as Xposed and other apps that need a reboot would be basically worthless?
jbaumert said:
So here's my "dumb" question? Would apps like Greenify and Ti backup still possibly work since they just need root permissions, where as Xposed and other apps that need a reboot would be basically worthless?
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There's other threads where this stuff gets talked about, but im pretty sure for things like that it would probably work. But any actual changes to anything would get reversed.
I've always been unlocked....so I don't have firsthand experience though.
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I'm not too sure about that root method.
Step 11 tells you to downgrade the Bootloader (MOTOBOOT.IMG) and GPT.BIN which is part of the security stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those the main components involved with bricking when trying to downgrade from 4.4.2 to 4.4 and lower?
But again, with a locked bootloader, as @kj2112 said, Write Protection will still be enabled.
KidJoe said:
I'm not too sure about that root method.
Step 11 tells you to downgrade the Bootloader (MOTOBOOT.IMG) and GPT.BIN which is part of the security stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those the main components involved with bricking when trying to downgrade from 4.4.2 to 4.4 and lower?
But again, with a locked bootloader, as @kj2112 said, Write Protection will still be enabled.
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I've been a bit confused by allusions to rooting without write protection. Everyone says similar stuff to what you guys have said--well, without write protection disabled you'll lose root on reboot. I'd be okay with that, just avoid rebooting my phone and using stuff that requires a reboot to take effect. The only thing I really want root for is to see my partial wakelocks to be able to properly troubleshoot battery issues. I really like the stock Moto X ux. If I could, I'd probably use some Xposed modules too, but all I really really want is to get better insight into my wakelock situation. Elsewhere, though, I read that root is totally impossible on 4.4.2, unless you have an unlocked bootloader (which I obviously don't). So, is it possible to get root, even if it doesn't survive a soft reset?
Jumnhy said:
I've been a bit confused by allusions to rooting without write protection. Everyone says similar stuff to what you guys have said--well, without write protection disabled you'll lose root on reboot. I'd be okay with that, just avoid rebooting my phone and using stuff that requires a reboot to take effect. The only thing I really want root for is to see my partial wakelocks to be able to properly troubleshoot battery issues. I really like the stock Moto X ux. If I could, I'd probably use some Xposed modules too, but all I really really want is to get better insight into my wakelock situation. Elsewhere, though, I read that root is totally impossible on 4.4.2, unless you have an unlocked bootloader (which I obviously don't). So, is it possible to get root, even if it doesn't survive a soft reset?
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Please see my response to you in the 4.2.2 to 4.4.2 thread.
kj2112 said:
Please see my response to you in the 4.2.2 to 4.4.2 thread.
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Thanks, didn't realize until afterward it was the same voice in both threads.
Jumnhy said:
I've been a bit confused by allusions to rooting without write protection. Everyone says similar stuff to what you guys have said--well, without write protection disabled you'll lose root on reboot. I'd be okay with that, just avoid rebooting my phone and using stuff that requires a reboot to take effect. The only thing I really want root for is to see my partial wakelocks to be able to properly troubleshoot battery issues. I really like the stock Moto X ux. If I could, I'd probably use some Xposed modules too, but all I really really want is to get better insight into my wakelock situation. Elsewhere, though, I read that root is totally impossible on 4.4.2, unless you have an unlocked bootloader (which I obviously don't). So, is it possible to get root, even if it doesn't survive a soft reset?
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take a read of -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-LockedRoot.html
Root itself is not lost on reboot, only changes done to the /system folder and other protected places.
But yes, if you already have 4.4.2 on your phone, and can't unlock your bootloader, you won't be able to root.
Jumnhy said:
Thanks, didn't realize until afterward it was the same voice in both threads.
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Where you found another same threads ?
DANIEL AMBRUSO said:
Where you found another same threads ?
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It was just kj2112 explaining a similar issue to me. Check it out, but essentially my understanding is that there's no root for 4.4.2 if the phone never had root previously (ie, if you naively took the OTA like me without thnking about implications for root.
