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New to rooting scene, need help

So i've had my moto x since october, and just recently got to use a rooted phone and i really want to root my moto x, im on AT&T and i know i cant unlock the bootloader, if i unlock it so i can use any sim card on it, could i root it then? Thank you to anyone that helps

Nope. Not full, real root. Doesn't matter what you do to the phone, if you're on the 4.4.2 or higher bootloader, you can not get write protection disabled. Root yes, with towel root and/or PIE (see dev sections for those)...but wrote protection will be enabled. So changes won't survive a power reset. And you can't write to the system.
And you can't safely downgrade from 4.4.2 or higher either.

HaiMyNamesTrent said:
So i've had my moto x since october, and just recently got to use a rooted phone and i really want to root my moto x, im on AT&T and i know i cant unlock the bootloader, if i unlock it so i can use any sim card on it, could i root it then? Thank you to anyone that helps
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SIM unlocking allows you to use the SIM from another carrier in your phone.. i.e. use a T-Mobile sim in an ATT branded X. That process does require you to have a different carrier's sim so the phone will prompt you to enter the unlock code. SIM unlock codes are available from many places around the web. It has no impact on rooting.
Bootloader unlocking allows you to flash a custom recovery, 3rd party roms, etc. By virtue of being able to flash a custom recovery you can easily root your phone. There are only two places you can get a bootloader unlock code for the X... Either Motorola's web site (for many, but not ALL carriers) or the Chinese Website or Middleman (only way if Moto doesn't supply)
As @KJ has said, with a locked bootloader and 4.4.2 on your phone, you are limited. PIE to root, but can't disable write protection.
and dispite any thread you might see about downgrading to gain root and disable write protection.. DO NOT!!! you will risk bricking your phone if you have 4.4.3 or 4.4.2 on your phone and attempt to downgrade.

[Q] Republic Wireless Reality Check

I've researched a ton of threads and I think I have facts straight but would like confirmation from the community. Republic Wireless KitKat 4.4.2
I can:
1. Unlock bootloader with Sunshine.
2. Flash TWRP using mfastboot.
3. Root using TWRP
Continue using RW service
OR I can:
Perform steps 1&2 then
3. Flash the GE Rom
4. Edit to select and enable GSM
5. Install a T-Mo sim
Use T-Mo service (no LTE)
I'm a bit fuzzy still if I would need to carrier unlock somehow in the second scenario.
Has anyone successfully converted an RW phone to GSM? Am I on the right track? What have I over-simplified or overlooked?

It looks right.
Take a look at the first two posts in -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/guide-success-sim-unlock-sprint-xt1056-t2825155 for SIM/Carrier unlocking.

jherbold said:
I've researched a ton of threads and I think I have facts straight but would like confirmation from the community. Republic Wireless KitKat 4.4.2
I can:
1. Unlock bootloader with Sunshine.
2. Flash TWRP using mfastboot.
3. Root using TWRP
Continue using RW service
OR I can:
Perform steps 1&2 then
3. Flash the GE Rom
4. Edit to select and enable GSM
5. Install a T-Mo sim
Use T-Mo service (no LTE)
I'm a bit fuzzy still if I would need to carrier unlock somehow in the second scenario.
Has anyone successfully converted an RW phone to GSM? Am I on the right track? What have I over-simplified or overlooked?
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Yes.
I've been SIM unlocked for several months, courtesy of @samwathegreat as per http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/guide-success-sim-unlock-sprint-xt1056-t2825155
I started with RW Moto X XT1049. Bootloader unlocked via "China Middleman", since Sunshine was not yet available. Flashed TWRP, rooted, installed Carbon ROM. Did SIM unlock as per above. At some point I flashed the full T-Mobile 4.4.4 stock ROM, including baseband., although this was not necessary. Was successfully using T-Mobile for 2-3 months, but I found coverage to be spotty, and in particular many areas where I got only EDGE (since no band IV), so I switched to Cricket, with much better results.

Thanks KidJoe and ejlmd for your responses. Good to know this phone is not forever tied to RW and Sprint, as some on their forums insist. I was especially glad for confirmation the GSM capability is present and useable. That does not seem to be widely known outside this forum.
I face the same issues with T-Mo coverage. I actually just used them as an example. If (or when) I switch it will probably be to an AT&T MVNO.

