Hi my question is if I flashed the 883 radio image to my xt862 droid 3 will my phone still work on verizon as long as I do not put a gsm sim card in the phone. My phone is sim unlocked so it can work outside us with a sim but I would like for now the option of att prepaid like h2o or straight talk for $45 a month while in us and I have seen many people talking of how to flash 883 and phone works on att but nobody says if it still functions on verizon still. So I guess my main point to the question is if flash the radio image 883 will my phone still work as it does now with verizon but then if I pick up a prepaid sim card and put it in and select gsm for network it will function on the prepaid network till I remove it and then can I put the network settings back. The reason I ask it I still have 1yr and 2month till my contract is up with verizon and I would like to have the phone on att pre paid or straight talk after that to save money I love the phone but hate the cost of verizon and the data limits.
Thank you for any and all imput. Dennis
No but you can flash radios back and forth and change build.prop as needed and it seems to work.
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883 and verizon
Thank you for the quick response and it is as I feared. Lol I guess all I can do is get all the files and info I will need and wait till my contract is up b4 I do it I am stuck on verizon for another yr and 2 months then I will flash it so I can save money. Again thank you for the clarity on this
Actually, the answer is yes, the XT883 radio can be programmed with QPST using a service programming file with VZW authentication values and PRL and it functions in Global mode with full CDMA/EvDO service and can be switched via the Mobile Networks menu to GSM.
I had my D3 setup like this although it was not activated on VZW at the time.
cellzealot said:
Actually, the answer is yes, the XT883 radio can be programmed with QPST using a service programming file with VZW authentication values and PRL and it functions in Global mode with full CDMA/EvDO service and can be switched via the Mobile Networks menu to GSM.
I had my D3 setup like this although it was not activated on VZW at the time.
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I'd be very interested in doing this if you could help out with a link or something pointing that way. this is exactly what i want to do, but finding the info is proving very hard
I have a Verizon Droid 3 that is currently activated with a standard plan through Verizon, and I live in the United States.
I'm considering moving to Straight Talk, but I'm seeing a lot of conflicting information regarding whether this is even possible, and if so, whether hacking/flashing/rooting the phone is required.
My understanding is that Straight Talk offers phones on the Verizon network, so it seems that I should be able to activate my current phone without any modifications unless Verizon has done something to the phone to explicitly prevent it.
In some of the threads, I see people trying to modify the phone to enable GSM and run on the AT&T network through Straight Talk, but I'm not sure why. Is this necessary? If not, it seems like an awful lot of work to me.
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I have a Verizon Droid 3 that is currently activated with a standard plan through Verizon, and I live in the United States.
I'm considering moving to Straight Talk, but I'm seeing a lot of conflicting information regarding whether this is even possible, and if so, whether hacking/flashing/rooting the phone is required.
My understanding is that Straight Talk offers phones on the Verizon network, so it seems that I should be able to activate my current phone without any modifications unless Verizon has done something to the phone to explicitly prevent it.
In some of the threads, I see people trying to modify the phone to enable GSM and run on the AT&T network through Straight Talk, but I'm not sure why. Is this necessary? If not, it seems like an awful lot of work to me.
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Yes, the Droid 3 works on Straight Talk as long as the ESN is clean. You buy an activation code on their website and activate; Here to use Verizon's CDMA network, no phone modification required. Just choose CDMA and have your phone's MEID ready (The A0000etc number from under the battery).
If you choose to go the AT&T/T-Mobile BYOP SIM route, you have to root and change the build.prop and flash the XT883 (Chinese Milestone 3) radio to unlock US GSM networks. Verizon has an MNC ban on US GSM networks, such as AT&T and T-Mobile.
Thank you for the clear explanation and the link to the Straight Talk BYOP page.
And to add on the 883 radio, you'll have to buy a GSM unlock code. unlock4moto does pretty good.
Hi,
Currently with Big Red but will switch to "someone" once contract is up 3rd qtr next year. Most probably because of the the price and I am sick of VZ dropping back to 3G most of the time where I am.