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KidJoe said:
take a read of -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-LockedRoot.html
Root itself is not lost on reboot, only changes done to the /system folder and other protected places.
But yes, if you already have 4.4.2 on your phone, and can't unlock your bootloader, you won't be able to root.
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Solid, thanks for the concise summary. I'd read jcase's posts a while back about a potential exploit--something about using it in a teaching session at BlackHat? He even says though, that the exploit he has will probably never be useful for the average user insofar as it would be too hard to implement and n00bz like myself would end up bricking our phones. So I'm not holding my breath on that one. Ugh. Sad I missed the window for the Chinese connection. Should have jumped on it.
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Links to a thread on here.
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Works with 4.4 and post-camera 4.2.2, but if you take the OTA to 4.-4-.2 it upgrades your bootloader and you lose the ability to turn write protection off ; root is pretty much useless at that point.
I have the Republic Wireless XT1049 and did the upgrade shown here and have 4.4.2 with write protect off.
Do not attempt this if you are already running 4.4.2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your bootloader is already changed and you run a big risk of bricking if you try to downgrade to the 4.2.2 bootloader!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...ireless-moto-x-kitkat-4-t2738233/post52348028
As usual, read the instructions carefully.
Then read through the posts! Different rooters had different issues!
AFAIK no one bricked though.
glarepate said:
Works with 4.4 and post-camera 4.2.2, but if you take the OTA to 4.-4-.2 it upgrades your bootloader and you lose the ability to turn write protection off ; root is pretty much useless at that point.
I have the Republic Wireless XT1049 and did the upgrade shown here and have 4.4.2 with write protect off.
Do not attempt this if you are already running 4.4.2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your bootloader is already changed and you run a big risk of bricking if you try to downgrade to the 4.2.2 bootloader!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...ireless-moto-x-kitkat-4-t2738233/post52348028
As usual, read the instructions carefully.
Then read through the posts! Different rooters had different issues!
AFAIK no one bricked though.
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The steps in the thread you link to are how to use use 4.4.2 via Safestrap, which does add a layer of complexity. It is the only option to take 4.4.2 IF you have a locked bootloader and are rooted and write protection disabled. And many do have good luck with it, so it is an option IF your phone is still on 4.4.
If I understand correctly, each safestrap rom is unique for the carrier.. in other words, you can't use the Republic Wireless SS rom if you are on Verizon. You can't use the Verizon SS rom if you are on ATT, etc. (for example, they were waiting on the ATT 4.4.2 SBF to create a SS Rom for the ATT X).
KidJoe said:
The steps in the thread you link to are how to use use 4.4.2 via Safestrap, which does add a layer of complexity. It is the only option to take 4.4.2 IF you have a locked bootloader and are rooted and write protection disabled. And many do have good luck with it, so it is an option IF your phone is still on 4.4.
If I understand correctly, each safestrap rom is unique for the carrier.. in other words, you can't use the Republic Wireless SS rom if you are on Verizon. You can't use the Verizon SS rom if you are on ATT, etc. (for example, they were waiting on the ATT 4.4.2 SBF to create a SS Rom for the ATT X).
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Yes, if you have already gone to 4.4.2 you are out of luck.
I'm using the T-Mobile SafeStrap Recovery with my RW Moto X. This was done by a Franken-ROM process that uses the 4.4.2 ROM without using the 4.4.2 bootloader and using the SS recovery to flash a zip file with some components of the 4.4.2 ROM and then flashing SuperSU. Whether or not it should be working, it is. Nothing I can, or want to, do about that.
But I am sure you are right that this resultant ROM would not work on phones from other carriers. Versions for other carriers are being developed though. It may simply be a matter of time and interest by motivated individuals until this is available for just about everyone.
if i update my moto x dev edition will it break foxfi. i see they just updated to 4.4 but im scared to do it hate having to use the bluetooth connection.
trinniboy68 said:
if i update my moto x dev edition will it break foxfi. i see they just updated to 4.4 but im scared to do it hate having to use the bluetooth connection.