@ejlmd on what Android version you unlock the bootloader, 4.4.2?

zlebors said:
@ejlmd on what Android version you unlock the bootloader, 4.4.2?
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Yes. Now I am on 4.4.4, but bootloader unlocked via China middleman when I was on 4.4.2.

thanks @ejlmd for the information

Just found out that I got accepted to study abroad and want to take my RW Moto X with me rather than buying a new phone. Does Sunshine work with 4.4.4? Would 3G/LTE Data work? (The LTE is 800/1800/2600 Mhz and bands 20/3/7 while 3G is 900/2100 MHz bands 8/1)
Jherbold, did you ever get your plan to work?

Sunshine does NOT work on 4.4.4.
I believe the RW XT1049 is sim LOCKED also. If so, you can't use the SIM from another carrier in the phone.

KidJoe said:
Sunshine does NOT work on 4.4.4.
I believe the RW XT1049 is sim LOCKED also. If so, you can't use the SIM from another carrier in the phone.
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Yes, it is SIM locked. Some have successfully unlocked it and installed ROMs from other carriers that worked with non-RW SIMs. But not with 4.4.4.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54338871&postcount=2
Additionally, per a post I saw from someone @ RW, if you are using the RW ROM and app it is unlikely that the foreign SIM will be able to work even if you were SIM unlocked due to the way the SIP/VOIP implementation works; the SIM is only used to access the LTE data network.

glarepate said:
Yes, it is SIM locked. Some have successfully unlocked it and installed ROMs from other carriers that worked with non-RW SIMs. But not with 4.4.4.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54338871&postcount=2
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Yes, but if you read that thread, RW users must first flash the Sprint SBF, and that requires the phone to be bootloader unlocked.
Republic Wireless phones are bootloader LOCKED, Moto doesn't give out the unlock code for RW, the China Middleman has been gone for sometime, and Sunshine doesn't work on 4.4.4, so the bootloader can't be unlocked, hence I didn't suggest following that thread to SIM unlock when khabibul35 asked, (but I did in Post #2 of this thread when replying to the OP because there were options to unlock the bootloader back then).
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Additionally, per a post I saw from someone @ RW, if you are using the RW ROM and app it is unlikely that the foreign SIM will be able to work even if you were SIM unlocked due to the way the SIP/VOIP implementation works; the SIM is only used to access the LTE data network.
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Well, "someone @ RW" might be telling you how it works on THEIR network... They usually wont help you getting THEIR PHONES working on SOMEONE ELSE's service.
Example: Verizon, primarily uses CDMA/EVDO for Voice, SMS/MMS and 3G data, and SIM for LTE. Verizon's Support will admit that their phone is SIM unlocked, and can be used for Global GSM roaming, yet they will tell you it wont work on domestic (USA) carriers. But it does. Many users, including myself, have put non-Verizon GSM SIM in our XT1060, and they work just fine. (in my case I've put T-Mobile and ATT sims in).
Until you SIM unlock the Sprint XT1056, it wont work on non-Sprint GSM providers, hence the excitement in that thread. Many Non-Sprint customers are using XT1056's that have been SIM unlocked now, that Sprint says can't be used on another carriers SIM. If you read that thread, there are those with RW doing the same thing (if they were able to unlock their bootloader, and follow that process)

[Q] AT&T XT1058 can i flash it to a generic rom?

Hi, I got an AT&T XT1058 from ebay. I'm in teh UK so I'd really like to flash it with a stock UK ROM. I've had a look on here and with the huge amount of info I can't figure out if this is possible and which rom to use. it's 4.4.2 that's on the phone at teh moment which i believe can't be downgraded or unlocked easily, is that right?
any help would be greatly appreciated
cheers

To flash any Rom besides the Stock, Signed Moto ROM for your carrier and model X, you need to unlock the bootloader.
While Moto doesn't give out the Bootloader Unlock Code for the ATT USA XT1058, since you have 4.4.2 on it still, you should be able to use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader. (NOTE: please boot into fastboot/bootloader on the phone, and verify the version on the 2nd line is 30.B4 which is correct for 4.4.2).
Once you use sunshine, you can flash 3rd party recoveries, roms, etc.
While I have NOT done it, I've seen posts of ATT US Xt1058 owners flashing with Parts of the XT1053 rom to remove bloat, etc. (flashing the modems will likely change which wireless bands the phone can connect to). I do not advise flashing another carrier's rom. It could get messy, especially around UPDATE time. And I've seen some lose Cellular and WIFI flashing the wrong modem files.
One final thing. The ATT US XT1058 is SIM/Carrier locked too. So in order to use a non-ATT SIM in it you'll need to obtain a SIM unlock code. You should be able to get this from any web site selling unlock codes on the internet.