If I get a Verizon Moto X can I later use that on TMobile. And/rather, a Verizon Moto X can be used on which carriers - all or none
much appreciated.
If it's a developer edition then "I believe" you could use it on sprint. T-Mobile is a GSM carrier and since the only option on the CDMA phones is for global GSM for international travel that you will likely not get it to work. They don't have the radios in it to work on T-mobile. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
themogul said:
Hi,
Currently with Big Red but will switch to "someone" once contract is up 3rd qtr next year. Most probably because of the the price and I am sick of VZ dropping back to 3G most of the time where I am.
If I get a Verizon Moto X can I later use that on TMobile. And/rather, a Verizon Moto X can be used on which carriers - all or none
much appreciated.
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This has been covered before yes it will. Verizon moto x is ( might be wrong) the only phone that is Sim unlocked besides T-Mobile and gsm developer edition. Tmobile Sim should work just fine.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2442735
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mawells787 said:
This has been covered before yes it will. Verizon moto x is ( might be wrong) the only phone that is Sim unlocked besides T-Mobile and gsm developer edition. Tmobile Sim should work just fine.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2442735
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I put a prepaid T-Mobile sim into my Dev Verizon Moto X, and I get good LTE speeds.
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I put a prepaid T-Mobile sim into my Dev Verizon Moto X, and I get good LTE speeds.
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Just seconding that I put a T-Mobile SIM in to my VZW dev edition Moto X (4.4), and it was SIM unlocked as expected, but also had good LTE signal, indicating that Band 4 is definitely enabled on these phones, contrary to published specs. Good news!
Can you make phone calls and send text messages with a T-Mo SIM in a VZW phone? Seems as if a CDMA phone would not work on a GSM network for calls and texts.
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Can you make phone calls and send text messages with a T-Mo SIM in a VZW phone? Seems as if a CDMA phone would not work on a GSM network for calls and texts.
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Yes. I haven't done it with the Moto X yet, but I did it without issue previously with both the Verizon S4 and LG G2. It's part of an FCC agreement when Verizon got LTE. It's basically GSM unlocked. Data, text, and calls work.
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Can you make phone calls and send text messages with a T-Mo SIM in a VZW phone? Seems as if a CDMA phone would not work on a GSM network for calls and texts.
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Most Verizon LTE phones have a GSM radio and work on AT&T and Tmobile
I made a call to verify it works, and I received text messages from T-Mobile.
I also didn't have to add APNs, it seemed to figure them out.
Sprint won't work. Cause most of the CDMA bands and LTE bands are different.
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But I'm pretty sure T-Mobile will cause it is Sim unlocked
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If it's a developer edition then "I believe" you could use it on sprint. T-Mobile is a GSM carrier and since the only option on the CDMA phones is for global GSM for international travel that you will likely not get it to work. They don't have the radios in it to work on T-mobile. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Yes, you are wrong. It does work with either a "retail" Verizon phone, or developer edition.
The big misconception is that since Verizon uses CDMA for voice and sms, that their phones only work on CDMA. This is NOT True.
Because Verizon's 4G LTE phones are "global" they support the same GSM/GPRS/Edge bands as ATT and T-Mobile for voice and data so they can be used globally on GSM carrier networks. Another little plus is that due to the FCC rules around their 700Mhz spectrum, they are SIM unlocked, so they happen to work with ATT and T-Mobile sim inserted. Since ATT uses the same bands for HSPA and HSPA+ as they do for EDGE, you can get HSPA speeds. In areas where T-Mobile's "network modernization" has refarmed their 1900Mhz edge to HSPA, you'll get HSPA speeds. In Tmobile areas that HSPA is still over AWS, you'll fall back to Edge when trying Verizon branded devices.