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Since you have the developer edition, are you rooted? If so, why not use the stock framework tether? You can use the Xposed module, or the Entitlement Check remover.
Also, if you are rooted, you can use the latest experimental build of WiFi Tether for Root Users.
Is there a specific reason you are wanting to use FoxFi? The only reason I can imagine is that you are not rooted.....but if you aren't rooted, why did you get the Developer Edition?
@trinniboy68,
I agree with @samwathegreat. If you have a Dev Edition, why not unlock your bootloader and root? It doesn't void your warranty on the Dev Edition. And its pretty easy on the Dev Edition.
If you root, and all you want to do is Tether, then to make taking future OTA's easier, I suggest using Wifi Tether For Root app (See my notes about setup at the bootom of THIS PAGE. )
Another option is [APP][MOD][Root]Hotspot Entitlement Bypass v1.1 5/9/2014, but it does make changes to the build.prop, and while it undoes them, I haven't tested to see if it changes the checksum of the build.prop when it reverts its changes(if it does, that would get in the way of future OTA's)
moto x
KidJoe said:
@trinniboy68,
I agree with @samwathegreat. If you have a Dev Edition, why not unlock your bootloader and root? It doesn't void your warranty on the Dev Edition. And its pretty easy on the Dev Edition.
If you root, and all you want to do is Tether, then to make taking future OTA's easier, I suggest using Wifi Tether For Root app (See my notes about setup at the bootom of THIS PAGE. )
Another option is [APP][MOD][Root]Hotspot Entitlement Bypass v1.1 5/9/2014, but it does make changes to the build.prop, and while it undoes them, I haven't tested to see if it changes the checksum of the build.prop when it reverts its changes(if it does, that would get in the way of future OTA's)
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i have an unlocked bootloader. havent rooted yet cause i like the features of the moto are there roms that will dupl. the stock moto. i have verizon unlimited internet so need the ability to wifi link to my computer. as i am on the road a lot and its more secure to use my own wifi than someone elses. having a mac there arent any hacks for my phone, the one i did find the dev. isnt supporting it yet and bricking my phone i cant take right now as im fairly new to this. i rooted my s3
trinniboy68 said:
i have an unlocked bootloader. havent rooted yet cause i like the features of the moto are there roms that will dupl. the stock moto. i have verizon unlimited internet so need the ability to wifi link to my computer. as i am on the road a lot and its more secure to use my own wifi than someone elses. having a mac there arent any hacks for my phone, the one i did find the dev. isnt supporting it yet and bricking my phone i cant take right now as im fairly new to this. i rooted my s3
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No 'hacks' for your phone? The entire android SDK is available for MAC. We have several users here who have flashed their phones 100% with MAC.
If you download the MAC Toolkit, it includes everything you need, even though it isn't supported by its devs anymore. You just won't use any of the scripts (that's all that no longer supported). Also, since you have the DEV edition, you WON'T lose your warranty by rooting it. It's HIGHLY unlikely you will brick your phone unless you do something totally stupid that is well documented here (like: you NEVER downgrade or flash older firmwares/versions on your Moto X - this is one of the few ways you can brick it).
Since you have already unlocked the BL, all you would do is fastboot flash TWRP recovery, and it will root for you. Then you can use either method that @KidJoe and I have suggested for you. There honestly isn't much at all you can mess up.
Additionally, once you install TWRP, you can take a full backup that you could restore in the event of a problem. PLUS the SBF images are available, so even without a backup your phone could still be restored back to stock.
trinniboy68 said:
i have an unlocked bootloader. havent rooted yet cause i like the features of the moto are there roms that will dupl. the stock moto. i have verizon unlimited internet so need the ability to wifi link to my computer. as i am on the road a lot and its more secure to use my own wifi than someone elses. having a mac there arent any hacks for my phone, the one i did find the dev. isnt supporting it yet and bricking my phone i cant take right now as im fairly new to this. i rooted my s3
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Some of these sentences run together, so If I miss anything, I'm sorry.