KidJoe said:
To flash any Rom besides the Stock, Signed Moto ROM for your carrier and model X, you need to unlock the bootloader.
While Moto doesn't give out the Bootloader Unlock Code for the ATT USA XT1058, since you have 4.4.2 on it still, you should be able to use Sunshine to unlock the bootloader. (NOTE: please boot into fastboot/bootloader on the phone, and verify the version on the 2nd line is 30.B4 which is correct for 4.4.2).
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hey, thanks for the very helpful response unfortunately i seem to have suffered from a bout of stupidity writing that and it's 4.4.4 that i've got on the phone! how does that affect things? also as an aside the sim is unlocked so i can use any sim so at least that's something...
thanks again

hardflipman said:
hey, thanks for the very helpful response unfortunately i seem to have suffered from a bout of stupidity writing that and it's 4.4.4 that i've got on the phone! how does that affect things? also as an aside the sim is unlocked so i can use any sim so at least that's something...
thanks again
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To unlock the bootloader on the ATT XT1058 Moto X, there are only two possible ways..
The China Middleman thread (in the general section), although he only has codes for certain date range of phones (depends on the Assembly Date of your phone), BUT he has recently stopped responding again. There is no telling if/when it will start up again
Sunshine, which doesn't work with 4.4.4. However you can always try it since it wont charge you if it doesn't work. (i.e. it checks your phone, if it will work, if wont, it tells you and exits without charging you).
4.4.4 can't be temp rooted either.
So you are pretty much stuck stock ATT, and then just get it sim unlocked to use it with your carrier.

KidJoe said:
To unlock the bootloader on the ATT XT1058 Moto X, there are only two possible ways..
The China Middleman thread (in the general section), although he only has codes for certain date range of phones (depends on the Assembly Date of your phone), BUT he has recently stopped responding again. There is no telling if/when it will start up again
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thanks for the reply. I guess i'll give the china middleman a try. I'd really like to get rid of the ATT address book, the fact that it perpetually shows as 4g connection and have the phone speak to me in a not american accent!
cheers

the same here
at&t xt1058 with stock android 4.4.4 (ota updated from 4.4.2)
system version 212.44.26.ghost_att.ATT.en.US
build no KXA21.12-L1.26
been using this phone in Europe, Greece with another carriers SIM card
everything ok, except for the LTE bands (in Greece I need bands 3,7,20) and the AT&T bloatware i wanna remove
would like to root, but i'm not able to unlock via motorola's website
let me know if u had any success via the china middleman, or if u find another way
thanks

hardflipman said:
thanks for the reply. I guess i'll give the china middleman a try.
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cxp7 said:
let me know if u had any success via the china middleman, or if u find another way
thanks
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As I said.. the China Middleman has stopped responding again.

KidJoe said:
As I said.. the China Middleman has stopped responding again.
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I'm on Rogers xt1058 (16GB)
Is there any way (assuming I can unlock the BL) to get developer edition ROM?

MadPriest said:
I'm on Rogers xt1058 (16GB)
Is there any way (assuming I can unlock the BL) to get developer edition ROM?
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For the Rogers XT1058, Moto does offer the Bootloader Unlock code for free from their web site -> https://motorola-global-portal.cust...e/bootloader/unlock-your-device-a/action/auth it will void your warranty
The GSM Dev Edtion is the XT1053. It has different radio/modem files, its hardware supports different bands (less LTE bands). I never recommend flashing another model's ROM as we have seen loss of cellular in some cases, where even flashing the original firmware back didn't fix.
Once you unlock your bootloader and root, you can remove and freeze any bloat on the phone (freezing is preferred because the next OTA might require it to be there).

KidJoe said:
Once you unlock your bootloader and root, you can remove and freeze any bloat on the phone (freezing is preferred because the next OTA might require it to be there).
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Thank you for the reply
I'm on 4.4.4, I understand there's no root for me

MadPriest said:
Thank you for the reply
I'm on 4.4.4, I understand there's no root for me
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Only if you can't unlock your boot loader. But as I said, moto does give out the unlock codes on their web site for the Rogers xt1058
Also, without unlocking the boot loader, you can only flash the rom for your phone model and its carrier branding.