Using both developer and "retail" variants of the Verizon Moto X, I have inserted my T-Mobile SIM and had it work after setting the phones to "global". I've done the same with my iPhone 5, iPhone 5S, Blackberry Z10, Q10, Nokia Lumia 928, and Samsung Galaxy S4 and Note 3. Some of the phones, like the Z10 and 928 only gave me EDGE speeds the last time I tried them. The X and S4 have given me HSPA. T-Mobile recently rolled out LTE here, as putting the T-Mo Sim in my VZW iPhne 5S last week gave me T-Mo LTE for the first time. When i get time I'll have to go back and test my other devices again to see what they do.
With recent firmware updates on my X, note 3 and Galaxy S4, I have had to manually enter T-Mobile APN settings to get them to work.
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Can you make phone calls and send text messages with a T-Mo SIM in a VZW phone? Seems as if a CDMA phone would not work on a GSM network for calls and texts.
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Yes it does work as long as the APN settings come down automatically to your phone, or you manually enter the correct APN settings.
On a side note... some have asked if you can do the same with a Sprint phone (since they are cdma based too). The answer is..I don't know for sure, but it really depends. I haven't looked into the sprint phones to know their "global roaming" capabilities, and what radios and frequencies their devices support. I guess as long as their phones support the quad band GSM frequencies and are (or can be) SIM Unlocked, then you can do the same with Sprint phones to get at least Edge speeds. HSPA and LTE would again depend on the frequencies the sprint phones support, and the target carrier network uses.
Thank you everybody!!!
This is excellent info and more importantly very good details. I am very grateful...
Time to the Moto X with orange accents now
themogul said:
Hi,
Currently with Big Red but will switch to "someone" once contract is up 3rd qtr next year. Most probably because of the the price and I am sick of VZ dropping back to 3G most of the time where I am.
If I get a Verizon Moto X can I later use that on TMobile. And/rather, a Verizon Moto X can be used on which carriers - all or none
much appreciated.
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I put a T-mobile SIM in my stock 16GB Verizon Moto x. Here is what works and doesn't.
First off, 4G works! in the South Jersey area and it is Blistering fast, I have exceeded 40MB speed test downloads twice, Several in the high 30s and I am avg in mid 20s. Uploads are averaging 20+/- . Compared to Verizon this is like comparing Fios to 1999 era dial up. the best I ever got on Verizon 4G was 14 download but average between 4 and 9 !
The Network notification switches a lot between 4G, "H" mode, whatever that is, just bars and another which I didn't catch quick enough to read ?
Battery has been amazing compared to my galaxy Nexus, I got 7.5 hours of Actual "Screen on Time" which included some GPS use and an hour of music streaming total phone up time was 34+ hours. How long it will perform like this is anyone's guess, today i got about 6.5 of Screen on time. I hope this inst a trend
Now for the bad news - Using it as a Phone. Incoming calls are fine but, making outgoing is a Pain in the A$$.
When I dial a number, (which is a hassle on this KitKat dialer) it often goes to the home screen or back to the dialer. The Call Fails. I am not sure if my dialer is buggy or its a compatibility problem. the KitKat Dialer on the Moto X is an exorcise in futility. Google are you listening? Why reinvent the wheel. All I want in my Dialer is a Number Pad! and a phone book.
When I Open dialer I see Recent calls up top, the whole middle section says all contacts and is otherwise blank, the bottom has the number pad icon, History and settings dots.
Clicking the number pad icon enlarges the bottom section, which then goes all white and removes the three icons. I have to then click the back arrow and re-click the number pad icon to bring it up the actual dialer. .
At this time I can dial. and then the call always fails on the first attempt. Sometimes it takes several attempts to go through.
When I click send on the dialer the 4G disappears and I am left with just the bars. they come back when call is done but sometimes take a few minutes to do so.
If you Kill the dialer app or swipe it away, coming back to it you will have the same issues when trying to get the number pad (two attempts) if you dont, the number pad will open on first attempt. but the calls will still fail on the first try.
I also cant use the internet when in a call, whether WiFi is on or off. Is this a T-mobile problem? I could use the net in Verizon when in a call when on 4G or WiFi
The Data is set to global mode but I have tried both the other settings. On boot up I get a warning saying the SIM is not recognized which I just swipe away.