Rooting wont remove any features of the stock Moto roms. As far as "other roms" duplicating stock, I haven't run anything but the stock rom. While there are "alternates" (like CM) if they are NOT based on stock, they will not have the Moto specific features like active display, always on listening (OK google now....), etc.
I have unlimited data too. I purchased the Dev X since I was going to have to buy an X at full retail because I wanted to keep my Unlimited (and be able to root without waiting on vulnerabilities/exploits).
All I've done is unlocked the bootloader, to root I just flashed TWRP recovery, and installed SuperSU (see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/step-step-instructions-unlocking-t2649738 although the TWRP and SuperSU versions linked are a little out of date now, they still work on 4.4 and 4.4.2). Then I use Wifi Tether for Root as mentioned earlier, greenify, Root Explorer, Quick Boot (reboot), Adree and not really much else that needs root, and no extra tweaks/hacks. In other words, I run stock, but rooted, with a few apps that need ROOT access, and nothing else modified on my phone.
The tools to flash the stock SBF files are RSDLite and mFastboot. Rsdlite is a GUI tool that flashes the full SBF/XML file, all commands, in like a batch mode. mFastboot is a command line tool that allows you to flash parts/pieces one at a time. I don't know if there is an RSDlite for Mac OS, but there is an mFastboot. So if you mess your phone up badly enough, you can usually recover with the stock images. (the only note being DO NOT DOWNGRADE your ROM!! for more see -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Downgrade.htm )
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KidJoe said:
Some of these sentences run together, so If I miss anything, I'm sorry.
Rooting wont remove any features of the stock Moto roms. As far as "other roms" duplicating stock, I haven't run anything but the stock rom. While there are "alternates" (like CM) if they are NOT based on stock, they will not have the Moto specific features like active display, always on listening (OK google now....), etc.
I have unlimited data too. I purchased the Dev X since I was going to have to buy an X at full retail because I wanted to keep my Unlimited (and be able to root without waiting on vulnerabilities/exploits).
All I've done is unlocked the bootloader, to root I just flashed TWRP recovery, and installed SuperSU (see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/step-step-instructions-unlocking-t2649738 although the TWRP and SuperSU versions linked are a little out of date now, they still work on 4.4 and 4.4.2). Then I use Wifi Tether for Root as mentioned earlier, greenify, Root Explorer, Quick Boot (reboot), Adree and not really much else that needs root, and no extra tweaks/hacks. In other words, I run stock, but rooted, with a few apps that need ROOT access, and nothing else modified on my phone.
The tools to flash the stock SBF files are RSDLite and mFastboot. Rsdlite is a GUI tool that flashes the full SBF/XML file, all commands, in like a batch mode. mFastboot is a command line tool that allows you to flash parts/pieces one at a time. I don't know if there is an RSDlite for Mac OS, but there is an mFastboot. So if you mess your phone up badly enough, you can usually recover with the stock images. (the only note being DO NOT DOWNGRADE your ROM!! for more see -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Downgrade.htm )
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thank you for the info
There are a lot of people joining xda on daily basis, and there are a lot of repetitive questions being asked which fill up Development threads. Point them here. Feel free to ask or answer questions. Idea of this thread is to get users to help other users with their problems/questions. Please do not spoon feed, but rather point in the direction where that user can find an answer and educate himself
First thing first. I strongly advise you to read THIS thread before posting ANYTHING on XDA.
Then, have a quick look at the names of threads in post no2, you might find what you need right away.
For ROM issues please do mention in your post about:
ROM name
ROM version and base
kernel version and its settings
any mods applied on top of it
flashing "style" aka dirty or clean
something like this
...and be sure you have asked before on the ROM thread unless you have less than 10 posts on XDA
Third. Even if you do get your question answered, please, do come back and read threads in post no2 (coming later as soon as we start getting the guides) to educate yourself. You'll be surprised how much time and frustration it will save you in the future.