I see
Thank you for the answers
I knew the second part, was not sure about the first one.
Sent from my XT1058 using XDA Free mobile app

[Q] I'm lost! the xt 1058 and bootloader

I was just about to buy a xt 1058 sim unlocked, just now i find out people are saying that with the 1058 you cant unlock the bootloader, for the at&t variant?... but the phone is unlocked free for any carrier, so the bootloder cant be unlocked in this phone? please help i need to know this
Sorry my bad english

Correct, the only way at present to unlock the bootloader on the xt1058 is to pay for the Sunshine app, http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/request-help-exploit-moto-x-bl-t2828471 but only if your phone's version is prior to 4.4.4, though it appears it's "possible" it can work with 4.4.4

M973 said:
Correct, the only way at present to unlock the bootloader on the xt1058 is to pay for the Sunshine app, http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/request-help-exploit-moto-x-bl-t2828471 but only if your phone's version is prior to 4.4.4, though it appears it's "possible" it can work with 4.4.4
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Its a Sim unlocked phone (no carrier) but the number is still 1058, im in Latin America, the phone has no logos in the back, i think only the verizion and at&t versions can't be unlocked... but i dont know, so ALL 1058 have the bootloader locked?

I guess if your carrier can provide the unlock code, but I believe not from Motorola

Just check which model you have.
If its an XT1058, its the AT&T model. You can request a sim unlock code from AT&T free of charge directly here: https://www.att.com/deviceunlock/?#/
Otherwise, buy it from ebay for around 10$
Now if you want to unlock the bootloader to flash different firmwares, AT&T phones (XT1058) don't allow that by getting the code from Motorola directly, so you need to use a tool: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/request-help-exploit-moto-x-bl-t2828471
It costs 25$ and it only works on phones that have an android OS lower than 4.4.4 installed!

To expand on what @dagoban said...
SIM Lock/Unlock (aka Carrier unlock) is different from Bootloader Lock/Unlock.
SIM Unlock is usually possible by buying the code from many 3rd party web sites on the internet. And sometimes your carrier will supply the code (you may have to meet carrier requirements) for free or a small fee.
When it comes to Bootloader unlocking, that is only needed if you want to easily root, or the ability to flash a custom recovery (Like TWRP, CWM, Philz) or 3rd party ROM (like CM).
For the Developer Editions Moto X, and some carrier editions (Like T-Mobile, Sprint, Rogers Canada, and others), Motorola freely gives away the BootLoader Unlock codes when requested On Motorola's Web Site. In the case of the Non-Developer Editions, it voids their warranty to request the code.
I'm not going to go into the reasons why, but Moto does NOT give out the bootloader unlock code for the Retail and Moto Maker X for Verizon, ATT, Republic Wireless and a few other carriers. For these you need to rely on someone finding a HACK( Sunshine was mentioned) but this can often times have requirements/restrictions. At one time, someone got a hold of Moto's Bootloader Unlock code database, and was selling codes to Verizon, ATT, etc users who couldn't otherwise unlock their bootloader, but this has since stopped.

Flashing Moto G6 with Verizon firmware

I have an unlocked Moto G6 that I am trying to flash with Verizon firmware. Can anyone point me in the right direction? A google search has shown nothing.

fmj77 said:
I have an unlocked Moto G6 that I am trying to flash with Verizon firmware. Can anyone point me in the right direction? A google search has shown nothing.
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What do you mean by unlocked. There bootloader unlock and sim unlock. Sim unlock just allows you to use another network. Bootloader unlock allows to to flash. Also there is no Verizon firmware to flash because the Verizon model can't be bootloader unlocked which means you can't flash it. Verizon and att are notoriously the worst when it comes to having there phones eligible to be bootloader unlocked

ninjakira said:
What do you mean by unlocked. There bootloader unlock and sim unlock. Sim unlock just allows you to use another network. Bootloader unlock allows to to flash. Also there is no Verizon firmware to flash because the Verizon model can't be bootloader unlocked which means you can't flash it. Verizon and att are notoriously the worst when it comes to having there phones eligible to be bootloader unlocked
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I guess it's SIM unlocked since I can pretty much use it with any carrier by swapping the SIM card. I bought the phone new and unlocked from Republic Wireless and am trying to get it working with full features with Verizon Prepaid. A couple of folks on Reddit mentioned that I could flash the phone with Verizon software in order to get it to work as if I'd bought the G6 from Verizon.