I am also having this problem. After making a call, the music player and the phones "volume" aspects cease to work., Meaning, I get no sound out of the phone, Music, notifications alarms etc.. This happens almost every time and the only fix is a reboot
I disabled all Verizon Bloat and a lot of Moto Bloat as well This could be causing some of the bugs? But i have tested several different configurations all with the same outcomes.
Hope this helps and puts an end to the - Will it work or not questions. There seem to be a lot of Net Know it all's that flat out say a Verizon Moto x wont work with a T-Mobile SIM or some other undocumented "fact"
I have the same issues as SOMFW. Disabling LTE resolves all these problems, so it seems like it's an issue with the LTE-to-2G/3G fallback for phone calls.
When I force it into HSPA+, I have both simultaneous voice and data and no dialing issues.
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I have the same issues as SOMFW. Disabling LTE resolves all these problems, so it seems like it's an issue with the LTE-to-2G/3G fallback for phone calls.
When I force it into HSPA+, I have both simultaneous voice and data and no dialing issues.
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How did you disable 4G? or Force it into HSPA+? Is there a setting I am missing?
Somebody else mentioned Manually adding T-Mobile APN is this something you did?
On My Moto,x when using the Vz SIM there is an APN labeled Verizon that appears on its own, On the TM SIM it was blank
Also, while on the TM SIM under About Phone / Status My phone number doesn't show, On the Vz SIM it is there and the Dialer works fine. But I still get the Dialer Bug, which is, When I click the Keypad icon the bottom area goes blank and I have to hit the back button and repeat it. This only happens if I swipe the dialer out of running apps list, Force close it or haven't used it for several hours.
Any Ideas?
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How did you disable 4G? or Force it into HSPA+? Is there a setting I am missing?
Somebody else mentioned Manually adding T-Mobile APN is this something you did?
On My Moto,x when using the Vz SIM there is an APN labeled Verizon that appears on its own, On the TM SIM it was blank
Also, while on the TM SIM under About Phone / Status My phone number doesn't show, On the Vz SIM it is there and the Dialer works fine. But I still get the Dialer Bug, which is, When I click the Keypad icon the bottom area goes blank and I have to hit the back button and repeat it. This only happens if I swipe the dialer out of running apps list, Force close it or haven't used it for several hours.
Any Ideas?
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These are the steps I used to turn off LTE and enable HSPA:
1) Download/install the app LTE OnOff
2) Change Mobile Network type in Settings to LTE / GSM / UMTS
3) On LTE OnOff, hit the Three-Dot menu in the top right, and select "Select radio band"
4) Select USA Band
5) Hit the Turn Off Radio button
6) Select GSM auto (PRL) under Preferred Network Type
7) Turn On Radio
The phone should show no data for a second, then 3G, then eventually an H for HSPA will be displayed.
You can also try GSM only or WCDMA preferred if GSM auto doesn't work.
Still trying to figure out how to get LTE to play nice with it.
There is a known LTE bug that causes this issue in 4.4. Check aracanexvi's thread in the Droid Ultra section. Basically we will need to leave LTE off of you want to make calls reliably.
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Would be easier if I just shared the thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2591954
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Which one are people having better luck with, at or T-Mobile?
can you put a T-Mobile ROM for it to work as well?
Using Verizon Moto X (locked Verizon retail) on ATT should be as good as using it on Tmobile, assuming I don't need LTE ?
Thanks.
I've got a an unlocked rooted VZW DE. I'm going to Europe. Is the phone SIM unlocked ?? Can I just insert a European sim card ?
IOW, does an unlocked bootloader also unlock the sim card ? Or do I have to spend an hour talking to Verizon?