ASK ANY QUESTION HERE,adb, drivers, superCID etc...... You will either get an answer or will get pointed in the right direction.
No abuse towards noobs tolerated here! No question is stupid in this thread.
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Credits to @xanthrax who made the original nexus 4 thread where i got inspired! :highfive:
Great idea!!! And well needed! :good::good:
Darth said:
Great idea!!! And well needed! :good::good:
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Thanks i hope we can fill this up quickly! Just share it!
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Sorry I am a noob.
Currently i am using kitkat 4.4.4.
I wanted to know if i Root my phone will i get the lollipop update that will be officially launched for the phone ??
4yush said:
Currently i am using kitkat 4.4.4.
I wanted to know if i Root my phone will i get the lollipop update that will be officially launched for the phone ??
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yes, you will get the update. but the installation fails
I have got tired of waiting for official update and have decided to root my moto x on 4.4.4.
This is what I understood.
1 . unlock bootloader
2. Install twrp
3. Install rom.
I would want to know if I can flash BlissPop directly after the above steps.
Also can kernels be flashed directly from recovery or they have to be flashed using pc like my xperia did
4yush said:
Currently i am using kitkat 4.4.4.
I wanted to know if i Root my phone will i get the lollipop update that will be officially launched for the phone ??
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To root on 4.4.4 you need an unlocked (or unlockable) bootloader. An unlocked bootloader phone roots by flashing custom recovery.
If you try to take an OTA without stock recovery on your phone, you'll get stuck in a bootloop (fastboot earase cache will get you out of it), and can not apply an OTA. Further, if while rooted you modify /system, certain files, or other parts of the phone too much while rooted, the OTA could fail its pre-flash validation checks, thus preventing it from installing.
Then again, those who use SlapMyMoto/RockMyMoto/PwnMyMoto or other HACKS to root their phone with locked bootloader, could also run into issues with the OTA's pre-flash validation checks causing the OTA Update to fail too. However, those old processes don't work on 4.4.4 as the vulnerabilities they used are patched.
If you have an unlocked bootloader, root your phone by flashing TWRP (or CWM, etc) and installing SuperSU, then flash stock recovery back on, and run rooted with apps installed that use root, like RootExplorer, Wifi Tether for Root, Greenify, etc. You can take the OTA just fine.
Note: If you install something like Xposed, it will cause the Pre-flash vaildations to fail because it does modify things the pre-flash checks look for. You'd have to disable it, which involves having 3rd party recovery, and flashing the disable.zip (on your phone as /SDcard/Android/data/de.robv.android.xposed.installer/files/Xposed-Disable-Recovery.zip), then put stock recovery back on.
adity said:
I have got tired of waiting for official update and have decided to root my moto x on 4.4.4.
This is what I understood.
1 . unlock bootloader
2. Install twrp
3. Install rom.
I would want to know if I can flash BlissPop directly after the above steps.
Also can kernels be flashed directly from recovery or they have to be flashed using pc like my xperia did
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If BlissPop is a custom ROM then yes after all of those steps you can flash it directly, I'll suggest to make a nandroid backup before. And then to get some gapps for that ROM. And kernels can be flashed directly on recovery too! Good luck!
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Should this have to be sticky?
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Using blisspop which is based on cm12 and mobile standby is using abnormal amounts of battery(75%)
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adity said:
Using blisspop which is based on cm12 and mobile standby is using abnormal amounts of battery(75%)
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I think battery life on custom ROM is very bad compared to stock, I'm back at it because of that and for moto features.
Enviado desde mi XT1060 mediante Tapatalk
Making a bump to everyone can see this post!
Enviado desde mi XT1060 mediante Tapatalk
Moto X - No Signal?
So I got the Verizon XT1060 a couple of days back, put my SIM in and everything was working fine for a couple of days. Made a few calls, texted a bunch. Everything was good.
Never really got a chance to check how data worked since I was always on WiFi but yesterday when I tried making the mobile internet work it just wouldn't . I have a 3G connection, so I thought might as well give it a shot and started putting in the APNs in according to what my provider said. I came across a post that said you can't select just 3G for the XT1060 and you'd have to install this app called PhoneInfo(Ad) to make 3G only work.
So I installed the app. Set it to WCDMA only. And restarted the phone. Ever since then my phone has been on no-signal. Can't make calls/texts. No bars. I can read stuff on the SIM card just fine though. Today I went and got a new SIM Card hoping it'll work. But nothing. Zilch. Factory reset multiple times. Just no signal at all. In About Phone, in status information, the network shows up as unknown.
I don't exactly know what the problem is here. I talked to my provider and they said everything was fine on their end and I should check if my model is compatible. Which it is. At least for EDGE, if not for 3G. If phone was receiving signals and all before, then that definitely means it was compatible, right?
Any way. I'm based in Islamabad, Pakistan. And the phone is a Verizon XT1060 16GB. This is the only phone I have right now and I REALLY need to get this phone working asap.
I'm going to try and flash the stock image onto it. The phone was running stock VZW 4.4.4 and is not the dev edition. So I can't root.
Any suggestions or ideas are welcome.
Thank You.
NadirChaudhry said:
So I got the Verizon XT1060 a couple of days back, put my SIM in and everything was working fine for a couple of days. Made a few calls, texted a bunch. Everything was good.
Never really got a chance to check how data worked since I was always on WiFi but yesterday when I tried making the mobile internet work it just wouldn't . I have a 3G connection, so I thought might as well give it a shot and started putting in the APNs in according to what my provider said. I came across a post that said you can't select just 3G for the XT1060 and you'd have to install this app called PhoneInfo(Ad) to make 3G only work.
So I installed the app. Set it to WCDMA only. And restarted the phone. Ever since then my phone has been on no-signal. Can't make calls/texts. No bars. I can read stuff on the SIM card just fine though. Today I went and got a new SIM Card hoping it'll work. But nothing. Zilch. Factory reset multiple times. Just no signal at all. In About Phone, in status information, the network shows up as unknown.
I don't exactly know what the problem is here. I talked to my provider and they said everything was fine on their end and I should check if my model is compatible. Which it is. At least for EDGE, if not for 3G. If phone was receiving signals and all before, then that definitely means it was compatible, right?
Any way. I'm based in Islamabad, Pakistan. And the phone is a Verizon XT1060 16GB. This is the only phone I have right now and I REALLY need to get this phone working asap.
I'm going to try and flash the stock image onto it. The phone was running stock VZW 4.4.4 and is not the dev edition. So I can't root.
Any suggestions or ideas are welcome.
Thank You.
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Do you know which exactly are the bands your network uses? And I have stock ROM too and I get the 3G only option without the use of an external app. See here.
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Used Moto X What to look at.
Hello! (second post after saying hello on the corresponding post).
Please my native language is spanish so forgive my mistakes if any.
Going to the point and abusing the "ask ANY question" theme,
¿What to look in a Used Moto x?
In other words, here in Argentina phone are really expensive, and i have the chance to buy a Moto x really cheap.
Besides the obvious scraches, marks, screen details, and checking battery status and life. What else should i look? Any specific serial, date of production? any data?
Also i ad one more question.
As far as i understood with this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/one-stop-shop-how-root-moto-x-confusion-t2826159 if i have a 4.4.4 Phone all will be useless since there is no Rooting or bootunlock.
In any other cases there is some way to get root acess and also could get bootunlock (did i understood correctly?)
Also Unlocked boot would give me the chance to install a new operating system (Cyanogen mod or whatever)
Root would only give me the chance to uninstall app and so.
Thanks for all your answers!
Kind Regards!
cabe72000 said:
Besides the obvious scraches, marks, screen details, and checking battery status and life. What else should i look? Any specific serial, date of production? any data?
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I've seen no evidence that any date range or serial number range is better than another.
One thing i would look for is... If you have the option to find out what ROM and bootloader is on the phone, that is helpful.