Thanks,
sean
After talking with VZW, they tell me the phone comes SIM inlocked! Interesting if true. I'll find out next week.
sean
Any Verizon LTE phone should automatically be sim unlocked without the bootloader being unlocked due to Block C agreements requiring Verizon to allow any compatible phone to use the network. Since LTE is basically the evolution of GSM, most (I won't say all, because there may be an exception) LTE devices have GSM capabilities. Verizon can't legally sim lock the LTE radios, so they have just stopped sim locking global phones.
tl;dr Yes, it is by default sim unlicked. Just throw in the sim and update apn settings if necessary (they may be preprogrammed). You probably won't have LTE, but HSPA (and, I assume, HSPA+) should work fine.
Edit: I just reread and realized that you had updated the post with what I just said... You can ignore this.
No. I appreciate the background. And really pleased it confirmed what Verizon said.
Is there a list someplace of the APN s for French providers? I can just imagine trying to find it out from the kiosk manager using my French!
Sean
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I think they may have that information on the provider's website. You may want/need to plan ahead to determine what carriers are there (which you probably know already) and check out their sites, or you can probably Google '[Carrier Name] apn settings' and find it that way. I've never been in a situation to change the apn settings, but I think once you insert the new sim, the setting is available under Settings > Wireless and Networks > More... > Mobile Network Settings > Access Point Names.
which one to use at any particular time?
Just voice on Verizon - no SIM.
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which one to use at any particular time?
Just voice on Verizon - no SIM.
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Looks like there are 100 other people who are just like me - don't know.
It looks like this would be possible with just a switch of APN's and checking a choice under "networks" or possibly it would auto choose the APN based on networks choice. But in practical application would it work?
I know i have switched b/w AT&T, T-Mobile, and VZW and it would recognize the network. Only network that wouldn't work for me was Sprint.
Verizon LTE phones require a Verizon SIM to work with both its CDMA network and its LTE network. If a Verizon SIM is not present in one of these devices, it won't work with either Verizon's CDMA network or its LTE network.
dualityim said:
Verizon LTE phones require a Verizon SIM to work with both its CDMA network and its LTE network. If a Verizon SIM is not present in one of these devices, it won't work with either Verizon's CDMA network or its LTE network.
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Yes, my question though is, for voice only on Verizon - without SIM just CDMA activation - Can a person have both and switch easily between them by activating the 3g data - voice via phone identification no SIM required with Verizon (pageplus) and a SIM for at&t (straighttalk or redpocket).
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Yes, my question though is, for voice only on Verizon - without SIM just CDMA activation - Can a person have both and switch easily between them by activating the 3g data - voice via phone identification no SIM required with Verizon (pageplus) and a SIM for at&t (straighttalk or redpocket).
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Ah, interesting. I hadn't thought about using a CDMA MVNO on Verizon. I know that if you are just using Verizon, CDMA activation without SIM won't work because Verizon is using the SIM to authenticate to its CDMA network on LTE-enabled phones. But for Page Plus, you may be able to manually program the CDMA activation without using a SIM? Have you manually programmed CDMA phones to work on Page Plus in the past, and if so, how does it work?
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Ah, interesting. I hadn't thought about using a CDMA MVNO on Verizon. I know that if you are just using Verizon, CDMA activation without SIM won't work because Verizon is using the SIM to authenticate to its CDMA network on LTE-enabled phones. But for Page Plus, you may be able to manually program the CDMA activation without using a SIM? Have you manually programmed CDMA phones to work on Page Plus in the past, and if so, how does it work?
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Yes, I have a Moto-G activated on pageplus. I called them up, gave the ph ID then called a Verizon activation number. Worked well.
My problem is I am on the edge where Verizon works a bit better (have to walk outside and find a reception area) at my home with AT&T not picking up except occasionally. If I had the cheap pageplus plan for Verizon (not LTE) and Redpocket or straighttalk activated on AT&T it would give me a bit of flexibility if I could do it on one phone.
I just don't know if it will work. Perhaps the Nexus 6 being a LTE device won't activate on pageplus as a 3g device.
I may just activate an AT&T MVNO SIM on data and just use hangouts and hangouts dialer. Use wi-fi at home and data SIM when about. Redpocket has a T-mobile 1 GB plan for $10/month; haven't yet tried Tmobile reception. I live in a cellular black hole.