ROM: On the phone, go App Drawer -> Settings... Make note of what is listed under System Version, Android Version, and build number.
Bootloader: check by Booting the X into Bootloader/Fastboot mode, and make note of the second line on the screen.
30.70 = original 4.2.2
30.71 = 4.2.2 OTA with camera update
30.B2 = 4.4
30.B4 = 4.4.2
30.B7 = 4.4.4
The android version and bootloader version should match, otherwise it means someone was experimenting when they were flashing, and if you buy that phone you definitely make sure you fully flash the correct SBF onto the phone to bring everything in line. (I would ask the owner to do it BEFORE you buy, so if something goes wrong while flashing, you aren't the one bricking the phone).
cabe72000 said:
As far as i understood with this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/one-stop-shop-how-root-moto-x-confusion-t2826159 if i have a 4.4.4 Phone all will be useless since there is no Rooting or bootunlock.
In any other cases there is some way to get root acess and also could get bootunlock (did i understood correctly?)
Also Unlocked boot would give me the chance to install a new operating system (Cyanogen mod or whatever)
Root would only give me the chance to uninstall app and so.
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Read further in that thread... like what I posted -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...w-root-moto-x-confusion-t2826159/post54671918
So when you get your X, try to get the unlock code from Moto's web site. Then.... If you can get the code, and unlock the bootloader, you can root and disable write protection no matter what ROM is on your phone.
Moto gives the bootloader unlock code for most 2013 X's, its only a few carriers they don't give them for.
For Example: While Moto doesn't give out the Unlock Code for the ATT XT1058, they do give out the unlock code for the XT1058 from Rogers in Canada. So if you are buying a used Rogers XT1058 you can unlock the bootloader for free. The same holds true with nearly every XT1052, XT1053, and XT1056 I've seen (moto gives the bootloader unlock code on their web site).
Another thing to keep in mind, IF you get a model from a carrier that Moto doesn't give out the bootloader unlock code for, If the phone and its bootloader are still on 4.4.2/30.B4 or below, you can use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader.
Unlocking the bootloader will allow you to flash 3rd party or custom Recoveries, Roms, parts, etc. (so CM12, etc) With a locked bootloader, you can only flash ROMS/Parts which have been digitally signed by Moto and are for your particular Phone Model and Carrier combo. (The CID comes into play).
Rooting will allow you some access and control over /system and other files that are usually inaccessible to normal users. It doesn't allow you to flash 3rd party roms and pieces,etc. If you have a LOCKED bootloader, you basically need to find and exploit a flaw or vulnerability in the phone, or its software. i.e. Hack It , if you want root. Right now, with 4.4.4 and a locked bootloader, there are no vulnerabilities which can gain root, that is why having an unlocked or unlockable bootloader is so important. For more see -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Locked.html
KidJoe said:
I've seen no evidence that any date range or serial number range is better than another.
One thing i would look for is... If you have the option to find out what ROM and bootloader is on the phone, that is helpful.
ROM: On the phone, go App Drawer -> Settings... Make note of what is listed under System Version, Android Version, and build number.
Bootloader: check by Booting the X into Bootloader/Fastboot mode, and make note of the second line on the screen.
30.70 = original 4.2.2
30.71 = 4.2.2 OTA with camera update
30.B2 = 4.4
30.B4 = 4.4.2
30.B7 = 4.4.4
The android version and bootloader version should match, otherwise it means someone was experimenting when they were flashing, and if you buy that phone you definitely make sure you fully flash the correct SBF onto the phone to bring everything in line. (I would ask the owner to do it BEFORE you buy, so if something goes wrong while flashing, you aren't the one bricking the phone).
Read further in that thread... like what I posted -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/mot...w-root-moto-x-confusion-t2826159/post54671918
So when you get your X, try to get the unlock code from Moto's web site. Then.... If you can get the code, and unlock the bootloader, you can root and disable write protection no matter what ROM is on your phone.
Moto gives the bootloader unlock code for most 2013 X's, its only a few carriers they don't give them for.
For Example: While Moto doesn't give out the Unlock Code for the ATT XT1058, they do give out the unlock code for the XT1058 from Rogers in Canada. So if you are buying a used Rogers XT1058 you can unlock the bootloader for free. The same holds true with nearly every XT1052, XT1053, and XT1056 I've seen (moto gives the bootloader unlock code on their web site).
Another thing to keep in mind, IF you get a model from a carrier that Moto doesn't give out the bootloader unlock code for, If the phone and its bootloader are still on 4.4.2/30.B4 or below, you can use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader.
Unlocking the bootloader will allow you to flash 3rd party or custom Recoveries, Roms, parts, etc. (so CM12, etc) With a locked bootloader, you can only flash ROMS/Parts which have been digitally signed by Moto and are for your particular Phone Model and Carrier combo. (The CID comes into play).
Rooting will allow you some access and control over /system and other files that are usually inaccessible to normal users. It doesn't allow you to flash 3rd party roms and pieces,etc. If you have a LOCKED bootloader, you basically need to find and exploit a flaw or vulnerability in the phone, or its software. i.e. Hack It , if you want root. Right now, with 4.4.4 and a locked bootloader, there are no vulnerabilities which can gain root, that is why having an unlocked or unlockable bootloader is so important. For more see -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Locked.html
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Thanks for your answer!!
Im sure that the actual owner knows nothing about Android, what im trying to say is that he didn't even know how to root or check software updates.
Besides that, what you answered to me is what i was looking for. On monday i have access to the phone so i will check everything you told me.
Tell you the news on Monday.
Muchas gracias!! (Thank you very much)
EDIT: Kidjoe Where do you work to have such a list of phones??? I work on Automotive industry and i drive maybe 5 o 6 cars but your's is incredibly long! hehe (sorry offtopic but i was amazed with the list )
cabe72000 said:
EDIT: Kidjoe Where do you work to have such a list of phones??? I work on Automotive industry and i drive maybe 5 o 6 cars but your's is incredibly long! hehe (sorry offtopic but i was amazed with the list )
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I've been using cell phones since 1992... There was a period in there, for personal, that I was part of a Verizon Wireless customer "focus group" known as the VerizonWireless Customer Council, so many of my PERSONAL phones were acquired that way (for free).
Long story short... I worked for one global company for just a week shy of 20 yrs. While always a field employee needing mobility to do my job, for about the last 7 or 8 years, my focus was shifted to doing a lot of work in the mobility support space. The current company I'm working for (also global), I've been a part of the Tier 3/4 Mobility Support team, supporting our network, MDM solution, etc for our employees. We also take part in the design... so I have to have all, or as many as I can, of the devices we allow our employees to have. I often times joke that my job is being paid to play with my toys
KidJoe said:
I've been using cell phones since 1992... There was a period in there, for personal, that I was part of a Verizon Wireless customer "focus group" known as the VerizonWireless Customer Council, so many of my PERSONAL phones were acquired that way (for free).
Long story short... I worked for one global company for just a week shy of 20 yrs. While always a field employee needing mobility to do my job, for about the last 7 or 8 years, my focus was shifted to doing a lot of work in the mobility support space. The current company I'm working for (also global), I've been a part of the Tier 3/4 Mobility Support team, supporting our network, MDM solution, etc for our employees. We also take part in the design... so I have to have all, or as many as I can, of the devices we allow our employees to have. I often times joke that my job is being paid to play with my toys
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My wife has forbid me to get another phone for a couple years.... Lol
Moto X, N5 and M8 in a year. Though, she's in love with the hand me down moto X... It finally got her off her iPhone 4s. So she benefited from my whims.
So I'm stuck for awhile. ?
I did find a solution to the battery problem.
Thing is google keeps data on even when wifi is connected for the handofff feature. So I make sure that I turn off data while at home.
Since then I have been having great battery life.. Even better than stock, more than 4 hours screen time